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**DONOTDELETE**
10-07-2001, 09:00 PM
I believe that the forum members here are Right . .

Androstenol is the way to go to hook

young girls ( 14 to 17 )

I Mean . . its odd . . cause when I wore Perfect 10 or the edge ( non scented ) will try Sandalwood . .

I would attact older girls over 18 and older than Me . .

like 19 20 . . 21 . . Very Hot . . but I like younger . .

and the funny thing is when I wear no Pheromones My success rate with teenage babes is awesome . .

the other night I got 5 numbers of hot girls all . .

between 14 and 17 WITHOUT pheroes !

remember . . its not all about pheroes

its about looking good , muscular ,

Nice clothing ( Italian style ) is best
Though , that is a little Bias . l o l


But I see that NO teenager under 18 should Buy HEAVY androstenone . .

like Perfect 10 is WAYYYYYY too strong .


but this Androstenol revolution of teens Might be a Big Hit . .

Especially the New Pi which contains

PURE 11 Mg of NOL . .

I have a Feeling that this will be an awesome weapon to hook young chicks

since its Less aggressive and more subtle

Though , ofcourse for older guys seems

like None cant be beat . .

But I especially think that since I \'m

a Teenager and I produce a lot of None

and I go 4 times a week to the gym . .

that I might sometimes give the wrong

signals with P 10 . .

Though , I think if a teenager likes older

women . . than once again NONE is a weapon .

So I guess to Resume

NONE = older

NOL = younger .

Thats what I \'ve understood from all the

info that board members have shared .

oscar
10-08-2001, 02:24 PM
Matt,

Great post! Even guys in their early twenties would do well to heed this advice.

It would be nice if there were more definitive clinical studies aimed at finding the average age at which men start losing their natural Androstenone producing ability.Or a way of measuring A-None levels that anyone can use. Hell,they have home pregnancy tests! Would a home A-None test be such a stretch of the imagination?

Anyway,it\'s nice to hear from a young guy who\'s really paying attention!

By the way,those older girls,I can take them off your hands.Just E-Mail me their numbers.I\'m looking for something a little closer to MY own age, like TWO 23 year-olds!


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Oscar

**DONOTDELETE**
10-08-2001, 03:44 PM
HI W O . . thanks for ur post . .

Yep , , I have been paying attention . .

and if the girls I Know ( 20 + ) would be residing in Philly , .

I would certainly give u their digits #

haha . l o l .

But ya I think the A nol could be great

especially Pi NOL

But I wonder what would be a good amount

of the women\'s P i ?

Do U have any thoughts on that . .

And do u think u can ( O D ) on N O L

like with None ?

I was thinking Maybe 1 drop behind

each ear . . or maybe 1 drop divided .

Whats your advice on that one ?

Also , do u think the copulins will

affect the product ? or will it make it

even more effective since its similar

to Nol . .


Thanks

**DONOTDELETE**
10-08-2001, 07:54 PM
A Great , Wise philosopher once quoted

TELL ME . . HE DID NOT JUST SAY THAT ! ! ! ! ! ! !

actually he\'s not a philosopher he\'s

Booker T . . the 5 time WCW champ . . but thats another story . l o l .

Anyway his words speak of great wisdom

for a pheromone topic that I read on the other thread

Which said that copulins . . could turn a Masculin guy into a Sissy or Fag in the eyes or should I say ( PRIMAL VNO which translates that other males think . .

FAG ? ? ? ?

now thats a SCARY thought !

Especially for Me . . I mean I hang out , go on dates clubbin . . with guys that cant get any more masculin . . mostly italians . .

and I Sure as Hell dont wanna give out no GAY vibes ! ! ! . .

and I sure dont want any gays approaching Me either . .

I mean , I have absolutely no offence against gay people . . there are many that are nice ppl . .

but I dont want any part of it . l o l .


So wild Oscar . . anyone . .

WILL PI for Women give out

any of these Vibes ? since it has some

reported copulins ? ?

or is the MASS amount of 11 MG of NOL

cover any 0000. 1 of microscopic cops

that are there .

