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Bruce
01-27-2004, 09:44 AM
Just hit 4 *trillion*

dollars! Is that bothering anyone besides me?

B

Pancho1188
01-27-2004, 09:54 AM
The Negative:

Over half of the US budget goes toward paying interest on the national debt. If we weren\'t in debt, maybe our

tax dollars could go to other things...

People are dumb when it comes to the budget. If we spend too much, we

have a deficit and people complain about the government spending too much. If we have a balanced budget, people

rejoice but we never get to paying off our debt. If we actually accumulate money, people start thinking of ways to

SPEND the extra money or...get this...give it back to the taxpayers because the government shouldn\'t be

profitting from them but only have the money they need. Nobody says, \"Hey, we should pay off some of our debt

with this extra money. In fact, it\'s not extra money because we could always pay off our debt with it.\"

The

Positive: As my AP US History/Economics teacher once said, \"Who cares if we have so much debt? Is there going to

be a \'Judgement Day\'? Will all of the debt collectors suddenly say, \'Okay, pay up now or we\'ll destroy

your government.\'? Besides, who owns the debt? United States citizens are funding over 90% of the national

debt, so who cares? The US owes the money, the US is owed the money, and the US is good for the money. Where\'s

the problem?\"

belgareth
01-27-2004, 09:59 AM
It\'s bothering

the crap out of me! I can\'t figure out what our government is trying to do. Billions spent (wasted!) in other

countries and services cut for the people who pay the taxes. Something is very wrong here. While I place some of the

blame on Bush, a bigger part goes to the government as a whole and mostly to each of us for sticking our heads in

the sand and allowing it to happen.

belgareth
01-27-2004, 10:02 AM
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The Positive: As my AP US History/Economics

teacher once said, \"Who cares if we have so much debt? Is there going to be a \'Judgement Day\'? Will all of

the debt collectors suddenly say, \'Okay, pay up now or we\'ll destroy your government.\'? Besides, who owns

the debt? United States citizens are funding over 90% of the national debt, so who cares? The US owes the money,

the US is owed the money, and the US is good for the money. Where\'s the problem?\"

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The problem lies in the fact that it pushes up costs to every person in

the country. In the long term, it reduces our purchasing power and our quality of life. Higher prices result in

fewer dollars for education, infrastructure and healthcare.

franki
01-27-2004, 10:16 AM
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Nobody says, \"Hey, we should pay off some of

our debt with this extra money. In fact, it\'s not extra money because we could always pay off our debt with

it.\"


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It would not be good if the government would pay off all

the debt cause there would be no more bonds to invest money in, wouldn\'t it? You are a finance major, right? So I

expect a good answer..

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Gossamer_2701
01-27-2004, 11:13 AM
Personally it

makes me sick.... didn\'t we have it way... way down around \'98? Then huricane Dub\'ya blows into town a

couple a years later /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif, with his I do whatever I damn well please

attitude, and.... in under 4 years we have a 4 trillion dollar national debt

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

I really hope we can find somebody to run against Dub\'ya...

b/c I don\'t think we can handle another 4 years of that dumba$$ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Goss

Kari
01-27-2004, 11:19 AM
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The Positive: As my AP US History/Economics teacher once said, \"Who

cares if we have so much debt? Is there going to be a \'Judgement Day\'? Will all of the debt collectors

suddenly say, \'Okay, pay up now or we\'ll destroy your government.\'? Besides, who owns the debt? United

States citizens are funding over 90% of the national debt, so who cares? The US owes the money, the US is owed the

money, and the US is good for the money. Where\'s the problem?\"

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class=\"post\">

The problem lies in the fact that it pushes up costs to every person in the country. In the

long term, it reduces our purchasing power and our quality of life. Higher prices result in fewer dollars for

education, infrastructure and healthcare.

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Don\'t forget

congress. A little favor here, a little influence peddling there-- and we get new highways, where we don\'t need

them, but don\'t repair the ones we need. Or, we allocate more foreign aid. Later, we get shot by our \"allies\"

with American-made weapons.

Remember WHO financed Saddam, in the beginning?

Gossamer_2701
01-27-2004, 11:39 AM
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Remember WHO financed Saddam, in the beginning?





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That\'s how we KNOW that he had weapons of mass

destruction.. We gave them to him in the first place /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Our tax

dollars at work /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Goss

Pancho1188
01-27-2004, 12:11 PM
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Nobody says, \"Hey, we should pay off some of our debt with this extra

money. In fact, it\'s not extra money because we could always pay off our debt with it.\"


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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

It would not be good if the government would pay off all the debt cause

there would be no more bonds to invest money in, wouldn\'t it? You are a finance major, right? So I expect a good

answer..

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You\'re 100% correct. T-bills, T-notes, and T-bonds (and savings bonds...remember when you

wanted a toy when you were a kid and got one of those instead??? Bastards) help to fund the government...which is

why you see at the bottom of my previous post that over 90% of the national debt is funded by Americans themselves.

