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Well, in my dealings with Archer so
far, he's been pretty straight with me. I received my first products in about 5 weeks' time, If I remember
correctly. The, the second one in 2 weeks. Well, this isn't bad at all considering the fact that I live in the Far
East. He made a mistake of having forgotten to put one of the products I ordered into the package the second time
round. But I'm pretty sure he'd sort me out.
This time, he even threw in some of the bonus products like
Control Her Sexuality. Good stuff.
From myQuote:
Originally Posted by bjf
point of view, DYD is not "entry level" stuff, and that's probably why some people fail miserably. You need either
a strong confidence in your skills or to be willing to take a leap of faith, impervious to common sense.
DeAngelo's "game" is all about humor, so if you're not a funny guy it's really hard to incorporate it, especially
because if you fail, you fail BAD.
It doesn't build a facade, quite the opposite in fact, it frees you from some
bounds.
I'd love to hear your stories too, I'm always open to new ideas :)
Yoel
Good as in you've had hits or good as in interesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Interesting and well-structured.
Good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoel
I think the problems a lot of guys probably have is that they are looking
for the magic "pickup lines" and techniques and that's not what Deangelo is all about.
If you're comming
from the right attitude that allows you to comunicate with a woman's limbic brain (where attraction happens), any
technique will work.
The attitude is that you could care less about the outcome of talking to her. You're
being the one that is selecting her and testing her, instead of the other way around, which is normally the case.
When you say "DeAngelo's "game" is all about humor" that is only partly right. One of the reason the whole
"cocky-funny" thing works is because is because you are being different than 99% of all the other guys that approach
her and tell her how beautiful she is.
Your comment, "It doesn't build a facade, quite the opposite in
fact, it frees you from some bounds" is perfect! We are born with the ability to act the right way around women to
create attraction, but society, religion, our mom, etc knock this stuff out of us. Imagine you trained a male
peacock not to prean his feathers and not to display them around females, he wouldn't be geting
laid!
You're not being forced to be someone you're not, but it does teach you how to be the man you're
supposed to be.
What I actually meant is, humor is essential. As in, you approach the girl and thenQuote:
Originally Posted by phersurf
you don't go wussy, you say something funny instead (and cocky too).
Maybe you could get some results just being
laid back, but that's not DD's game and, even more important, that would be really boring :D
PS: enough with
theory, I want your stories! ;)
Yoel
I've been a little too busy at work today to post them, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoel
Here's a quick
one.
I met a girl at a friends party (his girlfreinds cousin) a hot blond nurse from the South Bay. I hit her
with a little C&F. I wasn't even original, I stole directly from Deangelo, "nice shoes, what are you about 4'2"
without those?" and more like it. I had her saying all the right things, "You're horrible!" and "I can't believe
you said that" all while smiling and playfully hitting me on the arm.I got her email address and several days later
I emailed her and didn't hear back. Her cousin told me she never got it or delted it thinking it was junk. So I
sent her another one and busted her balls for deleting it. I said something like, "You're blowing your chances with
me and we haven't even gone out yet".
And believe me, this is 180 degrees from the what I thought was
supposed to work with women.
I get an email back pretty quickly saying she wants to meet for coffee and
"more".
There was a little more to it but that's the jist.
That's all interesting stuff. Now
please don't take this next question as me being sarcastic, I'm serious, do you ever feel stupid repeating his
material? I would, knowing something was scripted. On the other hand, I doubt I'm funny enough to come up with
good material on my own. It sounds like he has good stuff that would work, I just couldn't make that stuff up
myself.
Another thing: Do you feel wierd being cocky and perhaps a little rude to someone you just met?
Maybe that is what helps it work; the audacity or whatever. But there's so many take-no-crap women where I live
that I'm not sure it would go over to well. Actually, polite, confident, relaxed and smart works pretty well
believe it or not, although it doesn't bring on the sexual tension like I would imagine David DeAngelo's
techniques might invoke.
Oh, and another thing, do you make these quips with a serious face or in a joking
manner (smiling)? I'm not really the type who wants to cut down someone sarcastically just to show them what balls
I have.
this was from an old david d email:
Cocky & Funny Categories
Dear David,
using the C & F techniques, and analysing them, I have discovered
that there several classes or categories of c & f :
1) When you are cockyandfunniing about you. You are
saying that you are the best, or you are very sexy,
clever, etc in a funny way. i.e.Me:"You know, I'm
really tired of you women treating me like some
kind of piece of meat. I have feelings too, and I don't
just like being thought of as a sex object."
2) When you cockyandfunniing about her. You are saying
that she is wussy, nerd, ridiculous, etc in a funny
way. i.e. "Hey, I can borrow you a wig, but please,
don't kill it's roots !!3) When you cockyandfunniing about other person, an object, a place, etc. i.e. Me:"You know, if that chick lost
about 200 pounds, I think I'd be into her"
4) when you are inverting(in a funny way) the stereotypes
and asummes than girl must date boy, girl must
approach boy, etc i.e: SHE:"Are you from around here?"ME: "What, are you trying to
pick me up? I'm not that easy."There are other cocky & funny categories, and some
categories mix each others, but these are the more
important (I think). I think that the #2 & #4 are
the more powerful and efective categories. I'm going
to tell you, in wich case I use them (If the Maestro
agree with me )
1. C & F about me.It's useful, but you can't use it too mutch, it's more
useful If you are a not a cute boy, if you are awful,(bald,
overheight, etc). You have to use it with care, if not you are
becaming too cocky. 2. c & f about
her.It's very useful,(especially on hotties and average
women), and it's very powerful, but I discover that
if she has low selfsteem she may get upset (but she
will get atracted too). 3. c & f about other things.This is the more secure c &
f mode, but it is generates less atraction than others.
