View Full Version : Long Newbie post: overwhelemd by choices
novmode
02-08-2004, 07:57 AM
Hi everyone, I have a lot of dumb questions to ask and i feel like i should give a lot of information, so this is
gonna be a LONG one.
i just found this forum last night and i read the archives back to april or may. I\'ve
heard about \'mones\' over a year ago and have always wondered how well they work so i\'m considering giving
them a try but i\'m hoping for a bit of advice first before i go ahead and order anything. I\'m a poor college
student.
First, i\'m living at home this year, so i\'m wondering what shows up on your credit card
statements when you order? nosey parents suck.
Next question: What should i order? a little background
information on me and what i seem to have gathered from reading the forums (consequently i\'ve read so much that
i\'m just blatently overwhelemd and confused).
I\'m almost 20, i\'m about 5\'10\" w/ out shoes,about 180
lbs, stocky build (somewhat muscular), light olive (mediteranian) complexion, black/brown hair and brown eyes. In
terms of looks i\'m a mid 7, maybee low 8 on a good day. To give you an idea of my \'style\' i\'m into
heavy metal, i used to wear a lot of concert t-shirts, jeans, chains etc, no body peircings or tatoos though.
I\'ve tried to clean up my act a bit recently, i kind of look a bit like an itallian mobster now: long hair
slicked back in a pony tail, i wear a lot of polyester button down shirts and jeans, other than black the only other
colors i wear are red and sometimes dark blue, i feel that I really give off a strong lone wolf/clint eastwood vibe,
very unaproachable, i always look really serious, i\'m one of those people who don\'t smile unless they have a
real reason to.
so i guess that means i want to go with hardly any none, maybee something like
wagg?
In terms of my personal skills, i say people tend to like me once they get to know me. I can be funny,
i have a rather dry sense of humor though that tends to go right past a lot of people who think i\'m being
serious. I tend to be somewhat witty and sarcastic, although i can also be blatently sexual with my humor. My
friends (females included) love it. Around people i don\'t know i\'m just very dry though, witty and sarcastic
at best if i can come up w/ anything, with friends it just flows naturally. I\'m a difficult person to get to
know because i\'m unaproachble, and i\'m somewhat shy so i don\'t really approach anyone and it amplifies
about 10x in group situations, if there are just guys around i can fake it, but if there\'s even one girl in the
group i just sit there quietly. I have a hard time initiating conversation with girls i don\'t know, i never know
how to open up, what to say, etc. So i almost never approach girls unless i have a good reason to do so (which is
very rare). I\'m your typial geek, Electrical Engineering Major, president of the math club, oh yeah the ladies
swoon all over that stuff. so something that makes them chatty would be good and even approach me would be
great.
so i guess that would maybee be something like AE?
I like to wear scents, aftershave balms etc.
but i like stuff that\'s fairly unique. I was at the mall the other day I really liked curve and gio, but
everyone wears that stuff. I was thinking about some stuff by Yves Saint Lauren like Body Kuros. So i don\'t
know maybee something that would mix well with fragrecnes would be good? Or something with it\'s own unique
fragrence. I\'m not a huge fan of musks, but hey if the ladies like it i\'m down.
I\'m really starting
to ramble at this point. so in short what would all you experts out there reccomend i try for my \'style\' so
to speak. what about potenial mixes? I really can\'t afford to break the piggy bank though. and how do you guys
who live with your folks \'stealth order\' this stuff?
Thanks
belgareth
02-08-2004, 09:26 AM
Before you even consider mones you need to look at yourself and consider some changes. Yeah, it is
difficult to start a conversation with a stranger, especially a pretty girl. So? We\'ve all had that problem. Do
it anyway. The more you do it, the easier it gets. Try saying hello and asking a question (open ended) or give a
compliment. Make an effort to smile more often. Consider your appearance, is that the image you really want to
portray? Step outside your comfort zone and try some different clothes or colors or hairstyles.
Mones are great
and they do seem to do a lot of good but they are only a part of the overall picture. Personality and appearance far
overwhelm the mones, especially during the critical first impression. If you come across as unapproachable on first
sight, mones are not going to be a big help. If you come across as open and friendly, they can help you become
hugely successful.
I had the same problem with my parents regarding my mail when I was young. We finally had a
low key confrontation about it when I asked them how they felt about breaking federal law. If they open mail
addressed to you as an adult, they are commiting a crime. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row before you do
that, I had a copy of the federal statute to show them. Check with the postmaster\'s office for that.
EXIT63
02-08-2004, 09:27 AM
Speedreader Eh?
1. I believe it says L-S products on the statement.
2. Wagg and AE
3. Check
the customer service department forum for ordering questions or click on \"ordering\" on the Love-Scent home
page.
Hope this helps.
markus
02-08-2004, 10:09 AM
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Mones are great and they do seem to do
a lot of good but they are only a part of the overall picture. Personality and appearance far overwhelm the mones,
especially during the critical first impression.
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i agree 100
percent about personality far overwhelming the mones, but do you really think appearance is more important than
mones? i am not sure. even in the critical first moments. unless by appearance you mean also the way you move and
hold your body. but i would count that as personality. maybe i will call it physical personality. tone of voice will
also go in this category. apearance as in what cloths you wear is not really important IMHO. there are also so many
kinds of women, and you never know what they (dont) like about the guys cloths, whereas you can always say that a
woman finds attractive a guy that is confident.
belgareth
02-08-2004, 10:44 AM
Since I am a minimalist on mone usage, I think appearance does have a significant impact. If the
effective range of the mones is say 5-6 feet, and the time it takes to create a pheromone impression is a couple
seconds, then what a woman sees is going to form the first impression. That will happen long before she gets close
enough to be hit by the mones. If you are wearing enough mones to cause a reaction at 15-20 feet the first
impression may be different but will you encounter repulsion at close range? (Phew, he stinks! or scary?) Yes, some
women will be attracted to the gangster look but I believe that more will be put off by it. Don\'t most women, or
people in general, want to be around somebody that is fun? Some probably would like the thrill of the dangerous type
but why not shoot for the majority? I also wonder what problems you may encounter when your appeaarance (includes
body language) contradicts your mone signature. Wouldn\'t that cause a subconcious trust issue? If every aspect of
a person is in agreement, wouldn\'t that make a woman more likely to trust him?
novmode
02-08-2004, 11:35 AM
belgar, I admit you pose some interesting points and you also lay out some good common sense. I
appreciate your and everyone elses replies.
I agree that physical appearance does go a long way, which is why
i\'ve tried to clean mine up lately as i\'ve said. I used to be a total slob, and now I\'m going for a
cleaner look while still maintaining what i feel to be my \'appearance-individuality\'.
I\'ve read a LOT
of posts in the past day inclduing some outrageous stuff. All I\'m really hoping as that mones would help with
that initial encounter to meet new people, such as the stories i\'ve read of girls just comming up to guys and
saying \'hi\' and starting conversations.
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belgar, I admit you pose some interesting points
and you also lay out some good common sense. I appreciate your and everyone elses replies.
I agree that
physical appearance does go a long way, which is why i\'ve tried to clean mine up lately as i\'ve said. I used
to be a total slob, and now I\'m going for a cleaner look while still maintaining what i feel to be my
\'appearance-individuality\'.
I\'ve read a LOT of posts in the past day inclduing some outrageous stuff.
All I\'m really hoping as that mones would help with that initial encounter to meet new people, such as the
stories i\'ve read of girls just comming up to guys and saying \'hi\' and starting conversations.
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Try Wagg and go from there.
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markus
02-08-2004, 12:39 PM
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Since I am a minimalist on mone usage,
I think appearance does have a significant impact. If the effective range of the mones is say 5-6 feet, and the time
it takes to create a pheromone impression is a couple seconds, then what a woman sees is going to form the first
impression. That will happen long before she gets close enough to be hit by the mones. If you are wearing enough
mones to cause a reaction at 15-20 feet the first impression may be different but will you encounter repulsion at
close range? (Phew, he stinks! or scary?) Yes, some women will be attracted to the gangster look but I believe that
more will be put off by it. Don\'t most women, or people in general, want to be around somebody that is fun? Some
probably would like the thrill of the dangerous type but why not shoot for the majority? I also wonder what problems
you may encounter when your appeaarance (includes body language) contradicts your mone signature. Wouldn\'t that
cause a subconcious trust issue? If every aspect of a person is in agreement, wouldn\'t that make a woman more
likely to trust him?
