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As far as I know, phero
is sensed by human\'s VNO unconsciously . Imaging there are two guys, A and B, standing close to a girl. A has
phero on his body, B has nothing. If the girl is attracted by the phero, is it possible for her VNO to \'tell\'
her that phero is from A?
I\'m thinking about this question because in a crowded environment, e.g. bus, night
club, if I\'m wearing phero, how could other people know the phero is from me but not some other guys?
belgareth
03-17-2004, 06:33 AM
That\'s a good
argument for the \'Less is Better\' philosophy. If you are wearing so much that you create a cloud, others will
benefit from it at your expense. Keeping the dose low enough that only a person close to you is likely to detect it
will increase the chance that you will be seen as the source. I don\'t think there is any way to prevent it from
happening all the time but the real point is to do whatever you can to increase your chances of attracting somebody.
or you can get away
with wearing more if you are the most interesting, confident, playful guy around (maybe alpha?)
I only think
TM\'s theory of a \"phero cloud\" is for big, major OD\'s.
belgareth
03-17-2004, 07:47 AM
I wasn\'t
referring to TM\'s theory. Rather to the simple concept of diffusion in a gaseous medium.
Mad_Doc
03-17-2004, 09:34 AM
I\'ve often
wandered about this and women do somtimes seem to have an uncany way of sensing the wearer, even at a fair distance.
Their was a thread a while ago about binocular smelling (at least I think its called that). Basically in this theory
your brain is able to disern where the pheromomens are coming from by comparing the input its getting from each
seperate nostril.
Sagacious1420
03-17-2004, 12:11 PM
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or you can get away with wearing more if you are
the most interesting, confident, playful guy around (maybe alpha?)
I only think TM\'s theory of a \"phero
cloud\" is for big, major OD\'s.
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Why do you say that?
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Sagacious1420
03-17-2004, 12:19 PM
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That\'s a good argument for the \'Less is
Better\' philosophy. If you are wearing so much that you create a cloud, others will benefit from it at your
expense. Keeping the dose low enough that only a person close to you is likely to detect it will increase the chance
that you will be seen as the source. I don\'t think there is any way to prevent it from happening all the time but
the real point is to do whatever you can to increase your chances of attracting somebody.
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Excellent point Bel!
Sagacious1420
03-17-2004, 12:38 PM
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or you can get away with wearing more if you are
the most interesting, confident, playful guy around (maybe alpha?)
I only think TM\'s theory of a \"phero
cloud\" is for big, major OD\'s.
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One thing that you may
want to consider is that a dosage which may be detected by or attractive to your target at a greater distance is
gonna be overwhelming in close proximity. Pretty much defeats the purpose.
Keep in mind that ODs are a matter
of degrees. In my experience, a truly major OD will clear the place out and rather quickly at that. Whether or not
anyone attributes it to you is irrelevent, they just sense an uncomfortable vibe and remove themselves from the
environment.
Sagacious1420
03-17-2004, 12:40 PM
Phil-
I
completely understand your question/concern. Don\'t sweat it too much...when you\'re wearing an appropriate
dose of a good product/mix, they\'ll know. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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I\'ve often wandered about this and women do
somtimes seem to have an uncany way of sensing the wearer, even at a fair distance. Their was a thread a while ago
about binocular smelling (at least I think its called that). Basically in this theory your brain is able to disern
where the pheromomens are coming from by comparing the input its getting from each seperate nostril.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> we´re good good huh /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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ne thing that you may want to consider is that a dosage which may be detected by or attractive to your target
at a greater distance is gonna be overwhelming in close proximity. Pretty much defeats the purpose.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> exactly. A phero OD in that sense is pretty much like a perfume OD
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As far as I know, phero is sensed by human\'s VNO
unconsciously . Imaging there are two guys, A and B, standing close to a girl. A has phero on his body, B has
nothing. If the girl is attracted by the phero, is it possible for her VNO to \'tell\' her that phero is from A?
