Thought I'd Introduce Myself..... [Archive] - Love-Scent Pheromones Forum

Renegade

02-17-2004, 04:42 AM

Hi

Everyone,

I just joined the forum last week and thought I\'d post here and introduce myself. I\'ve used many

of the products here, so if you have a question about any of the products, I probably will have an

answer.

I\'ve gotten laid many times using primal and NPA. I\'m not talking ugly women either. I\'ve gotten

laid by some of the finest looking women on earth. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif The rest of you can have the ugly women. I\'ll stick with the

fine looking ones.

Anyway, that\'s my story. I\'ll be posting in the days to come.

Renegade

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Elana

02-17-2004, 04:58 AM

You are charming. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Welcome to the forum

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Renegade

02-17-2004, 05:06 AM

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You are charming.

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Welcome to the forum

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Hey! What can

I say? I tell it like it is. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif You\'ll get no BS from me.

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Thanks for the welcome Elana.

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bigdog

02-17-2004, 05:26 AM

Welcome Renegade. DO you mix? How much NPA/PI do you use and where? AE/TE/Chrome has worked for me lately.

Icarus

02-17-2004, 05:34 AM

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I\'ve gotten laid by some of the finest looking

women on earth.

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Foight ye fer it.

Steve

Renegade

02-17-2004, 05:38 AM

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Welcome Renegade. DO you mix? How much NPA/PI do

you use and where? AE/TE/Chrome has worked for me lately.

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I

don\'t like TE. Tried it a couple of times and have\'nt used it since. The stuff smells like horse sh!t and I

wouldn\'t recommend it to anyone.

I don\'t go for that mixing crap either. I believe that mixing mones

together compromises the effectiveness of the respective mones that are being mixed.

AS far as using a cologne, I

use what smells good with my chemistry. You don\'t need an expensive cologne son to smell good.

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Renegade

02-17-2004, 05:41 AM

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I\'ve gotten laid by some of the finest looking women on earth.

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Foight ye fer it.

Steve

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bigdog

02-17-2004, 05:54 AM

I tend to OD easily. Even with a couple dabs of NPA. That\'s why TE seems to work better for me. I have APC

coming with NPA this week and will try together. How much NPA & where Renegade? I have Chrome & Dolce

Gabbana as my main covers. Yourself?

Renegade

02-17-2004, 08:39 AM

I question the validity of Oding. I’ve read many posts here on the subject. It seems that one person makes a

statement here and everyone else is off and running with it. I’ve used various amounts of mones at a time and have

never seen such a reaction. Not with young people or old for that matter. I’ve splashed on tons on the stuff and

have never seen a difference in that people OD.

I laugh when I read about the hair flipping, and the hair

twirling. No offense to anyone, but the whole concept sounds completely silly to me.

To answer your question

bigdog, I apply one dab on the pulse points of my neck. I use Stetson cologne on my face. I don’t apply cologne

directly over the mones. I use stetson because the scent works well for me. The goal is to find a scent that smells

good with your chemistry. Don’t use a cologne that every Tom, Dick, and Harry, has used here. Go with what smells

good on you. Ask for opinions on the scent. (preferably from the opposite sex) Don’t be afraid to experiment with

different fragrances.

Better Days,
Renegade /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

OCP

02-17-2004, 11:08 AM

[quote You\'ll get no BS from me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Great! I do not like BS. I like straight shooters.....Welcome.

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OCP

02-17-2004, 11:11 AM

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I don\'t go for that mixing crap either. I

believe that mixing mones together compromises the effectiveness of the respective mones that are being mixed.

<hr /></blockquote>

Hmmm! is this opinion or fact? Common thought is that rone

enhances the effect of none. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

pico

02-17-2004, 11:11 AM

Hi

Renegade,
ODing on none is not hard to do, i\'ve put on loads of PI and NPA at the same time, and people do act

in a negative way...
Welcome to the forum, I don\'t post here as often as others but you\'ll see my posts here

occasionally.
As regards to mixing: I\'m currently testing out a mix with 1PI: 1NPA/m : 1NPA/w : 1Wagg, this can

only be done with a mix since if I were to apply a drop or even a dab of each that would be too much in most

circumstances....and why waste it?
pico

OCP

02-17-2004, 11:12 AM

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AS far as using a cologne, I use what smells good

with my chemistry. You don\'t need an expensive cologne son to smell good.

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Nothing

wrong with Old Spice /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

OCP

02-17-2004, 11:13 AM

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I tend to OD easily. Even with a couple dabs of

NPA. That\'s why TE seems to work better for me. I have APC coming with NPA this week and will try together. How

much NPA & where Renegade? I have Chrome & Dolce Gabbana as my main covers. Yourself?