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i also wear small none amounts so we\'re
not talking 20 feet reaction here. still, the pheros work pretty fast. i think a few seconds is much much more than
what it takes for the mones to get into play. i would go with a fraction of a second. i\'ve seen women coming into
the crowded underground and immediately starting to look where the mones are comeing from. when you come up to a
woman and say hi, or something else, she will see your appearance and react to the mones at the same time. now, if
you sit somewhere and exchange looks for a while, then you are right, but in the normal situations when i hit on a
girl it doesn\'t make a change (i creep from behind and say a sexy hallo
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ).
the good question is what happens when the mones and your
appearance contradict each other. here i think you are probably right and one has a problem. but one should also
remember that interpreting appearance as neat or baggy or whatever is not a pure scientific thing, it is also
influenced from the mones. go with the same cloths without the mones and with the mones and your appearance would be
received differently.
Friendly1
02-08-2004, 12:56 PM
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apearance as in what cloths you wear is
not really important IMHO.
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You have a LOT to learn about women, if
you think they don\'t consider the clothes you wear to be important. Most guys blow it with Dream Girl simply by
dressing the wrong way. You never get off the ground if you don\'t show the girls you\'ve got some style
sense.
There will always be a few horny ones on the prowl, looking for some quick action. But most single women
are looking for long-term relationships when they are looking at all.
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But most single women are looking for long-term
relationships when they are looking at all.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> OH yes. All girls I
know want men for real longterm relationships! Yeah right!
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Clothes are not THAT important, it depends on your wardrobe if
you need to get new/different gear or not and also what circles you move in.
Okay now I gotta read the entire
thread /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Rakesh
02-08-2004, 01:05 PM
Out of the girls I know, most want somebody with a thick wallet, a car and two mount everests worth of
arrogance.
belgareth
02-08-2004, 01:11 PM
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apearance as in what cloths you wear is not really important IMHO.
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You have a LOT to learn about women, if you think they don\'t
consider the clothes you wear to be important. Most guys blow it with Dream Girl simply by dressing the wrong way.
You never get off the ground if you don\'t show the girls you\'ve got some style sense.
There will always
be a few horny ones on the prowl, looking for some quick action. But most single women are looking for long-term
relationships when they are looking at all.
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Your
appearance says an awful lot about you and women notice. Not just the type of clothes you wear but many other
details as well. Some women are turned on by the outdoors, rugged look and prefer a deeply tanned man in jeans and
tee shirt, others would like to see a man in a suit and tie. Almost all of them look at whether he is well groomed
or sloppy about his appearance.
Isn\'t \'common sense\' an oxymoron?
Rakesh
02-08-2004, 01:14 PM
Belga im a combination of both:)
Normally im mostly in green and brown, long hair, the rugged-type
facial hair left to its own fate for a few days, native american beads around my neck (the inch thick line), plus I
do look slightly indianish (tan, black hair).
However, if there\'s need, I shave, tie my hair into a pony tail
and voila, transformation from a woodsman to a serious mafiosoish businessman in 20 minutes
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Out of the girls I know, most want somebody with a
thick wallet, a car and two mount everests worth of arrogance.
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Most?! Well that implies that at least some of them are worth talking too.
I wouldn´t waste my time with such cool
personality challenged people as you´ve described /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Rakesh
02-08-2004, 01:19 PM
Well thats exactly my opinion. Treat the nice girls as human beings, and the bitches don\'t deserve
anything better than being mistreated, since that\'s what they want anyway.
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apearance as
in what cloths you wear is not really important IMHO.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You have a
LOT to learn about women, if you think they don\'t consider the clothes you wear to be important. Most guys blow
it with Dream Girl simply by dressing the wrong way. You never get off the ground if you don\'t show the girls
you\'ve got some style sense.
There will always be a few horny ones on the prowl, looking for some quick
action. But most single women are looking for long-term relationships when they are looking at all.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Your appearance says an awful lot about you and women notice. Not just the
type of clothes you wear but many other details as well. Some women are turned on by the outdoors, rugged look and
prefer a deeply tanned man in jeans and tee shirt, others would like to see a man in a suit and tie. Almost all of
them look at whether he is well groomed or sloppy about his appearance.
Isn\'t \'common sense\' an
oxymoron?
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Be yourself. If you create a certain look just to
attract women, then you attract women to the look and not who you are. You may not get along with this type of
lady. For instance I am a jeans and T-shirt kinda guy. If I went out in a suit then I would attract women who like
guys in suits and not women who like guys in jeans and T-shirts and the personalities are very different most of the
time. I hope that makes sense. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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Well thats exactly my opinion. Treat the nice girls
as human beings, and the bitches don\'t deserve anything better than being mistreated, since that\'s what they
want anyway.
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I second this opinion.
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Elana
02-08-2004, 01:26 PM
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Your appearance says an awful lot
about you and women notice. Not just the type of clothes you wear but many other details as well. Some women are
turned on by the outdoors, rugged look and prefer a deeply tanned man in jeans and tee shirt, others would like to
see a man in a suit and tie. Almost all of them look at whether he is well groomed or sloppy about his appearance.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Gimme a man in Levi\'s and a tight white T-shirt and I am
good to go.
markus
02-08-2004, 01:27 PM
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
apearance as in what cloths you wear is not really important IMHO.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You have a LOT to learn about women, if you think they don\'t consider
the clothes you wear to be important. Most guys blow it with Dream Girl simply by dressing the wrong way. You
never get off the ground if you don\'t show the girls you\'ve got some style sense.
There will always be a
few horny ones on the prowl, looking for some quick action. But most single women are looking for long-term
relationships when they are looking at all.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
if a woman is
looking for a long term relationship and all she cares about is the cloths, then she is not my dream girl. i sure
have a lot more to learn about women, and i am always glad to do it
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif but i have also seen enough to know that if you are charming
enough, they wont give a second look on the cloths. which doesn\'t mean appearance is totaly not important. but
appearance itself is far more than cloths. its far more important the way you move your body, the way you hold it,
the way you talk, than what you wear.
now, if you dont have charm, you might want to buy some expensive cool
looking cloths.
Don\'t worry so much about what women want, worry about what YOU want.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Your appearance says an awful lot about you and women notice. Not just the
type of clothes you wear but many other details as well. Some women are turned on by the outdoors, rugged look and
prefer a deeply tanned man in jeans and tee shirt, others would like to see a man in a suit and tie. Almost all of
them look at whether he is well groomed or sloppy about his appearance.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Gimme a man in Levi\'s and a tight white T-shirt and I am good to go.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You just made my point better than my earlier ramble did.
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franki
02-08-2004, 01:28 PM
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First, i\'m living at home this
year, so i\'m wondering what shows up on your credit card statements when you order? nosey parents suck.
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They read YOUR CC statements?? Or are you using their cards?
...
You DON\'T WANT to start with WAGG in my book! It\'s funny stuff, but it is not the easiest stuff to
figure out I find. Start with AE, you can hardly go wrong with that.
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Rakesh
02-08-2004, 01:30 PM
If there\'s something women deffinitely don\'t dig, it\'s losers with no backbone who will do
anything to appeal them. They will prefer a guy who wears, thinks and does stuff they don\'t agree with but he is
firm in his self. The \"what can i do to make you like me\" shows a lousy weak personality that isn\'t a good
material, neither genetically nor for a relationship.
markus
02-08-2004, 01:34 PM
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If there\'s something women
deffinitely don\'t dig, it\'s losers with no backbone who will do anything to appeal them. They will prefer a
guy who wears, thinks and does stuff they don\'t agree with but he is firm in his self. The \"what can i do to
make you like me\" shows a lousy weak personality that isn\'t a good material, neither genetically nor for a
relationship.
