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MadMaxx
12-25-2003, 08:27 AM
If anyone has been
following it, I was whining about my problems with women in my dance group on some other thread. I guess I
accidentally hijacked that thread. I started posting their because there was some dance stuff going on.
I\'m
starting a new thread because I did an interesting experiment tonight that some might be interested in. Someone was
mentioning that different copulin products have different copulins, so that could affect how women react. I made
some big changes tonight, and got some good results and some bad results, but even the bad, which is quite bad in my
opinion, provides some interesting data.
Usually I wear -none, A1, and EW. Today I scrapped the -none except for
a hint of APC, which is very weak to say the least; I kept the EW, I kept the A1, and I added PCC(copulins). First
the bad news; my main target that I am in love with was very cold! I wouldn\'t go so far as to say bitchy, because
she wouldn\'t even talk to me. This is really scary. Also, another woman that has been hitting on me for weeks was
cold and bitchy. Also, very scary. It seems that maybe the different copulins that I added gave both of these women
the message that I started shagging some other woman??? So, they are therefore pissed off with me. That\'s one
theory anyway. If this is the case, does anyone have an idea what would be going on in their head? What I mean is,
would they consciously be thinking, \"the assho!e is shagging some new woman.\", or would they maybe not really be
conscious of why they are pissed with me? As for dancing, they were both able to dance a little better with me,
maybe because of the lack of -none, but this hardly makes me happy now that they both very cold toward me.
One
more bad result. A woman who has been seeming to not like dancing with me for some time actually did something VERY
unusual tonight. She actually purposely skipped me in the rotation in my dance lesson. Nobody EVER does this, not
ever. That freaked me out. I thought she would be better today, since I dropped the -none. So, she hates the new
cops; I don\'t know??? Her behavior is really weird because with the exception of the 2 women who like me being
very pissed with me and cold, everything else went quite good.
Basically, there is a whole herd of women that I
see regularly and dance with regularly. Some days some are okay, and some days the same ones are not okay with me.
By okay, I mean some days they seem to want to avoid me and some days they are okay to dance with me. Also, some
days they can physically dance with me and some days they can\'t. The good news is that a very large number of
these women, maybe all of them actually, could probably dance better with me and seems very happy to be dancing with
me. I think I may have to leave the -none at home from now on!
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However, I would especially like to hear theories on the
different copulins and the whole deal with the women who supposedly have interest in me. Do you think I have
permanently blown it? I am planning to NOT use the PCC again in their presence. It should be interesting to see
whether they \"come back\". However, if I am stopping the -none, that will still be a difference in my
\"signature\" which could be an issue with them too.
I think you think too
much!!! No offence!!! I also wonder why a guy would want to smell like pussy. I mean do you really think smelling
like pussy is going to attract a woman to you? Maybe if she\'s bi. The premise doesn\'t make much sense to me.
Do a search in the Women\'s Forum. There is a thread there about men using them. The general consensus was that it
was a BAD idea.
Holmes
12-25-2003, 09:24 AM
There\'s more than
one thread on that subject.
I agree that it might not be the best idea, especially in the setting you\'ve
described.
Holmes
MadMaxx
12-25-2003, 09:48 AM
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There\'s more than one thread on that
subject.
I agree that it might not be the best idea, especially in the setting you\'ve
described.
Holmes
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My post was not
about whether it is good or bad to use them. I have been using them for a year or two, and I don\'t have a problem
getting women. What\'s all this bull about consensus? How many of those armchair philosophers have done extensive
testing with them? I don\'t feel that they are a bad idea, per se. My last post was about a possible problem
related to switching copulin types, not about using them in general, in case you missed it.
Both of you
last two posters obviously missed a lot yourselves with regards to what might be useful about copulins, but I
don\'t have the time, energy, or inclination to attempt to enlighten you. Sorry.
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First the bad news; my main target that I am in love with was very cold! I
wouldn\'t go so far as to say bitchy, because she wouldn\'t even talk to me. This is really scary. Also, another
woman that has been hitting on me for weeks was cold and bitchy. Also, very scary. It seems that maybe the different
copulins that I added gave both of these women the message that I started shagging some other woman??? So, they are
therefore pissed off with me. That\'s one theory anyway. If this is the case, does anyone have an idea what would
be going on in their head? What I mean is, would they consciously be thinking, \"the assho!e is shagging some new
woman.\", or would they maybe not really be conscious of why they are pissed with me? As for dancing, they were
both able to dance a little better with me, maybe because of the lack of -none, but this hardly makes me happy now
that they both very cold toward me.
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After using copulins for
\" a year or two \" it doesn\'t look like things are going all that well for you but with all that experience
maybe you would be the best one to answer your own question.