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Yes. Chances are there´s something she likes more about B and the
mones will make her focus her attention on the more likely (for her) choice ie the type-wise or/and enhance the
attraction already there.
However, what can also happen is that a person picking the mones up will sort of look
around and eventually spot the moner.
Either of those things are possible
CJ
bundyburger
03-17-2004, 02:40 PM
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However, what can also happen is that a person
picking the mones up will sort of look around and eventually spot the moner.
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\"moner\"... I Like your use of the word. Reminds me a lot of \"stoner\" though dude.
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I beg to differ.
Tonight, I was definitely ODing. I wore 4 dabs PI, 3 drops AE, 2 (AE dropper) size NPA/m, 2 (AE dropper) size NPA/w
and 3 dabs WAGG.
Went to bar. Met pretty girl and spent about 20 minutes talking v close. Could have had a kiss
close. She was up for it.
Dancing good, but but as good as I\'ve had. Maybe I was wearing too much
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif responses still OK though.
ODs are not as bad as everyone makes
out. Or maybe its just me. ODs are not that bad. Come on, I was well over the limit, yet I had good results. Not as
good as normal, but hey, still very good.
I think its a case of being the dominant male. If you are the most
interesting, and confident male it doesnlt matter if you OD. Remember Phantom? He ODed big style and he still got
hits. Same with me. We need a retake of the whole OD thoeries and specularities.
Bottle
03-17-2004, 07:18 PM
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or you can get away with wearing more if you are the most interesting,
confident, playful guy around (maybe alpha?)
I only think TM\'s theory of a \"phero cloud\" is for big, major
OD\'s.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
One thing that you may want to consider is that a
dosage which may be detected by or attractive to your target at a greater distance is gonna be overwhelming in close
proximity. Pretty much defeats the purpose.
Keep in mind that ODs are a matter of degrees. In my experience, a
truly major OD will clear the place out and rather quickly at that. Whether or not anyone attributes it to you is
irrelevent, they just sense an uncomfortable vibe and remove themselves from the environment.
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nop not intirelyyyyy tru, I ve done test with delibrate big OD\'s these
past weeks..and no, people didnt just vanish..if anything they still talked to me..culture plays a bigger
role
[sorry for my bad spelling Im drun kright noww]
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I beg to differ. Tonight, I was definitely ODing. I
wore 4 dabs PI, 3 drops AE, 2 (AE dropper) size NPA/m, 2 (AE dropper) size NPA/w and 3 dabs WAGG.
Went to bar.
Met pretty girl and spent about 20 minutes talking v close. Could have had a kiss close. She was up for
it.
Dancing good, but but as good as I\'ve had. Maybe I was wearing too much
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif responses still OK though.
ODs are not as bad as everyone makes
out. Or maybe its just me. ODs are not that bad. Come on, I was well over the limit, yet I had good results. Not as
good as normal, but hey, still very good.
I think its a case of being the dominant male. If you are the most
interesting, and confident male it doesnlt matter if you OD. Remember Phantom? He ODed big style and he still got
hits. Same with me. We need a retake of the whole OD thoeries and specularities.
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class=\"post\">
Clearly you need more experience with pheros. As for being a dominate male........whatever, we
all have delusions to help us get by in life.
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Clearly you need more experience with pheros. As
for being a dominate male........whatever, we all have delusions to help us get by in life.
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Maybe I do need more experiences with pheros. But I\'ve been using them
for over a year. Bottle is right, culture plays a large part, and here in the UK, in bars people drink a lot and are
generally very friendly anyway.
delusions? Sorry, but I\'m just trying to help explain. Maybe I used the wrong
word. The fact that I do stand out more than others is there. No I don\'t go round being a jerk, being cocky etc.
But I am confident, more often than not, more than the people I hang out with. I take offence to what you said, you
saying its a delusion I have to \"help me get by in life.\" I can\'t change my personality and I don;t want to,
and I don\'t need to.
Sagacious1420
03-18-2004, 03:38 AM
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I beg to differ. Tonight, I was definitely ODing. I
wore 4 dabs PI, 3 drops AE, 2 (AE dropper) size NPA/m, 2 (AE dropper) size NPA/w and 3 dabs WAGG.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">I wouldn\'t consider this a major OD. You\'re looking at a total dose of
about 0.037 none (if you round up). You mention below that you consider this to be \"well over the limit\", but
that\'s not necessarily the case here...more likely in the range of a mild OD. I\'m sure you\'re also
familiar w/ the idea that a w/ a mild OD drunk women may find you \"strangely attractive\". If ppl are smoking in
the bar, then this may play a role as well...this has been discussed before, but I\'m sure you already know that.
And didn\'t you mention in a later post that \"in bars people drink a lot\".
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Went to bar. Met pretty girl and spent about 20 minutes talking v close.
Could have had a kiss close. She was up for it.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">I gotta wonder...is
your mention of close convo w/ this bird for 20 minutes intended to be a thinly veiled attempt to discredit what I
said about the \"close proximity/intimidation factor\". Should I, also, feel threatened by this and be defensive?
Doubtful...sorry to disappoint you. As others have stated, a mild OD (such as in your case) could result in her
feeling \"strangely attracted\" to you. I welcome you to test this dosage w/ a sober woman, observe her behavior,
look for signs of nervousness/being twitchy and report back. By your own admission, you don\'t have many
opportunities to test pheros so you may actually discover this reaction w/ sober (or at least relatively so) women.
I\'ve held 20-30 minute convos w/ women sporting a mild OD as well, but they exhibit body language that distinctly
signals a level of discomfort/intimidation. Maybe a sense of being overwhelmed is a better description. Try
testing your pheros in other environements and you\'ll likely see the same reactions w/ the same
dosage.
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Dancing good, but but as good as I\'ve
had. Maybe I was wearing too much /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif responses still OK
though.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">This statement begs the question \"do you really understand
what an OD is all about\"? Could it be possible that the dancing was not as good and responses seemed OK because
you were pissed? Not trying to bag on you here, but it sounds like you had a bit of a drunken night. Bully for
you! However, this could cloud your judgement. No? Besides, OK responses don\'t sound as promising as your posts
about better nights w/ lower doses. Right?
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ODs
are not as bad as everyone makes out. Or maybe its just me. ODs are not that bad. Come on, I was well over the
limit, yet I had good results. Not as good as normal, but hey, still very good.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">Did you not say \"ODing on none is not hard to do, i\'ve put on loads of PI and NPA at the same
time, and people do act in a negative way...\" and \"As regards to mixing: I\'m currently testing out a mix with
1PI: 1NPA/m : 1NPA/w : 1Wagg, this can only be done with a mix since if I were to apply a drop or even a dab of each
that would be too much in most circumstances....and why waste it?\" or \"Basically, when you OD, its not that the
girl(or guy) does not subconciously recognise it anymore. Its that the target\'s brain senses that there are way
too many pheros for a natural guy to produce, and so it sends out its own warning signals that something is wrong -
that the guy is not genuine.
I belive that if a graph of attraction (y axis) and pheros (x axis) was plotted, then
it would be a line which ascends initially (the more pheros you apply to a point the higher the attraction), then
levels out somewhat - a plateau with the optimum amount of pheros. But then the graph drops fairly sharply (OD) and
goes down into negative attractiveness on the y axis.\"
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I think its a case of being the dominant male. If you are the most
interesting, and confident male it doesnlt[sic] matter if you OD.
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Sorry, but I have to back OCP up on this one. You choose to declare yourself as a \"dominant male\" yet, by your
own admission, you didn\'t follow through on what you described as an easy kiss close. Doesn\'t sound very
alpha male to me. Perhaps the fact that you declared yourself as \"the dominant male\" yet didn\'t proceed w/
what you seemed to describe as a \"sure thing\" led OCP to give you a friendly ribbing about not closing the deal.
