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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Most people who own guns generally distrust the
government....I just don\'t see as living in America the great need of protecting your family especially those who
live in suburbs.
I do not know what you have been through, have you ever been attacked by someone, or at a point
where you needed a gun for self defense....I also think people like the power of having a gun, they get off to it,
and they love shooting it like blowing a load, and there is no way to ever know if everyone who has a gain is a
responsible up standing member of society. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You go in for the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back
that up?
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Bel.....I happen to have owned a bee bee gun...It was C02 powered....So I happen to be pretty bad ass too.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
I don\'t care much about guns, I haven\'t been shot in
the balls yet, so I am happy, excuse my \"debate\" it was me just drveling and partially talking to
myself.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Don\'t turn around on them
Dr.smellthis they may grab a pencil and create a bunch of lead holes in your back, then duct tape your mouth shut
and throw you into a bathtub where they pour soap all over you.....
Do you see the danger?
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Been there,
done that.
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Don\'t turn around on them Dr.smellthis they may
grab a pencil and create a bunch of lead holes in your back, then duct tape your mouth shut and throw you into a
bathtub where they pour soap all over you.....
Do you see the danger?
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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LMAO
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain
diseased to where parents can\'t make everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems)
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Well that is my point. We consider serial killers evil, and
they have frontal cortex problems....and a whole laundry list of other things....By evil I did not mean soul, but
brain which is our temporary soul...So if a kid lacks any sort of remorse (unable to register the emotion) for
example and enjoys pulling out his little brothers hair, and choking cats, then I consider him \"evil\".
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OK, I get where you\'re coming from. The difference is you treat brain damaged, and see at as another
yourself, but give up on evil, and see it as separate.
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OK, I get where you\'re coming from. The
difference is you treat brain damaged, and see at as another yourself, but give up on evil, and see it as separate.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Is treating brain damage possible? I know no matter what a child
molestor says, I wouldn\'t trust him or take him on his word, same goes for many mental dysfuntions.
I am
giving up on Evil, I just miss the children of the corn is all. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Today\'s love-scent topics? Guns and evil kids.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that
is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing
field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No
matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept
and everyone in your house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in
the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically
some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual
abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all
of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it
usually.
So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain diseased to where parents
can\'t make everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems). I\'ve never seen anything
approaching an \"evil kid\" as a child psychologist, and I\'ve worked with tons of \"very bad\" ones over the
years. The ones that looked the worst often ended up being my favorites to work with.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I don\'t want to get into semantics (I\'ve always wanted to say that
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]), but if children can\'t be evil, then by definition adults
have a hell of a time being evil as well. If you think about it, adults are only a product of growing up as
children. Adults are held accountable because they supposedly understand or should understand the consequences of
their actions as well as the moral fibers that hold together society while children do not have the cognitive
capacity to see past their own existence or the near future due to the stages of cognitive development. However, if
a \"damaged\" child is not evil because he doesn\'t understand the above concepts, then if he grows older and
still has not been taught such moral ideas (the value of human life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness), how can he
be considered evil now when he\'s never been led in the \"right direction\"? The only way a person could be
\'evil\' is if they grew up as a normal, law-abiding child and somehow as an adult understood right and wrong,
believed in the rules, and committed violent, destructive acts despite all of this.
Or they\'re all just really
messed up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
I\'m just giving you a hard time, don\'t listen
to me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
Seriously, though, that being a hole in the world of
logic, it\'s a moral dilemma when you can call a grown person \'evil\' when they might just be a product of
witnessing evil their whole lives to the point that that\'s all they know. It\'s sad when you think about it
because I could be a mean, hurtful, cold-blooded killer as an adult if that\'s all I knew as a child...and that
would make me an evil human being.
Ouch...philosophical overload...must go lie down...
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids,
or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or
even younger who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.
Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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I think people are watching too much \"Children are miracles and our future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap.
Sure they are, but this total focus on children has gone a bit too far to a point of oversatuation.
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You\'re on a boat with your mother, your spouse, and your baby. The boat is sinking, and you only
have the strength to take one back to shore. The others are unable to make it on their own, and you are the only
one who can save one of them. Who do you save?
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You\'re on a boat with your mother, your spouse,
and your baby. The boat is sinking, and you only have the strength to take one back to shore. The others are unable
to make it on their own, and you are the only one who can save one of them. Who do you save?
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> pancho, that reminds me of the announcements some cabin crews came up with to
get the passengers attention at during the safety routine. Part of it was something like (in case of emergency) `If
you have a child with you, do this and that and if you have more than one child with you on board decide which one
you like better and keep in mind that the older one tends to move out first´
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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I think people are watching too much
\"Children are miracles and our future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap. Sure they are, but this total focus
on children has gone a bit too far to a point of oversatuation.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
What TV shows do you watch, Tallmacky?
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What TV shows do you watch, Tallmacky?
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Ummm well my favorite show is \"Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)\"
The guy thinks just the way I do...rarely have I disagreed with anything he has said....ahhh a mentor and he is
Godlike! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Someone here also got me addicted to Scrubs which is
perfection...[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Discovery channel, I can even stomach Bill
O\'reilly who has a few good points.....and Hookers on the point. Shows the pimp and hoe relationship....good for
laughs...\"Where my money?\"
What do you watch Dr.? Have you ever watched scramble softcore porn on cable?
Could time to work out the natural smegma as lube! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You must be a
Discovery Channel fan too eh?
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Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to
hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of
evens out the playing field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit
overrated....No matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that
you have to accept and everyone in your house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents
until we are blue in the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than
other kids. Basically some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to
violence, sexual abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can
be, and not all of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large
percentage of it usually.
So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
It\'s true that some kids are evil. I once had, on my caseload, a 13
year old serial rapist. Sociopathic Personality Disorder-- no ability to empathize, whatever. Thought to be innate.
However, adults still need to keep the guns and ammo locked up.
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people
even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun
hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are
with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your
house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is
probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just
EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,
and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because
their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.
So watch out
for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain diseased to where parents can\'t make
everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems). I\'ve never seen anything approaching an
\"evil kid\" as a child psychologist, and I\'ve worked with tons of \"very bad\" ones over the years. The ones
that looked the worst often ended up being my favorites to work with.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I don\'t want to get into semantics (I\'ve always wanted to say that
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]), but if children can\'t be evil, then by definition adults
have a hell of a time being evil as well. If you think about it, adults are only a product of growing up as
children. Adults are held accountable because they supposedly understand or should understand the consequences of
their actions as well as the moral fibers that hold together society while children do not have the cognitive
capacity to see past their own existence or the near future due to the stages of cognitive development. However, if
a \"damaged\" child is not evil because he doesn\'t understand the above concepts, then if he grows older and
still has not been taught such moral ideas (the value of human life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness), how can he
be considered evil now when he\'s never been led in the \"right direction\"? The only way a person could be
\'evil\' is if they grew up as a normal, law-abiding child and somehow as an adult understood right and wrong,
believed in the rules, and committed violent, destructive acts despite all of this.
Or they\'re all just really
messed up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
I\'m just giving you a hard time, don\'t listen
to me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
Seriously, though, that being a hole in the world of
logic, it\'s a moral dilemma when you can call a grown person \'evil\' when they might just be a product of
witnessing evil their whole lives to the point that that\'s all they know. It\'s sad when you think about it
because I could be a mean, hurtful, cold-blooded killer as an adult if that\'s all I knew as a child...and that
would make me an evil human being.
Ouch...philosophical overload...must go lie down...
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
There are
also bad people that have never been abused, and good people who have been abused badly. It\'s a mystery.
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are
well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America
is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say like
murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are
babied and age is usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes
he is evil and was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not
do harm?
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that
is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing
field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No
matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept
and everyone in your house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in
the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically
some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual
abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all
of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it
usually.
So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To
protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when
Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who
is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any
normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many
are proud to have.
Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers
than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I own guns,
and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.
Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.
People also
didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed
weapons permit.
Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available
to people who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the
firing range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical
smallarms safety tests.
BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper
targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of
something.
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Most people who own guns generally distrust the government....I just don\'t
see as living in America the great need of protecting your family especially those who live in suburbs.
I do not
know what you have been through, have you ever been attacked by someone, or at a point where you needed a gun for
self defense....I also think people like the power of having a gun, they get off to it, and they love shooting it
like blowing a load, and there is no way to ever know if everyone who has a gain is a responsible up standing member
of society. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
You go in for the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back that up?
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Well, gun control is said to be tightest in WDC-- which is also one of the
highest areas for violent crime.
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Bel.....I happen to have owned a bee bee gun...It
was C02 powered....So I happen to be pretty bad ass too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
I
don\'t care much about guns, I haven\'t been shot in the balls yet, so I am happy, excuse my \"debate\" it was
me just drveling and partially talking to myself.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
ROFL!
