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innocent lives lost in Spain, and these terrorists think they are any closer to achieving their cause?
What cause?
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an independant basque-land I guess.
oh
What do they call themselves? Basquets? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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an independant basque-land I guess.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> and many of them don´t even care about that. Those terrorists are just
dumber than a person should be allowed to be if they think they will achieve getting an independant state by bombing
people!!!
The basque party are against those actions too (allegedly).
these terrorists are too braindead for their
own good IMO. Besides I have some doubts that a basque country or state will be able to survive on its own
economically in the long run.
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Besides I have some doubts that a basque country
or state will be able to survive on its own economically in the long run.
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The Basque Country has traditionally been one of the most industrialized and rich parts of
Spain. I think that has been one of the reasons that wanted to be independant. Another one is that they have their
own language etc.
What is it with you Europeans and your languages.
The Basques don\'t wanna speak spanish.
The Ukranians wanna
speak ukranian.
The Estonians don\'t wanna speak russian.
etc,etc,etc.
Why don\'t you just speak english
already and get it over with. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I
think everyone should learn german that´ll really cause some mega confusion
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The Basque Country has traditionally been one of
the most industrialized and rich parts of Spain. I think that has been one of the reasons that wanted to be
independant. Another one is that they have their own language etc.
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I´m not too familiar with them so thanks. However they´re not that successful all on their own, they have the rest
of spain as backup in some way. They just piss me off with their cowardish killings!!!
Having said that it is
atill not 100% certain whether the bomb attack was theirs or whether it was another groups of psychos.
DUBAI (Reuters) - A letter
purporting to come from Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)\'s al Qaeda network claimed responsibility for the
train bombings in Spain on Thursday, calling them strikes against \"crusaders,\" a London-based Arabic newspaper
said.
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DUBAI (Reuters) - A letter purporting to come from
Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)\'s al Qaeda network claimed responsibility for the train bombings in Spain on
Thursday, calling them strikes against \"crusaders,\" a London-based Arabic newspaper said.
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yup, there were way too many victims for a \"normal\" ETA (basque
terrorists) attack. This could very well be the work of those Al Qaida morons..
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DUBAI (Reuters) - A letter purporting to come from Osama bin Laden (news -
web sites)\'s al Qaeda network claimed responsibility for the train bombings in Spain on Thursday, calling them
strikes against \"crusaders,\" a London-based Arabic newspaper said.
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yup, there were way too many victims for a \"normal\" ETA (basque terrorists) attack. This
could very well be the work of those Al Qaida morons..
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I got into
a huge fight with my co-worker about this when the news broke about the bombing. He was mad at me for saying it was
probably Al Qaeda. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
I know, I watched BBC this
morning and they already said they didn´t know it was ETA or not. Seeing as Spain support(ed) the USA about Iraq,
Al Qaida is a distinct possibility.
ETA are also more `polite´ they phone or write first these people didn´t.
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I got into a huge fight with my co-worker about
this when the news broke about the bombing. He was mad at me for saying it was probably Al Qaeda
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You co-worker has sh!t between his ears.
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YOU WORK!?!? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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I got into a huge fight with my co-worker about this when the news broke
about the bombing. He was mad at me for saying it was probably Al Qaeda
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You co-worker has sh!t between his ears.
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YOU WORK!?!? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Kind of.....a few hours a day
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Your co-worker has sh!t between his ears.
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Yeah, he was mad that I blame all terror on those poor lil Islamic
extremists. HA!
When they stop blowing people up, I will stop accusing them.
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YOU WORK!?!?
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You
didn\'t know?? I thought you were almost as
well informed about Elana as I am..
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YOU WORK!?!? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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You didn\'t know?? I thought you were almost as good informed about
Elana as me.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Porn.....I like to keep it quiet
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Your co-worker has sh!t between his ears.
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Yeah, he was mad that I blame all terror on those poor lil Islamic extremists. HA!
When
they stop blowing people up, I will stop accusing them.
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This is
a typical Al Qaeda style bombing. On tv here they said things in this direction as well. Don\'t forget Spain has a
lot of troops in Iraq at the moment.
Masacre is the word used
on spanish yahoo btw. And right on too. About 200 dead and around 1.421 infured so far after a series of bomb
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Masacre is the word used on spanish yahoo btw. And
right on too. About 200 dead and around 1.421 infured so far after a series of bomb attacks.