4. c & f inverting stereotipes
It's very funny and it's very powerful, and easy to
see.
>>>MY COMMENTS: This is a great little set of categories,
and it's a great place to start if you're trying to come up
with funny and charming things to day for different
situations.I've
included it so others can use it as a guide whenworking on their
own situations... very nice, and thanks!
bjf:
You can't possibly feel
stupid, this is not NLP or speedseduction, you don't have a script (and in those cases Ibelieve it really sounds
weird).
DD doesn't give you the words, he teaches you the concept behind them. Well, sometimes you get examples
(like in the newsletters), but that's about it.
The problem with his system is, if you are not a funny guy, you
must learn. To this extent, he suggests some books (one of which is Comedy Writing Secrets by Melvin
Helitzer) and much brainstorming. Sit, think of the situations you may be in, of what you could see, of what she
could say, and then come up with funny remarks. You have to practice a lot, it will come natural someday.
"Take-no-crap" women, as you call them, should relax and enjoy life a bit more. If they don't, well, it's their
problem and I don't want to get sucked in.
David suggests delivering the jokes with a serious face, like you
see in comedy. I usually add a sly smile just to be sure, but I should really try the first method sometime.
Yoel
I think you're still thinking about this from the standpoint of reciting pickupQuote:
Originally Posted by bjf
lines or paterns. But with Deangelo (and KEanu Jager's Nonverbal Sexual Cuing) it has very little to do with the
words you're saying, it's all about the mindset and playful, relaxed, confident attitude you're saying them from.
I don't feel stupid repeating other peoples words because they're comming from me with my own attitude and
body language (communication is 93% nonverbal!). In addition, with every approach you have to think about it from
the position "I don't care about the outcome, I'm just going to have fun! And this is going to be a learning
experience". So, right now I may be using Deangelo's, but as I get more comfortable I will use my
own.
Another thing to remember is that every woman has a part of her brain (even take-no-crap women) that is
older than the rational thinking brain (men too) that has an image of what will she find attractive in man. IN women
this is much less visual than in men. If you can talk directly to this part of the brain, it doesn't matter what
her public persona is! Women do stuff all the time to talk directly to this same part of a man's brain. Why do you
think they wear makeup to accentuate their lips, make their eyes look bigger, show off their cleavage,
etc?
Do you think women say stuff to each other like, "do you ever feel stupid putting makeup on and wearing
the same kind of cloths just like everyone in Cosmo?"
Good points. Okay, well Yoel
elaborated on the slight smirks when making these jokes. Wondering what your position is.
By the way, nice
haircut, superman. :)
RE the reading from a script
issue: As I have said the before, the best way to use these pick-up guides is to read them, understand the
principles, and forget it. Then apply the principles to who you already are, thus giving you your personalised C&F
(only one example) edge.
Yea, but the problem is I am not
funny myself. So the guidelines don't mean anything.
Nice flag, btw. Did you design that yourself?
I hate quoting myself (ok, maybe I don't, so what :D),Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoel
but hey, if you aren't funny, work on it. There's no magic pill you can swallow to wake up and go Letterman
about.
Yoel
that right there isQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoel
c&f, it's not hard if you start practicing it. it's alot easier to do than nlp patterns.
Thanks for noticing, I'm glad you
liked it. (<-tip: here it's serious, but try it when she whines about something :D)
Yoel
i love it when they whine, they
just set themselves up for an onslaught of c&f.
bjf a good example of somebody who's c&f and does it in real
life is carson for queer eye from the straight guy.
"one word for that dress horrendo" i love that one, i use it
all the time. i take his material all the time.
Women are constantly testingQuote:
Originally Posted by TRock
men. From the first time you see them, if you break eye contact first you just failed the first test, to being in a
releationship and whining, and how you deal with it.
They don't do this consciously (usually). It's their
genetically programed brains constantly trying to disqualify you as a good provider or good source of genetic
material to bear healthy offspring. No matter how much you think we're in controll of these things, 6,000 years of
civilization wil not overide millions of years of evolution.
I'd say that's just plain rude jerkiness, but maybe I'm missing a parody or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by TRock
like that, not being from the usa. I mean, you're saying hideous in portuguese, is that even a joke? [edit: a quick
note, I could be more offended by that because I actually understand portuguese]
Yoel
PS: phersurf
you've got a pm :)
i didn't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoel
horrendo was a real word. the real word is horrendous, by making it a fake word and overdoing body language and
facial gestures she know's you're not serious.
Save your money and watch a
few episodes of Sex in The City or Desperate Housewives and you will learn all you need to know. I don't know if
anyone is doing it now but I found the training Seminars on NLP by Groff to be extremely helpful in the
80's.
The NLP and Holiotrophic Breathwork training siminars were far more valuable than self study or written
materials.
Elk
Well that's about as real as mine :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TRock
And I
haven't ever seen the guy, but I guess he's using the portuguese one, since that would be quite queer (no offense
here, ever listened to a fashion designer?).
Yoel
back to the original topic, so is
anybody trying out the archer sloan products and having success?
GREAT show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elk Dreamer
Pheromone CD - yes. I don't believe it, but yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TRock
When DeAngelo says "When a girl
calls herself fat, agree with her. Most guys go 'No no your not fat your perfect'. This is wrong" Is this true?
Does it make her more attracted to you?
when u lie to her you supplicate
to her. i wouldn't say "yes" more along the lines of "yeah you're morbidly obese" or "didn't i tell you to lay
off those big mac"
I was gonna say like "hey, more
coushin for the pushin"
That would be you trying to please
her and yet offending her...while in TRock's examples he's so rude she'll never think he's serious. Or is he?
;)
Yoel