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and that includes \"what cloths can i wear to make
you like me\"
its all about charm, humor and confidence. not cloths.
oh and an interesting personality can
come in hand too for long term relationships. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Rakesh
02-08-2004, 01:38 PM
Well the more guys care about their looks the less you can bet is inside. Does have exceptions, but
good as a general rule.
Elana
02-08-2004, 01:40 PM
Down with Metrosexual\'s /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You don´t need to know `what women want´ or like. When you´re with a woman you need to know what she likes and
wants in particular - that´s what you need to know as far as women are concerned. F*ck I´m starting this repeating
sh*t again
Ian_C
02-08-2004, 01:42 PM
Not sure I agree with that Rakesh, as what you\'ve described as a weak \'bend over backwards\'
attitude can also be interpreted, in small measures, as a willingness to compromise - which is pretty much essential
in any relationship.
Being your own man is one thing, but being unwilling to change for anyone is a sure road to
unhappiness.
I\'m somewhat like you Novmode, very dry sense of humour that, those who don\'t know me, can
interpret as me being serious. All I can advise is to take your \'self-improvements\' one step at a time,
I\'m embarked on a gradual regime of just being more confident and friendly to those that I might pass in the
street ( obviously discresion is called for here as well, you don\'t want to smile and make eye contact with an
obvious Psychopath ), just building it up to look and smiling pleasantly at, say, two people in any one day, then as
time draws on you feel gradually more confident to up the ante.
Also, getting Pheros to work for you can be a
pretty daunting learning curve, so don\'t take any extreme reactions you might recieve personally. I was out last
night wearing four drops of AE/m, went dancing and approached this one girl and she couldn\'t get away from me
fast enough, she literally ran straight from the dance floor, for a moment I was totally shattered then I realised I
must have ODed, as it was a pretty extreme reaction ( and I was dressed and groomed well, etc ).
Don\'t expect
these things to work miracles right away, a lucky few get that but most don\'t, think of the mones as merely a
building block in your plans to become a stronger, more confident individual.
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Elana
02-08-2004, 01:48 PM
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You don´t need to know `what women
want´
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You mean we don\'t all want the same thing?
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I thought we all wanted men with tons of money, a nice car and
dressed to the hilt. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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belgareth
02-08-2004, 01:48 PM
CJ:
You\'re right, of course. There are always that sort of women around and they are best
avoided. I can\'t imagine bothering with any of them. UGH!!
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Rake:
I am middle aged now and it may have changed my
perspective a bit. I simply don\'t give a crap what people think about the way I dress. As a businessman who
sometimes has to crawl under a desk or into an attic, I find that khakis or jeans and a button down shirt are best.
My beard is short and neat because that\'s how I think a beard should look, unshaven or unruly beards and
moustaches look dirty to me. Large, showy or garish jewelry is usually laughable. Since I spend a large part of my
day at a keyboard, people expect my hands to be soft, they aren\'t. I don\'t tan and quit trying years ago, in
the summer my skin is slightly red, in the winter it\'s pale. I am of medium height and try hard to not look
muscular. Ok, add to that a touch of aloofness and a rather sharp sense of humor.
In other words, I intentionally
don\'t do 90% of what these dating books and websites say you should do. Yet there has never been a shortage of
wonderful women in my life. The biggest and most important things are always overlooked. Be confidant and friendly.
Don\'t direct your attention only to what you would call 9s or 10s. Be nice to everybody. Be fun and interesting
to be around and be trustworthy. But never, ever be a push over for anybody! Practice a good attitude at all times.
It will be worth every bit of the effort.
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I thought we all wanted men with tons of money, a
nice car and dressed to the hilt.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">I thought we want them undressed
so it doesn´t matter what gear they got on /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
PS this does not
NOT include bad-taste underwear! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Elana
02-08-2004, 01:55 PM
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I thought we all wanted men with tons of money, a nice car and dressed to
the hilt.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">I thought we want them undressed so it doesn´t matter
what gear they got on /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
PS this not NOT include bad-taste
underwear! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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class=\"post\">
Wooooooo /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Good point.
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Underwear...tight cotton Calvin Klein boxers. Oh yeah!!!
franki
02-08-2004, 02:06 PM
If you have been a broke-ass college student you know it is alot easier to \"get girls\" when you can
flash at least \"a bit\" of money. Another advantage of making money is that you can actually \"get a life\"..
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oscar
02-08-2004, 02:19 PM
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......I\'m a poor college student.
....
I\'m almost 20, i\'m about 5\'10\" w/ out shoes,about 180 lbs,............
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novmode,
I\'d strongly advise getting yourself some shoes before
investing any money in pheromones. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Oscar
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belgareth
02-08-2004, 02:26 PM
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If you have been a broke-ass college
student you know it is alot easier to \"get girls\" when you can flash at least \"a bit\" of money. Another
advantage of making money is that you can actually \"get a life\"..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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I was for four
very long years. Made no difference, still had plenty of female company. Some of the finest women I\'ve ever known
because they had brains as well as looks.
Rakesh
02-08-2004, 02:27 PM
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Not sure I agree with that Rakesh, as
what you\'ve described as a weak \'bend over backwards\' attitude can also be interpreted, in small measures,
as a willingness to compromise - which is pretty much essential in any relationship.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\"> there\'s a difference between compromising when making decision about your life together and
changing your style and opinions to suit your significant otherworldly.
apple
02-08-2004, 02:41 PM
men should just have their own lives, keep clean (good hygene best thing to have), be kind and
conciderate, willing to comprimize without degrading themselves or doing things they really dont want to. speak up
and be honest about what you do and do not like, let your feelings be known without being bossy or whiney. always
strive to better yourself and improve your life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif women will flock
to you! and very easily fall for you if you want that from them. Youll be able to pick who you want
just my
opinion
Rakesh
02-08-2004, 02:44 PM
Belga- even though I\'m ballancing on the razor blade edge of teens breaking into twenties, I would
say I arrived at the same conclusion. Laughable guys who always wear the trendiest clothes and use hair gel to build
miniature Taj Mahal on their heads only score with the simplest \"wow look at his cell phone\" girls. Of course,
there\'s mutual satisfaction as the guys get laid (which is all they care about) and the girls get their emotional
fulfillment (IE falling in love with jerks). I\'m after something else.
Thus, negating this attitude with the
exact opposite is a good way to locate the exact opposite of the above mentioned girls. If you want to attract
ducks, don\'t use fish bait.
belgareth
02-08-2004, 03:31 PM
As an aside, what is Belga? I\'m trying to decide if it a type of cheese or a new type of cavier.
franki
02-08-2004, 03:34 PM
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As an aside, what is Belga?
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Sounds like a polish girl\'s name, or a new vodka..
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Friendly1
02-08-2004, 04:28 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
But most single women are looking for long-term relationships when they are
looking at all.
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OH yes. All girls I know want men for real
longterm relationships! Yeah right! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
You managed to quote the whole sentence but not pay attention to what it says. Two demerits
for you, my dear.
Next....
Friendly1
02-08-2004, 04:37 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
if a woman is looking for a long term
relationship and all she cares about is the cloths, then she is not my dream girl.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Regardless of what you\'re seeing posted in this thread, MOST WOMEN judge men quickly on the
basis of their appearance. This is a well-documented behavior.
How you choose to dress yourself says a great
deal about you.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
but i have also seen enough to
know that if you are charming enough, they wont give a second look on the cloths.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
That really depends on what they are looking for at the moment. Like I said, there are always
a few looking to scarf up some action. Most people, men and women alike, have different standards for long-term and
short-term relationships.
You can believe you have all the charm in the world, but it won\'t change the fact
that you\'re still looking for ways to meet and attract women. So, clearly, the charm factor isn\'t
satisfactory for you, is it?
Clothes don\'t close the deal any more than pheromones or charm, but give any
woman a choice between two men of equal quality, where one is better dressed than the other, and most women go for
the best-dressed man.
