Does anyone know definitively of the concentration (either IU or mg/ml) of oxytocin in liquid
trust??
I wonder if they use synthetic (>95% purity) or enzymatically-producted oxytocin..
Can someone shed
some light on the subject please?
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Does anyone know definitively of the concentration (either IU or mg/ml) of oxytocin in liquid
trust??
I wonder if they use synthetic (>95% purity) or enzymatically-producted oxytocin..
Can someone shed
some light on the subject please?
I would say it cant be much
if you look at the following
link:
http://www.prospec.co.il/~prospec/cart/customer/search.php?substring=oxyt&source=GoogleA
d&agent_camp=8238001&agent_bann=8241001
Our price: $ 50.00 /5 mg of Human Oxytin and with
the price were giving it can't be high.. But as many other "pheroes" (I dont know if I can call oxytin a phero)
small amounts is needed else it will cause terrible results like OD'in..
And if you read further down:
Lyophilized Oxytocin although stable at room temperature for 3 weeks, should be stored desiccated below -18 C.
Upon reconstitution Oxytocin should be stored at 4 C between 2-7 days and for future use below -18 C. For long term
storage it is recommended to add a carrier protein (0.1% HSA or BSA).
Does this mean that our LT only
lasts 3 weeks in room temperature? And if we wanna keep it more than 3 weeks it should be used after that it should
be stored between 4 and -18 degree Celcius?
Wow.. thanks
for that link! we had done some with with oxytocin and got it from Sigma-Aldrich for $138 / 5mg..
RE: storage
temp: this is the storage temp if it's stored as a powder. If it's dissolved in a solution (I.E. liquid trust)
then this is no longer applicable.
I still need to know of the concentration of oxytocin in LT.. anyone??
Read this interview with one of the
dudes from vero labs , he states the concentration is a "trade secret"
http://kuchinskas.typepad.com/hug_th...iew_with_.html
My guess is that the concentration is
"homeopathic".
In other words, almost no oxytocin at all.
But will the oxytin still "live/survive" room temperature after a month in this "heat"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid
(HEC)
wow thats really intresting! so do you think LT will last pretty long, if i just left it in myQuote:
Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid
(HEC)
car for a while?
oh and , what else are you brewing up right now? btw
As many people report major success with certainQuote:
oh and
, what else are you brewing up right now? btw
combinations, the current school of thought is to fuse such combinations together into one convenient package..(I.e.
AQ + LT)
BTW slick... AQ is totally different from Chikara - different formula, different manufacturer,
etc..
**Does anyone know how to quantify the concentration of a peptide-complex?? *scratches head*
if i may sugest something, do
you think you can you can brew something up thats sorta like a combanation of AE + masters.
its just a
suggestion and it dosn't really matter if you make it or not as i do my own mixing with it. but i just like to say
that, its a really good mix. i think thats just what im going to buy from now on, as i havn't found anything else
thats better then this (i'll also buy NPA of course) and the last couple of things i brough hasn't really worked
for me.
here is the break down of the stuff i have tried.
ae, masters, NPA= love them
chikara = its
alright makes me feel like a smart ass and i like to teach people stuff when i wear it
KZI testing kit = fave
one was the 5:1 as i got some decent results with it so i migh try that alpha 7 down the road.
lucky 7 chem set
= awsome as i can make anything with it, i ended up makeing my own ae (2:1.5:1) with a dash of other mones like A1
and estra. but i had to order the real ae and other stuff as my lid for the nol broke because it was on too tight
and now i got no more nol.
wagg and soe= did what it was suppose to do, but their vibes and my personality
didn't match that much.
LT + TE = still messing around with it, i see some potential but still havn't found
the right dose.
NOTE THAT
i'VE STARTED A NEW THREAD FOR NEW PRODUCT SUGGESTIONS.. Please post all suggestions in this thread!
Slick: do you
think that you or others would be interested in some free reagent-grade-solution mones, to facilitate any
development of new formulas to which you could report? (I.e. 25ml of nol Vs. 5ml chem-set?) - this would probably
require a NDA...
EDIT: So, in a nutshell those who qualify could be sent a free "development-kit,"
directly from love-scent with Bruce's approval..
This would include:
- NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT
-
25ml of each of the mones
- 50ml of SDA40B ethanol
- 100ml of propylene glycol
- Test tubes / Vials
- Mixing
bottles
- Pipettes / extraction bulbs
- Designer cologne oils
- Small notepad to record results
P.S. This
isn't stamped and approved yet.. Awaiting Bruce's authorization :thumbsup:
P.S.S. It might even be structured
so that a small deposit might be paid to love-scent initially, which could be refunded upon return-receipt of the
notepad..
sure, i would love to help,
and i have alot of experiance working with mones now.
if you want to send me the contract after i give you my
email (which will be around friday as i got to go througe my old acount still) i'll look over that stuff and see
where it goes from there.
edit* oh yeah, also, if you can sum up how to use the ethonal and mones in like a
little paragraph it would be great (use examples if you can cause i can comprehand things better with examples) as
to tell you the truth, i dont have any experiance doing that.
hey HEC you didn't
answer
But will the oxytin still "live/survive" room temperature after a month in this "heat"?
:blink:
This is
because I don't want to ny LT goes to waste.. Im here talking about my LT where its liquid..
To be totally
honest I believe the effect of liquid trust is due to the placebo effect.. Oxytocin has really only been shown to be
active when it is directly inhaled nasally as a spray (and is a prescription only drug when used as such).. It's a
very large, conglomerate molecule and so it would be very difficult to get it into the air as a vapor..
