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bjf

03-09-2004, 07:33 PM

I am

wondering if a metabolite of this is one of the unknown pheromones we use or if it is a pheromone not yet completely

discovered, or whether it can even get to the surface of our skin and turn into a

pheromone.

http://themarriagebed.com/oxytocin.shtml (\"http://themarriagebed.com/oxytocin.shtml\")

http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/ (\"http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/\")

one more (\"http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/hypopit/oxytocin.html\")

apple

03-09-2004, 09:21 PM

dont

know about that pheromone, but i like that marriagebed site. im not religious at all, but it has lots of good

information, and for people who are religious they should be required to go through this site, it give more sexual

freedom than most religious people seem to pretend there really is while keeping a good grasp on what is and isnt

acceptable. I still disagree with the no sex before marriage tho lalala

MysteriousMan

03-10-2004, 07:24 AM

Apple,

it\'s not a pheromone, it\'s a hormone. This is the reason why bjf talked about a

metabolite of oxytocin, we might use.

Perhaps the more interesting question is: what creates an oxytocin

response.

MysteriousMan

bjf

03-10-2004, 07:29 AM

MM.....

You can create one just by hugging someone.

That is why hugs feel good.

WOuld make a hell of a

killer pheromone if it can be one (though who knows, maybe it creates the stuff in wagg or some other stuff).

bigdog

03-10-2004, 07:36 AM

Oxytocin release for females is usually a reaction from a physical response. Often from bonding or pregnancy. When

females have an orgasm or are in labor oxytocin is released. Even can get released from a simple massage. Also

appears oxytocin can be released if a female is in a very emotional state or

depressed.

http://members.aol.com/sexualabsti

nence/oxytocin.htm (\"http://members.aol.com/sexualabstinence/oxytocin.htm\")

bjf

03-10-2004, 07:43 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Oxytocin responses are physical. When females have

an orgasm or are in labor oxytocin is

released.

http://members.aol.com/sexualabstinence

/oxytocin.htm (\"http://members.aol.com/sexualabstinence/oxytocin.htm\")

<hr /></blockquote>

Yea, I think it is in semen to. Anyway,

both men and women have it. It gives people a comforting feeling.

Also, I read something about it being related

to milk production in women, and I suspect it could be the pheromone (its metabolite) that nipples produce, which is

why I feel so relaxed and get that warm and fuzzy feeling around nipples (I wasn\'t breast fed). Anyway, the

pheromones that nipples produce are likely why men love them so much.

bigdog

03-10-2004, 07:52 AM

I

thought I read somewhere an oxytocin release can come from a kiss especially if its on an errogenous zone. Syuch as

the neck and ear which sometimes are considered errogenous zones. I believe oxytocin can be release via touch too.

I am sure to a lesser extent though.

bjf

03-10-2004, 08:00 AM

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I thought I read somewhere an oxytocin release can

come from a kiss especially if its on an errogenous zone. Syuch as the neck and ear which sometimes are considered

errogenous zones. I believe oxytocin can be release via touch too. I am sure to a lesser extent though.

<hr

/></blockquote>

That is why it is called the \"touch hormone\". I heard a teaser last

night on the news about a hormone that was released by hugging. I searched hugging and hormone on google and google

news because I figured a wire report must have been written about something. Didn\'t see any specific wire story,

but found a lot of web pages on oxy-whatever, a few which I listed.

bigdog

03-10-2004, 08:29 AM

I

remember reading somewhere that if physical interaction elicits an oxytocin release more than likely the responder

will welcome another hug,kiss,touch, etc. The release will most likely occur if the interaction is welcomed and

found to be enjoyable. Also the release can be greater and intereaction welcomed again if the interaction is at more

a more intimate/sexual level.

bjf

03-10-2004, 08:39 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I remember reading somewhere that if physical

interaction elicits an oxytocin release more than likely the responder will welcome another hug,kiss,touch, etc.

The release will most likely occur if the interaction is welcomed and found to be enjoyable. Also the release can be

greater and intereaction welcomed again if the interaction is at more a more intimate/sexual level.

