View Full Version : Provigil (Modafinil) The SUPER Drug
Phantom
03-21-2004, 07:58 AM
I
was recently prescribed this for narcolepsy (a condition characterized by brief attacks of deep sleep or rather for
me.. heavy partying and hangover\'s, too much homework, studying and girls, causing me to burn out
syndrome...).
Well this stuff is great... I think my IQ has gone up at least 50 or 60 points, i\'m doing 4
weeks of work daily without a sweat, I feel good and playfull, I can concentrate on lectures 2 hours+ about garbage
no one cares about and actually find it interesting and compelling, my jealous tendencies are practically gone,
coming up with things to say when flirting with a girl i\'ve never seen before has become easier than pie,
increased dream recall (whole lot of sexually explicit dreams), workout motivation has increased (I have the
motivation to run 4-6 miles a day as I used to in the past), I lost about 15 pounds (back to my old weight), food no
longer has a hold of me, I can actually refuse food now without a sweat... no matter how good it looks.
It made
me nauseas for the first two days but thats it.. no other side effects, it\'s literally the perfect drug. You may
of heard of its cousin Adrafinil, I never tried that one before but i\'ve heard that Adrafinil is like a
\"beta-version\" compared to the final product (Modafinil). They literally ironed out all the kinks of Adrafinil
to make Modafinil (Provigil).
You can get Adrafinil without a prescription, you should checkout the Provigil
vault at (
http://www.erowid.org/smarts/modafinil/modafinil.s
html (\"http://www.erowid.org/smarts/modafinil/modafinil.shtml\") ).
Elana
03-21-2004, 07:59 AM
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increased dream recall (whole lot of sexually
explicit dreams),
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care to share?
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Phantom
03-21-2004, 08:10 AM
There\'s too many.... there was one where I got overly friendly with a escort gal but was\'nt able to pay (I
think I was watching seinfeld before hit the hay, ever see the episode where they callup that prostitute?? mines was
1000 better looking though.....).
Phantom
03-23-2004, 06:49 PM
Anyone try or research this drug or it\'s cousin? i\'m on week 2 and there is no sign of it wearing off ect...
boy am I getting A\'s lol
You can get it\'s cousin Adrafinil for cheap.. here\'s some online smart drug
stores.
http://nubrain.zoovy.com/ (\"http://nubrain.zoovy.com/\")
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/nubrain-store/gensym-298.html (\"http://shop.store.yahoo.com
/nubrain-store/gensym-298.html\")
http://www.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/adrafinil.htm (\"http://ww
w.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/adrafinil.htm\")
Hopes this
can change someones life
I\'ve done some research on it. I have a doctor\'s appointment Thursday... I\'m going to see if I can get it
prescribed. It actually sounds like it\'ll help -- I\'m tired almost all of the time, sleep too much (during
weird day hours.. and thus miss class), and feel \"burnt out,\" mostly due to being so behind on schoolwork and
not catching up.
burgerama1960
03-31-2004, 12:42 PM
phantom, so does this stuff work on the same level as a strong cup of coffee without the jitters? Boy
the modafinil is really expensive hope insurance covers it.
Phantom
03-31-2004, 05:25 PM
Basically, but it lasts a hell of alot longer than a few cups of coffee. I accidentally took twice of my daily dose
one mourning, the next day I could still feel the effects from the other day. This lasted 3 days (I did\'nt get
any sleep either only on the night of the third day) At the forth day I took my regular dose.
Oh yea I would like
to report that this drug has completely taken away my desire to smoke (I only smoked for two weeks (on a daily
basis, 3-4 cigs) but I wouldn\'t of stopped if it weren\'t for this).
I also have lost the desire to eat
sweets, carbonated soda\'s ect.. anything with refined sugars, basically anything that is not natural. I can stop
eating if I feel full (even in a buffet lol). I would recommend taking this with food cause it might cause nausea in
the first few days.
Side effects from the higher (accidental) dosage (400mg)were; no desire to sleep (at all), I
felt completely full (food wise) 24x7 and increased nausea.