Does it
actually work as marketed? I find it hard to believe.
But as far as stability: Yes, high temps should be
avoided, as the protiens in peptide-complexes (I.e. oxytocin) often denature at higher temperatures..
I should think that Vero Labs would have incorporated some sort of preservative to hinder this, but it seems not...
So in a nutshell avoid high temperatures and direct sunlight exposure.
de·na·ture
(dē-nā'chər)
http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/pron.gif
tr.v., -tured, -tur·ing,
-tures.
- Biochemistry.
- To cause the tertiary structure of (a protein) to unfold, as
with heat, alkali, or acid, so that some of its original properties, especially its biological activity, are
diminished or eliminated.
To preserve maximum stability, I would recommend storage in a household
freezer (the formula contains alcohol, so it won't freeze to ice). Don't leave it in your car's glovebox for very
long and expect it to still be active (if it even is at all from the get-go).
Oxytocin is not a protein. It is a peptide made of only 9 amino acids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid
(HEC)
It has no tertiary structure.
I think HEC meantQuote:
Originally Posted by xvs
the proteins in the peptide..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid (HEC)
ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
Gentlemen,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mungojerry
Having been acused on several occassions of getting "too technical," I
suspect we may be pressing the upper limits of technicalities here, but also wanted to add:
From Wikpedia:
(because even I had to check my assumptions)
"a peptide is an amino acid molecule without secondary structure; on
gaining defined structure, it is a protein." Thus the same molecule can be either a peptide or a protein depending
on its environment, though there are peptides that cannot be
proteins."
JVK
Either get digested in the human
gut. That allows us to enjoy a big steak but means we can't take oxytocin orally.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitehall
Thus, the intranasal route, which takes us back to the question of concentration of oxytocin in the product. If
the product was developed in accord with human studies, shouldn't the concentration be obvious--whatever
concentration was used in the human studies, for example?
JVK
this product has done jack for
me, as hec mentioned, i believe the only benefit is a placebo effect
great atomizer though
my buddy
left his full bottle of Liquid Trust in his car on a hot day, lid tightly closed yet the whole contents evaporated,
the stuff is as close to full alcohol as i can imagine, i have issues with NPA and evaporation, but this LT is
ridicules
jv, the marketing and packaging of LT is very well thought out, i agree, very slick...
I guess the
million-dollar question here is: would you consumers like to see oxytocin added to products such as our , or
by JVK with his SOE?
Vote please! Yay or Nay.. Include supporting comments if possible..
I would say no..!
If I want
the LT, I'll buy on the side and add it myself.. Then I can get my right ratio also..
But I'm also not sure if it
works as I want and then if LT is added to other products these would be more expencive and I wouldn't wanna pay
more for that..
Also because some people may not want the LT mixed with their SOE, and if you want that you can
just buy the LT and mix yourself..
And if the results is LT should be mixed then I would say if we can't have the
"old" products and the "new"..
Hereby I mean:
"old" : SOE
"new" : SOE + LT
Because then we can those ourselfes
what we want..
Also because many people are having lots of succes with the products as they are now so we have to
keep them also even if it's decided that LT should be mixed with other products..
Don't trust Wikipedia too much. What we'reQuote:
Originally Posted by jvkohl
talking about here are polypeptides, not peptides. A peptide is a single amino acid residue (the amino acid as it is
once it's part of a chain), and a polypetide is two or more amino acids linked together.
Oxytocin is a
9-unit polypeptide.
All proteins are polypeptides, but the primary distinguishing factor between
polypeptides and proteins is whether they have tertiary structure, and this is determined mainly by the number of
peptides. The smallest human proteins which have been identified are about 45 peptides in length.
Proteins
have three structures:
- primary, which is the sequence of peptides (amino acids) in the chain.
-
secondary, which is the linkage between peptides in one part of the chain with peptides in the other part of the
chain (usually through the same hydrogen bonds that keep water liquid at room temperature).
- tertiary, which is
the complete structure of a protein, including all the folding (beta sheets, alpha helixes, etc.)
Oxytocin is
only 9 units long. This is too short to have ANY tertiary structure. So oxytocin is NOT a protein.
But it
does have a secondary structure, as can be seen in this paper:
secondary structure of part of
oxytocin. The dotted lines are hydrogen bonds.
xvs,Quote:
Originally Posted by xvs
Someday soon we should speak on the phone. I know
that Wikipedia is not the ultimate source, but it's a reasonably good source for info that's easier to understand
than most--especially textbooks.
My primary interest is in the decapeptide hormone: gonadotropin releasing
hormone, which oddly enough has a 9-unit version of its mammalian counterpart in yeast, which is non other that the
alpha mating pheromone of "brewer's" yeast. I think that hormones are considered proteins, but could be wrong--and
also that their receptors are proteins, but could be wrong. We may just be running into definitions that don't help
researchers communicate well across different disciplines. Also, a fraction of the GnRH decapeptide appears to
function directly as a neurotransmitter: a hormone? a protein?
JVK
Very little response from LT
if any.
Maybe one "trancy" session but get a similar feeling with light spanking (so endorphin flow
feeling).
Will be trying other new stuff and probably not reorder LT.
SOE seems to create enough trust.
JVK: I'm
curious.. What is the purity (assay) of the alpha-androstenol you use in SOE?? (>98%)??