Basically will that cause a problem . .


Any insight would be appreciated . .

What do u guys think ?

and scientist . . were u talking

of a PURE copulin product OR

of the NEW P I . .

I wanted to order the P I for the N O L

But u guys really scared Me ! ! l o l .


Thanks

**DONOTDELETE**
10-09-2001, 01:46 AM
What about an anti-androgen gas mask or filtering device to screen out pheromones for attractive women who want to avoid every man wearing pheromones to only get the hunks that is the next level. HE HE images/icons/laugh.gif

oscar
10-09-2001, 04:37 PM
Matt,

Worse case scenario,you smell like pussy. So who\'s to say that it\'s for any other reason than the fact that you just spent some \"quality time\" IN one. images/icons/laugh.gif

Oscar images/icons/wink.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
10-09-2001, 06:06 PM
Dude Matt,

Bruce is going to sell a new PI product with couplins, the old PI does not contain couplins. Only AndrosteNone is in Primal. So you should be safe with the PI that Bruce is selling now

**DONOTDELETE**
10-09-2001, 08:46 PM
No man . . the old P I is ANDROSTENONE

thats exactly what I \'m trying to escape NONE . .

I \' m looking for an Androstenol ONLY

product . . the new P I with 11 M G

looked great . . but now . . it totally scares Me . .


But what would u guys recommend between these products . .


SPMO . . How much NOL does it have ?

P F . . OR the New P I ?


how much cops does the new P I have anyway ?

2 bad there has to be any of that crap at all . l o l .

oscar
10-10-2001, 08:07 AM
Matt,

How about AFA? Nearly as much Nol as None (.019%Nol,.020% None).

Or P10? Current formula for men has 6mg.None, 3mg.Nol, 1mg.Rone.(.060%None, .030%Nol, .010%Rone ).

Until some manufacturer comes out with a Nol-ONLY product, the best you may be able to do is to BALANCE the None with Nol, as it appears you won\'t be able to eliminate the None completely without taking your chances with the Copulins in the wPI. I\'m real curious to see the first round of reviews on wPI.Should be interesting. images/icons/wink.gif

Oscar images/icons/laugh.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
10-10-2001, 06:20 PM
Hi oscar . . I actually have

P 10 NEW formula . . I posted the results

quite a few times . .

All in all it seems like I hook way more

young babes 14 to 17 wearing NOTHING

than wearing that P 10 . .

the NOL is 6 to 3 !

I \' m sure that I produce a ton of None

since I\'ve always been an athlete

and especially when I \'m training with

weights and Cardio . . I like smell

the scent of None . . l o l . .


I think androstenol would be AMAZINg

Along with looks , and physiques . . it Must be Best weapon to hook teenage chicks


its a TOTAL Bummer that

PI for women has to contain that

Shit copulins . .

when I saw 11 MG of N O L . . I thought . . Finally this is the Best product

than I noticed the garbage that was blended with N O L . .

They TOTALLY ruined the product ! ! ! !

I really wanted to try it . .

But just CANT take the chance around

the Guys . .

A F A seems pretty good

but again it has a little more N O N E

than N O L . . Its pure Nol that I \'m after . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-10-2001, 06:32 PM
O h by the way guys . . as u know I prefer 14 to 17 and ofcourse hot older . .

but Gotta say that I have N O problem

whatsoever in attracting 14 to 17 yr olds

BUT Now u will read the TRICKY part is that My goal is to get hot VIRGIN teenage girls . . yep virgin chicks . .

and the thing is no matter how hot u are .

u come off a little aggressive with them and they get totally scared . .

So I think A NOL would be awesome with them . .


By the way . . W O what about LURE


does it contain only A N O L ?

and How much ?

**DONOTDELETE**
10-10-2001, 08:29 PM
Oh and How much A NOL does SPMO contain ?

oscar
10-10-2001, 08:55 PM
Matt,

Don\'t know about SPMO. I can only really guess about Lure\'s content from my experiences. It seems to work. It smells VERY musky, and A-Nol reportedly smells musky. But I couldn\'t tell you whether it had more human or more Ox pheromones in it. It does list A-Nol as its only phero ingredient.