That is the way several studies have turned out, especially using two pictures of the same
man, one where he is better-dressed, etc. Women also tend to pick men with dilated pupils (again, using two
pictures of the same man). Women also tend to pick men who are tall, muscular, and square-jawed.
I\'m not
saying you should start working out. But if you think clothes are not important, you\'re just plain flat-busted
wrong. They ARE important. They make that critical, all-important first impression before the man ever opens his
mouth and sticks his foot into it.
Friendly1
02-08-2004, 04:41 PM
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If there\'s something women
deffinitely don\'t dig, it\'s losers with no backbone who will do anything to appeal them.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'m sure all the losers in the world are just hiding under rocks right
now, now that the truth is out.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
They will prefer
a guy who wears, thinks and does stuff they don\'t agree with but he is firm in his self.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes. I see these guys shoot themselves down in flames all the
time.
However, if you are really getting all the female attention you crave with the pony-tail, then, by all
means, just keep doing what you\'re doing. Don\'t try anything different. It obviously wouldn\'t work
because it\'s just a cheap, manipulative trick.
Friendly1
02-08-2004, 04:46 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
men should just have their own lives,
keep clean (good hygene best thing to have), be kind and conciderate, willing to comprimize without degrading
themselves or doing things they really dont want to. speak up and be honest about what you do and do not like, let
your feelings be known without being bossy or whiney. always strive to better yourself and improve your life
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif women will flock to you!
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
You\'ve just described the classic Nice Guy. And, oddly enough, Nice Guys don\'t get many
women.
I\'ve seen plenty of them complain about how women aren\'t interested in them.
Women are attracted
to confident, successful men, and they often make bad choices because a lot of men who seem confident and successful
turn out to be total jerks. The Nice Guys tend to get more attention from older, experienced women who are tired of
being treated badly.
Well-dressed men are generally treated with greater respect in society. They get more
attention than not-so-well dressed men. It comes down to how you present yourself.
Some people will not accept
reality. Can\'t change that. To each their own.
belgareth
02-08-2004, 04:59 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
men should just have their own lives, keep clean (good hygene best thing to
have), be kind and conciderate, willing to comprimize without degrading themselves or doing things they really dont
want to. speak up and be honest about what you do and do not like, let your feelings be known without being bossy or
whiney. always strive to better yourself and improve your life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
women will flock to you!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You\'ve just described the classic
Nice Guy. And, oddly enough, Nice Guys don\'t get many women.
I\'ve seen plenty of them complain about
how women aren\'t interested in them.
Women are attracted to confident, successful men, and they often make
bad choices because a lot of men who seem confident and successful turn out to be total jerks. The Nice Guys tend
to get more attention from older, experienced women who are tired of being treated badly.
Well-dressed men
are generally treated with greater respect in society. They get more attention than not-so-well dressed men. It
comes down to how you present yourself.
Some people will not accept reality. Can\'t change that. To each
their own.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Anybody that believes nice guys don\'t
get many (younger) women is foolimg himself. You can be a nice guy and not a push over. But then, I am only
interested in nice, intelligent and well educated women. Maybe that\'s the difference. Unless a woman can hold a
conversation about a subject of greater depth than her nails or what\'s on the TV, I am not interested.
Friendly1
02-08-2004, 05:08 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Anybody that believes nice guys
don\'t get many (younger) women is foolimg himself.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I spend a lot
of time with women in their 20s (I\'m in my 40s). They\'re looking for fun and excitement. They eat nice guys
for breakfast. I\'ve walked away with the girl on many an occasion as the nice (young) guy stood silently in the
background wishing he had had the courage to speak up and say something. Now, Apple did say the guy should SPEAK
UP. Except for that, she was describing a Nice Guy, so my response was a little off the
mark.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You can be a nice guy and not a push
over.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You can be a GENTLEMAN and not be a pushover, but that
isn\'t really what I was speaking about. I\'ll agree that women DO like gentlemen, and gentlemen get lots of
attention. A nice guy hasn\'t learned how to be a gentleman.
novmode
02-08-2004, 05:32 PM
wow i go out for a few hours and i come back to see i opened a can of worms.
franki: my parents read
all my mail they even open some packages, but during school months they help me out a bit w/ the bills, so i\'m
kinda screwed there.
IanC: I\'m actually trying to do that, i went to the mall today for no other reason that to
just try and exchange a few smiles and glances, and did the same thing at the gym. starting slowly lol but better
than living under my rock.
Elana: lol money and a nice car eh? i can fake those, my car is pretty nice in terms
of appearance, it\'s a newer mustang convertible... to all the motorheads it\'s only a 6 but so what, it gets
looks.
Oscar: LOL smartass, but i enjoy playing basket ball in the street on broken glass with no shoes uphill
both ways!
and essentially to what has been said abut the nice guy syndrome,that\'s pretty much what I am, the
nice guy who never really wants to say anything that might be in the slightest way out of place. which is why
i\'m horrible in hanging out in groups, but 1on1 i can usually fly on my own pretty well. As for what i beleive
belgar said, I too am not interested in girls who\'s idea of a meaningful conversation is about her nails or the
new tom cruise movie, I like somewhat educated women who can hold conversations with topics that contain glimmers of
depth.
belgareth
02-08-2004, 05:42 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Anybody that believes nice guys don\'t get many (younger) women is foolimg
himself.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I spend a lot of time with women in their 20s (I\'m in
my 40s). They\'re looking for fun and excitement. They eat nice guys for breakfast. I\'ve walked away with
the girl on many an occasion as the nice (young) guy stood silently in the background wishing he had had the courage
to speak up and say something. Now, Apple did say the guy should SPEAK UP. Except for that, she was describing a
Nice Guy, so my response was a little off the mark.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
You can be a nice guy and not a push over.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You can be a
GENTLEMAN and not be a pushover, but that isn\'t really what I was speaking about. I\'ll agree that women DO
like gentlemen, and gentlemen get lots of attention. A nice guy hasn\'t learned how to be a gentleman.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You seem to be using Nice Guy as a synomym for wimp or something
similar. Maybe we are disagreeing about semantics not behavoir. I try hard to be the good guy but am also assertive
and unlikely to even give the time of day to the type women you describe.
dogsbutt
02-08-2004, 05:57 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I spend a lot of time with women in
their 20s (I\'m in my 40s). They\'re looking for fun and excitement. They eat nice guys for breakfast.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Friendly1, I defiinitely fall under the nice guy category, and I\'m
*reasonably* attractive (not overwhelmingly). I\'ve dated women (this year alone) from 18-32 years old, and
almost all of them (and their friends) have said to me \"You\'re such a nice guy. A woman would kill to be with
a guy like you.\" I am certain that somewhere, at some point or another, a woman HAS killed for me.
I\'ve
dated fun/adventurous women, I\'ve dated a stay at home mom. Every single person I\'ve dated has loved being
treated with care, consideration of their opinions and feelings, generosity (not with money, mind you).
It\'s
not just being a gentleman, it\'s being NICE. I think you may have fallen into that cynical trap that nice guys
finish last, and that alpha males (or \"gentlemen,\" or however you want to describe it) aren\'t \"nice.\"
It\'s a pretty shitty trap to fall into.
It doesn\'t matter how you label it; women (and men) go for people
that\'ll give them what they want. Your selection criteria may be such that you only find women that don\'t
like nice men. Some women don\'t want \"nice,\" and that\'s what you\'re stuck with. Your choice. But, it
leads a to fairly parochial view of women IN GENERAL if you start to say that because all the women you\'ve dated
don\'t like nice men, all women don\'t like nice men.
And, by the way, I don\'t even believe it of the
women you\'ve dated. I\'d be more apt to believe that your strategy seems to work for you because of your set
of beliefs (you\'re 40, they\'re 20. You must have a handful of beliefs wrapped around that). I\'ve dated
plenty of 20 somethings who have told me that, before dating me, they dated guys to manipulate them and play with
their emotions before tossing them aside. But, it turns out, even those girls want nice guys, if those guys know
how THEY (the specific women) want to be treated.