In reality, there is no \"need\" to rid the national debt because bonds are an essential part of the US

marketplace, and for every person who sells one, there\'s usually someone who wants to buy one.

However, I hate

the feeling of being in debt and paying any type of interest, so I naturally want to pay off anything I owe right

away. Also, if you paid $1,000,000,000 extra per year over the base interest payment on the national debt, it\'d

still take 4,000 years to pay off...so it\'s not going anywhere, believe me.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif The national debt has only been $0 once in American history, and it

was done by the famous forefather Alexander Hamilton. He was shot, and thus the debt began again...

Was that

good enough of a reply, Franki, or should I go into supply, demand, mu, sigma, expected returns, standard deviation

of risk, and individual versus systematic risk?

BigBear
01-27-2004, 12:12 PM
So longs as it

doesn\'t stop me ridin\'!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-----BigBadBear

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Elana
01-27-2004, 12:27 PM
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So longs as it doesn\'t stop me ridin\'!!!

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-----BigBadBear

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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At least you

have your priorities in order. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BigBear
01-27-2004, 12:32 PM
You KNOW it

hun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

-----BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Elana
01-27-2004, 12:35 PM
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You KNOW it hun!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

-----BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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OK...make up your mind. Who is hun...me or Pancho?

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BigBear
01-27-2004, 12:37 PM
Your all hunny to a

bigbadbear like me!

------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Pancho1188
01-27-2004, 12:48 PM
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You KNOW it hun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

-----BigBadBear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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OK...make up

your mind. Who is hun...me or Pancho? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I was born to be a hun... I\'ve been called that so many times in my

life (by so many different people), it\'s not even funny. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

On

the other hand, Elana is hotter than I am. I don\'t know if attractiveness fits into the equation.

Wait...I

HAVE A BEARD!!! Ssssssssst would say I win!!! Then again, when you have a beard, everyone wins!!!!!!


I am

making no sense today.

Elana
01-27-2004, 12:52 PM
I have a feeling that

BigBear would find you hotter than me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Icarus
01-27-2004, 02:06 PM
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when you have a beard, everyone wins!!!!!!

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Sage words.

BigBear, what do you think of our resident

Pancho?

Steve

franki
01-27-2004, 08:00 PM
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Was that good enough of a reply, Franki, or

should I go into supply, demand, mu, sigma, expected returns, standard deviation of risk, and individual versus

systematic risk?

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

yeah, good enough.

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Kari
01-28-2004, 07:16 AM
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You KNOW it hun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

-----BigBadBear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

OK...make up

your mind. Who is hun...me or Pancho? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Both of you are hun.

Kari
01-28-2004, 07:18 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
So longs as it doesn\'t stop me ridin\'!!!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-----BigBadBear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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What do you

ride, sweetie? Or, is it \"whom?\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BigBear
01-28-2004, 09:53 AM
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BigBear, what do you think of our resident Pancho?



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love him to death! like i said, ive been reading the bord for a

while now... he craks me up, n he\'s just a cute little sweetie /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Both of you are hun.

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class=\"post\">

she gets it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
What do you ride, sweetie? Or, is it \"whom?\"



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

A Harley and a dude called Marley

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

------BigBadBear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Elana
01-28-2004, 10:02 AM
Pancho and Big Bear

sitting in a tree....
K-i-s-s-i-n-g /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BigBear
01-28-2004, 10:05 AM
your just jealous

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

you want some

BBB!!!

------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Elana
01-28-2004, 10:07 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
your just jealous

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

you want some

BBB!!!

------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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I don\'t think

that you are my type, but we do share one major common interest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

franki
01-28-2004, 10:08 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
your just jealous /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

you want some BBB!!!

------BigBadBear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I don\'t think that you are my type, but we do share one major

common interest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Pancho? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Elana
01-28-2004, 10:09 AM
well Pancho has one,

and it does start with a P. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Pancho1188
01-28-2004, 10:35 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Pancho and Big Bear sitting in a

tree....
K-i-s-s-i-n-g /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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class=\"post\">
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
your just jealous

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

you want some

BBB!!!

------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Yeah, you\'re

probably right. She\'s just jealous of what we have going on... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Pancho1188
01-28-2004, 10:36 AM
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</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
your just

jealous /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

you want

some BBB!!!

------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I don\'t

think that you are my type, but we do share one major common interest.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Pancho? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I wish,

Franki, I wish... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Apparently enough to think that

that\'s what she meant until I saw her later post... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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Elana
01-28-2004, 10:36 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Pancho and Big Bear sitting in a tree....
K-i-s-s-i-n-g

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
your just jealous

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

you want some

BBB!!!

------BigBadBear /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Yeah, you\'re

probably right. She\'s just jealous of what we have going on... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

It\'s true. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

EXIT63
01-28-2004, 10:39 AM
911

BigBear
01-28-2004, 10:44 AM
ROFL@all (\"ROFL@all\") of you!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

------BigBadBear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

CJ01
01-28-2004, 02:35 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
A Harley and a dude called Marley

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> got pics of that session? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif