Choosing the right Pheromone (Man attract Man)...
Please Help!
Hi Guys & Girls,
I have lurked here for a while now, and searched around the boards
for an answer to my question.
I did try to search out the answer first, before starting a new post.. I
couldn't find it, hence my first ever post :D
I am really interested in obtaining a gay pheromone
attractant.
Now I know from the posts I have read here from the archive, that there is no pheromone designed
specifically for this purpose :(
I had found a pheromone called "Man2Man", but I didn't see any references to
this in the forum, or listed on the shopfront, So I thought better of ordering it..
I appreciate that most of
you guys are straight and would't know which pheromone worked this way. It's just I'd really like to be able to
wear a pheromone that is designed to attract men.
To this end, I read here that gay men should use the
pheromones designed for women to attract men. Now I have no problem with this (it sounds great!), my only concern is
that I don't want to wear a pheromone that makes me smell like a women (perfumed and the like!!)
Is there any
unscented pheromones designed to attract men, that would be suitable for both women and gay men.
I have to
admit that I don't want to wear a perfurmed pheromone, because not everyone knows that I am gay, and I don't want
to wear a strongly scented pheromone. I work in a pretty male-dominated workplace, and I don't want anyone to laugh
at me if I wear a perfurmed mone....
Please, please, please some suggestions.. I'm open to all product
suggestions.. I don't care if it takes me 5 different products to get the results..
Hope to hear all of the
expert opinions :)
Authorities (i.e., JVK) say...
"Male" vs. "Female" 'mones: First, it's important to remember that there aren't really any
"male pheromones," or at least none that are on the market. Sure, there are 'none and 'rone, but it's important
to remember that both men and women produce them, but in different ratios. (Androstadienone may be an
exception.) 'Nol, in particular, has been shown to be somewhat of a unisex pheromone, and produces (IIRC) an
increase in LH in both men and women. The difference between most male-market and female-market pheromones are
twofold: first, male-market 'mones tend to have higher ratios of 'none to 'rone and 'nol, and second,
female-market 'mones generally contain copulins, which male-market 'mones don't. Which is best for a homosexual
male? Good question. First question first:
'None, 'rone and 'nol ratios:
Here are a few
things that JVK had to say:
Quote:
Animal
models of male homosexuality strongly suggest that the anomaly is that the homosexual males respond to the
pheromones of males in a manner that would be typical of their heterosexual counterparts response to estrus
females.
Accordingly, gay males should use male pheromones to attract other gay males. A preliminary report
showed that homosexuals distinguish between heterosexual and homosexual natural body odor and prefer the natural
body odor of other homosexuals. This adds further support for the gay male to use male pheromones.
That
would say that you should in general use the same things that men use to attract women. (Yes, that will attract
women as well, which is something that you said you wanted to avoid, but it seems that just about everything that
gay males do does, so I think you should just give up on that. Women love gay men. Live with it.) I figure
that would relate particularly well to 'none, since that's the closest thing we have to a let's-have-sex-now
pheromone (i.e., the kind of pheromone that estrus females--females in heat--emit). So I would try about the same
amount of 'none that straight dudes use to attract women. Keep in mind, of course, that 'none is very easy to OD
with, and the amount that will produce an OD reaction is much more variable with 'none than 'rone or 'nol, and is
affected by conversion, buildup, and natural production much more than the others. You'll have to play with this to
find your optimal dosage.
Kohl also said that there are differences between the scent of heterosexual and
homosexual males. Now, that isn't to say that homosexual males are more feminine; that may be the case, but
it's not necessarily so. We just don't know enough to say conclusively either way. However, I would presume that
gay males do NOT smell like women, on a number of grounds. First, a female acquaintance of mine can allegedly tell
the difference between heterosexual male and homosexual male scent, and she says that gay men smell pretty much like
straight men, but that they smell "more like ass". I don't think that's a very feminine smell. Second, if gay men
had feminine 'mone signatures, then straight men would be attracted to them. I don't think that's the case. As a
result, I would guess that gay men either smell more masculine than straight men, or that the difference cannot be
explained in a simple feminine-masculine continuum.
Also, I remember JVK saying something in another post
somewhere about the ratio of "A to E", as he said it. The "A" was androsterone, one of the components of his
SOE. The "E", though, was a pheromone that isn't included in any known product to date. I don't remember what it
was exactly, but it began (I think) with "estra-" and ended with "-ol". (No, it was not estradiol.) Anyway, JVK said
that he had found that this ratio is somehow implicated in whether someone is seen as straight or gay (or even
female? Can't remember). I can't remember which orientation corresponded to which ratio, but bjf said in one of
the links above that a lower A/E ratio is had by both women and gay men.
A lot of 'nol would probably be a
good idea. 'Nol seems to make both sexes happy.
Copulins: Copulins seem to turn on both men
and women. Why is this? Is it because the scent of competition makes women horny? I dunno. But people say it
does, so I believe them. It may also do the same for gay men. It's difficult to say. However, if you got some, you
might be able to tell what effect it would have on others by seeing what effect it would have on you. You could try
putting some on your upper lip. If it works, you should experience an increase in testosterone, which would make you
feel stronger, more energetic, a bit happier, a bit hornier and more aggressive (although the last two traits
probably wouldn't be manifest except in company).
JVK has also been doing a fair amount of research on the
subject of homosexual pheromones recently. You can find one article on page 19 of
this PDF, and
some more general information in the fifth paragraph of this
page.
As for scent: when dealing with women and 'none, a cover scent is absolutely
critical. Women are incredibly sensitive to the scent of 'none alone, and it smells terrible. I think I
remember hearing that women can detect (i.e., consciously perceive) the urine/B.O. smell of 'none at 1/100 to
1/1000 the concentration at which men can detect it. Given, there are a lot of physiological areas in which gay
men resemble women more than straight men (e.g., corpus callosum size), but IIRC, that type of sensitivity has been
linked to estrogen levels, so I'd guess that gay men would only be able to detect 'none as well as straight men.
Therefore, a cover scent probably will not be as important as when dealing with women. You might also be able to get
away with more 'none overall than one would with women. Still, I'd recommend not playing with fire. Get a good
cover scent, even if you're only using scented products.
So, when it comes down to it, what products do
I recommend? I'd probably buy SOE/w (which doesn't have 'rone) and AE/m (with rone) or NPA/m (without rone)
and play with different ratios of the two. WAGG would also probably be good either as a substitute for or a
complement to SOE. I'd guess that for club-type environments, 4-6 drops AE/m or 2-4 drops NPA/m and 6-12 inches
SOE/w would probably do the trick, with maybe a bit of copulins if you can manage it. For other situations, I'd go
for 1-2 drops AE and about the same amount of SOE to lower the aggressive/stinky 'none while keeping a good amount
of friendly 'nol. Also, if you had to deal with a lot of homophobia at work or something, you might be able to use
SOE/m or AE/m to help you stay in the closet. Just a thought.
Chikara might also be interesting, but as I
don't own it, I don't know enough about it to guess how it might affect gay men.
