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Langa
02-08-2004, 12:52 AM
would bees chase me cause of the

pheros ?
bite me ?
any good stories?
im allergic to them (i die or something..)
yesterday in a night-mare i had

,there was a little dude who had a pig as a pet, chasing me, cause of the pheoros.
plus my dog(german sheperd)

everytime i leave the house, after wearing them tries to bite me..

markus
02-08-2004, 06:03 AM
they will chase you all around

town and wouldn\'t stop till they get you into bed. then theyll go back to their friends and do this dance that

they do to tell where they found the honey and youll have a new group swarming by.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

sorry friend,

i don\'t have a clue about bees, but the image of someone wearing pheromones running away from a swarm of bees

just cracks me.

bjf
02-08-2004, 06:47 AM
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would bees chase me cause of the pheros ?
bite me ?
any good stories?
im

allergic to them (i die or something..)
yesterday in a night-mare i had ,there was a little dude who had a pig as a

pet, chasing me, cause of the pheoros.
plus my dog(german sheperd) everytime i leave the house, after wearing them

tries to bite me..







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Bees communicate thru pheros.

Bee keepers spray something to disrupt smell when they want to take the honey.

markus
02-08-2004, 06:54 AM
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Bees communicate thru pheros. Bee keepers spray something to disrupt smell

when they want to take the honey.


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you think theyll react to

humane pheros? like dogs do?
it would have never occur to me.
in that case, any animal can react to them. why

don\'t i have the birds in the city singing for me?

EXIT63
02-08-2004, 07:18 AM
Bees don\'t bite...They sting.

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markus
02-08-2004, 07:23 AM
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Bees don\'t bite...They sting.

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depends how

much mones you wear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bjf
02-08-2004, 07:29 AM
a lot of pheros are not species

specific

markus
02-08-2004, 07:33 AM
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a lot of pheros are not species specific

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cool. i know a really cute bunny around here, maybe i can hit it with her.

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markus
02-08-2004, 07:43 AM
ok, seriously,
i guess youre

right bjf, it just seem awkward to me that a bee would react to my mones. for some reason, which is probably not

logical, my common sense tells me human pheros will work on mammalians, but not on insects. but what do i know, i

probably haven\'t read enough scientific stuff about mones.

Rakesh
02-08-2004, 07:45 AM
Bees can put a pheromonal death

sentence on you. Basically, one stings you and aside from the poison emits a substance that marks you as a target

for other bees. Very pleasant. No stings for a year and then five in one afternoon.

Gossamer_2701
02-08-2004, 08:11 AM
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the image of someone wearing pheromones running away from a swarm of bees

just cracks me.


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Hey Markus...I think Langa was running away

from \'a little dude with a pet pig\' not bees... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I think

he\'s just alergic to bee stings, and was wondering if they would go out of their merry little way to sting him

b/c he\'s wearing mones /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And sorry Langa, I have no idea.... but

as I am also alergic to bee stings, I truly hope the little bastards don\'t have a taste for human mones

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Goss

markus
02-08-2004, 10:28 AM
</font><blockquote><font

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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
the image of

someone wearing pheromones running away from a swarm of bees just cracks me.


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Hey Markus...I think Langa was running away from \'a little dude with a pet pig\' not

bees... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I think he\'s just alergic to bee stings, and was wondering if

they would go out of their merry little way to sting him b/c he\'s wearing mones

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And sorry Langa, I have no idea.... but as I am also alergic to

bee stings, I truly hope the little bastards don\'t have a taste for human mones

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Goss

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yeah, i

just created my own image of the chase /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

OCP
02-08-2004, 12:03 PM
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Bees don\'t bite...They sting.

