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Langa
02-08-2004, 12:52 AM
would bees chase me cause of the
pheros ?
bite me ?
any good stories?
im allergic to them (i die or something..)
yesterday in a night-mare i had
,there was a little dude who had a pig as a pet, chasing me, cause of the pheoros.
plus my dog(german sheperd)
everytime i leave the house, after wearing them tries to bite me..
markus
02-08-2004, 06:03 AM
they will chase you all around
town and wouldn\'t stop till they get you into bed. then theyll go back to their friends and do this dance that
they do to tell where they found the honey and youll have a new group swarming by.
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sorry friend,
i don\'t have a clue about bees, but the image of someone wearing pheromones running away from a swarm of bees
just cracks me.
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would bees chase me cause of the pheros ?
bite me ?
any good stories?
im
allergic to them (i die or something..)
yesterday in a night-mare i had ,there was a little dude who had a pig as a
pet, chasing me, cause of the pheoros.
plus my dog(german sheperd) everytime i leave the house, after wearing them
tries to bite me..
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Bees communicate thru pheros.
Bee keepers spray something to disrupt smell when they want to take the honey.
markus
02-08-2004, 06:54 AM
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Bees communicate thru pheros. Bee keepers spray something to disrupt smell
when they want to take the honey.
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you think theyll react to
humane pheros? like dogs do?
it would have never occur to me.
in that case, any animal can react to them. why
don\'t i have the birds in the city singing for me?
EXIT63
02-08-2004, 07:18 AM
Bees don\'t bite...They sting.
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markus
02-08-2004, 07:23 AM
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Bees don\'t bite...They sting.
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depends how
much mones you wear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
a lot of pheros are not species
specific
markus
02-08-2004, 07:33 AM
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a lot of pheros are not species specific
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cool. i know a really cute bunny around here, maybe i can hit it with her.
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markus
02-08-2004, 07:43 AM
ok, seriously,
i guess youre
right bjf, it just seem awkward to me that a bee would react to my mones. for some reason, which is probably not
logical, my common sense tells me human pheros will work on mammalians, but not on insects. but what do i know, i
probably haven\'t read enough scientific stuff about mones.
Rakesh
02-08-2004, 07:45 AM
Bees can put a pheromonal death
sentence on you. Basically, one stings you and aside from the poison emits a substance that marks you as a target
for other bees. Very pleasant. No stings for a year and then five in one afternoon.
Gossamer_2701
02-08-2004, 08:11 AM
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the image of someone wearing pheromones running away from a swarm of bees
just cracks me.
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Hey Markus...I think Langa was running away
from \'a little dude with a pet pig\' not bees... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I think
he\'s just alergic to bee stings, and was wondering if they would go out of their merry little way to sting him
b/c he\'s wearing mones /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And sorry Langa, I have no idea.... but
as I am also alergic to bee stings, I truly hope the little bastards don\'t have a taste for human mones
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Goss
markus
02-08-2004, 10:28 AM
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the image of
someone wearing pheromones running away from a swarm of bees just cracks me.
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Hey Markus...I think Langa was running away from \'a little dude with a pet pig\' not
bees... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I think he\'s just alergic to bee stings, and was wondering if
they would go out of their merry little way to sting him b/c he\'s wearing mones
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And sorry Langa, I have no idea.... but as I am also alergic to
bee stings, I truly hope the little bastards don\'t have a taste for human mones
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Goss
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yeah, i
just created my own image of the chase /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Bees don\'t bite...They sting.