No anxiety or jitters at all, even at the higher
dosage. Pretty safe stuff.
Disclaimer..
Anything above is not to be taken as medical advice. Only a
Professional in this feild is qualified to give that kind of information.
apple
03-31-2004, 05:33 PM
ok
im gonna go ask my Dr about this stuff! i sleep WAY too freakin much, i try to get normal 8 hours but alarms HA they
never wake me up o_O its just not right! lacking energy sucks!!!!! if this works as well for me as you guys then
damn i can finally get stuff done when i want to instead of dozing off too often
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bundyburger
03-31-2004, 06:42 PM
Phantom,
Sure you just haven\'t done a \"George\" and stopped having sex or masturbating
for a couple of weeks. I here that increases your IQ too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ...the
drug maybe suppressing your day-time sexual erges. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
burgerama1960
03-31-2004, 06:48 PM
This stuff is like 160.00 for 30 pills which only lasts 15 days. It is not cheap.
DZorro
04-01-2004, 10:44 AM
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Anyone try or research this drug or it\'s cousin?
i\'m on week 2 and there is no sign of it wearing off ect... boy am I getting A\'s lol
You can get it\'s
cousin Adrafinil for cheap.. here\'s some online smart drug
stores.
http://nubrain.zoovy.com/ (\"http://nubrain.zoovy.com/\")
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/nubrain-store/gensym-298.html (\"http://shop.store.yahoo.com
/nubrain-store/gensym-298.html\")
http://www.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/adrafinil.htm (\"http://ww
w.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/adrafinil.htm\")
Hopes this
can change someones life
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Wish i had this stuff, when still at
school, could have really used this stuff back then, maybe i would have gotten even better grades i have
now.
DZorro,
Phantom
04-01-2004, 12:43 PM
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Phantom,
Sure you just haven\'t done a
\"George\" and stopped having sex or masturbating for a couple of weeks. I here that increases your IQ too.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ...the drug maybe suppressing your day-time sexual erges.
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Actually the stuff has lowered my sex drive. But when I actually do have
sex, the stamina is unbelievable.
PHP 87
04-01-2004, 09:11 PM
I
just ordered Adrafinil, which is less costly.
I\'ll post my results after test driving it.
bundyburger
04-02-2004, 05:15 AM
Modafinil damages the 4th chakra!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
http://ww
w.astrologycom.com/energydoc3.html (\"http://www.astrologycom.com/energydoc3.html\")
Phantom
04-02-2004, 11:26 AM
\"If she ever wondered about Modafinil, the doctors would assure her that it couldn\'t be the cause -
because, after all, their instruments can\'t detect a chakra, let alone when one is damaged - although a graduate
of one of our 2-day Healing Energy Awareness Trainings can. And, in the words of a scientifically-trained
acquaintance of ours, \"If I can\'t measure it [with an instrument], it doesn\'t exist\" - presumably he
wouldn\'t have felt cold before someone dreamt-up the first thermometer...\"
This guy just wants you to buy
his book /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif lol.
DrSmellThis
04-02-2004, 12:56 PM
Chakras are real on a very mundane level. They are just the places where energy gathers on/in your
body. No big deal. Anybody can feel them with their hands any time, if they slow down enough to check it out.
It\'s not a spiritual thing, necessarily. If energy wasn\'t real no work would ever get done. I hate that
Chakras were made into some New-Agey thing. Of course, that doesn\'t mean this drug damages that, but maybe it
does.
Holmes
04-02-2004, 02:34 PM
Those dragons should do some research.
Holmes
PHP 87
04-10-2004, 07:15 PM
Got the Adrafinil yesterday and it rocks!
I\'ll do a write up later this week.
xxxPantero
04-30-2004, 10:29 PM
Why don\'t you try temporarily dropping one activity from your life and sleeping 10-11 hours each night for a few
weeks, along with a 30-minute nap during the day. Your body is telling you that it\'s tired. Maybe you
shouldn\'t force it to stay up.