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Elana is the

Queen Bee and I bet she bites! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Elana
02-08-2004, 12:07 PM
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Bees don\'t

bite...They sting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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class=\"post\">

Elana is the Queen Bee and I bet she bites! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif



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and licks and sucks

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

CJ01
02-08-2004, 12:11 PM
Don´t lie, you never licked in your

life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Elana
02-08-2004, 12:11 PM
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Don´t lie, you never licked in your life

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Ok...nibbled

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OCP
02-08-2004, 01:27 PM
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Don´t lie,

you never licked in your life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Ok...nibbled /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Stop teasing /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Rakesh
02-08-2004, 01:36 PM
Keep teasing

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

jvkohl
02-08-2004, 09:47 PM
There is a common pheromonal

component that crosses species barriers from insects to the Asian elephant. However, the component is not one of the

androstenes: -none; -nol. The research is noted at the following

URL.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&amp;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=860221 3&amp;dop

t=Abstract (\"http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&amp;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=860221 3&amp;dop

t=Abstract\")

Holmes
02-08-2004, 10:07 PM
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There is a common pheromonal component that crosses species barriers from

insects to the Asian elephant.

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Leave Margaret Cho out of

this.


Holmes

CptKipling
02-09-2004, 12:05 PM
JVK,

Apparently no

abstract is available, but with a little digging I found that it mentions these chemicals:

Dodecanol


7-dodecen-1-yl acetate

bjf
02-09-2004, 12:17 PM
If pigs can track down truffles

because the are similar in composition to rone (none?), tha couldn\'t species (ie Bees) pick up on pheros that are

similar in composition to the pheros they are traditionally used to?

This is an important question. Why is it so

important?

If the answer is yes, it could bring legitimacy to the idea that the oils from organic substances

(EOs) can have phero-like compounds that affect humans. There could be all sorts of things in the oils of organic

EOs that would be gret for rounding out our phero-profiles.

For now, I can\'t find a bit of scientific evidence

supporting such claims.

DrSmellThis
02-09-2004, 02:32 PM
Well, you can derive

straight androsterone from cedar EO, for example. -Rone is already sold this way to perfumers! I tried a sample, and

like it better than lab synthesized -rone, as it attracts more attention, like -none, possibly due to the residue

from cedar (this is another reason why I like Arouser). This is one of the many such things perfumers typically keep

secret, unfortunately. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

bjf
02-09-2004, 02:36 PM
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Well, you can derive straight androsterone from cedar EO, for example. -Rone

is already sold this way to perfumers! I like it better than lab synthesized -rone, as it attracts more attention,

like -none, possibly due to the residue from cedar (this is another reason why I like Arouser). This is one of the

many such things perfumers typically keep secret, unfortunately. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif



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No sh-t! So cedarwood trees have rone? And can this be said

about those trees that they get sandalwood from? I found a couple comericial places on the internet selling

sandalwood that mentioned it was similar to rone.

What else do you speculate is in these things, and do trees

have something akin to hormones?

BJF

DrSmellThis
02-09-2004, 02:56 PM
Sandalwood contains so many

purported pheromone and pheromone analogs, in various concentrations, it is hard to keep track of them. Cedar is

almost that way too. It is really super difficult to access this knowledge. I am in a constant state of frustration

with all the secrecy in perfuming.

OCP
02-09-2004, 03:03 PM
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Sandalwood contains so many purported pheromone and pheromone analogs, in

various concentrations, it is hard to keep track of them. Cedar is almost that way too. It is really super difficult

to access this knowledge. I am in a constant state of frustration with all the secrecy in perfuming.

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Where can I purchase some sandalwood oil?

bjf
02-09-2004, 03:06 PM
everywhere, look up essential oils

on the net, there will be hundreds of places that sell it.

I do not know who has a good sandalwood, DST would

know about this.

Does freshness matter of the EOs, and who has fresh stuff?

Elana
02-09-2004, 03:23 PM
I love

www.camdengrey.com (\"http://www.camdengrey.com\") and

www.cedarvale.net (\"http://www.cedarvale.net\")
I think Drsmellthis is a fan of Liberty

DrSmellThis
02-09-2004, 08:42 PM
Yes, Liberty Natural

Products.

Freshness is a bad thing where sandalwood is concerned!

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Sagacious1420
02-09-2004, 09:21 PM
Does the variety of

cedarwood matter regarding the rone [or other phero(-like) compounds], e.g. atlas vs. virginia?