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Elana is the
Queen Bee and I bet she bites! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Elana
02-08-2004, 12:07 PM
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Bees don\'t
bite...They sting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Elana is the Queen Bee and I bet she bites! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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and licks and sucks
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Don´t lie, you never licked in your
life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Elana
02-08-2004, 12:11 PM
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Don´t lie, you never licked in your life
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Ok...nibbled
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Don´t lie,
you never licked in your life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Ok...nibbled /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Stop teasing /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Rakesh
02-08-2004, 01:36 PM
Keep teasing
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jvkohl
02-08-2004, 09:47 PM
There is a common pheromonal
component that crosses species barriers from insects to the Asian elephant. However, the component is not one of the
androstenes: -none; -nol. The research is noted at the following
URL.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=860221 3&dop
t=Abstract (\"http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=860221 3&dop
t=Abstract\")
Holmes
02-08-2004, 10:07 PM
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There is a common pheromonal component that crosses species barriers from
insects to the Asian elephant.
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Leave Margaret Cho out of
this.
Holmes
CptKipling
02-09-2004, 12:05 PM
JVK,
Apparently no
abstract is available, but with a little digging I found that it mentions these chemicals:
Dodecanol
7-dodecen-1-yl acetate
If pigs can track down truffles
because the are similar in composition to rone (none?), tha couldn\'t species (ie Bees) pick up on pheros that are
similar in composition to the pheros they are traditionally used to?
This is an important question. Why is it so
important?
If the answer is yes, it could bring legitimacy to the idea that the oils from organic substances
(EOs) can have phero-like compounds that affect humans. There could be all sorts of things in the oils of organic
EOs that would be gret for rounding out our phero-profiles.
For now, I can\'t find a bit of scientific evidence
supporting such claims.
DrSmellThis
02-09-2004, 02:32 PM
Well, you can derive
straight androsterone from cedar EO, for example. -Rone is already sold this way to perfumers! I tried a sample, and
like it better than lab synthesized -rone, as it attracts more attention, like -none, possibly due to the residue
from cedar (this is another reason why I like Arouser). This is one of the many such things perfumers typically keep
secret, unfortunately. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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Well, you can derive straight androsterone from cedar EO, for example. -Rone
is already sold this way to perfumers! I like it better than lab synthesized -rone, as it attracts more attention,
like -none, possibly due to the residue from cedar (this is another reason why I like Arouser). This is one of the
many such things perfumers typically keep secret, unfortunately. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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No sh-t! So cedarwood trees have rone? And can this be said
about those trees that they get sandalwood from? I found a couple comericial places on the internet selling
sandalwood that mentioned it was similar to rone.
What else do you speculate is in these things, and do trees
have something akin to hormones?
BJF
DrSmellThis
02-09-2004, 02:56 PM
Sandalwood contains so many
purported pheromone and pheromone analogs, in various concentrations, it is hard to keep track of them. Cedar is
almost that way too. It is really super difficult to access this knowledge. I am in a constant state of frustration
with all the secrecy in perfuming.
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Sandalwood contains so many purported pheromone and pheromone analogs, in
various concentrations, it is hard to keep track of them. Cedar is almost that way too. It is really super difficult
to access this knowledge. I am in a constant state of frustration with all the secrecy in perfuming.
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Where can I purchase some sandalwood oil?
everywhere, look up essential oils
on the net, there will be hundreds of places that sell it.
I do not know who has a good sandalwood, DST would
know about this.
Does freshness matter of the EOs, and who has fresh stuff?
Elana
02-09-2004, 03:23 PM
I love
www.camdengrey.com (\"http://www.camdengrey.com\") and
www.cedarvale.net (\"http://www.cedarvale.net\")
I think Drsmellthis is a fan of Liberty
DrSmellThis
02-09-2004, 08:42 PM
Yes, Liberty Natural
Products.
Freshness is a bad thing where sandalwood is concerned!
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Sagacious1420
02-09-2004, 09:21 PM
Does the variety of
cedarwood matter regarding the rone [or other phero(-like) compounds], e.g. atlas vs. virginia?
DrSmellThis
02-10-2004, 03:28 AM
I hear the Himilayan, Atlas
(which is almost identical to Himilayan), Texas, and Virginia cedars each have somewhat different phero ingredients,
or concentrations of them. I mix them when I\'m making a cedar note. I don\'t know which cedar they derive -rone
from, however, or even if it matters. I suspect Himilayan (which is especially pungent and concentrated in some
pheromones) or Virginia (as it\'s plentiful).