DrSmellThis
05-01-2004, 09:18 AM
Chronic fatigue and sleepiness are often caused by food allergies and/or microbial overgrowth (e.g.,
candida) in the intestines.
xxxPantero
05-01-2004, 03:12 PM
Well, there\'s no one ideal diagnosis that fits everyone. Good luck on that, and I hope one day you won\'t need
any meds. I need meds for my eyes, which are always dry, so I want a way to beat it without meds, but until then,
VISINE.
Phantom
05-04-2004, 05:21 PM
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Chronic fatigue and sleepiness are often caused by
food allergies and/or microbial overgrowth (e.g., candida) in the intestines.
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class=\"post\"> You should include a little \"im not a doctor, this is not to be taken as medical advice\"
disclaimer...... but I agree with you, I go on a complete Liquid Juice diet (Veggies and Fruits) every 3 months for
a week. You\'ll be supprised what you \"excrete\", also /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif, I
feel mighty refreshed and vibrant at the end of the week. A good \"Colon Cleansing\" supplement might help also.
Bruce
05-20-2004, 10:42 AM
http://www.qhi.co.uk (\"http://www.qhi.co.uk\")
The price is better there. Still not cheap.
B
HB_88
06-22-2004, 08:54 PM
I've
been watching the Modafinil thread hoping for an update. Is Modafinil still working for you? I've never taken it,
myself.
Tried to send this as a PM, but I got an error message.
Thanks,
HB_88
STANDARD
DISCLAIMER: Nothing I ever say, here or anywhere else, constitutes medical advice.
Modafinil, Adrafinil belong to a
group of drugs called 'Nootropil' or 'Smart drugs' as someone coined. Personally, I find Modafinil and
Adrafinil, glorified caffeine pills, brain stimulants but mild. Believe me I have popped the best in the
name of knowledge. I have even tried 'piracetam', the 'daddy O' of the group. Rubbish! I say rubbish.
Sometimes who or where you buy these drugs from influence their potency some stronger than others. But you
have not tried anything yet until you have tried a now banned substance called FENCANFAMINE by Merck, sold as
REACTIVAN. If you have not tried this well my friends, what can I say...
Numanoid
08-21-2004, 04:25 AM
But you have not
tried anything yet until you have tried a now banned substance called FENCANFAMINE by Merck, sold as REACTIVAN. If
you have not tried this well my friends, what can I say...
Why was it banned? What type of side
effects did it cause?
Well! It was banned because some
clever humanitarian bureaucrats thought lets ban it for 'Ethical' or even 'Moral' reasons. These
'Ethical reasons' being that it had one major side effect which was a loss of appetite; that being the
physical desire especially for food it could also have other side effects that weren't documented, who knows?
Anyway, Guess what? Merck was only marketing the drug in Africa and Pakistan where food storage is a problem. Now,
you should guess the rest... They saw this as unhumane! Also it was used
and abused by most univeristy students in these countries. But believe me if you say Modafinil is a SUPER drug.
Then REACTIVAN AS A DRUG, IS INDEED TRANSCENDENTAL!:angel:
Mike413
08-31-2004, 10:42 PM
I've been taking adrafinil
(Olmifon) and piracetam (Nootropil) for about a month now and I can't say they are that great for me. The
adrafinil didn't help me stay awake as well as i'd like (i fell asleep), and I can't say I have noticed any
improved cognitive effects from either that couldn't be explained as some sort of placebo affect. I didn't really
take a series of i.q. tests before and after to judge if they are giving me any really benefit, so if they are
helping its not a substantial enough difference for me to notice.
Reactivan sounds interesting but I haven't
ever seen any one carry it. Are there any online sources that sell it?
Reactivan! Nope...It
seems you can't get it anyway since it’s now considered an illegal narcotic.
ismellgood
09-09-2004, 02:54 PM
I tried Reactivan a dozen
years ago (bought it in Thailand -- the cool pharmacist liked it too). It had a pleasant amphetamine-like effect,
but without the awful crash that amphetamine produces when it wears off. Last I heard it was still available in some
countries.
Reactivan!