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
This is quiete insane. At that age we had pocket
knives maybe but we knew better than to attack others with them even when I was mega pissed off with someone I´d
have never dreamed of doing that [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Parents who give their kids
easy access to weapons and don´t manage to teach their kids right from wrong shouldn´t be allowed to own weapons
fullstop. And those kids need a good verbal blasting to get some decency drilled into their young sad minds.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
What she said.
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There\'s virtually always a lot going on
with the parents, and siblings, when kids do that. I agree that the parents should be held responsible.
Guns are
hard to keep safe in homes with children. Kids find keys, or someone forgets to lock something. If you have
seriously emotionally disturbed kids, even if they\'re apparently neither suicidal nor homicidal, owning guns is
probably just a very bad idea, even though we have a right to have them. Countless things could happen. I bet
there were major warning signs years ago, which makes the parents doubly responsible.
On the other hand, PET
scans of the kid\'s brains would probably be remarkable too. Major chemical imbalances are also likely. But this
kind of disturbance doesn\'t just appear suddenly some morning.
Everybody needs a ton of therapy (with
somebody good, like me [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) and/or psychiatric treatment. Child
Protective Services need to be heavily involved in home as well.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
What he said.
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people
even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun
hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are
with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your
house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is
probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just
EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,
and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because
their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.
So watch out
for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To protect them from
themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when Florida became a
concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who is so weak in
punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any normal,
responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many are proud
to have.
Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers than are
even injured by non-criminal gun owners.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I own guns, and see the
value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions. Because any home
that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.
People also didn\'t shoot up
McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed weapons permit.
Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available to people
who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the firing
range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical smallarms
safety tests.
BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper targets.
I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of something.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Agreed! Emphatically
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their
actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I
still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve
life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is
usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and
was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not
do harm?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
That\'s in part because parents are so concerned with
being friends with their kids that they cannot be parents. When a dog bites or gets too aggressive, you let it
know-FIRMLY! When a kid bites or gets too aggressive you hear \"Oh, <Insert name here> be nice now.\" No
discipline or consequenses for their actions. then the parents can\'t figure out why they are intolerable
monsters. It\'s a way of showing your kids you love them. Set bounderies and help them learn to be a part of
society.
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Most people
who own guns generally distrust the government....I just don\'t see as living in America the great need of
protecting your family especially those who live in suburbs.
I do not know what you have been through, have you
ever been attacked by someone, or at a point where you needed a gun for self defense....I also think people like the
power of having a gun, they get off to it, and they love shooting it like blowing a load, and there is no way to
ever know if everyone who has a gain is a responsible up standing member of society.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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You go in for
the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back that up?
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Well, gun control is said to be tightest in WDC-- which is also one of the highest areas for
violent crime.
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Gee, what a surprise.
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Anyone watch \"Bowling for Columbine\"?
I couldn\'t believe that you get shooter for OPENING AN
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Anyway, I found it quite interesting
(and the cartoon-part is even funny to some extent!)...
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Yes I know
Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will
the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger
who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable
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Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"
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If the dog can
learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not do harm?
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That\'s in part because parents are so concerned with being friends with
their kids that they cannot be parents. When a dog bites or gets too aggressive, you let it know-FIRMLY! When a kid
bites or gets too aggressive you hear \"Oh, <Insert name here> be nice now.\" No discipline or consequenses
for their actions. then the parents can\'t figure out why they are intolerable monsters. It\'s a way of showing
your kids you love them. Set bounderies and help them learn to be a part of society.
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What he said.
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Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like
to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind
of evens out the playing field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a
bit overrated....No matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk
that you have to accept and everyone in your house has to accept.
Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents
until we are blue in the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than
other kids. Basically some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to
violence, sexual abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can
be, and not all of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large
percentage of it usually.
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Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To
protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when
Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who
is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any
normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many
are proud to have.
Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers
than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.
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I own guns,
and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.
Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.
People also
didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed
weapons permit.
Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available
to people who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the
firing range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical
smallarms safety tests.
BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper
targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of
something.
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Agreed! Emphatically
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And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of
doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,
he probably isn\'t.
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Anyone watch \"Bowling for Columbine\"?
I
couldn\'t believe that you get shooter for OPENING AN ACCOUNT IN A BANK!! First comment after receiving
it:
\"Don\'t you think it\'s a little dangerous, handing out guns in a bank??\"
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Anyway, I found it quite interesting (and the cartoon-part is
even funny to some extent!)...
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Loved Bowling for
Columbine!
BTW-- A bank robber in West L.A. was apprehended after he left his gun behind. He called the bank,
later, and asked whether he could come by and pick it up.