I should add that a simple way to try to increase the
effectiveness of your -rone, at least theoretically, would be to mix it with Arouser, or a bit of cedar EO, to
\"naturalize\" it. (If I have to use one cedar by itself I use Texas cedar, which has a friendlier smell.) This is
a general trick often used by perfumers. IMHO, sandalwood would work too.
Incidentally, freshness matters
most with citruses and EO\'s that are diluted, as carrier oils can become rancid over time.
Sagacious1420
02-10-2004, 04:40 AM
Thanks Doc. I\'ll
probably start w/ Virginia or Atlas since they are both readily available in the area stores. I think there may be
one shop that carries Texas as well, but I\'d have to check on that.
oscar
02-10-2004, 08:18 AM
Hey,
I really didn\'t want to
distract from the interesting bent that this thread has taken regarding the pheromonal properties of EO\'s, so I
looked up some of the constituents of sandalwood oil and some of the components sound a lot like phero
names:
Sandalwood Oil-
\"The oil (includes 80 to 90% terpeniod alcohols incl. alpha-santalol and beta
santalol which is a mixture of two primary sesquiterpenic alcohols) santalic and teresantalic acid, aldehyde,
pterocarpin and hydrocarbons, isovaleric aldehyde, santene, santenone.
That\'s from this
site:
http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwoo
d.cfm (\"http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwood.cfm\")
Anyway, that\'s my contribution to the tangent. But I did want to address the initial post on this
thread.
First of all I thought the dream of being chased by a pig was great given the relationship of pigs and
truffles and
Androstenol:
http://www.trufflemarket.c
om/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm (\"http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm\")
But that\'s still not the primary reason why I started to prepare
a reply to this thread before it took off in what I think is probably a far more educational direction.
BEES.
Humans are not naturally prey for bees. They will sting humans when they or their hive is threatened, but they do
not actively seek out humans to sting. Thus a human pheromone signature, whether natural or synthetic, should not
attract or encourage bees to attack you.
A bee\'s natural \"prey\" is flowers. So you\'re far more likely to
attract bees and therefore increase the danger of being stung if you wear a fragrance which contains floral
components. From many years of working outdoors I can personally attest to this.
So that begs the question:
What species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to
attacking us as a result of our amplifying our pheromone signals?
The answer: I don\'t know.
But in the future
I\'m going to be a little apprehensive to pour on the pheros when I\'m somewhere where mosquitoes are a problem.
Or bears. Or sharks. Or man-eating tigers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Oscar
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Sagacious1420
02-10-2004, 08:50 AM
Thanks for the info and
the links.
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So that begs the question:
What
species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to attacking us as
a result of our amplifying our pheromone signal?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Other humans, maybe.
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Hey,
I really didn\'t want to distract from the interesting bent that
this thread has taken regarding the pheromonal properties of EO\'s, so I looked up some of the constituents of
sandalwood oil and some of the components sound a lot like phero names:
Sandalwood Oil-
\"The oil (includes 80
to 90% terpeniod alcohols incl. alpha-santalol and beta santalol which is a mixture of two primary
sesquiterpenic alcohols) santalic and teresantalic acid, aldehyde, pterocarpin and hydrocarbons, isovaleric
aldehyde, santene, santenone.
That\'s from this
site:
http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwoo
d.cfm (\"http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwood.cfm\")
Anyway, that\'s my contribution to the tangent. But I did want to address the initial post on this
thread.
First of all I thought the dream of being chased by a pig was great given the relationship of pigs and
truffles and
Androstenol:
http://www.trufflemarket.c
om/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm (\"http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm\")
But that\'s still not the primary reason why I started to prepare
a reply to this thread before it took off in what I think is probably a far more educational direction.