Well! I guess it might
just be available in some countries but its illegal in Europe and also it's not something you can just order via
mail. One will have to travel to these countries and in some cases even use it there. Brilliant, isn't it?
einstein
09-09-2004, 07:10 PM
For a free directory of offshore
companies that ship some unapproved medications to Americans, write to:
International Society for Free Choice
9
Dubnoc Street
64368 Tel Aviv, Israel
I don't know if they have info on reactivan or not. I've seen them
listed in connection with aminoguanidine, ribavirin, and clodronate. I heard about them from Life Extension
Foundation, so I'm pretty sure its not a cover for the FDA or DEA.
It will be rather
interesting to find a company that still sells or ships Reactivan. When I last traced it down a few years back it
was carried by a South African Company who promptly ceased shipping it due to the ban. Strange
though, is the fact that FDA allows the sale of certain Smart Drugs via mail especially if it is for personal use
but certainly not Reactivan that contains the ban substance Fencamfamin. However I would buy it if I
could find it…As Modafinil does not compare!
evon610
10-13-2004, 12:01 AM
Are these drugs considered
stimulants? Do they have some of the same side effects such as anxiety, cold, hands, body chills, and/or loss of
diet?
TheViking
10-13-2004, 07:26 AM
Hmm.. I have no idea about
this, but i would be weary about using them if they didn't have the side effect "hands" :rofl:
Of course they are
stimulants! Naturally they have side effects.
Now tell me. what
drug or stimulant hasn't got side effects?
But surely you would not take them for there side effects, would you?
evon610
10-13-2004, 08:35 PM
Of course
they are stimulants! Naturally they have side effects.
Now tell me. what drug or
stimulant hasn't got side effects?
But surely you would
not take them for there side effects, would you?haha funny! I never said or implied that
drugs do not carry side effect.... Of course they do! I simply asked if the mentioned drugs carry the side effects
of
amphetamines/stimulants, as I was not sure on the classification of the above mentioned drugs.
...
Thanks for the clarification though.
Mike413
10-14-2004, 07:08 AM
Do they have some
of the same side effects such as anxiety, cold, hands, body chills, and/or loss of diet?Possibile side
effects from Modafinil as listed on drugdigest.org:
Rare:
•chest pain
•diarrhea (severe), or
vomiting
•difficulty breathing or shortness of breath
•heart palpitations, irregular heartbeat, or a fast
heartbeat
•increased blood pressure, particularly if you have high blood pressure
•skin rash, itching, hives, or
other allergic reactions
•sore throat, fever, or chills
•tremor or shaking movements
More
common:
•headache
•nausea, mild diarrhea, or stomach upset
•nervousness
Less common:
•decreased
appetite
•depressed or elevated mood, anxiety, or other changes in your moods or emotions
•dizziness
•dry mouth
or skin
•trouble sleeping at
night
http://www.drugdigest.org/DD
/DVH/Uses/0,3915,550410%7CModafinil,00.html (http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Uses/0,3915,550410%7CModafinil,00.html)
Icehawk
02-27-2005, 07:45 PM
OK, im confused when researching
this, whats better? Modafinil or Piracetam???? and can anyone link to Reactivan or no???
Mike413
02-27-2005, 08:37 PM
OK, im confused
when researching this, whats better? Modafinil or Piracetam???? and can anyone link to Reactivan or no???It
seems hard to get much info on reactivan and its even more difficult to find a source. Modafinil can be acquired,
but requires (or at least legally requires) a prescription here in the U.S. Piracetam can be acquired with no
prescription at most online supplement stores that cater to life extensionists, body builders, and those interested
in smart drugs.
As for what's better... kinda like comparing apples and oranges and how they affect you
personally. Modafinil was designed to treat sleep narcolepsy or something like that and can function as a nifty
stimulant that can allow you stay up for days without acquiring sleep debt... Piracetam can't do that. To make
things even more complicated you may want to look into anirectam and pramiracetam as well.
I don't know if it
in bad taste for me to post links to other forums, but there are much more knowledgable people over on the avantlabs
and imminst.org forums for this kind of talk. I know absolutely nothing compared to what the regulars over there
know.