Is it legal to boink 14 year old girls where you live? Here you can go to jail on statutory rape charges for any girl under 18 even if it\'s consentual. images/icons/crazy.gif

Oscar images/icons/wink.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
10-11-2001, 08:05 PM
Well Not really no . . I mean there is a law but its pretty relaxed . . I mean very common for 22 yr olds dating 14 - 15 yr olds

and 16 17 dating 25 .. no big deal really . .


But when I say 14 - 15 yr olds . . I dont mean ur ordinary flat chested little girl I mean Very sexy Hard to get ( Amazing Body ) teens who are sometimes models and who look like their 20 + . .

and they are mostly Italian girls . .

so to get them . . u gotta look good . . dress ( extremely well ) Armani . . Piani is always great to wear . .

and maybe some androste NOL . . hehe . .


By the way wild o . .

can u Mix P I in A P C ?

do they mix well together ?

oscar
10-12-2001, 01:29 PM
Matt,

PI and APC? Interesting thought. They ARE both oil-based and I\'ve got \'em both. I\'ll mix up a small trial batch and get back to you.

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oscar
10-12-2001, 02:48 PM
Matt,

Put 6 drops of PI and 14 drops of APC in one of those little cologne sample tubes. Before and after shaking the liquids appeared to have blended well.

Assuming PI uses the same carrier oil in women\'s formula, that too will probably mix well. One note-The resulting mix looks EXTREMELY viscous, don\'t know how well it will work in all atomizers.

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**DONOTDELETE**
10-13-2001, 12:00 PM
Hey matt and others try alter ego combined with attraction, im going to give that a run, and im thinking even a spray of my 8.4 andro as well to jambat that experiment is going great guns.

Im getting some weirder than normal stuff and the OD is working well. images/icons/tongue.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
10-13-2001, 10:27 PM
Hi w o . . I think that the mix would

be best used with a DAB on . .

since its thicker . .

but it must mix very well since its both

the SAME ( OIL ) type products .

Will be an interesting test . .


Keep me updated on that . .


as for Me . . night on the town tonight

Later

**DONOTDELETE**
10-13-2001, 10:28 PM
By the way . . u could even try a P 10 mix with A P C . .

wonder how that would go . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-13-2001, 10:29 PM
Oh and did u try the A F A mix ?

oscar
10-14-2001, 06:01 AM
Matt,

I tried the APC/AFA mix and wasn\'t thrilled. See my AFA vs. NPA post for the review.

As for mixing P10 with APC, it probably will mix as well as NPA. I\'ve substituted P10 for NPA in my cologne (Eau D\'Issey) mix, and it gives off the same great scent as my Issey/NPA. I\'ve got a problem with putting my precious P10 into APC. APC\'s scent just doesn\'t last long enough (on me anyway) to justify the use of P10 in a mix. If I have to keep re-applying, I\'ll end up OD\'ing with P10\'s potency. Everybody\'s different,maybe it\'ll work for you.

Oscar images/icons/wink.gif

rjm
10-14-2001, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt_999:


BUT Now u will read the TRICKY part is that My goal is to get hot VIRGIN teenage girls . . yep virgin chicks . .

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As one of my favorite bumper stickers says:
Dragons are real; VIRGINS don\'t exist.

Later -

**DONOTDELETE**
10-14-2001, 07:53 PM
dude . . u gotta explain that quote

cause I gotta tell u . . not all

teenage chiks are slutty . .

and the ones who are not . . are the Most

desirable . . ( well atleast to Me )

harder to get but much better as gf\'s and dates . .

unless their 2 uptight . . thats another issue . l o l \\


I still Cant believe . . the Individual

and complete High end Phero kits

R u guys already ordering ? l o l /


wild O . . u buying it ? paul . .

even idol . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-14-2001, 07:56 PM
by the way . . I just gotta tell u guys

that I truly believe that p p l who produce a lot of NONE naturally . .


will probably experience NEGATIVE results

with strong None products . .

I totally believe in that . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-15-2001, 12:00 PM
Hey the ones that are to uptight can be brought down to our level easily. He he well my tactic shall remain my secret lets just say it involves hitting on all the lesser types, taking the flirting so far, lots of smiling and eye contact and talking, and just going after numbers, the hotties will come running to have a look, then hit them as well with your charm, he he, but still hold off, get more hotties in then go after them.

I run off mob behaviour, if something interesting is going on then of course more and more people are going to have a look, use that same behaviour to get lots of women/girls and it starts to work, you need lots of persistence and mental energy to pull this one off but the results are worth it.

Hey i just told everyone my secret damn.

A do it yourself kit sounds great if i have enough money i will buy one if it comes out.

Hay im having fun with my andro 8.4 at the moment. images/icons/laugh.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
10-15-2001, 08:28 PM
Oh Man ! paul just broke My RECORD ! ! !

I \' m the Former OVERDOSE Champ . .

with a ton of sprays of P 10 !

But what he did was MORE !


I will have to top paul . . hehe . .\\


by dumping 1 mg or over of pheroes or more . .

but what a waste . . right . . l o l .


on the other hand , maybe I \'ll just leave it like it i s . .

l o l .

I \' m still amazed . . at the discovery that idol made . .


10 M G of NOL PURE . .

even 20 MG of Nol pure . .


Oh and paul u say u like andro 8 . .

why dont u try


ANDRO 60 ! ! ! ! !

Only 500 $ $ $

that totally blasts andro 8 . .


u wont even need to dump tons of products . .

Just spray a couple of times Pure andro 60

and u\'ll be TOTALLY in the ( overdose )

zone . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-15-2001, 08:37 PM
Oh by the way . . the Best girls are the ones who are Hard to get . .

the easy ones are not a challenge . .

I mean , ofcourse u gotta sweet talk these chicks . .

But even if u do . . these good

girls from respectful Families . .

wont just jump in bed with u . .

it takes time . . sometimes months . .


But hey . . when the job is done . .

u get better satisfaction than an E Z

chik . . images/icons/laugh.gif

rjm
10-15-2001, 10:31 PM
Matt,

It\'s an attempt at humor, though it IS based on the lower ages of \"activity\" that we so often notice. Four girls I\'ve known have actually just jumped into my mind as I typed this...

I\'ll agree that not all are; it\'s a matter of finding one who doesn\'t give the impression of it either. I wish you much luck in that area. If she gets along with your parents, that\'s a major bonus.

When I have to deal with the self-absorbed ones, I like to have fun with them -- a bring-them-back-down-to-Earth kind of fun. In simplest terms, I\'ll be warm to everyone BUT them, until they figure out that I\'m a human too. Hmmm... Another girl fitting this description just popped up... Go figure. Yeah, I know -- I attract all the wierd ones.

It sounds like we\'re both looking for the same thing; someone who\'s WORTHY of us. Good luck to both of us!

Later!

**DONOTDELETE**
10-16-2001, 05:00 AM
I had fun, but i like to with the Best looking ice queen ones to bring em down to earth with a fud, thats the ones i dont know but its good to be able to do that sometimes, it wakes them up and they become human actually they become so human they actually start talking, amazing sometimes but im doing a public service right images/icons/wink.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
10-16-2001, 02:11 PM
u guys are absolutely right . .

I guess ice queens . . =

fuck and dump . .


and Good girls . . = treat with

respect and build a relationship . .

and OH YA . . I know many girls who

should be brought down wayyyyy down to

earth . . lol .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-16-2001, 02:20 PM
Hey tco . . paul from ( canada )

tco . . u made a very ( interesting )

point . .

u say that if u wear some cops . .

u could attract lesbians and BI sexual girls . . and maybe get some more

3 somes 4 somes more often . .


Ya I gotta say that would be a

MAJOR MAJOR plus ! l o l .


but look at the downsides . .

Lets EXAMINE this carefully . .


# 1 bi chiks and les will be in to u . .

Good . . Veryy good . .


# 2 STRAIGHT chicks . . will think

of u as 1 of the GIRLS ! ! !

they will talk and feel like ur 1 of their school gf\'s . .

Maybe they\'ll even want to place some makeup on u ! l o l .

and we all know that there are WAYYY

more straights than bi and lesbians . .


# 3 your friends . .

who are alpha type males

will think of u as a SISSY . .

if u have a tough rep . . u could maybe

lose some of that distinction . .

they wont be attracted to u . .

OH no . . but they will think of u as

a weak FAG . .


# 4 GAY GUYS might become attracted to

u . .


# 5 if u go to a club . .

and ur wearing copulins . .


guys around the club will consider

u the weaker alpha male . .

and we all know that clubs are all about

chiks and fights . .

its always a good thing to show the other groups that ur not the type that wants to messed with . .


copulins might take some of that

( distinction away )

So Lets see . . Copulins might

attract gay and Bi chicks

but look at all the downsides . .


and for business applications . .

I dont see any plus in wearing copulins . .


u will receive Less respect from the

other guys . .


What do u think . .

oscar
10-16-2001, 03:02 PM
Matt,

There\'s a slight hole in your logic. Gay guys supposedly aren\'t going to be attracted to Copulins. Whenever a gay male or female seeks advice on which product(s) to wear, he or she is routinely told to wear the product appropriate to his or her own sex. The premise being that a gay is looking (or sniffing) for someone of his or her OWN sex.

Any guy, straight or gay, is more likely to attract gay males wearing P10, TE, PI, NPA, or any of the other male products. Think about it, they are NOT sniffing around for pussy!

Theoretically, males wearing Copulins may be employing a sort of \"gay repellant\".

No offense to anyone intended. Just a theory.
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**DONOTDELETE**
10-16-2001, 06:37 PM
Yep I know I know . . l o l . .

I wrote it fast . . and when I

RE read it now . .

I TOTALLY see the mistake . .

I was like . . how the **** did I write

that . . l o l . I mean I usually dont make mistakes . .

but ur absolutely right . .

it is protection againt gays . .

( no offence )


But EVERYTHING ELSE is Absolutely 100 %

in line with wha t copulins do . .


I guess the only gay that would be attracted to u would be a lesbian girl . .


So what do u guys think of what I said

I mean . . I might buy w PI

someday to test it . . but those other

facts that I\'ve listed sort of scare Me

from wearing any cops . .


since u CANT CANT CANT have a sissy image


no matter how many threesome bitches

u get . .


and anyway wouldn \' t N O L

open the door to bi girls ?

**DONOTDELETE**
10-16-2001, 06:39 PM
Hey w o . . guys what does

androsterone really do ?

I mean I heard it makes the NOL better

But lets say u would buy

the Pure 10 Mg NOL product . .


should u buy the PURE rone product too ?

is R O N E great for girls under 1 8 ?

or is it aggressive like NON E ?

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:07 PM
u know . . I thought that I posted

the PI and APC combo . .

when I was talking to ( w o )

on this thread . . though , maybe someone

posted before . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:16 PM
Hey is anyone still using alter ego+the edge in a combo, hey the forum club still has a special deal on that one, give it a go everyone and save yourself some money hey bruce give me at least a week before you change it so i can get my next order in images/icons/laugh.gif damn the aussie dollar needs to improve against the us currency

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:18 PM
L O L . ur right about that

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:19 PM
B T W never tried alter ego combined

with edge . . I\'ve tried Edge alone

not bad . . but since I just

spew of androstenone cause I \' m 17

and train 4 - 5 times a week


edge alone wont cut it . .


N O L will !

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:22 PM
What do u guys think of taking most of
the opportunities u get when a girl
shows signs of being attracted to u .
do u do what filo did . just sit there
or do u make an effort to go further ?

Cause I think pheromones are for CLOSING
the deal . . not little smiles here and there . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:26 PM
Exactly pheromones are still unknown mostly which gives new users the edge for years to come and if the anti pheromone lobby and religious types keep surpressing it then hey that means less people running around with it.

But it is an unfair advantage but we are the smart ones to use em and we gain all the associated advantages and benefits that come with it + lots of women images/icons/laugh.gif .

Am i stirring the pot enough already, nope ok more more more. he he

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:29 PM
Hey paul ! l o l .

ya it seems like we take our opportunities . .


and We both work different fields

I have tons of girls between

14 and 18 and also over 18 but not as many


and u got 17 to 80 . . bracket . .


So I guess what I \' m saying

is this is a Mob deal . .


u stay in ur bracket and I \'ll stay in

Mine . . lol . h a h a .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:34 PM
No way . . people are protesting against pheromones ! ??

do they want to make it illegal ?


I mean thats just dumb . .


Its not like we\'re forcing girls to be attracted . .


But I gotta tell u . . I hope pheromones

NEVER EVER R R reach Mainstream . .

and sell tons of products to many ppl


cause the Original pheromone users will

have tons of competition . .

I mean like My jock friends , .

I never tell them that I wear it

as far as they know its cologne

but as far as their mothers know its


CAT PISS BABY !

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:39 PM
lol not that bad just they dont accept it. Hey i got an idea you keep to north america and ill keep to australia and the rest of the world, that sounds fair or hey you can have o\'canada and ill take the rest of the world he he. Hey 14-17 a bit young for me anyway, youll take over my area soon lol images/icons/laugh.gif or teaming up is a good idea, that way they get a double hit of pheromones twice the trouble ha ha ha images/icons/laugh.gif ok enough dreaming now lol.

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 08:40 PM
lol not that bad just they dont accept it. Hey i got an idea you keep to north america and ill keep to australia and the rest of the world, that sounds fair or hey you can have o\'canada and ill take the rest of the world he he. Hey 14-17 a bit young for me anyway, youll take over my area soon lol images/icons/laugh.gif or teaming up is a good idea, that way they get a double hit of pheromones twice the trouble ha ha ha images/icons/laugh.gif ok enough dreaming now lol.

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 09:05 PM
Yes, pheromones are a big joke to mainstream America. A trick to cash in on lonely men. I hope it stays that way. Because if people took pheromones seriously they may actually get banned. People overact to everything here in America except things that may actually be harmful. images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
10-17-2001, 09:11 PM
But consider this jambat they would then have to ban all people from having sex and sweating even because remember this is the exact same stuff that we give out naturally just more concentrated so they might even have to ban people which would eliminate everyoone and defeat the purpose.

I guess the idea of the chicken and the egg comes in here.

You are right though we need those objective blind to reality types to keep pushing it back into the spotlight to give us that really know our stuff the advantage and all the women and sex right, ok thats it bring in the men in black all of us will become a corparation and drive all information about this stuff into above top secret and thats it.

rjm
10-17-2001, 11:53 PM
I *LIKE* that it\'s not particularly well-known. It gives ME an advantage over those around me. images/icons/laugh.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 06:58 PM
Well I \' m leaving soon to the carribean so I will post probably

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 06:59 PM
in 2 weeks

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 07:00 PM
should be many chicks around the beach and resorts . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 07:01 PM
which = a good testing ground . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 07:03 PM
So I \'ll try some pheroes around there and notice the reactions

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 07:04 PM
should be interesting . . also will try the discos

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 07:05 PM
My goal is to get more girls than all of the posting I\'ve done on this thread . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 07:06 PM
I also notice that when chiks drink they notice the pheroes more . .

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 07:07 PM
Well thats it gotta jet . .


Hey . . this is a great way to increase the number of posts !

seems to be the new trend of the forum !

**DONOTDELETE**
10-20-2001, 08:11 PM
A trend it was just me running amok trying to get some discussion on new fronts going, consider it a creativity exercise, but its had the oppoosite effect everythings gone real quite again oh well back to the old drawing board lol, or maybe everyone is just digesting what ive come out with, good ideas on testing grounds for the newbies though.