I mean, you said yourself that she was an attractive bird. I suppose that if you come off cocky sounding like that
but don\'t attempt to follow through, then you need to expect that.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Remember Phantom? He ODed big style and he still got hits. Same with
me.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">First of all, I don\'t think you should base your entire opinion
of Phantom merely on one thread/phase in his phero life...besides you\'ll find those who didn\'t quite take the
whole thing seriuosly. Did he manage to establish himself as a forum figure that way? Yes! However, I believe
that if you take a look at the majority of his posts you\'ll find him advising against none ODs as much as the
next person. Besides, based on your posts, you\'ve never come close to hitting the OD levels that he
\"supposedly \" reached. This merely tells me that you are attempting to align yourself w/ his \"image\" and
trust me you haven\'t. You\'ve never posted anything that comes close. Perhaps you should go back and reread
his older posts. If you\'d like, I could post them for you, but I think I should be kind and leave it as it lies,
so to speak.
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We need a retake of the whole OD
thoeries and specularities.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Should I remind you of some of your own
theories..why not? \"Basically, when you OD, its not that the girl(or guy) does not subconciously recognise it
anymore. Its that the target\'s brain senses that there are way too many pheros for a natural guy to produce, and
so it sends out its own warning signals that something is wrong - that the guy is not genuine.
I belive that if a
graph of attraction (y axis) and pheros (x axis) was plotted, then it would be a line which ascends initially (the
more pheros you apply to a point the higher the attraction), then levels out somewhat - a plateau with the optimum
amount of pheros. But then the graph drops fairly sharply (OD) and goes down into negative attractiveness on the y
axis\"
Btw, wtf is a specularity? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Sagacious1420
03-18-2004, 03:43 AM
Bottle-
Just exactly what would you define as a \"big OD\"? How much have you been using of which
products?
Look forward to your reply once you sober up, mate. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
bigdog
03-18-2004, 05:36 AM
OD can be negative.
I am a stocky, pretty well-built muscular guy. When I have too much none some people seem terrified of me. Some show
rage at me. Stage of OD can depend on body type, demeanor, situation among other factors.
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Went to bar. Met pretty girl and spent about 20
minutes talking v close. Could have had a kiss close. She was up for it.
Dancing good, but but as good as I\'ve
had. Maybe I was wearing too much responses still OK though.
ODs are not as bad as everyone makes out. Or maybe
its just me. ODs are not that bad. Come on, I was well over the limit, yet I had good results. Not as good as
normal, but hey, still very good.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> ODs are relative.
pico you´re
right, in bars, pubs and clubs and such places it is in fact recommended that you wear a higher dose than you
normally would and when you got the right amount which works it will therefore not be an OD. But it would often be
one in `normal´ everyday environments /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
bigdog
03-18-2004, 06:29 AM
With quite a bit of
none on in clubs in some cases not just relative. Those that have had much to drink can be affected by the none more
often.
bigdog
03-18-2004, 06:30 AM
Quite a bit of none
on in clubs sometimesnot just relative. Those that have had much to drink can be affected by the none more greatly.
bigdog
03-18-2004, 06:32 AM
Quite a bit of none
on in clubs sometimesnot just relative. Those that have had much to drink can be affected by the none more easily.
Sagacious1420
03-18-2004, 06:34 AM
lol
bigdog, I think you\'ve got the hiccups. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
bigdog
03-18-2004, 06:39 AM
I hit back on
broser and edited. That\'s why thrice. Sorry!
Sagacious1420
03-18-2004, 06:41 AM
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I hit back on broser and edited. That\'s why
thrice. Sorry!
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bigdog, I think you\'ve got the hiccups.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif he thinks we´re
stupid and won´t understand unless it´s repeated again and again and.....