<hr

/></blockquote>

Everyone is different. Phero use is not \"one size fits all\".

Sexyredhead

02-17-2004, 11:14 AM

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I don\'t go for that mixing crap either. I believe that mixing mones

together compromises the effectiveness of the respective mones that are being mixed.

<hr /></blockquote>

Hmmm! is this opinion or fact? Common thought is that rone enhances the effect of none.

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He never

said it\'s a fact, and he states \'he believes\', so it\'s his opinion. Maybe he\'s one of those who does

well with only one -mone. Others may be better with a mix. Or maybe he\'s missing out on untapped potential.

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Just \'cause he\'s new and says he\'s getting laid

doesn\'t mean he\'s an expert. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

franki

02-17-2004, 11:15 AM

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Just \'cause he\'s new and says he\'s

getting laid doesn\'t mean he\'s an expert. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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lol

OCP

02-17-2004, 11:16 AM

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I don\'t

go for that mixing crap either. I believe that mixing mones together compromises the effectiveness of the respective

mones that are being mixed.

<hr /></blockquote>

Hmmm! is this opinion or fact?

Common thought is that rone enhances the effect of none. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

He never said it\'s a fact, and he states \'he believes\',

so it\'s his opinion. Maybe he\'s one of those who does well with only one -mone. Others may be better with a

mix. Or maybe he\'s missing out on untapped potential. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Just

\'cause he\'s new and says he\'s getting laid doesn\'t mean he\'s an expert.

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But he has

found something that works for him and that is great. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Skyy

02-17-2004, 12:13 PM

Hey Phantom hows it going /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Renegade

02-17-2004, 12:15 PM

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Just \'cause he\'s new and says he\'s getting

laid doesn\'t mean he\'s an expert.

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I\'m new to this forum,

not mone use. I\'ve been using mones for the past 2 years. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Renegade

02-17-2004, 12:17 PM

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Hey Phantom hows it going

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Hah??????

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Holmes

02-17-2004, 12:31 PM

Renegade, you seem like a no-bull$hit kinda guy.

Welcome!

Holmes

bjf

02-17-2004, 12:33 PM

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Hey Phantom hows it going

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EXIT63

02-17-2004, 01:22 PM

Hey Phantom, stop trying to fool us. We\'re not as dumb as we look!

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Holmes

02-17-2004, 01:38 PM

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Holmes

franki

02-17-2004, 01:42 PM

Phantom also used TE.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

CJ01

02-17-2004, 01:45 PM

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I\'ve gotten laid many times using primal and

NPA. I\'m not talking ugly women either. I\'ve gotten laid by some of the finest looking women on earth. The

rest of you can have the ugly women. I\'ll stick with the fine looking ones.

<hr /></blockquote> I´m sorry, I don´t remember you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif just kidding,

I just had to throw that one in, couldn´t help it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Beauty

is in the eye of the beholder, we all have different tastes I guess

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif and thank god we do

and welcome to the forum
CJ

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bjf

02-17-2004, 01:45 PM

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Phantom also used TE..

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This guy

doesn\'t mess with that weak ass TE [censored].

He pulls out the big gun....NPA.

bigdog

02-17-2004, 02:07 PM

TE works better for me in mixes. Especially seems to work better around younger women. NPA seems to influence guys

too. Bouncers act weird when I have it on and guys get cocky. I soemetimes am affected. I am getting APC and NPA

this week. Will try a mix of it and use only a couple dabs to test.

belgareth

02-17-2004, 02:11 PM

Renegade

I find your comments puzzling as many others probably do. You don\'t like TE because it

stinks yet use NPA which is no more than concentrated TE? You don\'t believe in mixing mones yet TE/NPA ARE mixed

mones? I won\'t even go into the obvious fallacy of ODing not being a real phenomena other than to ask how you

account for the numerous reports of OD behavoir?

bigdog

02-17-2004, 02:19 PM

Obviously pheromone concentrations may affect the user and others in different ways. I would bet though that most

here have had an OD in which either women were turned off or guys around them got angry or cocky. This may have

directly influenced the user too. NPA & PI in larger doses seem to be the ones that often trigger adverse

reactions.

This weekend for instance I used TE/AE/Chrome together and I was getting looks,hits,and kisses out of

the blue. I tested NPA with and a guy wanted to start a fight for no reason and girls purposely avoided me. It was

obvious to me the none I had before with the NPA helped to cause this. If I had just added the AE/TE/Chrome I

wouldn\'t have has such reactions. That I\'m willing to bet on.

