Purer Ingredients From Lacroy [Archive] - Love-Scent Pheromones Forum

bjf

03-12-2004, 09:57 AM

Bruce:

Stone labs usesa more costly manufacturing process for their pheromones, making for less impurities?

Correct?

The impurities cause a lot of the pheromone stink from what I hve read. I have AFA from stone labs,

and it is 1:1 none:nol and it is virtually scentless.

I love lacroy\'s products, but the cat piss of te and

npa makes it harder to discreetly where it, and also you can\'t get away with as much. And in the process of

covering it, it is easy to scent OD.

I wouldn\'t mine paying an extra 5 bucks per product to get the

pheromones in their purer. The smell issues are annoying.

Bruce

03-13-2004, 05:43 AM

Even

after all these years in the business, I am still not sure what to make of this -pheromone smell is a question of

purity- position. I have the highest oppinion of Stone Labs and I know they stand on that platform or used to, but

as far as I can see, some pheromnes have a strong smell to them and some do not. You can\'t get that smell out

without destroying the pheromone. I will go so far as to say that that smell is your sign of purity; your signal

that you have the real deal there. Androstenone smells like urine for a reason, and that reason is that urine

smells like urine because of the androstenone in it. Urine smell and androstenone go together like water and

wet.

Animals smell the urine left by other animals and they can tell whether the animal is male or female, young

or old, agressive or passive, sexually active, and on and on all because urine has pheromones in it. I would be

very surprised to learn that you could somehow purify urine and expect it was still going to be able to do its

pheromone magic.

Specifically, about the AFA/Edge comparison: AFA contains NOL which in fact has very little

smell (regardless of whether you \"purify\" it or not) and Edge contains no NOL but rather other pheromones that

obviously do add to the \"bouquet\" as it were of the final brew. So, after years of hearing the occasional

argument that pheromones smell like urine because they have not been purified enough, I have yet to see/smell any

proof of that and simple reason would indicate otherwise.

Bruce

bjf

03-13-2004, 06:03 AM

From

biology stuff I have been reading, it was my understanding that all pheromones are odorless to begin with, and that

the bacteria interaction is what gives them their smell.

I guess one could ask the question, when does a

chemical become a working pheromone? Immediately after it is released to the skin (and still odorless?) or after it

interacts with bacteria (and starts gaining odor).

Whatever stone labs does is some good stuff...AFA still

has an A-none which barely smells. Granted it doesn\'t have the secret ingredient(s) but of every other pheromone

I have smelled, none is the only bad smelling stuff. A-1, rone, nol, wagg all seem to be okay. I even like the

smell of a-1.

When I keep reading pheromones are odorless chemicals, I think, it would be damn nice if we

could have them that way. Perhaps calling them odorless is wrong. But if they are odorless in their purest form

then impurities would seem to be the only thing that is making these things smell.

DrSmellThis

03-13-2004, 05:30 PM

LaCroy does focus on purity and pride themselves on it. The smelliest thing in Edge is neither -none nor a

-none impurity!

Good post, B!

MOBLEYC57

03-14-2004, 04:04 PM

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I will go so far as to say that that smell is your

sign of purity; your signal that you have the real deal there. Androstenone smells like urine for a reason, and

that reason is that urine smells like urine because of the androstenone in it. Urine smell and androstenone go

together like water and wet.

<hr /></blockquote>

Finally!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif An answer to what I\'ve been wanting to ask you, Bruce, for over

a year, but didn\'t want to start nutin\'...\"What if...greed for funds, the company starts putting less mones

in the products, than what\'s listed on the label? Who would ever know, as for as the users are concerned?\"

But, your statement cut on a light...the proof of those products are in their smell. Thanks!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Water and wet...

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Now, back to the original scheduled program, still in

progress...PURER INGREDIENTS........

CptKipling

03-16-2004, 04:03 PM

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From biology stuff I have been reading, it was my

understanding that all pheromones are odorless to begin with, and that the bacteria interaction is what gives them

their smell.

I guess one could ask the question, when does a chemical become a working pheromone? Immediately

after it is released to the skin (and still odorless?) or after it interacts with bacteria (and starts gaining

odor).

Whatever stone labs does is some good stuff...AFA still has an A-none which barely smells. Granted it

doesn\'t have the secret ingredient(s) but of every other pheromone I have smelled, none is the only bad smelling

stuff. A-1, rone, nol, wagg all seem to be okay. I even like the smell of a-1.

When I keep reading pheromones

are odorless chemicals, I think, it would be damn nice if we could have them that way. Perhaps calling them

odorless is wrong. But if they are odorless in their purest form then impurities would seem to be the only thing

that is making these things smell.

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If there is androstenone on

your skin, then it will work as a pheromone without bacteria.

The bacteria interaction stuff is about changing

other compounds into pheromones, so you might have one precurser compound that bacteria change into many pheromones.