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Sagacious1420
03-18-2004, 06:47 AM
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bigdog, I think you\'ve got the hiccups.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\"> /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif he thinks we´re stupid and won´t understand
unless it´s repeated again and again and..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">I may be slow, but I\'m not that slow.
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I wouldn\'t consider this a major OD. You\'re
looking at a total dose of about 0.037 none (if you
round up).
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class=\"post\">
Taking AE size drops to be 50 drops/ml = 0.02ml per AE drop
Taking dab volume = 60 dabs/ml =
0.01667ml per dab
4 dabs PI = 0.0333mg none
3 drops AE = 0.012mg none
2 AE drop size NPA/m = 0.0096mg none
2
AE drop size NPA/w = 0.0048mg none
total none = 0.0597mg none. It is generally considered that 0.04mg is an OD.
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I gotta wonder...is your mention of close
convo w/ this bird for 20 minutes intended to be a
thinly veiled attempt to discredit what I said about the
\"close proximity/intimidation factor\". Should I,
also, feel threatened by this and be defensive?
Doubtful...sorry to disappoint you.
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Not at all. I agree with
the close proximity/intimidation factor. I\'ve ODed more myself, read a reply I
made to \"rone and wagg\" on
the 17th march this year about a bigger OD where I had really negative
effects.
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As others have stated, a mild OD (such as in your case) could result in her
feeling \"strangely
attracted\" to you. I welcome you to test this dosage w/ a sober woman, observe her
behavior, look
for signs of nervousness/being twitchy and report back.
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class=\"post\">
I\'ve seen lots of OD symptoms in my year of phero use, but more so during the day to day
things at
university rather than going out.
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/>
By your own admission, you don\'t have many opportunities to test pheros so you may actually
discover
this reaction w/ sober (or at least relatively so) women.
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I
used to wear pheros every day at university (plenty of women). But I only wear them going out now, 1, for money
reasons, and 2, because I want to minimize phero buildup, as I get much better results if I use pheromones
occassionally.
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I\'ve held 20-30 minute
convos w/ women sporting a mild OD as well, but they exhibit body language
that distinctly signals a level of
discomfort/intimidation. Maybe a sense of being overwhelmed is a
better description. Try testing your pheros
in other environements and you\'ll likely see the same
reactions w/ the same dosage.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
have done. I\'ve seen my fair share of ODs, but as I said, nearly all of
them have been during day to day stuff, not going out, where its loud, smokey etc.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
This statement begs the question \"do you really understand what an OD is
all
about\"? Could it be possible that the dancing was not as good and responses seemed OK because
you
were pissed? Not trying to bag on you here, but it sounds like you had a bit of a drunken night.
Bully for
you! However, this could cloud your judgement. No? Besides, OK responses don\'t sound
as promising as your
posts about better nights w/ lower doses. Right?
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I don\'t
disagree, but I do not drink heavily due to health reasons anyway. I do have a few drinks, yes, but not enough to
cloud my judgement by much.
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Did you not say
\"ODing on none is not hard to do, i\'ve put on loads of PI and NPA at
the same time, and people do act in a
negative way...\" and \"As regards to mixing: I\'m currently
testing out a mix with 1PI: 1NPA/m : 1NPA/w :
1Wagg, this can only be done with a mix since if I were
to apply a drop or even a dab of each that would be too
much in most circumstances....and why
waste it?\"
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
With this mix
I was ODing on secret ingredients or there was too much WAGG. I was not ODing on none. I got best results with 2
dabs of this which I found very strange. In hindsight, I saw that if I wore 4-5dabs, I was wearing too much WAGG, or
had on too many secret ingredients to be effective. At the time I did not know this.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
or \"Basically, when you OD, its not that the girl(or guy) does not
subconciously recognise it
anymore. Its that the target\'s brain senses that there are way too many pheros for
a natural guy to
produce, and so it sends out its own warning signals that something is wrong - that the guy is
not
genuine.