CJ01

02-17-2004, 02:21 PM

I

like NPA better than TE too. Which is strange I guess but I do find it easier to cover than TE in terms of

monestink. NPA is different from TE IMO

bjf

02-17-2004, 02:34 PM

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I like NPA better than TE too. Which is strange I

guess but I do find it easier to cover than TE in terms of monestink. NPA is different from TE IMO

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/></blockquote>

I agree with you CJ. And I agree with Bigdog about the concentration

making them different.

If you really know what you are doing, however, I guess you can elimiate some of the

differences.

burgerama1960

02-17-2004, 02:37 PM

It just seems to me you have to be very near your target inorder for mones to work for you.Otherwise

the women dont have a clue who is wearing them, especially in a club atmosphere or a crowded place. I\'ve read on

this forum of people thinking that its working from 10-15 feet away. I do not believe it!! I also think that it

takes a few minutes of exsposure for the mones to take effect. I know when I put mones on it takes ten minutes or so

to get that mone buzz and I am the wearer. So i could guess it would take just as long or longer for others to

notice especially from a distance. Now if your bumping ugly with someone then they get the full potency or slow

dancing but sitting at a table and some girl looks your way from across the room no way is that mones at work.Sorry

for the rant but these have been my experince with mones so far. If I hang close to someone for a period of time I

have great success but walking by someone or being in the same office doesn\'t seem to work.

Gossamer_2701

02-17-2004, 02:48 PM

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you have to be very near your target

inorder for mones to work for you

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I have to agree with that. I

find the best results for me are within 3-5 feet, and only after I\'ve been that close for a few minutes.
But I

also apply minimal amounts, so I don\'t believe that they could even be detected 10-15 feet away.

OCP

02-17-2004, 03:18 PM

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If I hang close to someone for a period of time I

have great success but walking by someone or being in the same office doesn\'t seem to work.

<hr

/></blockquote>

Especially if you are a minimalist. If they work 10 to 15 feet away then

they will not work up close. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

bundyburger

02-17-2004, 03:56 PM

Who\'s to say that someone 15 feet away wasn\'t standing next to you a while ago ordering drinks at

the bar and you hadn\'t noticed?

I agree that talking to someone for a few minutes is the best way to get them

to be affected by any -mones you wear, but I\'ve also seen some neck breaking turn arounds at large distances of

many metres.

Dogs can detect a scent 20 metres or more away that we can barely pick up with in a foot and they

can trace back to it.

I wouldn\'t want to argue unproven science.

Gossamer_2701

02-17-2004, 04:09 PM

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Who\'s to say that someone 15 feet

away wasn\'t standing next to you a while ago ordering drinks at the bar and you hadn\'t noticed?

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/></blockquote>
Can\'t argue with that... and with most bars, you\'d be within range

long enough for the mones to be effective. But you should still do a lap or two when you get there just to spread

\'em around a bit... let them follow the trail back to you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bundyburger

02-17-2004, 04:14 PM

Is that why girls cut laps when ever I\'m around??

They\'re just following my trail!

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burgerama1960

02-17-2004, 04:24 PM

But when your in a bar setting and a gal gets a wiff of mones coming from someone don\'t they have to

sniff their way to the source?

bundyburger

02-17-2004, 04:27 PM

If it was a good cologne, maybe.
But in general mones should be applied in a way that makes them

sub-concious. I can\'t imagine a woman trying desperately to find the source of \'that cat piss smell\' so

that she can pick the guy up on the other end of it.

dolly

02-17-2004, 04:30 PM

If it was me, I\'d be trying to get further away from \"that cat piss smell\"...it should be on a subconcious

level...I don\'t want to smell it, just feel it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

burgerama1960

02-17-2004, 04:34 PM

you know what i mean. It reminds me of cartoons when they smell something in the air and they get

dragged on their toes to the source. i just had that vision in my head and thought it would be funny in a bar

situation.

bundyburger

02-17-2004, 04:54 PM

Oh that. lol. Yep. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Sexyredhead

02-17-2004, 05:07 PM

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Is that why girls cut laps when ever

I\'m around??

They\'re just following my trail! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr

/></blockquote>

<Doing my best Alicia Silverstone impression>

As if! Don\'t you

know you have to do a lap before committing to a location???

Pancho1188

02-17-2004, 07:58 PM

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Is that why girls cut laps when ever I\'m around??

They\'re just

following my trail! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

<Doing my best Alicia Silverstone impression>

As if! Don\'t you know you have to do

a lap before committing to a location???