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The pictures are heart breaking [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
This stuff will never go
away, unless some sort of concessions are made, no matter who we bomb.
Innocent people are dying in the
crossfire.
I\'m actually more
pissed at the people who immedietely started blaming the Basques, particularly some Pedro Gonzales idiot of a
politician who said something to the extent of having no doubt in his mind that the ETA is responsible. Good for
your elections and good as an excuse to level the basque areas, but from the beginning everything suggested the
opposite.
They want their own land, they\'re not idiotic enough to do something like this (which would of
course never get them anywhere). Plus ETA always strikes purposefuly, they blow up police stations and military
objects, no big TV show with flashy wrecks and weeping relatives.
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This stuff will never go away, unless some sort of
concessions are made, no matter who we bomb.
Innocent people are dying in the crossfire.
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Concessions won\'t make any difference. Innocent people were dying
before we started hunting Al Qaeda. Like any other extortionist, they\'ll be back demanding more and bigger
concessions the next time.
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Plus ETA always strikes purposefuly, they blow up
police stations and military objects, no big TV show with flashy wrecks and weeping relatives.
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Yeah, but is also known that ETA has had problems recruiting new
terrorists, getting new supporters etc. This could have been a former/extreme part of ETA that was not happy with
what was happening and decided to do this..
Truth is that this has
happened to the IRA in the past with splinter groups going on a rampage.
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This stuff
will never go away, unless some sort of concessions are made, no matter who we bomb.
Innocent people are dying in
the crossfire.
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Concessions won\'t make any difference.
Innocent people were dying before we started hunting Al Qaeda. Like any other extortionist, they\'ll be back
demanding more and bigger concessions the next time.
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My whole
point is, trying to hunt Al Qaeda will not stop things like happening from this. Also, I wouldn\'t consider
hunting them a concession.
Ideals are impractical. You can\'t root out everyone who is angry at you. And all
it takes is one angry person to do a lot of harm. There needs to be more appeasement with the Muslim world.
I\'ll agree that
we need to leave the muslim world to run itself, stop interfering with their way of life and government. Appeasement
is not and never will be acceptable though. Hunting them is not a concession. Simply put, there is only one way to
handle somebody who attacks you and appeasement is not it. We do not belong over there trying to tell them how to
live but they have no right to take innocent lives in any act of terrorism. Attacking innocent people, no matter who
does it, is always wrong and cannot be tolerated.
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Simply put, there is only one way to handle
somebody who attacks you and appeasement is not it.
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Well,
muslims and muslim extremists are two different parties. I agree that it isa dangerous message to send if we just
concede everything and give them what they want, but I am just saying give them enough to where the anger isn\'t
so great.
I\'m not willing to be a sacrificial lamb in the ideal of don\'t bargain with terrorists.
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Simply put, there is only one way to handle somebody who attacks you and
appeasement is not it.
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Well, muslims and muslim extremists are
two different parties. I agree that it isa dangerous message to send if we just concede everything and give them
what they want, but I am just saying give them enough to where the anger isn\'t so great.
I\'m not willing
to be a sacrificial lamb in the ideal of don\'t bargain with terrorists.
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I am unwilling to give an inch to terrorists. Their actions are extortion and as I said before,
any concession will result in greater demands. An act of terrorism shows the person is not rational and is is
unlikely to be willing to meet you half way. Look at other similar groups and tell me one that has been willing to
honestly compromise and stop the killing. Becoming a sacraficial lamb does not appeal to me either but I\'d rather
go out fighting for my beliefs now than to pay the piper time and again before he decides to blow me up.
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This stuff will never go away, unless some sort of
concessions are made, no matter who we bomb.
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Nonsense.
There\'s only one way to deal with terrorism.
With swift and blinding violence!
EXIT FOR PRESIDENT!
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Simply
put, there is only one way to handle somebody who attacks you and appeasement is not it.
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Well, muslims and muslim extremists are two different parties. I agree
that it isa dangerous message to send if we just concede everything and give them what they want, but I am just
saying give them enough to where the anger isn\'t so great.
I\'m not willing to be a sacrificial lamb in
the ideal of don\'t bargain with terrorists.