I belive that if a graph of attraction (y axis) and pheros (x axis) was plotted, then it would be
a line
which ascends initially (the more pheros you apply to a point the higher the attraction), then levels out
somewhat - a plateau with the optimum amount of pheros. But then the graph drops fairly sharply (OD)
and
goes down into negative attractiveness on the y axis.\"
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I
satnd by what I said.
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Sorry, but I have to back
OCP up on this one. You
choose to declare yourself as a \"dominant male\" yet, by your own admission, you
didn\'t follow
through on what you described as an easy kiss close. Doesn\'t sound very alpha male to me.
Perhaps the fact that you declared yourself as \"the dominant male\" yet didn\'t proceed w/ what you
seemed to describe as a \"sure thing\" led OCP to give you a friendly ribbing about not closing the
deal.
I mean, you said yourself that she was an attractive bird. I suppose that if you come off cocky
sounding like
that but don\'t attempt to follow through, then you need to expect that.
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class=\"post\">
Thsi girl is someone on the same course as I am at university, although it was the first time
we\'d met (last night).
It is someone I\'d bump into more often. I just wanted to get to know her better. But,
she was showing very positive body language and flirting. I could have done more about it, but I chose not
to.
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First of
all, I don\'t think you should
base your entire opinion of Phantom merely on one thread/phase in his
phero life...besides you\'ll find those
who didn\'t quite take the whole thing seriuosly. Did he manage
to establish himself as a forum figure that
way? Yes! However, I believe that if you take a look at the
majority of his posts you\'ll find him advising
against none ODs as much as the next person. Besides,
based on your posts, you\'ve never come close to
hitting the OD levels that he \"supposedly \"
reached. This merely tells me that you are attempting to align
yourself w/ his \"image\" and trust me
you haven\'t. You\'ve never posted anything that comes close.
Perhaps you should go back and
reread his older posts. If you\'d like, I could post them for you, but I think
I should be kind and leave
it as it lies, so to speak.
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I only
mentioned Phantom briefly (not even a full line). If I wanted that image you describe (no offence to Phatom)
I
could easily go into detail about the times I\'ve gotten laid etc. But I have never posted a hit story like that
as writing
about something so intimate, to the public does not appeal to me.
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Should I remind you of some of your own theories..why not? \"Basically,
when you OD, its not that the girl(or guy) does not
subconciously recognise it anymore. Its that the target\'s
brain senses that there are way too many
pheros for a natural guy to produce, and so it sends out its own
warning signals that something is
wrong - that the guy is not genuine.
I belive that if a graph of attraction
(y axis) and pheros (x axis) was plotted, then it would be a line
which ascends initially (the more pheros you
apply to a point the higher the attraction), then levels out
somewhat - a plateau with the optimum amount of
pheros. But then the graph drops fairly sharply (OD)
and goes down into negative attractiveness on the y axis\"
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Yes, I stand by what I\'ve said.
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The noun for the verb, to speculate.
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scentinel
03-18-2004, 11:27 AM
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The noun for the verb, to speculate.
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The noun is
\"a speculation\", methinks.
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03-18-2004, 01:58 PM
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Bottle-
Just exactly what would you define as a
\"big OD\"? How much have you been using of which products?
Look forward to your reply once you sober up, mate.
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right
I\'m sober now...took me to midday to get there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
right on Sat
I mixed up, AE, TE, NPA and my cover of Issey M into atomiser (I guess its about 5ml)
something like AE:2 TE:2
NPA:0.5 Cover:5
[excuse me if the way I write that isnt the correct way]
and on sat I used 3 sprays of that
with some SOE gel on my wrists and had a good night.