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Don\'t kid yourself,

SRH...you know you\'re too much of a sexy redhead to dumb yourself down to \"dumb blonde\" level... (I can say

that because I\'m blonde /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Blonde...Dirty Blonde

Elana

02-18-2004, 04:05 AM

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to dumb yourself down to \"dumb blonde\" level...

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Sexyredhead

02-18-2004, 04:12 AM

Uh oh, Pancho. Look what you did! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

If it helps,

I was blonde till I was 2, then my fiery nature started to manifest itself in a more public manner!

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(Elana, we all know there\'s a difference between blonde

guys and blonde girls. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

Renegade

02-18-2004, 04:23 AM

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Hey Phantom hows it going /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Who, or what the hell is a phantom? Is this some kind of inside joke that

I don\'t get? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Renegade

02-18-2004, 04:34 AM

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Renegade, you seem like a no-bull$hit kinda

guy.

Welcome!

Thanks Holmes /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Holmes

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/></blockquote>

CJ01

02-18-2004, 05:47 AM

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Who, or what the hell is a phantom? Is this some

kind of inside joke that I don\'t get?

<hr /></blockquote> yes

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Renegade

02-18-2004, 06:15 AM

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Renegade

I find your comments puzzling as many

others probably do. You don\'t like TE because it stinks yet use NPA which is no more than concentrated TE? You

don\'t believe in mixing mones yet TE/NPA ARE mixed mones? I won\'t even go into the obvious fallacy of ODing

not being a real phenomena other than to ask how you account for the numerous reports of OD behavoir?

<hr

/></blockquote>

Hi Belgareth,

I don’t know what confuses you? When I said that I don’t

mix mones, I meant products. I have no control over what’s in a particular product. As for TE, I said I didn’t like

the smell of it, “NOT THE EFFECTIVENESS” of the product. To me NPA, and TE, have very different smells. I don’t like

the smell of TE.

With all do respect. I’ve read several of your past posts. It seems like you enjoy starting a

pissing contest, for the sake of pissing. I don’t intend to partake in such practices. If I’m wrong, I apologize. I

don’t think that I am though.

Peace,
Renegade

Skyy

02-18-2004, 09:28 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Renegade

I find your comments puzzling as many others probably do. You

don\'t like TE because it stinks yet use NPA which is no more than concentrated TE? You don\'t believe in mixing

mones yet TE/NPA ARE mixed mones? I won\'t even go into the obvious fallacy of ODing not being a real phenomena

other than to ask how you account for the numerous reports of OD behavoir?

<hr /></blockquote>

Hi Belgareth,

I don’t know what confuses you? When I said that I don’t mix mones, I meant

products. I have no control over what’s in a particular product. As for TE, I said I didn’t like the smell of it,

“NOT THE EFFECTIVENESS” of the product. To me NPA, and TE, have very different smells. I don’t like the smell of

TE.

With all do respect. I’ve read several of your past posts. It seems like you enjoy starting a pissing

contest, for the sake of pissing. I don’t intend to partake in such practices. If I’m wrong, I apologize. I don’t

think that I am though.

Peace,
Renegade

<hr /></blockquote>

Have you attempted

to try the new EE Heat? It\'s fukin awsome as for as smell and I havent had a problem with it yet!

Holmes

02-18-2004, 09:53 AM

Attempting to try it is an important--and oft-overlooked--step.

Holmes

Renegade

02-18-2004, 11:25 AM

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If it was me, I\'d be trying to get further away

from \"that cat piss smell\"...it should be on a subconcious level...I don\'t want to smell it, just feel it.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

I agree in

that when you want to pick up a honey you don\'t want to smell like sh!t. However, in the act of getting laid

smelling a bit funky isn\'t all that bad of a thing. I\'ve used quite a bit of primal while getting it on and it

made the honey I was with go wild. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

OCP

02-18-2004, 11:46 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
If it was me, I\'d be trying to get further away from \"that cat piss

smell\"...it should be on a subconcious level...I don\'t want to smell it, just feel it.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

I agree in

that when you want to pick up a honey you don\'t want to smell like sh!t. However, in the act of getting laid

smelling a bit funky isn\'t all that bad of a thing. I\'ve used quite a bit of primal while getting it on and it

made the honey I was with go wild. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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/></blockquote>

I like applying Primal about 15 minutes before doing the wild thing. It

really lets the female wild side out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

CJ01

02-18-2004, 11:48 AM

Some

products blend in better with ones natural body chemistry and scent incl the mone signature than others. And that´s

when you know you found the right product or mix IMO. The same goes for fragrances.

Sexyredhead

02-18-2004, 12:00 PM

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With all do respect. I\'ve read

several of your past posts. It seems like you enjoy starting a pissing contest, for the sake of pissing. I don\'t

intend to partake in such practices. If I;m wrong, I apologize. I don\'t think that I am

though.

Peace,
Renegade

<hr /></blockquote>

Wherever did you get that idea? Am

I just missing something glaringly obvious? I haven\'t noticed Bel doing that at all.

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belgareth

02-18-2004, 12:03 PM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

With all do respect. I\'ve read several of your past posts. It seems

like you enjoy starting a pissing contest, for the sake of pissing. I don\'t intend to partake in such practices.

If I;m wrong, I apologize. I don\'t think that I am though.

Peace,
Renegade

<hr

/></blockquote>

Wherever did you get that idea? Am I just missing something glaringly

obvious? I haven\'t noticed Bel doing that at all. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

His comment didn\'t merit a public response so I didn\'t

make one. But thank you.

CptKipling

02-18-2004, 04:39 PM

Mixing products is far from crap, I for one have found my best results from mixing and using combos. No

one product is perfect, and I suppose it\'s not helped by the slight arrogance of thinking that we know better

then the manufacturers.

About the Phantom thing, dont worry about it, they\'ll get over it. You\'re new, you

have to expect some ribbing, right? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Anyway, just remember,

Mones Rule /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Renegade

02-19-2004, 05:18 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

With all do respect. I\'ve read several of your past posts. It seems like

you enjoy starting a pissing contest, for the sake of pissing. I don\'t intend to partake in such practices. If

I;m wrong, I apologize. I don\'t think that I am though.

Peace,
Renegade

<hr /></blockquote>

Wherever did you get that idea? Am I just missing something glaringly obvious? I haven\'t

noticed Bel doing that at all. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

No Comment!!!!

EXIT63

02-19-2004, 05:56 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Anyway, just remember, Mones Rule

<hr

/></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Yeah I think this Renegade guy is full of it.

Go back under

your bridge troll!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Renegade

02-19-2004, 08:13 AM

Some of you here are under the impression that I am a former member of this forum. That\'s not the case. I really

am new to this forum. I\'ve read many past posts here so that I could aquaint myself with some of the people

here.

I\'m a shoot from the hip type of person. If I pissed anyone off, I apologize.

Renegade

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

BigBear

02-19-2004, 08:23 AM

Renegad, you didnt piss me off hun!! Stay around, you sound like a hottie...lets go ridin sometime!!! <g>

------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Renegade

02-19-2004, 08:27 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Renegad, you didnt piss me off hun!! Stay around,

you sound like a hottie...lets go ridin sometime!!! <g>

------BigBadBear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Please tell me

you\'re a woman! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

CptKipling

02-19-2004, 08:36 AM

Asside from the identity issue...

To assume that you know better than the collective knowledge of a

forum, and to insult a respected moderator, is not the best way to make friends.

CJ01

02-19-2004, 09:03 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Renegad, you didnt piss

me off hun!! Stay around, you sound like a hottie...lets go ridin sometime!!! <g>

------BigBadBear

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please tell me

you\'re a woman!

<hr /></blockquote> hehehe

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
he has a hot sister but she likes me

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif though luck

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

nonscents

02-19-2004, 09:50 AM

Renegade,

I welcome you to this forum. You are a breath of fresh air. Well . . . maybe a breath of

NPA-stinky air. But really, no offense intended. You may stink badly but we in this forum recognize the benefits of

stink. Many of us eschew showers in pursuit of the right kind of stink.

But seriously. Some people here take this

all just a little bit too seriously. They seem to think that the collective wisdom accumulated here can be

colligated into some lawlike generalizations that admit of no exception.

The reality is that the spectrum of

effects experienced by mone users is broad almost beyond belief. One iconoclast, with a meticulous and precise

engineering bent, discovered that AE was only working for him when he used multiple droppersful (dropperfuls?) at a

time. This defied custom, tradition, and the collective dogma of many users. But I, for one, had little question

that this user was sincerely attempting to help others by sharing his experiences with the forum.

If one takes

rationality to be a virtue, one has to be a relativist about mones. There are no absolutes about how to use mones.

There is no method of mone use that works for all. The effectiveness of mones is totally relative to the user and

her situation.

When a newbie shows up here and says, \"Hi! I want to buy some pheromones. I\'m 5\'10\",

average looks, height, and weight. I want to have sex more frequently and I want everyone to like me. What should I

buy?\" some helpful person will jump right in with an answer. AE, SOE, TE.

The correct answer is that no one

knows what will work for you, you newbie! Maybe you\'re 18 years old but you need lots of \'none. Maybe

you\'re 45 years old and even a hint of \'none will be the kiss of death for you. Unfortunately, there are no

lawlike generalizations out there that admit of no exception.

So, what is the upshot of this rant, you ask

yourself? It is that empirical data is the gold standard. We should all embrace you, Renegade, even if you do smell

bad /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif because you have given us some more data points. We can ask

you to observe and share with us in greater detail the reactions of your targets. But to reject your data because it

does not agree the majority of data we have already collected would be the height of foolishness.

We need more

Renegades. We need so many Renegades that they won\'t be Renegades but they will be the majority. Then we\'ll

need renegade Renegades to smash the icons of the first-order renegades.

No Renegade, you are not a troll. You

will be called a troll because you say what some do not want to hear. But the truth cannot be repressed. (Well, it

could be repressed if you relied on government funding to publish your results. And it could be repressed if Bruce

wanted to repress it. But, fortunately, the government is not funding you and why would Bruce want to silence

someone who says there\'s no such thing as an OD? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Your

friend,
nonscents

OCP

02-19-2004, 09:56 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Renegade,

I welcome you to this forum. You are a

breath of fresh air. Well . . . maybe a breath of NPA-stinky air. But really, no offense intended. You may stink

badly but we in this forum recognize the benefits of stink. Many of us eschew showers in pursuit of the right kind

of stink.

But seriously. Some people here take this all just a little bit too seriously. They seem to think that

the collective wisdom accumulated here can be colligated into some lawlike generalizations that admit of no

exception.

The reality is that the spectrum of effects experienced by mone users is broad almost beyond belief.

One iconoclast, with a meticulous and precise engineering bent, discovered that AE was only working for him when he

used multiple droppersful (dropperfuls?) at a time. This defied custom, tradition, and the collective dogma of many

users. But I, for one, had little question that this user was sincerely attempting to help others by sharing his

experiences with the forum.

If one takes rationality to be a virtue, one has to be a relativist about mones.

There are no absolutes about how to use mones. There is no method of mone use that works for all. The effectiveness

of mones is totally relative to the user and her situation.

When a newbie shows up here and says, \"Hi! I want

to buy some pheromones. I\'m 5\'10\", average looks, height, and weight. I want to have sex more frequently and

I want everyone to like me. What should I buy?\" some helpful person will jump right in with an answer. AE, SOE,

TE.

The correct answer is that no one knows what will work for you, you newbie! Maybe you\'re 18 years old but

you need lots of \'none. Maybe you\'re 45 years old and even a hint of \'none will be the kiss of death for

you. Unfortunately, there are no lawlike generalizations out there that admit of no exception.

So, what is the

upshot of this rant, you ask yourself? It is that empirical data is the gold standard. We should all embrace you,

Renegade, even if you do smell bad /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif because you have given us some

more data points. We can ask you to observe and share with us in greater detail the reactions of your targets. But

to reject your data because it does not agree the majority of data we have already collected would be the height of

foolishness.

We need more Renegades. We need so many Renegades that they won\'t be Renegades but they will be

the majority. Then we\'ll need renegade Renegades to smash the icons of the first-order renegades.

No

Renegade, you are not a troll. You will be called a troll because you say what some do not want to hear. But the

truth cannot be repressed. (Well, it could be repressed if you relied on government funding to publish your results.

And it could be repressed if Bruce wanted to repress it. But, fortunately, the government is not funding you and why

would Bruce want to silence someone who says there\'s no such thing as an OD?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Your friend,
nonscents

<hr /></blockquote>

nonscents, nice post. Well organized and articulate.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gossamer_2701

02-19-2004, 11:19 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
No Renegade, you are not a troll.

<hr /></blockquote>

No he\'s.... Lorenzo Lamas

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif But

he\'ll always be \'Snake Eater\' to us /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bjf

02-19-2004, 11:42 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Renegade,

I welcome you to this forum. You are a

breath of fresh air. Well . . . maybe a breath of NPA-stinky air. But really, no offense intended. You may stink

badly but we in this forum recognize the benefits of stink. Many of us eschew showers in pursuit of the right kind

of stink.

But seriously. Some people here take this all just a little bit too seriously. They seem to think that

the collective wisdom accumulated here can be colligated into some lawlike generalizations that admit of no

exception.

The reality is that the spectrum of effects experienced by mone users is broad almost beyond belief.

One iconoclast, with a meticulous and precise engineering bent, discovered that AE was only working for him when he

used multiple droppersful (dropperfuls?) at a time. This defied custom, tradition, and the collective dogma of many

users. But I, for one, had little question that this user was sincerely attempting to help others by sharing his

experiences with the forum.