The precurser isn\'t a pheromone in this case, but it can be (-nol is the precurser to -none for the -nol --->

-none reaction).

bjf

03-16-2004, 04:13 PM

Yes but do

secretions immediately have the moleculer structure of androstenone (or any other pheromone for that matter) or do

they become them once reactions start happening on the surface? Assuming the \"odorless\" statements are correct,

if the secretions aren\'t a pheromone when they first hit the surface, it is pretty much irralavent that they do

not smell, because they aren\'t transmitting signals either. If they are indeed working pheromones when they hit

the surface, then maybe pheromones are actually odorless in their purest form.

I have a feeling whoever is

writing the odorless statements in these textbooks and articles, etc, may not know what they are talking about,

however. But everthing is worth considering of course.

DrSmellThis

03-16-2004, 04:45 PM

Yes, many who write about -mones in public don\'t know what they are talking about.

Sagacious1420

03-16-2004, 06:37 PM

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If there is androstenone on your skin, then it will

work as a pheromone without bacteria.

<hr /></blockquote>Absolutely!

Purell?

Anyone ever see their hits fall off from preventing/limiting the presence of bacteria on the skin? Not me. But

then again, maybe it\'s just me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
The bacteria interaction stuff is about changing other compounds into

pheromones, so you might have one precurser compound that bacteria change into many pheromones. The precurser

isn\'t a pheromone in this case, but it can be (-nol is the precurser to -none for the -nol ---> -none

reaction).

<hr /></blockquote>Well said!

Sagacious1420

03-16-2004, 06:39 PM

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Yes, many who write about -mones in public don\'t

know what they are talking about.

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LOL!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Sagacious1420

03-16-2004, 06:54 PM

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Yes but do secretions immediately have the

moleculer structure of androstenone (or any other pheromone for that matter) or do they become them once reactions

start happening on the surface? Assuming the \"odorless\" statements are correct, if the secretions aren\'t a

pheromone when they first hit the surface, it is pretty much irralavent that they do not smell, because they

aren\'t transmitting signals either. If they are indeed working pheromones when they hit the surface, then maybe

pheromones are actually odorless in their purest form.

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Is it

possible that you may either be confusing two different issues or merely over complicating things?

Either way,

it\'s irrelevent to actually getting out there and putting your pheros to work.

Got a hit story I can borrow?

bjf

03-16-2004, 07:38 PM

sorry, I

can\'t explain it better than I already did. I am wondering if the so called \"odorless pheromones\" are just

hormone metabolites or whatever that haven\'t become pheromones at the moleculer level.

Sexyredhead

03-16-2004, 07:41 PM

bjf

03-16-2004, 07:46 PM

SRH, if

you think its fun to screw around, that\'s fine, but please play with someone else.

Sexyredhead

03-16-2004, 07:48 PM

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SRH, if you think its fun to screw around, but

please play with someone else.

<hr /></blockquote>

No, that\'s a serious

question. I don\'t get that part of what you said. Please explain.

bjf

03-16-2004, 07:50 PM

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SRH, if you think its fun to screw around, but please play with someone else.

<hr /></blockquote>

No, that\'s a serious question. I don\'t get that part of

what you said. Please explain.

<hr /></blockquote>

You being serious?

Sexyredhead

03-16-2004, 07:52 PM

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SRH, if you

think its fun to screw around, but please play with someone else.

<hr /></blockquote>

No, that\'s a serious question. I don\'t get that part of what you said. Please explain.

<hr /></blockquote>

You being serious?

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes. I don\'t understand that. I haven\'t heard it, haven\'t read it. If pheromones come

from hormones or hormone metabolites, I\'d like to know how. Seriously.

bjf

03-16-2004, 07:56 PM

hormones

promones androgens i work at a freakin deli, this isn\'t my thing.

When I try to learn about the stuff, I

have read that what comes out of the body isn\'t necessarily the pheromone itself. I\'m not exactly sure, I

work at a DELI!! Anyway their is some sort of process they go through. Like I said, the stuff I read could very

well be wrong. But I am not so ure A-none is actually molecurlarly the same when it is in our bodies....

I do

think our hormones, androgens, whatever get to our skin and become the earmarkings of our interenal biology.

Sagacious1420

03-16-2004, 08:43 PM

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sorry, I can\'t explain it better than I already

did. I am wondering if the so called \"odorless pheromones\" are just hormone metabolites or whatever that

haven\'t become pheromones at the moleculer level.

<hr /></blockquote>Dude, you don\'t

have to know/understand everything about pheros for them to work for you. Who cares? In the end does it really

matter? As I sit here and type this, I don\'t fully understand everything about IT stuff but it doesn\'t

matter...this message will end up posting on the forum nonetheless. Quite frankly, I don\'t care as long as it

works for me.

As far as your question at the beginning of this thread, it seems that you have been sufficiently

answered. Just because pheros have a smell to them, doesn\'t have anything to do w/ the purity issue, or perhaps

more correctly, could have everything to do w/ purity. By your own admission, Stone Labs is a very reputable

company and provides extremely pure pheros. Like I said, your query was answered sufficiently. Pheros smell, even

very pure ones. Fine. Why muck things up and overcomplicate things just because you didn\'t get the answer that

you wanted, that your understanding of the impurities/smell issue may have been mistaken/misinformed or that you

still don\'t fully understand the chemistry behind the whole thing? Who cares?