Last night I used the same left over mix, did 5+ sprays
before going out and took the atomiser with me. I just checked the content now I\'m sober and there is only about
1/3 of it left...I must of been lashing it on last night when I was out and pissed
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a comment one of my mates said was \"youre scaring the girls
away\" hahaha
I did have a funny conversation with a girl, but I was well wasted at that point and even spilt
drink on her...anyway she enjoyed my company as she was prob bored.
There was a moment at the beggining of the
night in a club, where it seemed as if girls were starting ot hover arround and sorround me dancing and grinding, I
just laughed it off at the time.
Also one time a girl gave me a shy bit of eye contact whilst I was waiting at
the bar, she did this twice but It could of been nothing, I dont know, its hard for me to read that body language,
although she did look down and away, which I\'ve read is a good thing.
I had a better time on Sat with the
~mones and I didnt list the girls I scared away last night, hahaha
oh I nearly forgot, I was talking with a guy I
met in the club, in his car afterwards, and a girl in his car started to tell me how she was auditioning to work at
a strip club...haha bet he was pleased. If I was a tru dominate male I would of asked for her number right under his
nose, on hind sight I reckon I could of got away with it too...hahahaha punk
sounds like you had a
good night bottle!
well lets see how much you put on with 3 sprays which you said was good. This is only gonna be
a rough estimate though, since we don\'t know any exact values, but it might prove useful.
1 spray = 0.13ml
(approximately)
so 3 sprays = 0.39ml
your mix contains:
21% AE = 0.08ml = 0.016mg none, 0.012mg nol, 0.008mg
rone.
21% TE = 0.08ml = 0.0032mg none, 0.0032mg secret ingredients
5% NPA = 0.02ml = 0.0048mg none, 0.0048mg
secrets.
Therefore totals are:
0.024mg none
0.012mg nol
0.008mg rone
0.008mg secret ingredients
Well its
considered that 0.02mg is the \"right\" amount of none, so I would probably stick with 3 or 4 sprays. 4 sprays
would give you 0.032mg none, which I reckon is about perfect for a night out in the bar or in a pub. Maybe try
making up more of your mix and see what results you get? Do you have any WAGG? When I wear WAGG I get away with
using more none.
With the 5+ sprays you were using you had at least 0.04mg none, which I find is good for clubs.
But WAGG has made so much difference. Last year without it, I had much fewer hits it seemed. Strange how 2 dabs of
some liquid inside a bottle could make such a difference!
Anyway hope I\'ve helped!
Bottle
03-20-2004, 04:31 AM
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sounds like you had a good night bottle!
well
lets see how much you put on with 3 sprays which you said was good. This is only gonna be a rough estimate though,
since we don\'t know any exact values, but it might prove useful.
1 spray = 0.13ml (approximately)
so 3 sprays
= 0.39ml
your mix contains:
21% AE = 0.08ml = 0.016mg none, 0.012mg nol, 0.008mg rone.
21% TE = 0.08ml = 0.0032mg
none, 0.0032mg secret ingredients
5% NPA = 0.02ml = 0.0048mg none, 0.0048mg secrets.
Therefore totals
are:
0.024mg none
0.012mg nol
0.008mg rone
0.008mg secret ingredients
Well its considered that 0.02mg is the
\"right\" amount of none, so I would probably stick with 3 or 4 sprays. 4 sprays would give you 0.032mg none,
which I reckon is about perfect for a night out in the bar or in a pub. Maybe try making up more of your mix and see
what results you get? Do you have any WAGG? When I wear WAGG I get away with using more none.
With the 5+ sprays
you were using you had at least 0.04mg none, which I find is good for clubs. But WAGG has made so much difference.
Last year without it, I had much fewer hits it seemed. Strange how 2 dabs of some liquid inside a bottle could make
such a difference!
Anyway hope I\'ve helped!
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ah nice one
geeza,
I havnt yet learnt how to work all that out
and I\'ve just received some WAGG to try....need to get
me some PI so I can control my `none %, that wil ahve to wait though, for now.
anyway you lil breakdown was
interesting and useful....
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