If one takes rationality to be a virtue, one has to be a relativist about mones.

There are no absolutes about how to use mones. There is no method of mone use that works for all. The effectiveness

of mones is totally relative to the user and her situation.

When a newbie shows up here and says, \"Hi! I want

to buy some pheromones. I\'m 5\'10\", average looks, height, and weight. I want to have sex more frequently and

I want everyone to like me. What should I buy?\" some helpful person will jump right in with an answer. AE, SOE,

TE.

The correct answer is that no one knows what will work for you, you newbie! Maybe you\'re 18 years old but

you need lots of \'none. Maybe you\'re 45 years old and even a hint of \'none will be the kiss of death for

you. Unfortunately, there are no lawlike generalizations out there that admit of no exception.

So, what is the

upshot of this rant, you ask yourself? It is that empirical data is the gold standard. We should all embrace you,

Renegade, even if you do smell bad /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif because you have given us some

more data points. We can ask you to observe and share with us in greater detail the reactions of your targets. But

to reject your data because it does not agree the majority of data we have already collected would be the height of

foolishness.

We need more Renegades. We need so many Renegades that they won\'t be Renegades but they will be

the majority. Then we\'ll need renegade Renegades to smash the icons of the first-order renegades.

No

Renegade, you are not a troll. You will be called a troll because you say what some do not want to hear. But the

truth cannot be repressed. (Well, it could be repressed if you relied on government funding to publish your results.

And it could be repressed if Bruce wanted to repress it. But, fortunately, the government is not funding you and why

would Bruce want to silence someone who says there\'s no such thing as an OD?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Your friend,
nonscents

<hr /></blockquote>

People provide fresh air all the time, only there isn\'t the cool, sure-of-himself,

tell-it-like-it-is rebel image in there. Nevertheless, the substance all the same. I agree with you a lot about

welcoming different points of view. It does give us more data points.

I don\'t mind Renegade being upset at

Bel. However, I was not crazy about his reponse to Bel. Disagreements on our pheromone beliefs should not get

personal, and rather, spirited arguments should be made.

I think a lot of people were turned off by Renegade\'s

response to Bel, not necessarily his hatred of TE\'s stench.

EXIT63

02-19-2004, 12:03 PM

Hey Renegade, have you ever tried copulins? What\'s your take on the social validation theory?

belgareth

02-19-2004, 01:12 PM

Nonscents makes some very good points. Fresh air and differing opinions are great for all of us and

we\'ve all seen that there are as many different ways of using mones as there are people. Renegade offers his own

view of things as do most of the rest of us. How many others here would simply start posting by saying that our own

ideas are right and the cumulative knowledge of all the rest is wrong and be accepted? Renegade\'s points should

be considered the same as any other claim, give him a chance to state his point of view, test out his statements and

compare it with our own knowledge and experience. It either will work for you or it won\'t. Personally, I don\'t

accept his statements as valid but that\'s my own opinion.

As for his trying to insult me, I haven\'t lost

much sleep over it. It\'s likely that some of my actions as a mod have caused worse things to be said about me.

Whether renegade\'s remarks towards me have any validity is up to each person to decide for themselves. If his

opening statements and pot shots at me were some kind of an attempt to establish himself quickly, for good or bad he

has accomplished it. But it doesn\'t really matter to me. I\'ll keep moderating the way I have been and keep

voicing my opinions, just as I hope every one of you do. However, in the best interest of the forum, I would

appreciate if we all dropped the name calling and insults.

Belgareth

nonscents

02-19-2004, 01:45 PM

Belgareth,

Nicely said.

nonscents

OCP

02-19-2004, 01:54 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
However, in the best interest of the forum, I

would appreciate if we all dropped the name calling and insults.

Belgareth

<hr /></blockquote>

100% agree with Belgareth.

CptKipling

02-20-2004, 04:00 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Renegade,

I welcome you to this

forum. You are a breath of fresh air. Well . . . maybe a breath of NPA-stinky air. But really, no offense intended.

You may stink badly but we in this forum recognize the benefits of stink. Many of us eschew showers in pursuit of

the right kind of stink.

But seriously. Some people here take this all just a little bit too seriously. They seem

to think that the collective wisdom accumulated here can be colligated into some lawlike generalizations that

admit of no exception.

The reality is that the spectrum of effects experienced by mone users is broad almost

beyond belief. One iconoclast, with a meticulous and precise engineering bent, discovered that AE was only working

for him when he used multiple droppersful (dropperfuls?) at a time. This defied custom, tradition, and the

collective dogma of many users. But I, for one, had little question that this user was sincerely attempting to help

others by sharing his experiences with the forum.