<hr

/></blockquote>

Any metabolite on the skin of this hormone would likely signal (well this

is just a guess) that the individual is someone perhaps safe or whatever. The question is, how do hormones get to

the skin, and do all of them get to the skin or just some of them?

bigdog

03-10-2004, 08:47 AM

I

don\'t think its released to the skin. I\'m thinking this is a subject James Kohl knows quite a bit about.

bjf

03-10-2004, 08:52 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I don\'t think its released to the skin. I\'m

thinking this is a subject James Kohl knows quite a bit about.

<hr /></blockquote>

itis not that it is released to the skin, but sometimes these things get to the skin, ie I

think a-none may come from testosterone, or is a bi-product of the productionof it. Over time, maybe humans

associate a-none pheromones with t-levels then.

CJ01

03-10-2004, 09:39 AM

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or is a bi-product of the productionof it

<hr

/></blockquote> it´s bi? just kiddin

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I think I there was an experiment done on oxytocin.

Oxytocin is a substance in our bodies which is said to be very much involved in terms of emotional bonding and

has a certain `feel-good factor´ for lack of a better term. In the experiment a couple (or more?) where given

something which suppresed the release of oxytocin.
The result was that after they had sex both reported that it

didn´t feel as good ie not as fullfilling, satisfying emotionally and sexually (?)as it usually does.

Sorry

I can´t remember all the details it was rather long ago I heard of this. Pretty sure it was oxytocin tho can´t

think of anything else it could have been.

CJ

PS why do I keep getting this stuff when I type up

a post?
<a href=\"http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=sex&v=55\">sex</a>
anyone else

getting this?

bjf

03-10-2004, 09:49 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
or is a bi-product of the productionof it

<hr /></blockquote> it´s bi? just kiddin /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I think I there was an

experiment done on oxytocin.
Oxytocin is a substance in our bodies which is said to be very much involved in terms

of emotional bonding and has a certain `feel-good factor´ for lack of a better term. In the experiment a couple (or

more?) where given something which suppresed the release of oxytocin.
The result was that after they had sex both

reported that it didn´t feel as good ie not as fullfilling, satisfying emotionally and sexually (?)as it usually

does.

Sorry I can´t remember all the details it was rather long ago I heard of this. Pretty sure it was

oxytocin tho can´t think of anything else it could have been.

CJ

PS why do I keep getting this stuff when

I type up a post?
<a href=\"http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=sex&v=55\">sex</a>
anyone else

getting this?

<hr /></blockquote>

never got it but it is probably Franki\'s fault.

franki

03-10-2004, 09:52 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
or is a

bi-product of the productionof it

<hr /></blockquote> it´s bi? just kiddin

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I think I there was an experiment done on oxytocin.
Oxytocin

is a substance in our bodies which is said to be very much involved in terms of emotional bonding and has a certain

`feel-good factor´ for lack of a better term. In the experiment a couple (or more?) where given something which

suppresed the release of oxytocin.
The result was that after they had sex both reported that it didn´t feel as good

ie not as fullfilling, satisfying emotionally and sexually (?)as it usually does.

Sorry I can´t remember all the

details it was rather long ago I heard of this. Pretty sure it was oxytocin tho can´t think of anything else it

could have been.

CJ

PS why do I keep getting this stuff when I type up a post?
<a

href=\"http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=sex&v=55\">sex</a>
anyone else getting this?

<hr

/></blockquote>

never got it but it is probably Franki\'s fault.

<hr

/></blockquote>

What is going on? I have nothing to do with this link..

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bjf

03-10-2004, 09:57 AM

Franki, I love your sense of humor

franki

03-10-2004, 10:02 AM

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I just want to know what is going on.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

CJ01

03-10-2004, 10:03 AM

I´ve

gotten that stuff when I do the preview or after I made a correction and re-preview it? Weird?????
Other strange

things have been happening too?????? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Kari

03-10-2004, 10:12 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I am wondering if a metabolite of this is one of

the unknown pheromones we use or if it is a pheromone not yet completely discovered, or whether it can even get to

the surface of our skin and turn into a

pheromone.

http://themarriagebed.com/oxytocin.shtml (\"http://themarriagebed.com/oxytocin.shtml\")

http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/ (\"http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/\")

one more (\"http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/hypopit/oxytocin.html\")

<hr /></blockquote>

I though oxytocin was one of the chemicals that causes uterine

contractions-- like menstrual cramps.

bjf

03-10-2004, 10:38 AM

I

think it does cause contractions too.

oscar

03-10-2004, 10:48 AM

bjf,

Our hormones reach our skin by way of our apocrine glands. Our \"sweat network\" is made up of

eccrine and apocrine glands. The eccrine glands primarily secrete water to aid in controlling body temperature. The

apocrine glands however are the conveyors of the hormonal metabolites that become what we call pheromones on our

skin.