DrSmellThis
02-10-2004, 03:28 AM
I hear the Himilayan, Atlas

(which is almost identical to Himilayan), Texas, and Virginia cedars each have somewhat different phero ingredients,

or concentrations of them. I mix them when I\'m making a cedar note. I don\'t know which cedar they derive -rone

from, however, or even if it matters. I suspect Himilayan (which is especially pungent and concentrated in some

pheromones) or Virginia (as it\'s plentiful).

I should add that a simple way to try to increase the

effectiveness of your -rone, at least theoretically, would be to mix it with Arouser, or a bit of cedar EO, to

\"naturalize\" it. (If I have to use one cedar by itself I use Texas cedar, which has a friendlier smell.) This is

a general trick often used by perfumers. IMHO, sandalwood would work too.

Incidentally, freshness matters

most with citruses and EO\'s that are diluted, as carrier oils can become rancid over time.

Sagacious1420
02-10-2004, 04:40 AM
Thanks Doc. I\'ll

probably start w/ Virginia or Atlas since they are both readily available in the area stores. I think there may be

one shop that carries Texas as well, but I\'d have to check on that.

oscar
02-10-2004, 08:18 AM
Hey,

I really didn\'t want to

distract from the interesting bent that this thread has taken regarding the pheromonal properties of EO\'s, so I

looked up some of the constituents of sandalwood oil and some of the components sound a lot like phero

names:

Sandalwood Oil-
\"The oil (includes 80 to 90% terpeniod alcohols incl. alpha-santalol and beta

santalol which is a mixture of two primary sesquiterpenic alcohols) santalic and teresantalic acid, aldehyde,

pterocarpin and hydrocarbons, isovaleric aldehyde, santene, santenone.

That\'s from this

site:
http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwoo

d.cfm (\"http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwood.cfm\")

Anyway, that\'s my contribution to the tangent. But I did want to address the initial post on this

thread.

First of all I thought the dream of being chased by a pig was great given the relationship of pigs and

truffles and

Androstenol:
http://www.trufflemarket.c

om/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm (\"http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm\")

But that\'s still not the primary reason why I started to prepare

a reply to this thread before it took off in what I think is probably a far more educational direction.

BEES.


Humans are not naturally prey for bees. They will sting humans when they or their hive is threatened, but they do

not actively seek out humans to sting. Thus a human pheromone signature, whether natural or synthetic, should not

attract or encourage bees to attack you.
A bee\'s natural \"prey\" is flowers. So you\'re far more likely to

attract bees and therefore increase the danger of being stung if you wear a fragrance which contains floral

components. From many years of working outdoors I can personally attest to this.

So that begs the question:


What species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to

attacking us as a result of our amplifying our pheromone signals?

The answer: I don\'t know.
But in the future

I\'m going to be a little apprehensive to pour on the pheros when I\'m somewhere where mosquitoes are a problem.

Or bears. Or sharks. Or man-eating tigers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Oscar

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sagacious1420
02-10-2004, 08:50 AM
Thanks for the info and

the links.

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
So that begs the question:
What

species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to attacking us as

a result of our amplifying our pheromone signal?

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Other humans, maybe.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bjf
02-10-2004, 10:11 AM
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Hey,

I really didn\'t want to distract from the interesting bent that

this thread has taken regarding the pheromonal properties of EO\'s, so I looked up some of the constituents of

sandalwood oil and some of the components sound a lot like phero names:

Sandalwood Oil-
\"The oil (includes 80

to 90% terpeniod alcohols incl. alpha-santalol and beta santalol which is a mixture of two primary

sesquiterpenic alcohols) santalic and teresantalic acid, aldehyde, pterocarpin and hydrocarbons, isovaleric

aldehyde, santene, santenone.

That\'s from this

site:
http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwoo

d.cfm (\"http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwood.cfm\")

Anyway, that\'s my contribution to the tangent. But I did want to address the initial post on this

thread.