If one takes rationality to be a virtue, one has to be a

relativist about mones. There are no absolutes about how to use mones. There is no method of mone use that works for

all. The effectiveness of mones is totally relative to the user and her situation.

When a newbie shows up here

and says, \"Hi! I want to buy some pheromones. I\'m 5\'10\", average looks, height, and weight. I want to have

sex more frequently and I want everyone to like me. What should I buy?\" some helpful person will jump right in

with an answer. AE, SOE, TE.

The correct answer is that no one knows what will work for you, you newbie! Maybe

you\'re 18 years old but you need lots of \'none. Maybe you\'re 45 years old and even a hint of \'none will

be the kiss of death for you. Unfortunately, there are no lawlike generalizations out there that admit of no

exception.

So, what is the upshot of this rant, you ask yourself? It is that empirical data is the gold standard.

We should all embrace you, Renegade, even if you do smell bad /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

because you have given us some more data points. We can ask you to observe and share with us in greater detail the

reactions of your targets. But to reject your data because it does not agree the majority of data we have already

collected would be the height of foolishness.

We need more Renegades. We need so many Renegades that they

won\'t be Renegades but they will be the majority. Then we\'ll need renegade Renegades to smash the icons of the

first-order renegades.

No Renegade, you are not a troll. You will be called a troll because you say what some

do not want to hear. But the truth cannot be repressed. (Well, it could be repressed if you relied on government

funding to publish your results. And it could be repressed if Bruce wanted to repress it. But, fortunately, the

government is not funding you and why would Bruce want to silence someone who says there\'s no such thing as an

OD? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Your friend,
nonscents

<hr /></blockquote>

I am going to have to hold up my hand and admit to a poorly explained statement. I in no way

meant to imply the boldified (yes, I am getting fond of that word...) words above.

When I recommend a product it

is always going to be based on my results, what else can I do? If I liked a product and someone of a similar age

asks my advice, call me a Satan worshiper but I\'ll recommend my favourites and try to encourage them to

experiment.

\"The correct answer is that no one knows what will work for you, you newbie! \"

I think I once

said this. In fact, I could not agree more to most of what you said above.

However, I do not believe that he

offered anything new that challenged previous thinking (nor anything that challenged the sacred Phero Laws either).

What I was referring to was his statement about mixing, which is wrong. For him to say that it\'s \"crap\" is

just silly, it has worked very well for so many people. Maybe it was a colloquialism, maybe I don\'t care, who

knows?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
We should all embrace you, Renegade,

even if you do smell bad because you have given us some more data points... We need more Renegades. We need so many

Renegades that they won\'t be Renegades but they will be the majority. Then we\'ll need renegade Renegades to

smash the icons of the first-order renegades.

<hr /></blockquote>

True (although

possibly a little too zealous with the renegades for my taste /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

).

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
You will be called a troll because you say

what some do not want to hear. But the truth cannot be repressed.

<hr /></blockquote>

What do you think this is, a cult? Well, I didn\'t get my t-shirt.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

BTW, I\'m not sure if he\'s a troll either.

franki

02-20-2004, 04:02 PM

who cares? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

OCP

02-20-2004, 07:27 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
who cares?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, this is

old, let\'s move on. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

EXIT63

02-21-2004, 04:44 AM

If you keep posting in this thread. It will never die. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

tounge

02-21-2004, 07:06 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
If you keep posting in this thread. It will never

die. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

<hr /></blockquote> Good

Point! BTW, now that Phantom has reappeared, what happened to Renegade?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

bjf

02-21-2004, 07:23 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
If you keep posting in this thread. It will never die.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

<hr /></blockquote> Good Point!

BTW, now that Phantom has reappeared, what happened to Renegade?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

I don\'t

think they arethe same at all. It was just a joke...Renegade hates TE, Phantom gets laid with it all the time

Gossamer_2701

02-21-2004, 07:41 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
If you keep posting in this thread. It

will never die

<hr /></blockquote>

Post.... post.... post..... post

Post...

post... post... post

Sorry, I just couldn\'t resist /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I

personally think that Renegade (Lorenzo) is quite Friendly.... Don\'t ya think?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Icarus

02-21-2004, 10:51 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Phantom gets laid with it all the time

<hr

/></blockquote>

My nephew is a monkey.

bjf

02-21-2004, 11:02 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Phantom gets laid with it all the time

<hr /></blockquote>

My nephew is a monkey.

<hr /></blockquote>

tongue and cheek

Icarus

02-21-2004, 11:04 AM

Pot Kettle Black

Elana

02-21-2004, 11:14 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Pot Kettle Black

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif