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**DONOTDELETE**

02-19-2004, 09:20 PM

Hi, I\'m a new guy here and I have some questions.
In numerous cases in the research I have read on

the web, Androstenone was UNPLEASANT to women most of the time and during ovulation was merely TOLERABLE.
I

don\'t get it.
If this is true, then what good is NONE with women?

Friendly1

02-19-2004, 09:36 PM

Too much androstenone can freak them out. I decided to go with six sprays of The Edge at a club

tonight and had shaky results at best. That is the first time I\'ve had bad hits with that much of The Edge.

Several of the guys here have warned me they feel I am using too much. I think 2-4 sprays definitely gets more

consistent results.

**DONOTDELETE**

02-19-2004, 09:41 PM

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Too much androstenone

can freak them out. I decided to go with six sprays of The Edge at a club tonight and had shaky results at best.

That is the first time I\'ve had bad hits with that much of The Edge. Several of the guys here have warned me

they feel I am using too much. I think 2-4 sprays definitely gets more consistent results.

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Right. I\'m also speaking qualitatively. Why not just use NOL if NONE

elicits zero to negative reaction.
I mean what good is some thing like PI?
All NONE right?

OCP

02-19-2004, 09:48 PM

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\"The team is the last refuge of the

mediocre.\"

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Dude, you have no idea of teamwork. You are all

for you and no one else. Nothing else matters. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

02-19-2004, 09:53 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
\"The team is the last refuge of the mediocre.\"

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Dude, you have no idea of teamwork. You are all for you and

no one else. Nothing else matters. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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I missed out on alot of socialization by being a little professor. Whoops too late

now.
And so here I am.
I\'m nearing 30 but still alarmingly heavy on existential angst and nihilism, but

that\'s another story.

Now, can somebody explain the reasoning behind NONE only products, to me, in light

of my initial query?
PRETTY PLEASE.

franki

02-20-2004, 02:09 AM

Well, despite the fact that women describe the scent as unpleasant, androstenone has certain effects on

women that can be described as pleasant, especially for the wearer.

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Pheromones (mostly) work on an unconscious level. Wether a

pheromone smells good or not is not really important on that level.

CJ01

02-20-2004, 02:34 AM

The none in the products smell unpleasant because they are so concentrated, well that´s one reason

anyway.
None will help the wearer not to be overlooked ie will help others notice you more (amongst other

things).
Too much none can be bad for the wearer and cause aggression in others in men and women.
OD on nol is

also possible.
The trick is to find out what phero or combination of is for you.
Women produce none too

naturally. Plus we don´t ovulate all the time y´know /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
As

franki says, mones work on the subconcious level. If others can smell it in an obvious way you´re certainly using

too much IMO.

what you read is not doesn´t apply to all women btw. I use AE all the time and don´t have a problem

with it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

CJ

Phantom

02-20-2004, 03:04 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Too much androstenone can freak them

out. I decided to go with six sprays of The Edge at a club tonight and had shaky results at best. That is

the first time I\'ve had bad hits with that much of The Edge. Several of the guys here have warned me they feel I

am using too much. I think 2-4 sprays definitely gets more consistent results.

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You must of stunk like a mofo, what you use as a cover??? 1 spray of TE/m on each cheak covered

with Dunhill (my new favorite) works best for me. Trust me, I did just what you are doing last summer, i even went

up to 16 sprays of TE/m. I tourtured my poor cousin. Now I have a much more sensitive nose... oh yea, using all that

TE got me nowhere.

Rakesh

02-20-2004, 07:57 AM

Seeing as a single spray of TE is already close to OD, six or even sixteen is pure foolishness

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Phantom

02-20-2004, 12:40 PM

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Seeing as a single spray of TE is

already close to OD, six or even sixteen is pure foolishness /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

<hr /></blockquote> Trust me i\'ve done worse... with PI/m going upwards to 20 drops.

Hahaha sometimes i like throwing money into the wind.

Friendly1

02-20-2004, 09:40 PM

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You must of stunk like a mofo, what you

use as a cover???

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I always use Amouage Dia to cover The Edge. I do

not stink. But I had also put on Musk (Androstenol) and APC. I was covered with pheromones. Got the usual OD

reactions most of the night. Plenty of eye contact and sideways glances, but when I got closer the women became

nervous and closed up on me. One girl who came to see me ended up walking off with another guy because I got tired

of her weird reactions. I should have recognized the OD symptoms in my behavior, but I\'ve been sick and just

haven\'t been as astute as usual.

