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Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that
is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing
field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No
matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept
and everyone in your house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in
the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically
some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual
abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all
of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it
usually.
So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To
protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when
Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who
is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any
normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many
are proud to have.
Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers
than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.
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I own guns,
and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.
Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.
People also
didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed
weapons permit.
Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available
to people who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the
firing range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical
smallarms safety tests.
BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper
targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of
something.
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Agreed! Emphatically
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And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of
doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,
he probably isn\'t.
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I feel exactly the same way. My \'Home
defense clip\' is loaded with Talons. If some idiot forces me to shoot him, I want him to stay shot. I have no
problem at all cleaning up somebody else\'s blood.
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Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that
is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing
field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No
matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept
and everyone in your house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in
the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically
some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual
abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all
of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it
usually.
So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To
protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when
Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who
is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any
normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many
are proud to have.
Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers
than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I own guns,
and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.
Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.
People also
didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed
weapons permit.
Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available
to people who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the
firing range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical
smallarms safety tests.
BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper
targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of
something.
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Agreed! Emphatically
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class=\"post\">
And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of
doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,
he probably isn\'t.
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Kari,
I don\'t hunt so don\'t own
any rifles only handguns. I have three daughters. They can all cut out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol.
As soon as they were old and strong enough to safely handle a gun they started learning gun safety and marksmanship.
Like so many other things, training and familiarity removed most of the risk of having them around the house. Gun
safety is practiced here more from years of habit than from any enforced rules. I have few worries because there is
no novelty for them.
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Why do people
even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun
hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are
with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your
house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is
probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just
EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,
and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because
their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.
So watch out
for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To protect them from
themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when Florida became a
concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who is so weak in
punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any normal,
responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many are proud
to have.
Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers than are
even injured by non-criminal gun owners.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I own guns, and see the
value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions. Because any home
that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.
People also didn\'t shoot up
McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed weapons permit.
Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available to people
who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the firing
range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical smallarms
safety tests.
BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper targets.
I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of something.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Agreed! Emphatically
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class=\"post\">
And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of
doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,
he probably isn\'t.
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Kari,
I don\'t hunt so don\'t own
any rifles only handguns. I have three daughters. They can all cut out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol.
As soon as they were old and strong enough to safely handle a gun they started learning gun safety and marksmanship.
Like so many other things, training and familiarity removed most of the risk of having them around the house. Gun
safety is practiced here more from years of habit than from any enforced rules. I have few worries because there is
no novelty for them.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yep. That was my upbringing, too.
Taught to shoot SAFELY as soon as I was old enough to lift a gun. No accidents in that house. Ever.
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Kari,
I don\'t hunt so don\'t own any
rifles only handguns. I have three daughters. They can all cut out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol. As
soon as they were old and strong enough to safely handle a gun they started learning gun safety and marksmanship.
Like so many other things, training and familiarity removed most of the risk of having them around the house. Gun
safety is practiced here more from years of habit than from any enforced rules. I have few worries because there is
no novelty for them.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yep. That was my upbringing, too.
Taught to shoot SAFELY as soon as I was old enough to lift a gun. No accidents in that house. Ever.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
That\'s the difference between responsible gun ownership and these macho
morons who think they are toys. While it is not a secret, most people don\'t even realize I own guns.
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Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their
actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I
still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve
life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is
usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and
was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not
do harm?
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They can and do, but there are sociopath\'s(sp?) at
all ages.
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I think people are watching too much \"Children
are miracles and our future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap. Sure they are, but this total focus on children
has gone a bit too far to a point of oversatuation.
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We are so
afraid of \"abusing\" our children that they are running the show. The authority of the parent or teacher is so
watered down that if a kid wants to go bad who can stop them?
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You\'re on a boat with your mother, your spouse,
and your baby. The boat is sinking, and you only have the strength to take one back to shore. The others are
unable to make it on their own, and you are the only one who can save one of them. Who do you save?
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Spouse
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Yes I know
Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will
the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger
who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.
Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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If the dog can
learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not do harm?
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They can and do, but there are sociopath\'s(sp?) at all ages.
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Unfortunately, that\'s true. The real issue here is identifying and
helping them. Many mental conditions respond well to drug therapy and new ones are being developed to help many
more. Prevention is key to the problem, schools and parents both have got to be involved to make it work. Now many
parents refuse to admit a problem exists and the schools are powerless in most cases.
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Why do people
even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun
hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are
with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your
house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is
probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just
EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,
and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because
their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.
So watch out
for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To protect them from
themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when Florida became a
concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who is so weak in
punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any normal,
responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many are proud
to have.
Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers than are
even injured by non-criminal gun owners.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I own guns, and see the
value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions. Because any home
that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.
People also didn\'t shoot up
McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed weapons permit.
Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available to people
who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the firing
range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical smallarms
safety tests.
BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper targets.
I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of something.
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If this were true and you could kill someone attacking you, then I
think violent crime in America would drop dramatically.
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I think people are watching too much \"Children are miracles and our
future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap. Sure they are, but this total focus on children has gone a bit too far
to a point of oversatuation.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
We are so afraid of \"abusing\"
our children that they are running the show. The authority of the parent or teacher is so watered down that if a
kid wants to go bad who can stop them?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
It\'s really sad when
you can be charged with abuse for discipling your kid but it happens all to frequently. And as bad is when the
schools enforce the rules only to have the parents take it to court. What does that teach the kids?
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Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like
to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind
of evens out the playing field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a
bit overrated....No matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk
that you have to accept and everyone in your house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents
until we are blue in the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than
other kids. Basically some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to
violence, sexual abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can
be, and not all of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large
percentage of it usually.
So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To
protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when
Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who
is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any
normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many
are proud to have.
Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers
than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I own guns,
and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.
Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.
People also
didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed
weapons permit.
Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available
to people who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the
firing range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical
smallarms safety tests.
BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper
targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of
something.
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If this were true and you could kill someone attacking
you, then I think violent crime in America would drop dramatically.
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class=\"post\">
Is there some reason you can\'t?
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Kari,
I don\'t hunt so don\'t own any rifles only handguns. I have
three daughters. They can all cut out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol. As soon as they were old and
strong enough to safely handle a gun they started learning gun safety and marksmanship. Like so many other things,
training and familiarity removed most of the risk of having them around the house. Gun safety is practiced here more
from years of habit than from any enforced rules. I have few worries because there is no novelty for them.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yep. That was my upbringing, too. Taught to shoot SAFELY as soon
as I was old enough to lift a gun. No accidents in that house. Ever.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
That\'s the difference between responsible gun ownership and these macho morons who think
they are toys. While it is not a secret, most people don\'t even realize I own guns.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I am opening a fifth of Vodka because I agree with Bel and Kari.....
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Kari,
I don\'t hunt so don\'t own any rifles only handguns. I have three daughters. They can all cut
out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol. As soon as they were old and strong enough to safely handle a gun
they started learning gun safety and marksmanship. Like so many other things, training and familiarity removed most
of the risk of having them around the house. Gun safety is practiced here more from years of habit than from any
enforced rules. I have few worries because there is no novelty for them.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Yep. That was my upbringing, too. Taught to shoot SAFELY as soon as I was old enough to lift a
gun. No accidents in that house. Ever.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
That\'s the difference
between responsible gun ownership and these macho morons who think they are toys. While it is not a secret, most
people don\'t even realize I own guns.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I am opening a fifth of
Vodka because I agree with Bel and Kari..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Leave it in the freezer for a couple hours then chase it with cold water.
You\'ll never feel it go down. Hell of a way to get really plastered.
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Yes I know
Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will
the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger
who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.
Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
If the dog can
learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not do harm?
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
They can and do, but there are sociopath\'s(sp?) at all ages.
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TOO true. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and
are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in
America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say
like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids
are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and
yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child
learn that s/he may not do harm?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
They can and do, but there are
sociopath\'s(sp?) at all ages.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Unfortunately, that\'s true.
The real issue here is identifying and helping them. Many mental conditions respond well to drug therapy and new
ones are being developed to help many more. Prevention is key to the problem, schools and parents both have got to
be involved to make it work. Now many parents refuse to admit a problem exists and the schools are powerless in most
cases.
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... which is unfortunate, because incipient sociopathy is
fairly easy to indetify, early on.
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The problem with all these gun laws is that criminals don\'t abide by them.
And the problem with kids today
may stem from an unhealthy diet, lack of vigorous exercise, and ofcourse the lack of discipline and parenting in
general in so many American households.
So let\'s get mom off the valium. Dad off the scotch. Kids off the
couch. Stop with the freakin happy meals, and eliminate the pounds, and pounds, and pounds of SUGAR that these kids
eat in a year.
And then if your kid is still a troublemaker. Ship him off to military school.
I know it
sounds simplistic. But maybe we need a little more simplicity in our overly complicated lives.
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Exit,
You are really starting to worry me. Other than the military school, I couldn\'t agree more. Although
the idea of every person being required to do some form of service, military or civil, for about 18 months after
they finish school has a lot of merit.
People who don\'t want to put in the effort to raise kids need to either
practice birth control or keep their friggin pants on. There\'s a lot of time and effort that goes into raising
civilized human beings.
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Yup, we have plenty of laws.
What we need to do is enforce them. Spend the time and effort to catch and punish criminals to the degree that it
makes a lasting impression. I personally have no problem at all with chain gangs out cleaning the streets, in the
desert, in August!
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Exit,
You are really starting to worry me. Other
than the military school, I couldn\'t agree more. Although the idea of every person being required to do some form
of service, military or civil, for about 18 months after they finish school has a lot of merit.
People who
don\'t want to put in the effort to raise kids need to either practice birth control or keep their friggin pants
on. There\'s a lot of time and effort that goes into raising civilized human beings.
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Agreed. There was local case of an unhandleable child. The school tried
to get the parents involved. The parents said,\" We\'re stuck with them three months out of the year. The rest of
the year they\'re the school\'s problem.\"
Um.... why did you have kids?
Re: 2nd-graders caught in murder plot?!
Well the thing with the military schools is that they provide a much needed discipline. Although it\'s not right
to ship your kids off and wash your hands of them.
How about a couple of hundred military style semi-boarding
public high schools. Maybe the kids can come home on weekends. And when they reach a certain age they can be sent
to a real army boot camp. These schools can target inner-city kids who don\'t exactly have nuclear families.
My point is that without proper discipline and education these kids are screwed. Especially in todays economy.
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Well the thing with the military schools is that
they provide a much needed discipline. Although it\'s not right to ship your kids off and wash your hands of
them.
How about a couple of hundred military style semi-boarding public high schools. Maybe the kids can come
home on weekends. And when they reach a certain age they can be sent to a real army boot camp. These schools can
target inner-city kids who don\'t exactly have nuclear families.
My point is that without proper discipline
and education these kids are screwed. Especially in todays economy.
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So, will these schools have the authority to enforce discipline? Without being sued twice a
week for making kids behave? You\'ll get no argument about the need for discipline with kids. The biggest problem
is starting so late. Kids need it as soon as they can comprehend it and that is very young. By doing it then, less
is needed later.
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Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and
are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in
America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say
like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids
are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and
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If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child
learn that s/he may not do harm?
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They can and do, but there are
sociopath\'s(sp?) at all ages.
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TOO true.
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Frozen Vodka is
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