It\'s a safe bet that at least some quantity of every hormone that our body produces ends up on our

skin via the apocrine glands.

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

bjf

03-10-2004, 11:08 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
bjf,

Our hormones reach our skin by way of our

apocrine glands. Our \"sweat network\" is made up of eccrine and apocrine glands. The eccrine glands primarily

secrete water to aid in controlling body temperature. The apocrine glands however are the conveyors of the hormonal

metabolites that become what we call pheromones on our skin.

It\'s a safe bet that at least some quantity of

every hormone that our body produces ends up on our skin via the apocrine

glands.

[url=\"http://members.aol.com/nonverbal2/apocrine.htm\"]http://members.aol.com/nonverbal2/apocrine.htm[

/url]

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, I believe that basically everything in our body is radiated through the skin at some

level. Like someone was saying (rakesh?) he can\'t even eat curry or he will smell like it.

My understanding

was that a hormone doesn\'t become a true pheromone until after it reaches the skin and interacts.

This stuff

(oxy-whatever) is used by doctors, and it appears to be readily available to the scientific community at least.

Now, would putting trace amounts of it on your skin render it a pheromone, or is there some sort of process it goes

through during its travels or on the skin that makes it into something our noses will recognize?

I am thinking

about emailing stone labs or lacroy to look into using this as a pheromone. Of course, I get the feeling that its

pheromone (if it has one) may already be in use.

oscar

03-10-2004, 11:12 AM

I had

a link in the post above but it turned out to be not only a dead-end, but it seemed to cripple my browser as well,

so I deleted it.
This is the text that went with the link:
___________________

APOCRINE ODOR

Aroma cue. 1. A

pungent, musky scent produced by dense concentrations of apocrine glands in the underarms, and by lesser

concentrations in the face, scalp, ears, eyelids, genital area, and navel. 2. A natural, animal-like aroma which can

be emotionally stimulating and sexually attractive. 3. A urinous odor, from glandular secretions which increase

after puberty, thought to have been (and may still be) used as messages of personal identity, territoriality, and

courtship.

Usage: Many consider apocrine odor offensive (e.g., as a sign of poor grooming), and use deodorants to

mask its smell. Ironically, some deodorants, colognes, and perfumes contain scents designed, like apocrine scent

itself, to mimic the musky, urinous odor of our own sexual steroids.

Neuro-notes. Controlled by sympathetic

nerves of the fight-or-flight response, our apocrine glands are highly responsive to emotional stimuli. About two

dozen chemical compounds contribute to apocrine underarm scent. Odorless until digested by bacteria, millions of

possible smell combinations suggest that apocrine odor may be used to announce our personal identity, presence, and

sexual moods.

See also AROMA CUE, NEW CAR SMELL.

Copyright © 1998 - 2001 (David B. Givens/Center for Nonverbal

Studies)
____________________

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

CJ01

03-10-2004, 11:16 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Yes, I believe that basically everything in our

body is radiated through the skin at some level. Like someone was saying (rakesh?) he can\'t even eat curry or he

will smell like it.

<hr /></blockquote> hehe I was gonna use garlic as an example, same

thing though.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
or is there some sort of

process it goes through during its travels or on the skin that makes it into something our noses will recognize?

<hr /></blockquote> if not that, something similar though - when we´re in a great mood

othes can sense it, directly by looking at us or indirectly, things will show in the aura that surrounds us....and

others pick up on this.
The product which comes closest to this effect is still AFA as far as I´m concerned.

bjf

03-10-2004, 11:50 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
if not that, something similar though - when we´re

in a great mood othes can sense it, directly by looking at us or indirectly, things will show in the aura that

surrounds us....and others pick up on this.