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bjf
Your
replies to this thread really got my blood up! I\'ll try to be kind. You need to stop listening to NPR. Try
reading some books on the subject. Start with \"Tea with Terrorists\". Elana can give you some more titles. Stop
listening to left wing appeasement propaganda and find out who your enemy is and why he wants YOU dead. Here\'s
the long and the short of it. Do you believe in allah? Did you bend your knee to him in submission today? If you
didn\'t and aren\'t willing to then osama, taking his instructions from the Koran and the Hadif, wants you dead.
Below is a post I made to another Forum a few months back.
islam means \"submission\". Contrary to the swill
being feed to us by the media and our politicians, islam is NOT a religion of Peace. There are two books that are
the \"Hand books\" of islam. The koran, which most have heard of, and the Hadif, which most have not heard of.
Neither books have any reference to \"Peace\" in them at all. Both books expound the teachings of mohamed the
\"profit\", who, by all accounts, was a rather creepy little deformed white guy with a goitered neck who hated
Jews. According to these books, islam means \"submission, by sword, to the will of allah !! Submit to Allah or
die!!!!
According to mohamed and the \"books\" of islam there are two worlds! Dar el islam and Dar el Harb. Dar
el islam is the world belonging to islam and allah. Dar el Harb is everything else. According to allah, mohamed and
his books, everything which is not islam, i.e.. Dar el Harb, must die. Submit to allah and islam or die is the only
message in the books of islam. The Hadif is the handbook on how to make the world of Dar el Harb submit to allah and
islam. The Hadif is the book that osama bin laden and the \"True\" believers read and adhere to. The Hadif is
about 600 pages long and gets into great detail about how to convert, by the sword, Dar el Harb into Dar el islam.
Lie, cheat, steal and murder are it\'s main means of conversion.
The message of allah, mohamed and islam is
simple. You are either part of islam or you must die!!! It doesn\'t matter if you\'re a Christian or a Jew or a
Buddhist or an Aitheist; an American, a Frenchmen or if you\'re Chinese; if you\'re not islam and refuse to
\"submit\" to islam then you need to die. This is according to allah\'s \"Will\". The world of islam breaks
down into two groups. Good islamists and bad islamists. The bad islamist don\'t read and adhere to the book. The
good islamist do read and adhere to the book. It\'s kinda like nazi Germany. You had good nazi\'s and bad
nazi\'s. The good nazi\'s bought into the lies and took part in the murders. The bad nazi\'s were swept along
keeping their mouths shut lest they get sent to the camps as well.
I am not optimistic about the future. As long
as we have this \"head up the ass, politically correct\" , \"Can\'t we all just get along\" attitude toward
islam, we\'re F*CKED!!!!!
In the words of a rather infamous Brother. \"The time has come for each and every
one of you to decide. Brothers and Sisters, take 5 seconds to decide weather you want to be part of the problem or
part of the solution. 5 seconds is all you need.\"
Read some books bjf and take your 5 seconds!
Peace out
Bro.
Macky, can you name that Brother?
What can I say? It all
sounds good on paper, but when your sister was blocks from the WTC, your brother and law is with cantor fitzgerald,
your boss is in the wtc, your co-workers know a highjacker, and everyone you know knew people who had to jump to
their death or were blown to bits, ideals get thrown out the window.
You can\'t just squash out every crazy
person like ants, you have to address the issue that they are so angry about. If this doesn\'t happen, then
myself, my family, my friends, my coworkers and my neighbors could just get blown up in the middle of reading the
morning paper.
I think some of their angers are probably legitimate and it is time to make some concessions, even
if we do not agree, because whatever we are protecting is not worth more than the lives of the people who have
already died.
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DUBAI (Reuters) - A letter purporting to come from Osama bin Laden (news -
web sites)\'s al Qaeda network claimed responsibility for the train bombings in Spain on Thursday, calling them
strikes against \"crusaders,\" a London-based Arabic newspaper said.
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class=\"post\">
Osama hashad very serious kidney disease. He has needed regular dialysis. Some of the Eastern
and Middle-Eastern papers are saying that he died months ago. Some people think we are keeping him \"alive\" to
have a rationale for some of our activities.
And I saw Elvis at
Dunkin Donuts.
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DUBAI (Reuters) - A letter purporting to come from Osama bin Laden (news -
web sites)\'s al Qaeda network claimed responsibility for the train bombings in Spain on Thursday, calling them
strikes against \"crusaders,\" a London-based Arabic newspaper said.
