Has this happened to you?

[OCP]

I have not used

pheros for a week. Today I opened my bottle of NPA and it was completely dry. I know it did not leak, so it must

have evaporated. I had the cap on tight. It is truely a mystery to me. Any suggestions?

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[rockstar15]

Maybe

someone else used it? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[upsidedown]

How much

was in the bottle a week ago?

[MysteriousMan]

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I have not used pheros for a week. Today I opened

my bottle of NPA and it was completely dry. I know it did not leak, so it must have evaporated. I had the cap on

tight. It is truely a mystery to me. Any suggestions? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



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What do you do when you think you are dreaming? &lt;evil

grin&gt;

Welcome to the dark side of life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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MysteriousMan

[Gossamer_2701]

OCP... I haven\'t used mine in like a month, and its still at the same level.
Did you keep it near a heat

source? Did you remove the dropper top?
Its puzzling b/c it certainly shouldn\'t evaporate that fast, and if the

bottle had tipped over and it had leaked out, you would definitely smell it for a very long time. A few drops on a

piece of paper lasts about two weeks or more.

[CJ01]

That´s strange

OCP /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I´ve had the same bottle of NPA/w since-I can´t even

rememeber when I bought it and it´s still got some left /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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The only explanation is this: Aliens from a paralell

universe came back in time in search for all things to help get them laid and found your NPA to be the answer to

their problems. Maybe they even found Bruces huge stash of mones in the warehouse and knicked that too?

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[bjf]

Acutally that

did happen to me, I had plently left one day and the next morning it was gone.

I was using it to add dabs when I

was out that night, and I figured I was so drunk I must have spilled it when I was dabbing.

[CJ01]

hehe, maybe you

just had a major phero buzz if you really spilled it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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[OCP]

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How much was in the bottle a week ago?

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Almost full. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Elana]

Maybe your

wife found it and down the drain it went. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[OCP]

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Did you remove the dropper top?


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Yes, I did. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[OCP]

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hehe, maybe you just had a major phero buzz if you

really spilled it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Do ya think

so? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[DrSmellThis]

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Maybe your wife found it and down the drain it

went. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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class=\"post\">Wouldn\'t be the first time in the forum.

[OCP]

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Maybe your wife found it and down the drain it went.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Wouldn\'t be

the first time in the forum.

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Perhaps, but the PI/m, AE/m and

WAGG are all intact. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[CJ01]

Maybe she USED

IT HERSELF and went out on the town /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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[oscar]

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\"Did you remove the dropper top?\" - Gossamer_2701


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\"Yes, I did.\" - OCP /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



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OCP,

Sounds to me like there\'s good news and bad news and

MAYBE some more good news.
The good news is that you may have unwittingly answered the oft asked question, \"Can I

just discard the reducer cap/dropper thingy?\".
The bad news is that it sounds like you took a serious hit to your

phero stash.
The \"MAYBE some more good news\" is that you MIGHT just be able to recoup your loss somewhat.

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It\'s possible that as the carrier of the NPA evaporated, some

quantity of the pheromones may have crystallized on the inside of the bottle. If this is the case you may be able to

get them back into liquid form with just a little work.

Assuming that you still have the bottle, add about a

milliliter of Everclear to it. Shake it up really well. SEAL it up tightly, (hope you\'ve still got the reducer

cap handy to help insure the seal, if not a tight cork or rubber stopper or even a few layers of cellophane snugly

rubber-banded as a lid should suffice.) Let it sit overnight, then shake it again. Sniff. Anything?
Do it for a few

days.
You may end up with a tincture of pheros that could conceivably be stronger than the original product. You

may end up with squat, but at least you tried!

If you don\'t have Everclear you can try it with distilled

water, preferably WARM.
But DON\'T try to warm Everclear, it\'s highly flammable.

Good Luck!

Oscar

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[bjf]

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\"Did you

remove the dropper top?\" - Gossamer_2701


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\"Yes, I did.\"

- OCP /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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OCP,

Sounds to me like there\'s good news and bad news and MAYBE some more good news.
The

good news is that you may have unwittingly answered the oft asked question, \"Can I just discard the reducer

cap/dropper thingy?\".
The bad news is that it sounds like you took a serious hit to your phero stash.
The

\"MAYBE some more good news\" is that you MIGHT just be able to recoup your loss somewhat.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

It\'s possible that as the carrier of the NPA evaporated, some

quantity of the pheromones may have crystallized on the inside of the bottle. If this is the case you may be able to

get them back into liquid form with just a little work.

Assuming that you still have the bottle, add about a

milliliter of Everclear to it. Shake it up really well. SEAL it up tightly, (hope you\'ve still got the reducer

cap handy to help insure the seal, if not a tight cork or rubber stopper or even a few layers of cellophane snugly

rubber-banded as a lid should suffice.) Let it sit overnight, then shake it again. Sniff. Anything?
Do it for a few

days.
You may end up with a tincture of pheros that could conceivably be stronger than the original product. You

may end up with squat, but at least you tried!

If you don\'t have Everclear you can try it with distilled

water, preferably WARM.
But DON\'T try to warm Everclear, it\'s highly flammable.

Good Luck!

Oscar

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If

you do it with cold water, shake it really well, you might be able to see the crystals floating. NPA has

crystalized on at least one forum member.

Make sure you use distilled though.

If you see the crystals, the

process of getting them to disolve involves heat, which is why Oscar recommended warm water (I believe). Heating

the cold water if you see the crystals is tricky because you do not want to overheat it and destroy the

pheros.

Anyway, that is seperate instructions all together.

[belgareth]

Pheros

are pretty heat tolerant. Placing the sealed bottle in a pan of hot water to warm them would not do any harm.

[oscar]

bjf,

It

could be that the pheros crystallize in the form of a glaze within the bottle, I don\'t know. Not being able to

see crystals doesn\'t necessarily mean that they\'re not there.
Besides, it\'s pretty tough to see anything

through an NPA bottle.

Drawing on Thunder\'s pioneering work with A-1 crystals a couple of years back (he ended

up over-diluting his crystalline A-1, in my opinion, evidently expecting it to dissolve much more quickly than it

did), I\'d assume that the phero crystals that might still be in the bottle might not \"give it up\" too easily

to any solvent used regardless of the temperature. Granted, warm solvent will work more quickly, but I believe that

time and patience will be more key to success.

At any rate, the phero crystals are likely to be way less soluble

than the common crystals we\'re all accustomed to seeing dissolve like salt and sugar, so it could be some

considerable amount of time before they\'re all dissolved.

OCP could get lucky. There could be half or more of

the original phero content left. In which case it would call for additional solvent(s). Myself I\'d alternate

Everclear, Water, Everclear, Water, to approximate the original carrier\'s contents. I wouldn\'t go over 4mL

total though. I really don\'t think you could reasonably expect ALL of the pheros to have crystallized.


Oscar

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[bjf]

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bjf,

It could be that the pheros crystallize in

the form of a glaze within the bottle, I don\'t know. Not being able to see crystals doesn\'t necessarily mean

that they\'re not there.
Besides, it\'s pretty tough to see anything through an NPA bottle.

Drawing on

Thunder\'s pioneering work with A-1 crystals a couple of years back (he ended up over-diluting his crystalline

A-1, in my opinion, evidently expecting it to dissolve much more quickly than it did), I\'d assume that the phero

crystals that might still be in the bottle might not \"give it up\" too easily to any solvent used regardless of

the temperature. Granted, warm solvent will work more quickly, but I believe that time and patience will be more key

to success.

At any rate, the phero crystals are likely to be way less soluble than the common crystals we\'re

all accustomed to seeing dissolve like salt and sugar, so it could be some considerable amount of time before

they\'re all dissolved.

OCP could get lucky. There could be half or more of the original phero content left. In

which case it would call for additional solvent(s). Myself I\'d alternate Everclear, Water, Everclear, Water, to

approximate the original carrier\'s contents. I wouldn\'t go over 4mL total though. I really don\'t think you

could reasonably expect ALL of the pheros to have crystallized.


Oscar

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Oscar,

I meant that he could look for the crystals after the water was added, once the glaze

mixed in.

About a month ago I came across a thread in which someone saw crystals in their NPA bottle.

I

emailed Bruce a question about it too. Because of that I can easily pull up the url. Here is the link

Crystals thread (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=UBB5&amp;Number=36819&amp;page=268&

amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1\")


Just figured that with water they

wouldn\'t dissolve as quickly and he could have a visual. That blue bottle is hard to see through though, even

when held to the light.

[DrSmellThis]

If

you\'re going to dissolve the crystals, I\'d use only straight everclear, just enough to be able to shake it up

well (maybe 25% full). Shake it a couple times a day for two weeks, storing it sometimes on its side while rotating

it. After they\'re dissolved to the max, I\'d add jojoba IF I wanted to dilute it more. Water is a waste of

time, I think. The problem is you don\'t know what strength you have left, unless you\'re really good at

smelling -none. Maybe it\'s not worth it.

I definitely got more life out of my A1 bottle after it was

empty by doing this, however.

[OCP]

I threw away

the dropper. An expensive lesson, but I have another bottle of NPA.

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[Gossamer_2701]

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An expensive lesson, but I have another bottle of

NPA

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An expensive experiment... remove the dropper, and see how long

it takes this bottle to evaporate /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
j/k... no need

to waste good mones /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[DrSmellThis]

I

recommend using empty chem set dropper bottles for NPA, if you have them.

[OCP]

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I recommend using empty chem set dropper bottles

for NPA, if you have them.

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Are they Boston rounds?

[DrSmellThis]

Beats

me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[OCP]

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Beats me.

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I there a

picture of the chem set online?

[CJ01]

Ethanol

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[OCP]

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Ethanol

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Huh?

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[CJ01]

I meant put

ethanol into the bottle for dilution.

[oscar]

Doc,

Yes.

Good idea about laying the bottle on its side and rotating. Though I\'d only do this with a reducer cap and the

original bottle cap in place. Everclear might just eat through cellophane if that\'s what you used as a lid

substitute.

OCP,

Yes. The dropper bottles that accompany the chem-set are Boston Rounds w/eyedropper type

caps, as are the bottles that the 10mL CS Pheros come in. The actual pheros in the chem-set (proper) come in @1 dram

flat-top vials though.

CJ,

Yes. Everclear = Ethanol = 95% Alcohol by volume (190 Proof) Distilled from 100%

Selected Grains. (Also available in a lesser strength of 75% Alc.)

Oscar

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[OCP]

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I meant put ethanol into the bottle for dilution.



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Just making sure.

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[Renegade]

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I have not used pheros for a week. Today I opened

my bottle of NPA and it was completely dry. I know it did not leak, so it must have evaporated. I had the cap on

tight. It is truely a mystery to me. Any suggestions? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



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I think you\'ve been exposed to too much none myself and are

hallucinating. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

There is no way that it could have evaporated that quickly. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[DefconX3]

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I have not used pheros for a week. Today I opened my bottle of NPA and it

was completely dry. I know it did not leak, so it must have evaporated. I had the cap on tight. It is truely a

mystery to me. Any suggestions? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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I think you\'ve been exposed to too much none myself and are

hallucinating. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

There is no way that it could have evaporated that quickly. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



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A week is plenty of time for ~5ml of alcohol based solvent to

evaporate...