Yes, GENERAL alpha quality wins out over GENERAL nice guy, when
it GENERALLY comes to women. But, general models tend to break down when it comes to specifics. And ALL models
seem to break down when it comes to actual human beings.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
A nice guy hasn\'t learned how to be a
gentleman.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Friendly, sometimes when I read your posts, I
think, \"there is a guy who gets it.\" However, you do not get it all the time, perhaps a result of trying to
fullfill the authoratarian image you have carved out for yourself.
If you are going to spew crap, at least
do so with some humility.
You are completely arrogant about your ignorance.
belgareth
02-08-2004, 06:47 PM
Dogsbutt & BJF,
It sounds like you two do get it though. Good for you. I expect that you both
have pretty happy, secure relationships with great women. In the long run, nice guys do finish first and usually end
up with the best. Keep being the nice guys that you seem to be, it\'s very admirable.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
wow i go out for a few hours and i come back to see
i opened a can of worms.
franki: my parents read all my mail they even open some packages, but during school
months they help me out a bit w/ the bills, so i\'m kinda screwed there.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
P.O. box.....no problems! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
and essentially to what has been said abut the nice
guy syndrome,that\'s pretty much what I am, the nice guy who never really wants to say anything that might be in
the slightest way out of place. which is why i\'m horrible in hanging out in groups, but 1on1 i can usually fly
on my own pretty well. As for what i beleive belgar said, I too am not interested in girls who\'s idea of a
meaningful conversation is about her nails or the new tom cruise movie, I like somewhat educated women who can hold
conversations with topics that contain glimmers of depth.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Spoken from experience.....there are times to be nice and there are times to kick some major
a$$. Be nice until it is time to be a complete A$$hole. Nice is good until someone wants to take advantage of you
and then back them against the wall.
Question is do you have what it takes to back someone down when they
challenge you?
Having teenagers has given me alot of insight into human behavior. Watching my 13 yr old
daughter manipulate boys has been very enlightening. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
men should
just have their own lives, keep clean (good hygene best thing to have), be kind and conciderate, willing to
comprimize without degrading themselves or doing things they really dont want to. speak up and be honest about what
you do and do not like, let your feelings be known without being bossy or whiney. always strive to better yourself
and improve your life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif women will flock to you!
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You\'ve just described the classic Nice Guy. And, oddly enough, Nice
Guys don\'t get many women.
I\'ve seen plenty of them complain about how women aren\'t interested in
them.
Women are attracted to confident, successful men, and they often make bad choices because a lot of men who
seem confident and successful turn out to be total jerks. The Nice Guys tend to get more attention from older,
experienced women who are tired of being treated badly.
Well-dressed men are generally treated with greater
respect in society. They get more attention than not-so-well dressed men. It comes down to how you present
yourself.
Some people will not accept reality. Can\'t change that. To each their own.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Anybody that believes nice guys don\'t get many (younger) women is
foolimg himself.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Oh please, the younger ones only want money,
cars and looks. Damn the little girls who are stupid! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Dogsbutt & BJF,
It sounds like you two do
get it though. Good for you. I expect that you both have pretty happy, secure relationships with great women. In the
long run, nice guys do finish first and usually end up with the best. Keep being the nice guys that you seem to be,
it\'s very admirable.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Be nice, but do NOT be a pushover.....be
a man and know when to say NO! Yes the women will be pissed because they did not get their way, but you will gain
respect because you said NO!
Always remeber that, you are the man and you do have the last word...always.
Otherwise women laugh at you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
dogsbutt
02-08-2004, 07:57 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Spoken from experience.....there are
times to be nice and there are times to kick some major a$$. Be nice until it is time to be a complete
A$$hole.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Or, as Swayze says in Road House, \"I want you to be nice
until it\'s time to not be nice.\"
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Spoken from experience.....there are times to be nice and there are times to
kick some major a$$. Be nice until it is time to be a complete A$$hole.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Or, as Swayze says in Road House, \"I want you to be nice until it\'s time to not be
nice.\"
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
We will get along! Welcome!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
belgareth
02-08-2004, 08:01 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Dogsbutt & BJF,
It sounds like you two do get it though. Good for you.
I expect that you both have pretty happy, secure relationships with great women. In the long run, nice guys do
finish first and usually end up with the best. Keep being the nice guys that you seem to be, it\'s very admirable.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Be nice, but do NOT be a pushover.....be a man and know when to
say NO! Yes the women will be pissed because they did not get their way, but you will gain respect because you said
NO!
Always remeber that, you are the man and you do have the last word...always. Otherwise women laugh at you.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Never a
pushover but really don\'t care about having the last word. That\'s an ego thing and my ego doesn\'t work that
way. If a woman (or a man for that matter) can\'t or won\'t treat me with respect I simply walk away. I don\'t
have the time to waste on such nonsense. Life has far to many good things going to bother with petty games.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Dogsbutt
& BJF,
It sounds like you two do get it though. Good for you. I expect that you both have pretty happy,
secure relationships with great women. In the long run, nice guys do finish first and usually end up with the best.
Keep being the nice guys that you seem to be, it\'s very admirable.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Be nice, but do NOT be a pushover.....be a man and know when to say NO! Yes the women will be
pissed because they did not get their way, but you will gain respect because you said NO!
Always remeber that,
you are the man and you do have the last word...always. Otherwise women laugh at you.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Never a
pushover but really don\'t care about having the last word. That\'s an ego thing and my ego doesn\'t work that
way. If a woman (or a man for that matter) can\'t or won\'t treat me with respect I simply walk away. I don\'t
have the time to waste on such nonsense. Life has far to many good things going to bother with petty games.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes, respect is important, but this is not communism where
everyone is equal.....if my woman wants control and won\'t defer to me as the last word then she is gone.....I am
the leader in my relationships ....period! Most women respect that and I will add that I am looking out for the
best inntests of everyone and that is important. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
belgareth
02-08-2004, 08:12 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Dogsbutt & BJF,
It sounds like you two do
get it though. Good for you. I expect that you both have pretty happy, secure relationships with great women. In the
long run, nice guys do finish first and usually end up with the best. Keep being the nice guys that you seem to be,
it\'s very admirable.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Be nice, but do NOT be a pushover.....be
a man and know when to say NO! Yes the women will be pissed because they did not get their way, but you will gain
respect because you said NO!
Always remeber that, you are the man and you do have the last word...always.
Otherwise women laugh at you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Never a pushover but really don\'t care about having the last word. That\'s an ego thing
and my ego doesn\'t work that way. If a woman (or a man for that matter) can\'t or won\'t treat me with
respect I simply walk away. I don\'t have the time to waste on such nonsense. Life has far to many good things
going to bother with petty games.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes, respect is important, but
this is not communism where everyone is equal.....if my woman wants control and won\'t defer to me as the last
word then she is gone.....I am the leader in my relationships ....period! Most women respect that and I will add
that I am looking out for the best inntests of everyone and that is important.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
If that\'s
how you choose to live, that is your choice. I believe the women you are around respect that, and like myself, you
choose to be around women who approve of and agree with your point of view on the matter. I don\'t agree with your
desire to dominate and prefer women who can be themselves without attempting to dominate me or have me dominate
them. To each their own preferences.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Dogsbutt & BJF,
It sounds like you two do get it though. Good for you.
I expect that you both have pretty happy, secure relationships with great women. In the long run, nice guys do
finish first and usually end up with the best. Keep being the nice guys that you seem to be, it\'s very admirable.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Be nice, but do NOT be a pushover.....be a man and know when to
say NO! Yes the women will be pissed because they did not get their way, but you will gain respect because you said
NO!