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class=\"post\">
Osama hashad very serious kidney disease. He has needed regular dialysis. Some of the Eastern
and Middle-Eastern papers are saying that he died months ago. Some people think we are keeping him \"alive\" to
have a rationale for some of our activities.
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Even if he would be
dead. There is still plenty of reason to hunt those Al Qaeda and Taliban guys in Afghanistan after all that has
happened.
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Simply
put, there is only one way to handle somebody who attacks you and appeasement is not it.
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Well, muslims and muslim extremists are two different parties. I agree
that it isa dangerous message to send if we just concede everything and give them what they want, but I am just
saying give them enough to where the anger isn\'t so great.
I\'m not willing to be a sacrificial lamb in
the ideal of don\'t bargain with terrorists.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
bjf
Your
replies to this thread really got my blood up! I\'ll try to be kind. You need to stop listening to NPR. Try
reading some books on the subject. Start with \"Tea with Terrorists\". Elana can give you some more titles. Stop
listening to left wing appeasement propaganda and find out who your enemy is and why he wants YOU dead. Here\'s
the long and the short of it. Do you believe in allah? Did you bend your knee to him in submission today? If you
didn\'t and aren\'t willing to then osama, taking his instructions from the Koran and the Hadif, wants you dead.
Below is a post I made to another Forum a few months back.
islam means \"submission\". Contrary to the swill
being feed to us by the media and our politicians, islam is NOT a religion of Peace. There are two books that are
the \"Hand books\" of islam. The koran, which most have heard of, and the Hadif, which most have not heard of.
Neither books have any reference to \"Peace\" in them at all. Both books expound the teachings of mohamed the
\"profit\", who, by all accounts, was a rather creepy little deformed white guy with a goitered neck who hated
Jews. According to these books, islam means \"submission, by sword, to the will of allah !! Submit to Allah or
die!!!!
According to mohamed and the \"books\" of islam there are two worlds! Dar el islam and Dar el Harb. Dar
el islam is the world belonging to islam and allah. Dar el Harb is everything else. According to allah, mohamed and
his books, everything which is not islam, i.e.. Dar el Harb, must die. Submit to allah and islam or die is the only
message in the books of islam. The Hadif is the handbook on how to make the world of Dar el Harb submit to allah and
islam. The Hadif is the book that osama bin laden and the \"True\" believers read and adhere to. The Hadif is
about 600 pages long and gets into great detail about how to convert, by the sword, Dar el Harb into Dar el islam.
Lie, cheat, steal and murder are it\'s main means of conversion.
The message of allah, mohamed and islam is
simple. You are either part of islam or you must die!!! It doesn\'t matter if you\'re a Christian or a Jew or a
Buddhist or an Aitheist; an American, a Frenchmen or if you\'re Chinese; if you\'re not islam and refuse to
\"submit\" to islam then you need to die. This is according to allah\'s \"Will\". The world of islam breaks
down into two groups. Good islamists and bad islamists. The bad islamist don\'t read and adhere to the book. The
good islamist do read and adhere to the book. It\'s kinda like nazi Germany. You had good nazi\'s and bad
nazi\'s. The good nazi\'s bought into the lies and took part in the murders. The bad nazi\'s were swept along
keeping their mouths shut lest they get sent to the camps as well.
I am not optimistic about the future. As long
as we have this \"head up the ass, politically correct\" , \"Can\'t we all just get along\" attitude toward
islam, we\'re F*CKED!!!!!
In the words of a rather infamous Brother. \"The time has come for each and every
one of you to decide. Brothers and Sisters, take 5 seconds to decide weather you want to be part of the problem or
part of the solution. 5 seconds is all you need.\"
Read some books bjf and take your 5 seconds!
Peace out
Bro.
Macky, can you name that Brother?
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ASH!!! I take back my Oprah comment. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
bjf....I am not sure
what world you are living in, but if you really think that you can reason with these monsters you have got another
thing coming. Unless you want to convert and believe what they tell you to believe, then they want you just as dead
as those thousands of Americans that were killed at the WTC on 9/11
\"These
monsters\"???
You really think all muslims are monsters?
I highly doubt that.
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\"These monsters\"???
You really think all
muslims are monsters?
I highly doubt that.
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We aren\'t
talking about ALL MUSLIMS. We are dealing with Islamic fundimentalists. Do you seriously think that you can
\"reason\" with them?