BEES.
Humans are not naturally prey for bees. They will sting humans when they or their hive is threatened, but they do
not actively seek out humans to sting. Thus a human pheromone signature, whether natural or synthetic, should not
attract or encourage bees to attack you.
A bee\'s natural \"prey\" is flowers. So you\'re far more likely to
attract bees and therefore increase the danger of being stung if you wear a fragrance which contains floral
components. From many years of working outdoors I can personally attest to this.
So that begs the question:
What species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to
attacking us as a result of our amplifying our pheromone signals?
The answer: I don\'t know.
But in the future
I\'m going to be a little apprehensive to pour on the pheros when I\'m somewhere where mosquitoes are a problem.
Or bears. Or sharks. Or man-eating tigers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Oscar
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Oscar, you are the man.
*If* plants have pheromones that can work on us (ie the trees that
produce sandalwood oil) than human pheromones might be close enough to those emitted from flowers to attract a bees
attention. But who cares about bees anyway.
Given that we know this stuff works on cats and dogs, I do think it
is a smart idea to avoid the bears and alpha male gorillas.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Back to what matters:
Sorry, I don\'t know too much
about plants, but do plants have sex hormones or something akin to that?
Let\'s not led this thread die, it
would be nice to get a better handle on organic oils from plants and pheromones. After all, we produce hundreds of
pheromones ourselves, but most of them are not available as synthetics.
check out this link on plant
pheromones http://www.calypsos-oil.com/ (\"http://www.calypsos-oil.com/\") it´s part of skinbios website
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check out this link on plant pheromones
http://www.calypsos-oil.com/ (\"http://www.calypsos-oil.com/\") it´s part of skinbios website
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Thanks, I have seen that a bunch of times. They bring up truffles. Other
than that, it seems vague. Doesn\'t really explain much other than making claims.
jvkohl
02-10-2004, 01:07 PM
I am
reminded of a tragedy first reported in 1989, when I was in an earlier phase of collecting info on pheromones:
---------------------------------------------------------
Gibbons, D.L. (1989) Unusual case: Sex in the woods.
Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 23, 10(Oct), 63.
\"Cindy, who was menstruating... had gone alone to a portable
commode hidden in a thicket to change her tampon, unaware that a young stag was nearby... Smelling her menstrual
secretions, the deer became sexually aroused. He bounded through the trees and knocked Cindy to the ground. Then
while prancing up and down with his forefoot on her shoulder, the sexually excited deer sprinkled her with
semen.\"
----------------------------------------------------------
As farfetched as this may seem, and despite
the emotional consequences for a woman who might otherwise never have known the power of pheromones; the story does
add new meaning to the phrase \"terms of endeerment (sic).\"
CptKipling
02-10-2004, 01:18 PM
lol
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Quote:
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check out this link
on plant pheromones http://www.calypsos-oil.com/ (\"http://www.calypsos-oil.com/\") it´s part of skinbios
website
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Thanks, I have
seen that a bunch of times. They bring up truffles. Other than that, it seems vague. Doesn\'t really explain much
other than making claims.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> truffels?
Yea, the
skin bio pheromone page does.
Sorry it wasn\'t that one.
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I am reminded of a tragedy first reported in 1989,
when I was in an earlier phase of collecting info on pheromones:
---------------------------------------------------------
Gibbons, D.L. (1989) Unusual case: Sex in the woods.
Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 23, 10(Oct), 63.
\"Cindy, who was menstruating... had gone alone to a portable
commode hidden in a thicket to change her tampon, unaware that a young stag was nearby... Smelling her menstrual
secretions, the deer became sexually aroused. He bounded through the trees and knocked Cindy to the ground. Then
while prancing up and down with his forefoot on her shoulder, the sexually excited deer sprinkled her with
semen.\"
----------------------------------------------------------
As farfetched as this may seem, and despite
the emotional consequences for a woman who might otherwise never have known the power of pheromones; the story does
add new meaning to the phrase \"terms of endeerment (sic).\"
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OUCH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif One
more reason NOT to go out when you´re on /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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Hey,
I
really didn\'t want to distract from the interesting bent that this thread has taken regarding the pheromonal
properties of EO\'s, so I looked up some of the constituents of sandalwood oil and some of the components sound a
lot like phero names:
Sandalwood Oil-
\"The oil (includes 80 to 90% terpeniod alcohols incl. alpha-santalol
and beta santalol which is a mixture of two primary sesquiterpenic alcohols) santalic and teresantalic acid,
aldehyde, pterocarpin and hydrocarbons, isovaleric aldehyde, santene, santenone.
That\'s from this
site:
http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwoo
d.cfm (\"http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwood.cfm\")
Anyway, that\'s my contribution to the tangent. But I did want to address the initial post on this
thread.
First of all I thought the dream of being chased by a pig was great given the relationship of pigs and
truffles and
Androstenol:
http://www.trufflemarket.c
om/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm (\"http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm\")
But that\'s still not the primary reason why I started to prepare
a reply to this thread before it took off in what I think is probably a far more educational direction.
BEES.
Humans are not naturally prey for bees. They will sting humans when they or their hive is threatened, but they do
not actively seek out humans to sting. Thus a human pheromone signature, whether natural or synthetic, should not
attract or encourage bees to attack you.
A bee\'s natural \"prey\" is flowers. So you\'re far more likely to
attract bees and therefore increase the danger of being stung if you wear a fragrance which contains floral
components. From many years of working outdoors I can personally attest to this.
So that begs the question:
What species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to
attacking us as a result of our amplifying our pheromone signals?
The answer: I don\'t know.
But in the future
I\'m going to be a little apprehensive to pour on the pheros when I\'m somewhere where mosquitoes are a problem.
Or bears. Or sharks. Or man-eating tigers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Oscar
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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class=\"post\">
Oscar, you are the man.
*If* plants have pheromones that can work on us (ie the trees that
produce sandalwood oil) than human pheromones might be close enough to those emitted from flowers to attract a bees
attention. But who cares about bees anyway.
Given that we know this stuff works on cats and dogs, I do think it
is a smart idea to avoid the bears and alpha male gorillas.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Back to what matters:
Sorry, I don\'t know too much
about plants, but do plants have sex hormones or something akin to that?
Let\'s not led this thread die, it
would be nice to get a better handle on organic oils from plants and pheromones. After all, we produce hundreds of
pheromones ourselves, but most of them are not available as synthetics.
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class=\"post\">
I wonder if this is related to plants/trees (and thus EOs) having the ability to have pheromone
and pheromone-like
compounds:
[url=\"http://www.musclesurf.com/androstat100.html\"]http://www.musclesurf.com/androstat100.html[/ur
l]
Description:
Androstat 100 60 tablets from Pinnacle.
Androstat 100 contains 100 mg. of androstenedione, an
adrenal gland hormone and the direct precursor to testosterone.1 Androstenedione occurs naturally in the body and is
commonly found in animals and plants (including the pollen of Scotch Pine Trees).
Testosterone is a huge key to
successful bodybuilding. Unfortunately, the health dangers associated with the use of illicit anabolic steroids that
provide testosterone are significant: zit breakouts, prostate hypertrophy, a decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol,
testicular atrophy, liver toxicity and kidney stress just to name a few. The appeal of androstenedione is that,
although it is not testosterone, the body uses it to make its own testosterone. The risks, therefore, are
potentially far less.
But is androstenedione really effective as a testosterone precursor? As a matter of fact,
before the fall of the Berlin wall, East German scientists experimented extensively with androstenedione to enhance
performance in East German Olympic athletes. What they found was that it increased testosterone levels in a big
way.2 According to one study quoted in an East German patent application, oral doses of androstenedione given to men
at levels of 50 mg and 100 mg, raised testosterone levels from 140% to 183% and 211% to 237%, respectively.3
Due
to its effectiveness as a testosterone precursor, androstenedione is not recommended for women as part of a regular
supplementation program. Also, it should not be used by anyone with any known health problems without first
consulting his physician. Finally, it should not be used by children or teenagers.
A distinct advantage to
Androstat 100 is that it is inulinized. Inulinization is an ingenious and patented delivery system where the
supplement ingredient (in this case androstenedione) is attached to inulin (a long-chain fructose molecule) through
a chemical reaction process.4 Since inulin can remain in the blood stream for an extended period of time (up to 10
hours5), ingredients that are attached to it can be “held in reserve” until such time as their release is
advantageous.
In this way, androstenedione can still work for you even if it needs to be released an hour or two
later when testosterone receptor sites are available.
If you\'re looking for a dietary supplement that is most
effective testosterone precursor (without exception), then Androstat 100 may be for you, because it enhances your
body\'s own natural production of testosterone.
What\'s in it?
Serving size: 1 tablet
Each serving
provides:
4-androstenedione-3, 17 -dione complex: 100mg
Ingredients: Calcium Phosphate, Lecithin, Xanthan Gum,
Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate.
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Hey,
I really didn\'t want to distract from
the interesting bent that this thread has taken regarding the pheromonal properties of EO\'s, so I looked up some
of the constituents of sandalwood oil and some of the components sound a lot like phero names:
Sandalwood
Oil-
\"The oil (includes 80 to 90% terpeniod alcohols incl. alpha-santalol and beta santalol which is a
mixture of two primary sesquiterpenic alcohols) santalic and teresantalic acid, aldehyde, pterocarpin and
hydrocarbons, isovaleric aldehyde, santene, santenone.
That\'s from this
site:
http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwoo
d.cfm (\"http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/sandalwood.cfm\")
Anyway, that\'s my contribution to the tangent. But I did want to address the initial post on this
thread.
First of all I thought the dream of being chased by a pig was great given the relationship of pigs and
truffles and
Androstenol:
http://www.trufflemarket.c
om/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm (\"http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm\")
But that\'s still not the primary reason why I started to prepare
a reply to this thread before it took off in what I think is probably a far more educational direction.
BEES.
Humans are not naturally prey for bees. They will sting humans when they or their hive is threatened, but they do
not actively seek out humans to sting. Thus a human pheromone signature, whether natural or synthetic, should not
attract or encourage bees to attack you.
A bee\'s natural \"prey\" is flowers. So you\'re far more likely to
attract bees and therefore increase the danger of being stung if you wear a fragrance which contains floral
components. From many years of working outdoors I can personally attest to this.
So that begs the question:
What species that DO prey upon humans might be more likely to be attracted and consequently more prone to
attacking us as a result of our amplifying our pheromone signals?
The answer: I don\'t know.
But in the future
I\'m going to be a little apprehensive to pour on the pheros when I\'m somewhere where mosquitoes are a problem.
Or bears. Or sharks. Or man-eating tigers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Oscar
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Oscar, you are the man.
*If* plants have pheromones that can work on us (ie the trees that
produce sandalwood oil) than human pheromones might be close enough to those emitted from flowers to attract a bees
attention. But who cares about bees anyway.
Given that we know this stuff works on cats and dogs, I do think it
is a smart idea to avoid the bears and alpha male gorillas.
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Back to what matters:
Sorry, I don\'t know too much
about plants, but do plants have sex hormones or something akin to that?
Let\'s not led this thread die, it
would be nice to get a better handle on organic oils from plants and pheromones. After all, we produce hundreds of
pheromones ourselves, but most of them are not available as synthetics.
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I wonder if this is related to plants/trees (and thus EOs) having the ability to have pheromone
and pheromone-like
compounds:
[url=\"http://www.musclesurf.com/androstat100.html\"]http://www.musclesurf.com/androstat100.html[/ur
l]
Description:
Androstat 100 60 tablets from Pinnacle.
Androstat 100 contains 100 mg. of androstenedione, an
adrenal gland hormone and the direct precursor to testosterone.1 Androstenedione occurs naturally in the body and is
commonly found in animals and plants (including the pollen of Scotch Pine Trees).
Testosterone is a huge key to
successful bodybuilding. Unfortunately, the health dangers associated with the use of illicit anabolic steroids that
provide testosterone are significant: zit breakouts, prostate hypertrophy, a decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol,
testicular atrophy, liver toxicity and kidney stress just to name a few. The appeal of androstenedione is that,
although it is not testosterone, the body uses it to make its own testosterone. The risks, therefore, are
potentially far less.
But is androstenedione really effective as a testosterone precursor? As a matter of fact,
before the fall of the Berlin wall, East German scientists experimented extensively with androstenedione to enhance
performance in East German Olympic athletes. What they found was that it increased testosterone levels in a big
way.2 According to one study quoted in an East German patent application, oral doses of androstenedione given to men
at levels of 50 mg and 100 mg, raised testosterone levels from 140% to 183% and 211% to 237%, respectively.3
Due
to its effectiveness as a testosterone precursor, androstenedione is not recommended for women as part of a regular
supplementation program. Also, it should not be used by anyone with any known health problems without first
consulting his physician. Finally, it should not be used by children or teenagers.
A distinct advantage to
Androstat 100 is that it is inulinized. Inulinization is an ingenious and patented delivery system where the
supplement ingredient (in this case androstenedione) is attached to inulin (a long-chain fructose molecule) through
a chemical reaction process.4 Since inulin can remain in the blood stream for an extended period of time (up to 10
hours5), ingredients that are attached to it can be “held in reserve” until such time as their release is
advantageous.
In this way, androstenedione can still work for you even if it needs to be released an hour or two
later when testosterone receptor sites are available.
If you\'re looking for a dietary supplement that is most
effective testosterone precursor (without exception), then Androstat 100 may be for you, because it enhances your
body\'s own natural production of testosterone.
What\'s in it?
Serving size: 1 tablet
Each serving
provides:
4-androstenedione-3, 17 -dione complex: 100mg
Ingredients: Calcium Phosphate, Lecithin, Xanthan Gum,
Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate.
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I have taken a similar product
called 1 AD. It boosted my testosterone levels dramatically. I was going up in my bench press 5 to 10 pounds each
week. The stuff works, but it is really only good for body builders and power lifters. It does not have phero like
effects. Also, if you use it watch out for those testosterone crashes, they are not fun at all.
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I have taken a similar product called 1 AD. It boosted my testosterone
levels dramatically. I was going up in my bench press 5 to 10 pounds each week. The stuff works, but it is really
only good for body builders and power lifters. It does not have phero like effects. Also, if you use it watch out
for those testosterone crashes, they are not fun at all.
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I am not
saying it is a pheromone. Isn\'t a precurser to testosterone which in turn is responsible for certain
pheromones.
Regardless, I would not have guessed plants/trees would have that stuff, so hey, you never know,
maybe it is possible they share some of our pheromones.
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Well, you can derive straight androsterone from cedar EO, for example. -Rone
is already sold this way to perfumers! I tried a sample, and like it better than lab synthesized -rone, as it
attracts more attention, like -none, possibly due to the residue from cedar (this is another reason why I like
Arouser). This is one of the many such things perfumers typically keep secret, unfortunately.
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Are you
referring to methyltestosterone?
DrSmellThis
02-13-2004, 07:28 PM
No, that\'s another
purported pheromone used in perfuming. As you reminded me in your PM (thanks!), I once posted that I believe
that\'s one of the things you can get from sandalwood.
DrSmellThis
10-15-2004, 04:52 PM
Heartfelt thanks from a bee
phobe.
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