-mike
Well! Piracetam had a
lot of hype as the original Nootropic.
I tried it and thought that felt no
different apparently you have to take loads of grams to feel any effect. I wouldn't waste time with it. You can
also find another variant of it that’s stronger, marketed under a different name of course. I enjoyed Modafinil as a
learning aid well its only a temporary stimulant and I bet you can get the same effect from strong freshly brewed
coffee as for side effects probably if you took an incredible amount maybe but its mild really.
Reactivan however, is in a league of its own while
Piracetam and Modafinil belong to a group of durgs called ''Nootropic', a greek work for brain
food or something''. Available in some countries via post.
Reactivan! Now thats the big daddy of them all its purely
known as a Narcotic, on the banned list of course, it used to be produced by a Germany company, sold purely
in African and some Asian countries as far as I am aware of, it is as rare as Mermaids.
With Reactivan your brain becomes a super absorber and
you lick up knowledge, as butter slides on a hot knife, easy. “Pure genius!”
deepblue
03-15-2005, 06:31 PM
I've seen all this stuff and
more online and I want to give it a try. Aniracetam, Idebenone, Adrafinil, and centrophenoxine look interesting.
Anyone used any of those?
How about that Adrafinil update??
TheViking
03-17-2005, 01:01 AM
Hallois
I'm also
interested in trying some of these. Any of them available in Australia?
Visionary7903
03-17-2005, 01:58 AM
Hi
Im in Oz and most of
that stuff isnt available down under. You can obtain though, in the health food shops, herbal supplements that
improve things like memory and focus such as Gingko Biloba, Bacopa, Gotu Kola, and the phospholipid Phosphatidyl
Serine. Ive also found that large doses of Vitamin B1(Thiamine) (over 300 mg at a time to be taken with a full range
Vitamin B-Complex) to be very effective at improving focus on reading tasks. There is a smart drug available in the
US and Europe called Sulbutiamine which is a Vitamin B1 derivative. Anyway u can buy the nootropics from overseas:
www.qhi.co.uk (http://www.qhi.co.uk/) is a source I use.
As for Piracetam and Modafinil I have tried
them both and neither are my favourite nootropics. Piracetam can be awesome for creative thinking but my problem
lies more in attention / focus/ adhd type issues. For Piracetam to work best you need to take Piracetam with a
choline source such as Soy Lecithin or Alpha GPC and I think large doses of Vitamin B5 are also necessary to take
with this so as to ramp up Acetylcholine production for Piracetam to do its magic. However keep in mind that a lot
of people find that Piracetam can make them tired and unfocused at times (me included).
Centrophenoxine is
related to DMAE but more powerful. For me I like it because it increases my willpower and motivation. Pramiracetam,
a Piracetam derivative, is another one of my favourites as it really can make me more motivated and
focused.
Modafinil keeps me very awake however it doesnt seem to focus me which makes sense as it is primarily a
drug designed to treat narcolepsy.
Hope this detailed info helps
Visionary
deepblue
03-23-2005, 08:38 PM
Sulbutiamine sounds interesting
but I didn't find it on that site you mentioned. In fact I couldn't find that ingredient all by itself anyplace.
Any ideas?
How long after you take Modafinil do you notice it? If you were tired when you took it, would
you be tired an hour from then?
Visionary7903
03-23-2005, 11:23 PM
If ur looking for
Sulbutiamine search under the name 'Arcalion' - that is another name for the drug.
www.Smi2le.biz (http://www.Smi2le.biz) sells very cheap Sulbutiamine in powder form although reviews are
very mixed as to the business' service and delivery.
Modafinil is a powerful drug in my experience and you
notice the effects immediately. The effects last most of the day however if u keep taking it tolerance will develop
and ull feel the effects less and less. In that case discontinue use for a while and use it again later. Another
strategy is to cut a 100 mg pill into two approx 50 mg pieces and take one with breakfast and one later in the day.
This seems to make the 'awake' effect more even during the day.