Get out there, use your

pheros, experiment, find out what works for you and share a phero report w/ us. All that really matters in the end

is that you figure out what works for you.

bjf

03-16-2004, 08:52 PM

Sag, if I

tried to explain my reasoning this conversation would just go back and forth forever, with no real answers anyway.

Sexyredhead

03-16-2004, 09:36 PM

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hormones promones androgens i work at a freakin

deli, this isn\'t my thing.

When I try to learn about the stuff, I have read that what comes out of the

body isn\'t necessarily the pheromone itself. I\'m not exactly sure, I work at a DELI!! Anyway their is some

sort of process they go through. Like I said, the stuff I read could very well be wrong. But I am not so ure

A-none is actually molecurlarly the same when it is in our bodies....

I do think our hormones, androgens,

whatever get to our skin and become the earmarkings of our interenal biology.

<hr /></blockquote>

Does anyone else know anything about this that can explain it to me? This has me intrigued.

Sagacious1420

03-16-2004, 10:05 PM

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SRH, if you think its fun to screw around,

that\'s fine, but please play with someone else.

<hr /></blockquote>Hold on there,

dude. I think that\'s a bit uncalled for. SRH has just as much right to ask questions and try to understand what

someone else meant by their post as anyone else. You know that we all like to have fun around

here and you also know that we all have serious questions too. I\'m sure that you realize by her

later posts. Don\'t be so uptight, dude. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DrSmellThis

03-17-2004, 12:57 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sorry, I can\'t explain it better than I already did. I am wondering if

the so called \"odorless pheromones\" are just hormone metabolites or whatever that haven\'t become pheromones

at the moleculer level.

<hr /></blockquote>

Pheromones come from hormones?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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God luv

ya\', SRH!! Most pheromones come from the hormones pregnenolone and DHEA, which come from cholesterol. So eat them

eggs! Not all pheromones (e.g., some copulins, intestinal pheromones) come from hormones, however. The big 3 come

from testosterone. Some pheromones are pheromones when they get to your skin, others are only converted to

pheromones upon reaching your skin.

But a pheromone is any chemical that automatically communicates something

about you to another animal. So that means a 12 pack of Pabst is a pheromone. I hope this clears things up.

Sexyredhead

03-17-2004, 06:09 AM

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sorry, I

can\'t explain it better than I already did. I am wondering if the so called \"odorless pheromones\" are just

hormone metabolites or whatever that haven\'t become pheromones at the moleculer level.

<hr

/></blockquote>

Pheromones come from hormones?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

<hr /></blockquote>
God luv

ya\', SRH!! Most pheromones come from the hormones pregnenolone and DHEA, which come from cholesterol. So eat them

eggs! Not all pheromones (e.g., some copulins, intestinal pheromones) come from hormones, however. The big 3 come

from testosterone. Some pheromones are pheromones when they get to your skin, others are only converted to

pheromones upon reaching your skin.

But a pheromone is any chemical that automatically communicates something

about you to another animal. So that means a 12 pack of Pabst is a pheromone. I hope this clears things up.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, very nicely, thank you.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Unfortunately, most of the time when you guys start talking

about DHEA and testosterone, my mind registers it as \'more penis talk\' and starts to wander other places.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sexyredhead

03-17-2004, 08:23 AM

You know, I have some time to turn my head to things other than where\' they\'ve been for a while, and this

\'scientifical\' stuff (as FTR once said) is really piquing my interest. I will have to pay more attention to

the more detailed threads from now on. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Sagacious1420

03-17-2004, 12:08 PM

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So that means a 12 pack of Pabst is a

pheromone.

<hr /></blockquote>

SRH-

That explains why the beer spritz in your hair

turns me on so much. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Sagacious1420

03-18-2004, 06:23 AM

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Sag, if I tried to explain my reasoning this

conversation would just go back and forth forever, with no real answers anyway.

<hr /></blockquote>

Buddy, You\'re questions have been answered...if anything goes back an forth it\'s because

you don\'t want to accept the answers, imho. Not sure where you picked up this notion that pheros are odorless.

Is it possible that those who assert that they\'re odorless are among the population of those who simply can\'t

smell them?

CptKipling

03-21-2004, 12:15 PM

Bottom line:

There is no such thing as a truely unscented pheromone*. You can dilute it and mask it\'s

odour, but that doesn\'t make it odourless.

*as far as I know. It certainly seems that none of the pheros we

deal with are odourless.

bjf

09-30-2004, 01:51 PM

http://www.leffingwell.com/chirality/steroid_&_sandalwood.htm

There's a odorless -none (-).

DrSmellThis

09-30-2004, 02:14 PM

Nice link! You appear to be

correct. There's also an odorless A1 and -nol. Too bad there's so much secrecy and so little discussion, huh?

Never underestimate what the perfuming industry knows about pheromones. They are much bigger than Erox/Pherin!

Incidentally, they are not implying anything specific about the relation between sandalwood and steroid chemicals

there. It's just two different sections listing fragrance compounds.

But great information nonetheless, and a

great resource in general.