View Full Version : US National Debt
Bruce
01-27-2004, 09:44 AM
Just hit 4 *trillion*
dollars! Is that bothering anyone besides me?
B
Pancho1188
01-27-2004, 09:54 AM
The Negative:
Over half of the US budget goes toward paying interest on the national debt. If we weren\'t in debt, maybe our
tax dollars could go to other things...
People are dumb when it comes to the budget. If we spend too much, we
have a deficit and people complain about the government spending too much. If we have a balanced budget, people
rejoice but we never get to paying off our debt. If we actually accumulate money, people start thinking of ways to
SPEND the extra money or...get this...give it back to the taxpayers because the government shouldn\'t be
profitting from them but only have the money they need. Nobody says, \"Hey, we should pay off some of our debt
with this extra money. In fact, it\'s not extra money because we could always pay off our debt with it.\"
The
Positive: As my AP US History/Economics teacher once said, \"Who cares if we have so much debt? Is there going to
be a \'Judgement Day\'? Will all of the debt collectors suddenly say, \'Okay, pay up now or we\'ll destroy
your government.\'? Besides, who owns the debt? United States citizens are funding over 90% of the national
debt, so who cares? The US owes the money, the US is owed the money, and the US is good for the money. Where\'s
the problem?\"
belgareth
01-27-2004, 09:59 AM
It\'s bothering
the crap out of me! I can\'t figure out what our government is trying to do. Billions spent (wasted!) in other
countries and services cut for the people who pay the taxes. Something is very wrong here. While I place some of the
blame on Bush, a bigger part goes to the government as a whole and mostly to each of us for sticking our heads in
the sand and allowing it to happen.
belgareth
01-27-2004, 10:02 AM
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The Positive: As my AP US History/Economics
teacher once said, \"Who cares if we have so much debt? Is there going to be a \'Judgement Day\'? Will all of
the debt collectors suddenly say, \'Okay, pay up now or we\'ll destroy your government.\'? Besides, who owns
the debt? United States citizens are funding over 90% of the national debt, so who cares? The US owes the money,
the US is owed the money, and the US is good for the money. Where\'s the problem?\"
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The problem lies in the fact that it pushes up costs to every person in
the country. In the long term, it reduces our purchasing power and our quality of life. Higher prices result in
fewer dollars for education, infrastructure and healthcare.
franki
01-27-2004, 10:16 AM
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Nobody says, \"Hey, we should pay off some of
our debt with this extra money. In fact, it\'s not extra money because we could always pay off our debt with
it.\"
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It would not be good if the government would pay off all
the debt cause there would be no more bonds to invest money in, wouldn\'t it? You are a finance major, right? So I
expect a good answer..
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Gossamer_2701
01-27-2004, 11:13 AM
Personally it
makes me sick.... didn\'t we have it way... way down around \'98? Then huricane Dub\'ya blows into town a
couple a years later /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif, with his I do whatever I damn well please
attitude, and.... in under 4 years we have a 4 trillion dollar national debt
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I really hope we can find somebody to run against Dub\'ya...
b/c I don\'t think we can handle another 4 years of that dumba$$ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
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Goss
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The Positive: As my AP US History/Economics teacher once said, \"Who
cares if we have so much debt? Is there going to be a \'Judgement Day\'? Will all of the debt collectors
suddenly say, \'Okay, pay up now or we\'ll destroy your government.\'? Besides, who owns the debt? United
States citizens are funding over 90% of the national debt, so who cares? The US owes the money, the US is owed the
money, and the US is good for the money. Where\'s the problem?\"
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The problem lies in the fact that it pushes up costs to every person in the country. In the
long term, it reduces our purchasing power and our quality of life. Higher prices result in fewer dollars for
education, infrastructure and healthcare.
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Don\'t forget
congress. A little favor here, a little influence peddling there-- and we get new highways, where we don\'t need
them, but don\'t repair the ones we need. Or, we allocate more foreign aid. Later, we get shot by our \"allies\"
with American-made weapons.
Remember WHO financed Saddam, in the beginning?
Gossamer_2701
01-27-2004, 11:39 AM
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Remember WHO financed Saddam, in the beginning?
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That\'s how we KNOW that he had weapons of mass
destruction.. We gave them to him in the first place /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Our tax
dollars at work /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Goss
Pancho1188
01-27-2004, 12:11 PM
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Nobody says, \"Hey, we should pay off some of our debt with this extra
money. In fact, it\'s not extra money because we could always pay off our debt with it.\"
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It would not be good if the government would pay off all the debt cause
there would be no more bonds to invest money in, wouldn\'t it? You are a finance major, right? So I expect a good
answer..
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You\'re 100% correct. T-bills, T-notes, and T-bonds (and savings bonds...remember when you
wanted a toy when you were a kid and got one of those instead??? Bastards) help to fund the government...which is
why you see at the bottom of my previous post that over 90% of the national debt is funded by Americans themselves.
In reality, there is no \"need\" to rid the national debt because bonds are an essential part of the US
marketplace, and for every person who sells one, there\'s usually someone who wants to buy one.
However, I hate
the feeling of being in debt and paying any type of interest, so I naturally want to pay off anything I owe right
away. Also, if you paid $1,000,000,000 extra per year over the base interest payment on the national debt, it\'d
still take 4,000 years to pay off...so it\'s not going anywhere, believe me.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif The national debt has only been $0 once in American history, and it
was done by the famous forefather Alexander Hamilton. He was shot, and thus the debt began again...
Was that
good enough of a reply, Franki, or should I go into supply, demand, mu, sigma, expected returns, standard deviation
of risk, and individual versus systematic risk?
BigBear
01-27-2004, 12:12 PM
So longs as it
doesn\'t stop me ridin\'!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
-----BigBadBear
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Elana
01-27-2004, 12:27 PM
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So longs as it doesn\'t stop me ridin\'!!!
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-----BigBadBear
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At least you
have your priorities in order. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
BigBear
01-27-2004, 12:32 PM
You KNOW it
hun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
-----BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Elana
01-27-2004, 12:35 PM
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You KNOW it hun!
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
-----BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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OK...make up your mind. Who is hun...me or Pancho?
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BigBear
01-27-2004, 12:37 PM
Your all hunny to a
bigbadbear like me!
------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Pancho1188
01-27-2004, 12:48 PM
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You KNOW it hun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
-----BigBadBear
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OK...make up
your mind. Who is hun...me or Pancho? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I was born to be a hun... I\'ve been called that so many times in my
life (by so many different people), it\'s not even funny. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
On
the other hand, Elana is hotter than I am. I don\'t know if attractiveness fits into the equation.
Wait...I
HAVE A BEARD!!! Ssssssssst would say I win!!! Then again, when you have a beard, everyone wins!!!!!!
I am
making no sense today.
Elana
01-27-2004, 12:52 PM
I have a feeling that
BigBear would find you hotter than me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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Icarus
01-27-2004, 02:06 PM
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when you have a beard, everyone wins!!!!!!
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Sage words.
BigBear, what do you think of our resident
Pancho?
Steve
franki
01-27-2004, 08:00 PM
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Was that good enough of a reply, Franki, or
should I go into supply, demand, mu, sigma, expected returns, standard deviation of risk, and individual versus
systematic risk?
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yeah, good enough.
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You KNOW it hun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
-----BigBadBear
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OK...make up
your mind. Who is hun...me or Pancho? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Both of you are hun.
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So longs as it doesn\'t stop me ridin\'!!!
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-----BigBadBear
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What do you
ride, sweetie? Or, is it \"whom?\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
BigBear
01-28-2004, 09:53 AM
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BigBear, what do you think of our resident Pancho?
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love him to death! like i said, ive been reading the bord for a
while now... he craks me up, n he\'s just a cute little sweetie /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Both of you are hun.
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she gets it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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What do you ride, sweetie? Or, is it \"whom?\"
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A Harley and a dude called Marley
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
------BigBadBear
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Elana
01-28-2004, 10:02 AM
Pancho and Big Bear
sitting in a tree....
K-i-s-s-i-n-g /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
BigBear
01-28-2004, 10:05 AM
your just jealous
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
you want some
BBB!!!
------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Elana
01-28-2004, 10:07 AM
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your just jealous
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
you want some
BBB!!!
------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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I don\'t think
that you are my type, but we do share one major common interest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
franki
01-28-2004, 10:08 AM
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your just jealous /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
you want some BBB!!!
------BigBadBear
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I don\'t think that you are my type, but we do share one major
common interest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Pancho? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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Elana
01-28-2004, 10:09 AM
well Pancho has one,
and it does start with a P. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Pancho1188
01-28-2004, 10:35 AM
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Pancho and Big Bear sitting in a
tree....
K-i-s-s-i-n-g /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
your just jealous
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
you want some
BBB!!!
------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Yeah, you\'re
probably right. She\'s just jealous of what we have going on... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Pancho1188
01-28-2004, 10:36 AM
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</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
your just
jealous /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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you want
some BBB!!!
------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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I don\'t
think that you are my type, but we do share one major common interest.
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Pancho? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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I wish,
Franki, I wish... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Apparently enough to think that
that\'s what she meant until I saw her later post... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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Elana
01-28-2004, 10:36 AM
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Pancho and Big Bear sitting in a tree....
K-i-s-s-i-n-g
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class=\"post\">
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
your just jealous
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
you want some
BBB!!!
------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Yeah, you\'re
probably right. She\'s just jealous of what we have going on... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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It\'s true. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
EXIT63
01-28-2004, 10:39 AM
911
BigBear
01-28-2004, 10:44 AM
ROFL@all (\"ROFL@all\") of you!
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
------BigBadBear
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A Harley and a dude called Marley
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> got pics of that session? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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