Always remeber that, you are the man and you do have the last word...always. Otherwise women laugh at you.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Never a
pushover but really don\'t care about having the last word. That\'s an ego thing and my ego doesn\'t work that
way. If a woman (or a man for that matter) can\'t or won\'t treat me with respect I simply walk away. I don\'t
have the time to waste on such nonsense. Life has far to many good things going to bother with petty games.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes, respect is important, but this is not communism where
everyone is equal.....if my woman wants control and won\'t defer to me as the last word then she is gone.....I am
the leader in my relationships ....period! Most women respect that and I will add that I am looking out for the
best inntests of everyone and that is important. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
If that\'s how you choose to live, that is your choice. I believe the
women you are around respect that, and like myself, you choose to be around women who approve of and agree with your
point of view on the matter. I don\'t agree with your desire to dominate and prefer women who can be themselves
without attempting to dominate me or have me dominate them. To each their own preferences.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Please do not understand me. I do not dominate my woman. She is strong
willed and I do not tell her what to do, but someone has to be the final word and that is me. She is herself and
has her own personality (no games) and interests...absolutely...just as woman does not want a pushpoer, neither does
a man!
apple
02-08-2004, 08:25 PM
whats this younger woman bashing? Im only 20 and i go for the nice guys! Ill only be with mature, kind
men who respect me!!! if theyre jerks to me im SO gone. I dont care about money, i dont care about looks or cars or
other materialistic crap like that. Ive had plenty of chances to be with hot rich men, but they were assholes so i
said BYE!
If a woman has half a brain, if SHE is worth being with, shell go for the nice guys, the smart guys,
the guys who have brains and heart! If she ditches Mr wonderful, then shes an idiot and she wasnt worth the trouble
in the first place! Im worth the extra effort, and any man im with should be worth that extra too!
dogsbutt
02-08-2004, 08:31 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yes, respect is important, but this is
not communism where everyone is equal.....if my woman wants control and won\'t defer to me as the last word then
she is gone.....I am the leader in my relationships ....period! Most women respect that and I will add that I am
looking out for the best inntests of everyone and that is important.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'m too
lazy to make all the decisions. I enter into sexual relationships where whatever she comes up with would be
interesting/new/unique/fun, even if I don\'t agree.
Besides, I usually end up dating women that are just as
curious about what interests me, as I am about what interests them.
This whole pushover thing doesn\'t really
factor in.
Pancho1188
02-08-2004, 09:01 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
If a woman has half a brain, if SHE
is worth being with, shell go for the nice guys, the smart guys, the guys who have brains and heart!
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You just described me.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
If she ditches Mr wonderful, then shes an idiot and she wasnt worth the
trouble in the first place!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You just described my
ex-girlfriend...
Pancho1188
02-08-2004, 09:05 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
\"You\'re such a nice guy. A woman
would kill to be with a guy like you.\" I am certain that somewhere, at some point or another, a woman HAS killed
for me.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
That\'s not so funny when it\'s actually happened to
you...
.................................................
belgareth
02-08-2004, 09:37 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Dogsbutt
& BJF,
It sounds like you two do get it though. Good for you. I expect that you both have pretty happy,
secure relationships with great women. In the long run, nice guys do finish first and usually end up with the best.
Keep being the nice guys that you seem to be, it\'s very admirable.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Be nice, but do NOT be a pushover.....be a man and know when to say NO! Yes the women will
be pissed because they did not get their way, but you will gain respect because you said NO!
Always remeber
that, you are the man and you do have the last word...always. Otherwise women laugh at you.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Never a
pushover but really don\'t care about having the last word. That\'s an ego thing and my ego doesn\'t work that
way. If a woman (or a man for that matter) can\'t or won\'t treat me with respect I simply walk away. I don\'t
have the time to waste on such nonsense. Life has far to many good things going to bother with petty games.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes, respect is important, but this is not communism where
everyone is equal.....if my woman wants control and won\'t defer to me as the last word then she is gone.....I am
the leader in my relationships ....period! Most women respect that and I will add that I am looking out for the
best inntests of everyone and that is important. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
If that\'s how you choose to live, that is your choice. I believe
the women you are around respect that, and like myself, you choose to be around women who approve of and agree with
your point of view on the matter. I don\'t agree with your desire to dominate and prefer women who can be
themselves without attempting to dominate me or have me dominate them. To each their own preferences.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Please do not understand me. I do not dominate my woman. She is
strong willed and I do not tell her what to do, but someone has to be the final word and that is me. She is herself
and has her own personality (no games) and interests...absolutely...just as woman does not want a pushpoer, neither
does a man!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I think I understand but do not agree that
somebody must be in charge. That is, IMHO, a misconception we are taught from earliest childhood and is wrong. The
only person I am in charge of is me and I expect that from the people around me.
As for comunism,
completely unacceptable in it\'s basic structure. People achieve for the rewards, whether they be monetary or
personal.
belgareth
02-08-2004, 09:41 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
whats this younger woman bashing? Im
only 20 and i go for the nice guys! Ill only be with mature, kind men who respect me!!! if theyre jerks to me im SO
gone. I dont care about money, i dont care about looks or cars or other materialistic crap like that. Ive had plenty
of chances to be with hot rich men, but they were assholes so i said BYE!
If a woman has half a brain, if SHE is
worth being with, shell go for the nice guys, the smart guys, the guys who have brains and heart! If she ditches Mr
wonderful, then shes an idiot and she wasnt worth the trouble in the first place! Im worth the extra effort, and any
man im with should be worth that extra too!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Good attitude! Just
what I am saying a woman should be.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
whats this younger woman bashing? Im only 20 and i
go for the nice guys! Ill only be with mature, kind men who respect me!!! if theyre jerks to me im SO gone. I dont
care about money, i dont care about looks or cars or other materialistic crap like that. Ive had plenty of chances
to be with hot rich men, but they were assholes so i said BYE!
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
You are an exception and that is why everyone likes you around the forum.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I think I understand but do not agree that somebody
must be in charge. That is, IMHO, a misconception we are taught from earliest childhood and is wrong. The only
person I am in charge of is me and I expect that from the people around me.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Then who makes the final decision if you and your S/O disagree.?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
tounge
02-08-2004, 10:57 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I dont care about money, i dont care
about looks or cars or other materialistic crap like that. Ive had plenty of chances to be with hot rich men, but
they were assholes so i said BYE!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Right! Hello Mother Theresa.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
franki
02-09-2004, 12:41 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
If you have been a broke-ass college student you know it is alot easier to
\"get girls\" when you can flash at least \"a bit\" of money. Another advantage of making money is that you can
actually \"get a life\".. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I was for four very long years. Made no difference, still had plenty of female company. Some of
the finest women I\'ve ever known because they had brains as well as looks.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I probably should have said that it is maybe more your \"appearance\" that matters, like
friendly1 said.
franki
02-09-2004, 12:59 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
If you have been a broke-ass college student you know it is alot easier to
\"get girls\" when you can flash at least \"a bit\" of money. Another advantage of making money is that you can
actually \"get a life\".. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I was for four very long years. Made no difference, still had plenty of female company. Some of
the finest women I\'ve ever known because they had brains as well as looks.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Did you study in the 70s in California? Then you probably did get laid as well quite often..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Perhaps times changed a bit as well since then.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Quote:
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Quote:
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But most <a
href=\"http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=single&v=55\">single</a> women are looking for long-term
relationships when they are looking at all.
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OH yes. All girls I
know want men for real longterm relationships! Yeah right!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You managed to quote
the whole sentence but not pay attention to what it says. Two demerits for you, my dear.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I was being sarcastic dunno about yours first comment. Explöain how you
meant it then if I got it wrong /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Quote:
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whats this younger woman
bashing? Im only 20 and i go for the nice guys! Ill only be with mature, kind men who respect me!!! if theyre jerks
to me im SO gone. I dont care about money, i dont care about looks or cars or other materialistic crap like that.
Ive had plenty of chances to be with hot rich men, but they were assholes so i said BYE!
If a woman has half a
brain, if SHE is worth being with, shell go for the nice guys, the smart guys, the guys who have brains and heart!
If she ditches Mr wonderful, then shes an idiot and she wasnt worth the trouble in the first place! Im worth the
extra effort, and any man im with should be worth that extra too!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Good attitude! Just
what I am saying a woman should be.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> hey, we´re all like that here
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
belgareth
02-09-2004, 04:52 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I think I understand but do not agree that somebody must be in charge. That
is, IMHO, a misconception we are taught from earliest childhood and is wrong. The only person I am in charge of is
me and I expect that from the people around me.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Then who
makes the final decision if you and your S/O disagree.? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Why does there have to be a final decision or an agreement? We are
both adults and can both be trusted to act in our mutual interest. If we do not agree, we talk and work out a
reasonable compromise? It works well for us. I think we have a fundamental disconnect regarding our basic
philosophy. I don\'t believe humans need to be managed, that they are capable of managing themselves.