First of all I thought the dream of being chased by a pig was great given the relationship of pigs and

truffles and

Androstenol:
http://www.trufflemarket.c

om/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm (\"http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm\")

But that\'s still not the primary reason why I started to prepare

a reply to this thread before it took off in what I think is probably a far more educational direction.

BEES.


Humans are not naturally prey for bees. They will sting humans when they or their hive is threatened, but they do

not actively seek out humans to sting. Thus a human pheromone signature, whether natural or synthetic, should not

attract or encourage bees to attack you.
A bee\'s natural \"prey\" is flowers. So you\'re far more likely to

attract bees and therefore increase the danger of being stung if you wear a fragrance which contains floral

components. From many years of working outdoors I can personally attest to this.

So that begs the question:


What species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to

attacking us as a result of our amplifying our pheromone signals?

The answer: I don\'t know.
But in the future

I\'m going to be a little apprehensive to pour on the pheros when I\'m somewhere where mosquitoes are a problem.

Or bears. Or sharks. Or man-eating tigers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Oscar

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif





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Oscar, you are the man.

*If* plants have pheromones that can work on us (ie the trees that

produce sandalwood oil) than human pheromones might be close enough to those emitted from flowers to attract a bees

attention. But who cares about bees anyway.

Given that we know this stuff works on cats and dogs, I do think it

is a smart idea to avoid the bears and alpha male gorillas.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Back to what matters:

Sorry, I don\'t know too much

about plants, but do plants have sex hormones or something akin to that?

Let\'s not led this thread die, it

would be nice to get a better handle on organic oils from plants and pheromones. After all, we produce hundreds of

pheromones ourselves, but most of them are not available as synthetics.

CJ01
02-10-2004, 12:41 PM
check out this link on plant

pheromones http://www.calypsos-oil.com/ (\"http://www.calypsos-oil.com/\") it´s part of skinbios website

bjf
02-10-2004, 01:06 PM
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
check out this link on plant pheromones

http://www.calypsos-oil.com/ (\"http://www.calypsos-oil.com/\") it´s part of skinbios website

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Thanks, I have seen that a bunch of times. They bring up truffles. Other

than that, it seems vague. Doesn\'t really explain much other than making claims.

jvkohl
02-10-2004, 01:07 PM
I am

reminded of a tragedy first reported in 1989, when I was in an earlier phase of collecting info on pheromones:


---------------------------------------------------------
Gibbons, D.L. (1989) Unusual case: Sex in the woods.

Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 23, 10(Oct), 63.
\"Cindy, who was menstruating... had gone alone to a portable

commode hidden in a thicket to change her tampon, unaware that a young stag was nearby... Smelling her menstrual

secretions, the deer became sexually aroused. He bounded through the trees and knocked Cindy to the ground. Then

while prancing up and down with his forefoot on her shoulder, the sexually excited deer sprinkled her with

semen.\"
----------------------------------------------------------
As farfetched as this may seem, and despite

the emotional consequences for a woman who might otherwise never have known the power of pheromones; the story does

add new meaning to the phrase \"terms of endeerment (sic).\"

CptKipling
02-10-2004, 01:18 PM
lol

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

CJ01
02-10-2004, 01:19 PM
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Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

check out this link

on plant pheromones http://www.calypsos-oil.com/ (\"http://www.calypsos-oil.com/\") it´s part of skinbios

website


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Thanks, I have

seen that a bunch of times. They bring up truffles. Other than that, it seems vague. Doesn\'t really explain much

other than making claims.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> truffels?

bjf
02-10-2004, 01:20 PM
Yea, the

skin bio pheromone page does.

Sorry it wasn\'t that one.

CJ01
02-10-2004, 01:21 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I am reminded of a tragedy first reported in 1989,

when I was in an earlier phase of collecting info on pheromones:


---------------------------------------------------------
Gibbons, D.L. (1989) Unusual case: Sex in the woods.

Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 23, 10(Oct), 63.
\"Cindy, who was menstruating... had gone alone to a portable

commode hidden in a thicket to change her tampon, unaware that a young stag was nearby... Smelling her menstrual

secretions, the deer became sexually aroused. He bounded through the trees and knocked Cindy to the ground. Then

while prancing up and down with his forefoot on her shoulder, the sexually excited deer sprinkled her with

semen.\"
----------------------------------------------------------
As farfetched as this may seem, and despite

the emotional consequences for a woman who might otherwise never have known the power of pheromones; the story does

add new meaning to the phrase \"terms of endeerment (sic).\"


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

OUCH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif One

more reason NOT to go out when you´re on /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

bjf
02-10-2004, 06:23 PM
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Hey,

I

really didn\'t want to distract from the interesting bent that this thread has taken regarding the pheromonal

properties of EO\'s, so I looked up some of the constituents of sandalwood oil and some of the components sound a

lot like phero names:

Sandalwood Oil-
\"The oil (includes 80 to 90% terpeniod alcohols incl. alpha-santalol

and beta santalol which is a mixture of two primary sesquiterpenic alcohols) santalic and teresantalic acid,

aldehyde, pterocarpin and hydrocarbons, isovaleric aldehyde, santene, santenone.

That\'s from this

site:
http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwoo

d.cfm (\"http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwood.cfm\")

Anyway, that\'s my contribution to the tangent. But I did want to address the initial post on this

thread.

First of all I thought the dream of being chased by a pig was great given the relationship of pigs and

truffles and

Androstenol:
http://www.trufflemarket.c

om/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm (\"http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm\")

But that\'s still not the primary reason why I started to prepare

a reply to this thread before it took off in what I think is probably a far more educational direction.

BEES.


Humans are not naturally prey for bees. They will sting humans when they or their hive is threatened, but they do

not actively seek out humans to sting. Thus a human pheromone signature, whether natural or synthetic, should not

attract or encourage bees to attack you.
A bee\'s natural \"prey\" is flowers. So you\'re far more likely to

attract bees and therefore increase the danger of being stung if you wear a fragrance which contains floral

components. From many years of working outdoors I can personally attest to this.

So that begs the question:


What species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to

attacking us as a result of our amplifying our pheromone signals?

The answer: I don\'t know.
But in the future

I\'m going to be a little apprehensive to pour on the pheros when I\'m somewhere where mosquitoes are a problem.

Or bears. Or sharks. Or man-eating tigers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Oscar

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif





<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Oscar, you are the man.

*If* plants have pheromones that can work on us (ie the trees that

produce sandalwood oil) than human pheromones might be close enough to those emitted from flowers to attract a bees

attention. But who cares about bees anyway.

Given that we know this stuff works on cats and dogs, I do think it

is a smart idea to avoid the bears and alpha male gorillas.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Back to what matters:

Sorry, I don\'t know too much

about plants, but do plants have sex hormones or something akin to that?

Let\'s not led this thread die, it

would be nice to get a better handle on organic oils from plants and pheromones. After all, we produce hundreds of

pheromones ourselves, but most of them are not available as synthetics.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

I wonder if this is related to plants/trees (and thus EOs) having the ability to have pheromone

and pheromone-like

compounds:

[url=\"http://www.musclesurf.com/androstat100.html\"]http://www.musclesurf.com/androstat100.html[/ur

l]

Description:
Androstat 100 60 tablets from Pinnacle.

Androstat 100 contains 100 mg. of androstenedione, an

adrenal gland hormone and the direct precursor to testosterone.1 Androstenedione occurs naturally in the body and is

commonly found in animals and plants (including the pollen of Scotch Pine Trees).

Testosterone is a huge key to

successful bodybuilding. Unfortunately, the health dangers associated with the use of illicit anabolic steroids that

provide testosterone are significant: zit breakouts, prostate hypertrophy, a decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol,

testicular atrophy, liver toxicity and kidney stress just to name a few. The appeal of androstenedione is that,

although it is not testosterone, the body uses it to make its own testosterone. The risks, therefore, are

potentially far less.