Hope this helps
Visionary
PHP 87
03-24-2005, 07:18 PM
Here's my update, about a year
late:
The Adrafinil worked great for the first couple of days, then the effect became less apparant as the
days went on, and within a week, nothing.
deepblue
03-24-2005, 07:32 PM
Thanks for the input on that. I
read the advert for smi2le.biz ... apparently he got busted by the FDA last year for ?something? and his business
efficiency hasn't been the same ever since. They mentioned that packages are sent months after an order, etc. At
least that is what I read about it in Google Groups. Too bad too because his prices look like the best out there.
I wonder why the FDA wanted him?
einstein
03-25-2005, 10:44 AM
I've seen somewhere that
Sulbutiamine is a fat-soluble version of B1. Any body know how this compares to benfotiamine? Benfotiamine is a
fat-soluble B1 that was developed in Japan in the 50's. I already use a benfotiamine product, I'm wondering if it
would be worth trying to get some sulbutiamine.
Visionary7903
03-25-2005, 03:48 PM
I've seen
somewhere that Sulbutiamine is a fat-soluble version of B1. Any body know how this compares to benfotiamine?
Benfotiamine is a fat-soluble B1 that was developed in Japan in the 50's. I already use a benfotiamine product,
I'm wondering if it would be worth trying to get some sulbutiamine.
If I were u I would not bother with
Sulbutiamine because of two reasons:
- High doses of simple water-soluble Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) - 400 mg at a time
or more taken alongside a B Complex (B50) pill have given me and at least one other person I know a pronounced
nootropic effect (largely increased focus on reading tasks although we both felt quite introverted as a result).
-
Two experts on other forums have stated that taking Sulbutiamine is no different really to taking high doses of
Thiamine.
- Sulbutiamine is hard to find on its own now.
Id just go to the Vitamin Shop and buy a B50 Complex
and as well buy Vitamin B1 pills - the B Vitamins need to be taken together of course. Take the two together with a
meal making sure ur taking 400 mg or more of Vitamin B1 at a time.
Hope this helps
Visionary
Mike413
04-26-2005, 06:38 AM
I heard on another forum that
sulbutiamine is in stock
at:
http://customnutritionwarehous
e.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=172 (http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=172)
I don't have the cash for it right now, but I'd be interested
to hear any of your experiences with it if you try it out.
surfs_up
04-26-2005, 09:34 AM
there is a rather large group of the allitiamines, these are complex forms of thiamine, some of them have
particular effects suited to nutritional problems, etc. Among them are sulbutiamine, prosultiamine, benfotiamine.
There are plenty of others. Unlike plain old vitamin B-1 thiamine, a water soluble molecule, the allithiamines (such
as sulbutiamine) are fat soluble and will raise the effective absorbtion of thiamine much higher than ordinary B-1
possibly can. The allitiamines will cross the blood brain barrier more efficiently and they will be excreted more
slowly. In some cases they will dramatically increase the production of a class of enzymes known as the
Transketolases. Benfotiamine, a cousin of Sulbutiamine, is used to treat diabetics as it makes blood sugar less
toxic, so can held prevent diabetic blindness and nerve pain. Prosultiamine is often given to chronic alcoholics to
prevent B-1 deficiency disease, as alcoholics do not absord B-1 well, even if they take standard vitamin
supplements. As thiamine is intimately involved with glucose metabolism, and the neurons are major consumers of
glucose as an energy source, it is hypothesized that Sulbutiamine somehow allows the brain cells (neurons and
astocytes mainly) tp process more glucose more quickly. Like improving you car's fuel intake system. Vitamin B-1
requires a co-factor to work, this is known as R-Alpha Lipoic acid (many commercial products are "racemic", equal
parts L- and R- forms, and not as effective as the pure R- form)... It may be the case that a vitamin analog like
Sulbutiamine may produce a better result if taken with its' Lipoic acid co-factor. Be warned, though, Sulbutiamine
has been associated with excruciating headaches and nausea if more that 200 mg. is taken at one time. This may be
due to blood vessel dilation causing a condition similar to a bad migraine headache.
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