Elana
02-09-2004, 04:57 AM
Note to all of the men here...
Kindly stop categorizing all women or even the majority of women
as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful and untrue. I am not like that, the other women on this forum are not like
that, my friends are not like that. Yes, they exist. But when you make it sound like it is an unusual thing to run
into a woman that is independent and cares about what is inside rather than a mans wallet, it is insulting.
markus
02-09-2004, 05:13 AM
wow, 45 new posts since i last read this thread. and it was only yesterday evening.
well, as much as
i want to answer and read everything, my brain cannot handle so much info at one time.
and any how got to go soon
meet a woman. have to get ready: dress up and take the thick wallet
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
franki
02-09-2004, 05:17 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Note to all of the men
here...
Kindly stop categorizing all women or even the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful
and untrue. I am not like that, the other women on this forum are not like that, my friends are not like that. Yes,
they exist. But when you make it sound like it is an unusual thing to run into a woman that is independent and cares
about what is inside rather than a mans wallet, it is insulting.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
and the girls will stop calling all men pigs?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Elana
02-09-2004, 05:24 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Note to all of the men here...
Kindly stop categorizing all women or even
the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful and untrue. I am not like that, the other women on
this forum are not like that, my friends are not like that. Yes, they exist. But when you make it sound like it is
an unusual thing to run into a woman that is independent and cares about what is inside rather than a mans wallet,
it is insulting.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
and the girls will stop calling all men pigs?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Huh?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
When did I call you pigs?
belgareth
02-09-2004, 05:24 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
If you have
been a broke-ass college student you know it is alot easier to \"get girls\" when you can flash at least \"a
bit\" of money. Another advantage of making money is that you can actually \"get a life\"..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I was for four
very long years. Made no difference, still had plenty of female company. Some of the finest women I\'ve ever known
because they had brains as well as looks.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Did you study in the
70s in California? Then you probably did get laid as well quite often..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Perhaps times changed a bit as well since then.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
California in the 80\'s but I doubt that had much to do with it. I have
plenty of opportunity in Texas in 2004.
franki
02-09-2004, 05:25 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Note to all of the men here...
Kindly stop categorizing all women or even
the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful and untrue. I am not like that, the other women on
this forum are not like that, my friends are not like that. Yes, they exist. But when you make it sound like it is
an unusual thing to run into a woman that is independent and cares about what is inside rather than a mans wallet,
it is insulting.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
and the girls will stop calling all men pigs?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I for one
wouldn\'t call all girls \"shallow money grubbers\" at all.
When you look at women who have good jobs / nice
careers, you will see though that they are almost looking for a partner with the same status or an even higher
status. Most of these women are not shallow golddiggers in my book.
franki
02-09-2004, 05:26 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Note to all
of the men here...
Kindly stop categorizing all women or even the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It
is hurtful and untrue. I am not like that, the other women on this forum are not like that, my friends are not like
that. Yes, they exist. But when you make it sound like it is an unusual thing to run into a woman that is
independent and cares about what is inside rather than a mans wallet, it is insulting.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
and the girls will stop calling all men pigs?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Huh?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
When did I call you pigs?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Sorry, it was a bad joke.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Sexyredhead
02-09-2004, 05:27 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
If you have been a broke-ass college
student you know it is alot easier to \"get girls\" when you can flash at least \"a bit\" of money. Another
advantage of making money is that you can actually \"get a life\"..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
That\'s not
entirely true. If you\'re imaginative and observant enough to come up with things to do that don\'t involve
money, or at least not more than a quick meal/snack, you can take a girl out and entertain her on even a teeny
budget.
Gossamer_2701
02-09-2004, 05:39 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Note to all of the men here...
Kindly stop categorizing all women or even the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful and
untrue. I am not like that, the other women on this forum are not like that, my friends are not like that. Yes, they
exist. But when you make it sound like it is an unusual thing to run into a woman that is independent and cares
about what is inside rather than a mans wallet, it is insulting.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I have not personally clasified any women (on this forum or otherwise) as each and every one is a unique spirit. I
know quite a few women and I must say that from my personal experience, the numbers are closer to 50-50. BUT, all of
them say that they are looking for something deeper than a wallet or great looks. However, years of actions speak
more of a truth then their words could ever say.
No women bashing here...
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Elana
02-09-2004, 05:40 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
BUT, all of them say that they are
looking for something deeper than a wallet or great looks. However, years of actions speak more of a truth then
their words could ever say.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
So my comment fell on deaf ears.
What a shame /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
belgareth
02-09-2004, 05:41 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Note to all of the men here...
Kindly stop categorizing all women or even
the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful and untrue. I am not like that, the other women on
this forum are not like that, my friends are not like that. Yes, they exist. But when you make it sound like it is
an unusual thing to run into a woman that is independent and cares about what is inside rather than a mans wallet,
it is insulting.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I have not personally clasified any women (on
this forum or otherwise) as each and every one is a unique spirit. I know quite a few women and I must say that from
my personal experience, the numbers are closer to 50-50. BUT, all of them say that they are looking for something
deeper than a wallet or great looks. However, years of actions speak more of a truth then their words could ever
say.
No women bashing here... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
The ratio depends on where you go to meet women.
Gossamer_2701
02-09-2004, 06:04 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
So my comment fell on deaf ears. What
a shame
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Elana... Your comment did not fall on deaf ears
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif My point was that I judge EVERYONE on an individual basis...
I have
a number of female friends, and I accept each of them for who they are, individually. But the 50% that that are
looking for nothing more than a deep wallet, claim that they just want \'Mr. nice guy\'
All I meant to convey
is.... Everyones perception of themselves and their actions is a little biased.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
The ratio depends on where you go to meet women
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
You\'re absolutely right..... the numbers are much different here in a my small town compared
to say New York or LA. Besides, this is just my personal observation of female friends, NOT ex-girlfriends.
Elana
02-09-2004, 06:19 AM
I am sorry that I misunderstood what you were trying to say, I just get so tired of hearing this. I
have always made more money than the guys I dated in college. I felt bad for them, because I knew that it wasn\'t
easy going to school and having to fork out big bucks to take women (me out) so I paid many times. I have told men
to stop buying me flowers because I couldn\'t stand to see them waste their money on something that would die a
few days later. I respect men and don\'t look at them as my personal ATM machine.
belgareth
02-09-2004, 06:32 AM
It\'s not just the towns, it\'s the environment you choose to hunt in.If you go to popular bars you
are going to meet one group. If you spend time around business people, you\'ll meet another.
Another thing
I\'ve noticed is how often people live up to your expectations of them. If you think they are a gold digger or a
wonderful, generous soul, you will probably find all sorts of evidence to prove that they do meet your pre-concieved
notions.
Gossamer_2701
02-09-2004, 06:39 AM
Elana... point taken /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif And you are truly an incredible
person, as I figured out my first couple of days on this forum /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif but
you were judged on your own merits, and all women deserve the same....as well as men
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
And I certainly don\'t have a problem with a woman making
more money then me... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif cough...sugar-mama...cough
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Elana
02-09-2004, 06:41 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Elana... point taken
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif And you are truly an incredible person, as I figured out my first
couple of days on this forum /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif but you were judged on your own
merits, and all women deserve the same....as well as men /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
And I
certainly don\'t have a problem with a woman making more money then me...
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif cough...sugar-mama...cough
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Come here
and give me a hug. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Gossamer_2701
02-09-2004, 06:46 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Come here and give me a hug.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I am soooo there /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Elana
02-09-2004, 06:50 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Come here and give me a hug.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I am soooo there /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
OK...you are
squishing me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Icarus
02-09-2004, 08:02 AM
So.... I\'m confused.