But is androstenedione really effective as a testosterone precursor? As a matter of fact,

before the fall of the Berlin wall, East German scientists experimented extensively with androstenedione to enhance

performance in East German Olympic athletes. What they found was that it increased testosterone levels in a big

way.2 According to one study quoted in an East German patent application, oral doses of androstenedione given to men

at levels of 50 mg and 100 mg, raised testosterone levels from 140% to 183% and 211% to 237%, respectively.3

Due

to its effectiveness as a testosterone precursor, androstenedione is not recommended for women as part of a regular

supplementation program. Also, it should not be used by anyone with any known health problems without first

consulting his physician. Finally, it should not be used by children or teenagers.

A distinct advantage to

Androstat 100 is that it is inulinized. Inulinization is an ingenious and patented delivery system where the

supplement ingredient (in this case androstenedione) is attached to inulin (a long-chain fructose molecule) through

a chemical reaction process.4 Since inulin can remain in the blood stream for an extended period of time (up to 10

hours5), ingredients that are attached to it can be “held in reserve” until such time as their release is

advantageous.

In this way, androstenedione can still work for you even if it needs to be released an hour or two

later when testosterone receptor sites are available.

If you\'re looking for a dietary supplement that is most

effective testosterone precursor (without exception), then Androstat 100 may be for you, because it enhances your

body\'s own natural production of testosterone.

What\'s in it?
Serving size: 1 tablet
Each serving

provides:
4-androstenedione-3, 17 -dione complex: 100mg

Ingredients: Calcium Phosphate, Lecithin, Xanthan Gum,

Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate.

OCP
02-10-2004, 06:34 PM
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Hey,

I really didn\'t want to distract from

the interesting bent that this thread has taken regarding the pheromonal properties of EO\'s, so I looked up some

of the constituents of sandalwood oil and some of the components sound a lot like phero names:

Sandalwood

Oil-
\"The oil (includes 80 to 90% terpeniod alcohols incl. alpha-santalol and beta santalol which is a

mixture of two primary sesquiterpenic alcohols) santalic and teresantalic acid, aldehyde, pterocarpin and

hydrocarbons, isovaleric aldehyde, santene, santenone.

That\'s from this

site:
http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwoo

d.cfm (\"http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwood.cfm\")

Anyway, that\'s my contribution to the tangent. But I did want to address the initial post on this

thread.

First of all I thought the dream of being chased by a pig was great given the relationship of pigs and

truffles and

Androstenol:
http://www.trufflemarket.c

om/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm (\"http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm\")

But that\'s still not the primary reason why I started to prepare

a reply to this thread before it took off in what I think is probably a far more educational direction.

BEES.


Humans are not naturally prey for bees. They will sting humans when they or their hive is threatened, but they do

not actively seek out humans to sting. Thus a human pheromone signature, whether natural or synthetic, should not

attract or encourage bees to attack you.
A bee\'s natural \"prey\" is flowers. So you\'re far more likely to

attract bees and therefore increase the danger of being stung if you wear a fragrance which contains floral

components. From many years of working outdoors I can personally attest to this.

So that begs the question:


What species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to

attacking us as a result of our amplifying our pheromone signals?

The answer: I don\'t know.
But in the future

I\'m going to be a little apprehensive to pour on the pheros when I\'m somewhere where mosquitoes are a problem.

Or bears. Or sharks. Or man-eating tigers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Oscar

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Oscar, you are the man.

*If* plants have pheromones that can work on us (ie the trees that

produce sandalwood oil) than human pheromones might be close enough to those emitted from flowers to attract a bees

attention. But who cares about bees anyway.

Given that we know this stuff works on cats and dogs, I do think it

is a smart idea to avoid the bears and alpha male gorillas.

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Back to what matters:

Sorry, I don\'t know too much

about plants, but do plants have sex hormones or something akin to that?

Let\'s not led this thread die, it

would be nice to get a better handle on organic oils from plants and pheromones. After all, we produce hundreds of

pheromones ourselves, but most of them are not available as synthetics.

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I wonder if this is related to plants/trees (and thus EOs) having the ability to have pheromone

and pheromone-like

compounds:

[url=\"http://www.musclesurf.com/androstat100.html\"]http://www.musclesurf.com/androstat100.html[/ur

l]

Description:
Androstat 100 60 tablets from Pinnacle.

Androstat 100 contains 100 mg. of androstenedione, an

adrenal gland hormone and the direct precursor to testosterone.1 Androstenedione occurs naturally in the body and is

commonly found in animals and plants (including the pollen of Scotch Pine Trees).

Testosterone is a huge key to

successful bodybuilding. Unfortunately, the health dangers associated with the use of illicit anabolic steroids that

provide testosterone are significant: zit breakouts, prostate hypertrophy, a decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol,

testicular atrophy, liver toxicity and kidney stress just to name a few. The appeal of androstenedione is that,

although it is not testosterone, the body uses it to make its own testosterone. The risks, therefore, are

potentially far less.

But is androstenedione really effective as a testosterone precursor? As a matter of fact,

before the fall of the Berlin wall, East German scientists experimented extensively with androstenedione to enhance

performance in East German Olympic athletes. What they found was that it increased testosterone levels in a big

way.2 According to one study quoted in an East German patent application, oral doses of androstenedione given to men

at levels of 50 mg and 100 mg, raised testosterone levels from 140% to 183% and 211% to 237%, respectively.3

Due

to its effectiveness as a testosterone precursor, androstenedione is not recommended for women as part of a regular

supplementation program. Also, it should not be used by anyone with any known health problems without first

consulting his physician. Finally, it should not be used by children or teenagers.

A distinct advantage to

Androstat 100 is that it is inulinized. Inulinization is an ingenious and patented delivery system where the

supplement ingredient (in this case androstenedione) is attached to inulin (a long-chain fructose molecule) through

a chemical reaction process.4 Since inulin can remain in the blood stream for an extended period of time (up to 10

hours5), ingredients that are attached to it can be “held in reserve” until such time as their release is

advantageous.

In this way, androstenedione can still work for you even if it needs to be released an hour or two

later when testosterone receptor sites are available.

If you\'re looking for a dietary supplement that is most

effective testosterone precursor (without exception), then Androstat 100 may be for you, because it enhances your

body\'s own natural production of testosterone.

What\'s in it?
Serving size: 1 tablet
Each serving

provides:
4-androstenedione-3, 17 -dione complex: 100mg

Ingredients: Calcium Phosphate, Lecithin, Xanthan Gum,

Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate.

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I have taken a similar product

called 1 AD. It boosted my testosterone levels dramatically. I was going up in my bench press 5 to 10 pounds each

week. The stuff works, but it is really only good for body builders and power lifters. It does not have phero like

effects. Also, if you use it watch out for those testosterone crashes, they are not fun at all.

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bjf
02-10-2004, 07:24 PM
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I have taken a similar product called 1 AD. It boosted my testosterone

levels dramatically. I was going up in my bench press 5 to 10 pounds each week. The stuff works, but it is really

only good for body builders and power lifters. It does not have phero like effects. Also, if you use it watch out

for those testosterone crashes, they are not fun at all.

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I am not

saying it is a pheromone. Isn\'t a precurser to testosterone which in turn is responsible for certain

pheromones.

Regardless, I would not have guessed plants/trees would have that stuff, so hey, you never know,

maybe it is possible they share some of our pheromones.

bjf
02-13-2004, 04:32 PM
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Well, you can derive straight androsterone from cedar EO, for example. -Rone

is already sold this way to perfumers! I tried a sample, and like it better than lab synthesized -rone, as it

attracts more attention, like -none, possibly due to the residue from cedar (this is another reason why I like

Arouser). This is one of the many such things perfumers typically keep secret, unfortunately.

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Are you

referring to methyltestosterone?

DrSmellThis
02-13-2004, 07:28 PM
No, that\'s another

purported pheromone used in perfuming. As you reminded me in your PM (thanks!), I once posted that I believe

that\'s one of the things you can get from sandalwood.

bjf
10-15-2004, 04:48 PM
bump--------------

DrSmellThis
10-15-2004, 04:52 PM
Heartfelt thanks from a bee

phobe.