Anyway, I\'ve used that much Edge in other situations with better results.

I would say it works better around older women who are more sure of themselves. The younger ones just sort of

retreat before the wall of pheromonal overload.

Being a little sick probably didn\'t help me either.

Friendly1

02-20-2004, 09:42 PM

I should add that I had absolutely NO problems with the guys. They were all making way for me. I even

went off and danced with one guy\'s girl friend. He couldn\'t wait to let me take her. They were fighting,

too. I don\'t know if I had anything to do with that.

bjf

02-21-2004, 05:13 AM

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I should add that I had absolutely NO

problems with the guys. They were all making way for me. I even went off and danced with one guy\'s girl friend.

He couldn\'t wait to let me take her. They were fighting, too. I don\'t know if I had anything to do with

that.

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Friendly, the reactions you got from men and women

were both the same basically:

Women: Attraction but Fear
Men: Respect but Fear

A dose of TE is only half

-none. I would times that number by 4 and then apply that amount of NOL to your application, and if you can, twice

the rone as none and a dab of WAGG.

What do you have with Nol and/or Rone in it?

Friendly1

02-22-2004, 08:57 PM

I was wearing the Musk with Androstenol (full dropper down the chest, on top of four of the Edge

sprays).

OCP

02-22-2004, 08:58 PM

bjf

02-23-2004, 03:52 AM

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I was wearing the Musk with Androstenol

(full dropper down the chest, on top of four of the Edge sprays).

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Yea, that is just too much. One poll with a lot of votes asked the best edge amount, and the

winner by far was 2-3 dabs.

It woke me up. There are about 12 dabs in a spray. So you do the math. 4 Sprays is

damn high. One spray under your clothes and one spray on exposed skin is as far as most people could go to get

hits.

But most people won\'t even do that much as it still can be an OD. Bottom like, you need to lower your

none levels or you will probably not get any hits that are actually productive (you are making the targets

uncomfortable with that much none).

bigdog

02-23-2004, 07:02 AM

I totally agree. I\'ve been mixing TE/AE 3:1 with chrome. Dab under each ear, dab chest, neck and

rest in hair. I wasn\'t in a social mood at a club but the mood of those around completely changed. Was a very

quiet atmopsphere but girls were giddy and practically jumping on other guys laps after I hovered around bar. A

complete turnaround. I was getting smiling stares but just wasn\'t in the mood to be social. It could\'ve been

another great night but I just was not up too par. I\'ve had better results with TE than NPA because less chance

of OD. Dabs definitiely better. Will have to try NPA/APC and NPA/SOE soon. ANy suggestions on these 2 mixes greatly

appreciated.

bjf

02-23-2004, 07:17 AM

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I totally agree. I\'ve been mixing

TE/AE 3:1 with chrome. Dab under each ear, dab chest, neck and rest in hair. I wasn\'t in a social mood at a club

but the mood of those around completely changed. Was a very quiet atmopsphere but girls were giddy and practically

jumping on other guys laps after I hovered around bar. A complete turnaround. I was getting smiling stares but just

wasn\'t in the mood to be social. It could\'ve been another great night but I just was not up too par. I\'ve

had better results with TE than NPA because less chance of OD. Dabs definitiely better. Will have to try NPA/APC and

NPA/SOE soon. ANy suggestions on these 2 mixes greatly appreciated.

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Funny, even though the intimidation went away, I think the pheromones were still affecting you

in a negative way.

The not-social feeling is something that none can induce (and perhaps rone?). Add more Nol

(or TE/w) in there and I bet you would have been more in the mood to social.

However, your mood could have been a

result of non-pheromone issues of course.

bigdog

02-23-2004, 07:24 AM

I think it was non-pheromonal. Probably because I was out (without mones) the night before. I had alot

on my mind and the club scene getting slightly old for me. Tuesday night I\'m going to a club here in Mall of

America in Mpls with TE/AE since it will be kinda wild due to a Mardi Gras celebration. I should be up for that.

I use to overdo none and it affects me and others. SPrays just not where it\'s at. Worst was when at a bar and

I was talking to a couple people calmly yet I could see the scared look on them big time. It was if I had rabies. I

had not done a thing and had been polite yet I was escorted out.
None is something thgat cannot be treated lightly

that\'s for sure. It\'s best to put on a couple dabs and then add 1-2 as needed. Never use sprays!