Are women friend or foe?
apple
02-09-2004, 08:35 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
So.... I\'m confused.
Are
women friend or foe?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
some are friends some are foes! just
gotta go out there, get to know a whole bunch of them, and find the good ones
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
You are an exception and that is why everyone likes you around the forum.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
thank you!!!!
oscar
02-09-2004, 08:42 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
\"Note to ALL of the men here...
Kindly stop categorizing all
women or even the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful and untrue. I am not like that, the
other women on this forum are not like that, my friends are not like that. Yes, they exist. But when you make it
sound like it is an unusual thing to run into a woman that is independent and cares about what is inside rather than
a mans wallet, it is insulting.\" - Elana
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
ALL of the
men here????????
ALL????? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Et tu, Elana?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
ET ******* TU????
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Elana
02-09-2004, 08:46 AM
Point well
taken......
I change that to.....
Note to most of you men here....
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Sorry Bel, Oscar, Goss and the few other men that actually
see us crazy females as individuals.
Elana
02-09-2004, 08:48 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
ET ******* TU????
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
One of her best quotes ever. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
oscar
02-09-2004, 08:59 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
ET ******* TU????
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
One of
her best quotes ever. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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class=\"post\">
Truly!
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Rakesh
02-09-2004, 09:40 AM
Reading it back, Friendly1 is basically full of speed seduction guides that say basically\"be a total
[censored] and you will prolly get away with it for long enough to get laid\". You know, they work. On the sort of
women nobody with two neural cells alive outside his testicles would ever come close to, that is. Oh well.
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Elana
02-09-2004, 09:51 AM
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Reading it back, Friendly1 is basically
full of speed seduction guides that say basically\"be a total [censored] and you will prolly get away with it for
long enough to get laid\". You know, they work. On the sort of women nobody with two neural cells alive outside his
testicles would ever come close to, that is. Oh well. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Good post
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CptKipling
02-09-2004, 11:05 AM
Funny thread /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I only bothered to read the first 3 posts. This thread blew up pretty fast.
I will assume this was a thread
hijacking /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Holmes
02-09-2004, 11:46 AM
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ET ******* TU????
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One of
her best quotes ever. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Classic. It belongs in a \"Classic L-S Quotes\" thread, should anyone ever start one...
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Holmes
CptKipling
02-09-2004, 11:55 AM
Having just noticed there is more than one page to this thread (
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif ), I\'d like to post my opinion...
The key word that was
mentioned a few times is \"gentleman\". Somewhere along the line, the correct definition (or at least the
definition I try to live by) seems to have been slightly confused.
First of all, an essential part of being a
gentleman is being nice, or to be more specific, to treat people well (e.g. do unto others as you would wish be done
unto you [badly paraphrased, so sue me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif], and try to adhere to
what is morally correct. If you don\'t know how to do any of that, you may as well hang up your seducing boots
now.
Now the part where a lot of people (read \"some men\") slip up; doing the above doesn’t mean you have to
be a pussy. You can do all of the above and be respected and admired by the majority of people, as a proper
gentleman should be. How? By keeping your self respect! One of the worst things you can do to undermine your self
respect is to be overly munificent, which in this case means being generous to someone with your time and effort
(yes, not just your money) when they have done nothing to deserve it. Ok, so we all should do this sometimes (I
suppose that\'s all part of being a good person, turn the other cheek and such), but it\'s quite ridiculous how
much needy guys do this to girls. One of the best things to have come out of my reading the various \"seduction
guru’s\" articles is this: Women love a challenge. If you are too easy for them to control and seduce then you
vanish into the ever expanding sea of unremarkable guys that they have encountered.
It\'s also very important
to stand by your own opinions, views, and rights, as doing otherwise to please or appease someone else is a form of
supplication.
To briefly touch on Elana\'s favourite subject, i think it\'s a shame that a few shallow women
cause some men to be paranoid about the rest of the female population.
p.s. all girls have germs and boys
should stay away. Girls are horrible. Urrgh.
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Note to all of the men here...
Kindly stop
categorizing all women or even the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful and untrue. I am not
like that, the other women on this forum are not like that, my friends are not like that. Yes, they exist. But when
you make it sound like it is an unusual thing to run into a woman that is independent and cares about what is inside
rather than a mans wallet, it is insulting.
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My apologies for
overgeneralizing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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So.... I\'m confused.
Are women friend or foe?
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For me they are friend.
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Reading it back, Friendly1 is basically full of
speed seduction guides that say basically\"be a total [censored] and you will prolly get away with it for long
enough to get laid\". You know, they work. On the sort of women nobody with two neural cells alive outside his
testicles would ever come close to, that is. Oh well. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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Or leikys 101 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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I think I
understand but do not agree that somebody must be in charge. That is, IMHO, a misconception we are taught from
earliest childhood and is wrong. The only person I am in charge of is me and I expect that from the people around
me.
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Then who makes the final decision if you and your S/O
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Why does there have to be a final decision or an agreement? We are both adults and can both be
trusted to act in our mutual interest. If we do not agree, we talk and work out a reasonable compromise? It works
well for us. I think we have a fundamental disconnect regarding our basic philosophy. I don\'t believe humans need
to be managed, that they are capable of managing themselves.
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Mostly I have no arguements with you, but sometimes a compromise can not be made and someone
has to make the decision. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Icarus
02-09-2004, 01:37 PM
To summarise:
Woman are things.
Men are Baboons.
Lets lindy like t\'were 1955.
Steve
Elana
02-09-2004, 01:45 PM
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Lets lindy like t\'were 1955.
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Twirl me like you have never twirled me before
Icarus
02-09-2004, 01:46 PM
Not in these shoes, dear.
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Note to all of the men here...
Kindly stop categorizing all women or even
the majority of women as shallow money grubbers. It is hurtful and untrue. I am not like that, the other women on
this forum are not like that, my friends are not like that. Yes, they exist. But when you make it sound like it is
an unusual thing to run into a woman that is independent and cares about what is inside rather than a mans wallet,
it is insulting.
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and the girls will stop calling all men pigs?
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I am a pig and
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belgareth
02-09-2004, 03:32 PM
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I think I understand but do not agree that
somebody must be in charge. That is, IMHO, a misconception we are taught from earliest childhood and is wrong. The
only person I am in charge of is me and I expect that from the people around me.
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Then who makes the final decision if you and your S/O disagree.?
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Why does
there have to be a final decision or an agreement? We are both adults and can both be trusted to act in our mutual
interest. If we do not agree, we talk and work out a reasonable compromise? It works well for us. I think we have a
fundamental disconnect regarding our basic philosophy. I don\'t believe humans need to be managed, that they are
capable of managing themselves.
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Mostly I have no arguements with
you, but sometimes a compromise can not be made and someone has to make the decision.
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I haven\'t
seen such a situation yet. There are places where she is much better or more knowledgable than me and I difer to her
judgment. There are others where she difers to mine. Have yet to find a situation we couldn\'t work out.
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I think I understand but do not agree that somebody must be in charge. That
is, IMHO, a misconception we are taught from earliest childhood and is wrong. The only person I am in charge of is
me and I expect that from the people around me.
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Then who
makes the final decision if you and your S/O disagree.? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Why does there have to be a final decision or an agreement? We are
both adults and can both be trusted to act in our mutual interest. If we do not agree, we talk and work out a
reasonable compromise? It works well for us. I think we have a fundamental disconnect regarding our basic
philosophy. I don\'t believe humans need to be managed, that they are capable of managing themselves.
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Mostly I have no arguements with you, but sometimes a compromise can not
be made and someone has to make the decision. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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I haven\'t seen such a situation yet. There are places where she is much
better or more knowledgable than me and I difer to her judgment. There are others where she difers to mine. Have yet
to find a situation we couldn\'t work out.
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It sounds like you
have a great relationship. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
belgareth
02-09-2004, 03:43 PM
OCP:
T\'aint perfect, but what is? She is far to smart for the petty BS I see in other
relationships. It took some time to get used to each other but she is a great person to be around. Some adult
supervision might be a good idea but otherwise, we do ok.
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