~ The Great Virgin Test ~ ver. 1.0

I am 37, she is 20 and a virgin. 100% sure about this, not fat or ugly or really that strange, somewhat a nerd and a Nebraskan. Forget all the judgmental crap and help me out with what would be the best \"Phero Brew\" to use on her ?
I have about 20 days till D-day. I have met her once and later in an e-mail she ask me what colon I was wearing. It was only a small amount of cheap stuff I got in Mexico ( non Phero ). This time I will have 3 days with her and I really do not know what to use. SOE , PI, or some mix ??? Any ideas ?

Well, we\'re not even sure if pheros work well on virgins, Ghostclown.

I\'m still a newbie at this whole pheromone thing but I would say it should be something not too strong or it will scare her.

First thing I\'d suggest -- STOP WEARING A COLON!

Maybe they put up with that crap in Mexico, but in the US of A, ghostclown, women do not like this! Duh!

Nor am I convinced, yet, that pheros work FOR virgins.

Yeah, for sure. Some people are worried about smelling like a bit of cat piss and this guy wears a colon when he goes out. lol.

As for the virgin thing. I spend a lot of time with a whole bunch of 17-18 year olds. Now, I can\'t certify that they are all virgins, but going by statistcs in my part of the world and other things, it is probably safe to say that most of them are virgins. I definitely get hits from some of them. But, this is obviously inconclusive, since maybe the ones I am getting hits from are experienced. It\'s beyond me to guess who is experienced and who isn\'t for the most part.

I\'m with MM, my g/f is (or was!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] ) a virgin.

You\'re killin me doc ! ! !
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Tough question, Ghostclown. What does your wife think?

Maybe she\'ll join in this time around! LOL

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lol

Why shouldn\'t pheros work on virgins? They still have a VNO...

Well, this is what I think: because they are still virgins, they probably never had a large amount of those certain \"love-substances\" in their bodies (chemicals, hormones, whatever) in a short time, normally causing people to get extremely horny etc. Probably because they\'re not familiar with such reactions of their own bodies, they feel embarrased or uneasy, causing them to run away rather than approaching other people. People who are familiar with sex and all the associated feelings can cope with the attraction induced by pheros a lot better, me thinks.

And I read that -none, -nol and -rone do not stimulate the VNO, unlike A1. Any confirmation on this?

they dont?????any info on this you guys??Im about to place my order and this statement frankly has me a little worried....

This is just speculation. I\'m just assuming that IF it\'s more difficult to attract virgins, that it might be because of the reason I gave, but personally, It thinks it\'s equally \'easy\' to attract virgins as \'non-virgins\' with pheros. After the initial attraction, it\'s all up to you, then you have nothing but your personality to help you. Perhaps that\'s where it\'s a little more difficult with virgins...

Maybe some of us could gather some data to help settle this question. I could take one or two of the 17-year olds that I get hits from, and ask them whether they are virgins or not. Of course I might have to \"disguise\" the question a bit somehow, telling them I\'m doing research on whether a virgin can be detected just from smell, looks, or manner. Anyone else willing to gather some data? I\'ve got one in mind that started rubbing her tits on me the first day she walked into my classroom. I was using only Andro 4.2 at that time. She\'d be a good one to ask since that was definitely a sexual hit.

\'\'one in mind that started rubbing her tits on me \'\'


Ya, that`s it, sacrify yourself to science ;-).

You can tell a virgin because she\'ll be the one with the unicorn following her.

I\'m speculating, but I think that oxytocin primes the female for a response to \'none.

Oxytocin is released in the stretching of the vagina in sex or in childbirth. Non-virgins would then have had at least one exposure to \'none from a male while their vagina was being stretched and oxytocin released.

Of course, a virgin female can still be attracted to a male via pheromones but the oxytocin conditioning from penetration would make her subsequently more receptive/proceptive.

I bet JV Kohl would agree.

Well, then for the sake of argument, I\'ll speculate on the other side. I don\'t think having her vagina stretched has anything whatsoever to do with it. She can produce oxytocin without any penetration. Virgins aren\'t any different than women who\'ve had sex except that they haven\'t been penetrated **with a penis**. Of course they can detect pheromones and of course they get aroused and you bet they have orgasms, and maybe (likely) even orgasms with penetration - just not by a penis.

Hmmm, very interesting really. I\'m telling you people, we\'re discussing complex matters here. Good, let\'s hear some more theories!

http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/

type \"oxytocin\" into any search engine

has nothing to do with her vagina, stretched or not stretched

no disrespect intended to Whitehall\'s magic wand

Bwahahahaha! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Thanks! This is definitely some good reading!

re your oxytocin link:

What are you trying to do, get me in trouble? My corporate firewall thinks that this is some sort of porn site and informed me that it was taking names of employees who tried to access it.

My response will have to wait until tonight.

Ok.

Here\'s another link for general edification purposes while you\'re composing yourself.

http://thewebhouse.net/article7.html

Since you can boost oxytocin levels from eating chocolate, and they go up high when you\'re having an orgasm, it seems pretty clear (to me, at least) that vaginal stretching has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

I don\'t understand why y\'all think virgins are different in their reactions to men than non-virgins. Are you different in your reactions to females now that you\'ve had sex? Weren\'t you aroused by women way before you ever got your first piece? Masturbating way before you ever did the deed? Women aren\'t any different.

Thanks, FTR... Be sure to include all of this in your book, and I have recently decided to buy at least two (2) copies.

Gee, I wish I would have learned this much in school...

Funlover

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I don\'t understand why y\'all think virgins are different in their reactions to men than non-virgins. Are you different in your reactions to females now that you\'ve had sex? Weren\'t you aroused by women way before you ever got your first piece? Masturbating way before you ever did the deed? Women aren\'t any different.

<hr></blockquote>There is at least one theory going around that part of a female\'s response to male pheros is conditioned by the presence of male odors while she is having sexual pleasure. The theory would hold that a virgin doesn\'t have the same level and frequency of exposure to male scent as a female who is more sexually active. This obviously has some holes, depending on how \"technical\" her categorization as virgin is - in other words, how much sexual play she\'s engaged in with males while remaining unpenetrated. But on the face of it, it seems to make sense.