<hr /></blockquote>

You got that right,

and I think it is all about the pheromones (or whatever you want to call these things). I.E. stress and its

relationship with A/E rations (rone levels). I wonder if this OXY stuff is higher when you are in a relationship

with someone, thus making you seem warmer to potential mates, which could explain some things (though I do believe

social validation plays a definite role in that phenomana).

CJ01

03-10-2004, 12:19 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I wonder if this OXY stuff is higher when you are

in a relationship with someone, thus making you seem warmer to potential mates,

<hr /></blockquote> I suppose not always in a relationship but when you´re in love and just feel and appear pretty

happy.

bjf

03-10-2004, 02:30 PM

Here

is some more info, I put into bold some of the other hormones that could have potential as producing

pheromones.

Enter prolactin and oxytocin, hormones essential for milk production and nursing.

Prolactin is a very ancient molecule whose original function was to maintain salt and water balance in early

vertebrates such as fish. Over evolutionary time, this hormone has proved very versatile and now performs diverse

physiological functions in many kinds of animals. In mammals, it is associated with caretaking behavior in both

females and males.

But perhaps the quintessential mammal hormone is oxytocin . A muscle contractor,

oxytocin (from the Greek for \"swift birth\") evolved in mammals and produces the uterine contractions of birth

and milk ejection during lactation. Present when the mother first greets her emerging offspring, it continues to be

released whenever she nurses. Oxytocin released into the brain is known to promote calming and positive social

behaviors, such as pair bonding. Studies of domestic sheep by Barry Keverne, Keith Kendrick, and their colleagues at

the University of Cambridge provide the most complete picture we have of the behavioral effects of oxytocin. As a

lamb moves down the birth canal, nerves stimulated during the passage trigger the release of oxytocin in the

mother\'s nervous system. Only if oxytocin is present at birth or injected so that it reaches the brain at the

same time a mother meets her newborn, will she bond with her offspring. If release of oxytocin is blocked, the ewe

rejects her lamb. High levels of oxytocin also are found in mother\'s milk, raising the possibility that this

hormone plays a role in making the mother infant attachment mutual.

As important as these hormones can be in

determining how responsive a mother will be, they do not act in a deterministic fashion. They both affect and are

affected by a mother\'s behavior and her experience. Exposure to pups, for instance, can lead to reorganization of

neural pathways in a mother rat\'s brain, making her respond faster to pups in the future, even with lower hormone

levels. And some recent studies suggest that the hormones of breast-feeding may benefit a mother\'s mental health

and increase her ability to deal with stress.

In many mammals, males, as well as adoptive virgin females, can be

primed to exhibit parental behaviors. Prairie vole males, for instance, typically respond to a newborn pup by

retrieving it and huddling over it. Geert De Vries, of the University of Massachusetts, found that such nurturing is

facilitated by vasopressin , a hormone that in other contexts is associated with aggressive, territorial

behavior.

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/oxytocin.ht

ml (\"http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/oxytocin.html\")

MysteriousMan

03-11-2004, 10:08 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
But perhaps the quintessential mammal

hormone is oxytocin . A muscle contractor, oxytocin (from the Greek for \"swift birth\") evolved in

mammals and produces the uterine contractions of birth and milk ejection during lactation. Present when the mother

first greets her emerging offspring, it continues to be released whenever she nurses. Oxytocin released into the

brain is known to promote calming and positive social behaviors, such as pair bonding. Studies of domestic sheep by

Barry Keverne, Keith Kendrick, and their colleagues at the University of Cambridge provide the most complete picture

we have of the behavioral effects of oxytocin. As a lamb moves down the birth canal, nerves stimulated during the

passage trigger the release of oxytocin in the mother\'s nervous system. Only if oxytocin is present at birth or

injected so that it reaches the brain at the same time a mother meets her newborn, will she bond with her offspring.

If release of oxytocin is blocked, the ewe rejects her lamb. High levels of oxytocin also are found in mother\'s

milk, raising the possibility that this hormone plays a role in making the mother infant attachment mutual.

<hr /></blockquote>
I learned that as a father I have to be present at birth, when

the mother is full of oxytocin.

MysteriousMan