Holmes
12-25-2003, 11:08 AM
Maxx,
I\'ve done
a lot of experimenting with PCC and I am well aware of all thoughts (and theories) as to why copulins might be a
useful adjunct to guys\' main arsenals. Which is kind of why I gave them a shot in the first place.
My reason
for saying they might not be a great idea in certain situations was based on my own \"field work.\"
Personal experience, in other words.
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What I mean
is, would they consciously be thinking, \"the assho!e is shagging some new woman.\", or would they maybe not
really be conscious of why they are pissed with me?
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Either one, or
a combination of both. They might be aware on an unconscious level that something\'s \"up,\" which may, in turn,
be throwing everything else off.
BTW, PCC and EW together? Holy mackerel...
Best of luck with
your continued experiments. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Holmes
Friendly1
12-25-2003, 05:38 PM
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Basically, there is a whole herd of women that I
see regularly and dance with regularly. Some days some are okay, and some days the same ones are not okay with me.
By okay, I mean some days they seem to want to avoid me and some days they are okay to dance with me. Also, some
days they can physically dance with me and some days they can\'t. The good news is that a very large number of
these women, maybe all of them actually, could probably dance better with me and seems very happy to be dancing with
me. I think I may have to leave the -none at home from now on.
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You
should go back and reread your report VERY carefully. What you\'re saying is, \"With Androstenone, I get a fair
amount of interest from women. Substituting Copulins for the Androstenone, I get treated like crap and far LESS
interest from women. Therefore, I am going to stop wearing the Androstenone and just rely on the Copulins.\"
If
it were me, I\'d stick with the Androstenone.
But (and please don\'t get offended by my asking this) do you
bathe, wear deoderant, and dress nice before each class? That makes a big difference. I know some of the guys on
this forum talk about going 2-3 days without bathing. I can\'t imagine why, but if they don\'t live in North
America, I suppose that bathing daily doesn\'t matter. Here it makes a BIG difference.
Elana
12-25-2003, 05:53 PM
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MadMaxx
12-25-2003, 07:58 PM
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Basically, there is a whole herd of women that I see regularly and dance with
regularly. Some days some are okay, and some days the same ones are not okay with me. By okay, I mean some days they
seem to want to avoid me and some days they are okay to dance with me. Also, some days they can physically dance
with me and some days they can\'t. The good news is that a very large number of these women, maybe all of them
actually, could probably dance better with me and seems very happy to be dancing with me. I think I may have to
leave the -none at home from now on.
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You should go back and reread
your report VERY carefully. What you\'re saying is, \"With Androstenone, I get a fair amount of interest from
women. Substituting Copulins for the Androstenone, I get treated like crap and far LESS interest from women.
Therefore, I am going to stop wearing the Androstenone and just rely on the Copulins.\"
If it were me, I\'d
stick with the Androstenone.
But (and please don\'t get offended by my asking this) do you bathe, wear
deoderant, and dress nice before each class? That makes a big difference. I know some of the guys on this forum
talk about going 2-3 days without bathing. I can\'t imagine why, but if they don\'t live in North America, I
suppose that bathing daily doesn\'t matter. Here it makes a BIG difference.
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First off, I am not offended. No problem in the bathing, dressing, style....etc. department. I
also can\'t fathom the guys who are talking about not bathing for days, but then again I had a roomate or two like
that that were not a problem, so go figure.
As for your other comments, I think you are the one that needs to
read VERY carefully. Part of it you got totally backwards, and the rest.....? Things got BETTER when I left the
-none at home. Also, I never \"substituted\" anything. I was using cops all along, with the -none, and then
without -none. Also, it isn\'t fair(or accurate) at all to say I got treated like \"crap\". I mentioned that
things went better with a whole herd of women. The only negative crappy thing was that MAYBE two women who are
supposedly interested in me were cold. Who knows with women though. There could be reasons(if you want to call them
that) outside of what messages the MAY be getting from my scent.
MadMaxx
12-25-2003, 08:10 PM
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also wonder why a guy would want to smell like pussy. I mean do you really
think smelling like pussy is going to attract a woman to you? Maybe if she\'s bi. The premise doesn\'t make much
sense to me.
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Seriously.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif It\'s such a ridiculous theory. Men...do yourself a favor and
smell like men. That\'s why we love you.
Stick with the none.
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A valid opinion that I have heard many times, and am going to think about. There are a few
reasons why I use copulins and I will tell you one of them. Correct me if I am wrong, but I suspect that a lot you
have no idea what it is like to be in the shoes or skin of certain people, such as the guy who is the lone wolf
type. When you are already the lone wolf type -none exacerbates the problem tenfold. Copulins was the thing that I
discovered that worked amazingly well to make women feel comfortable with me. It even works far better than any -nol
or combination products for me. There are other problems with -nol products for me also; the -nol quickly breaks
down into -none, which means I then have a -none OD on my hands, which is not good for my state personally, and
certainly not good for the human relations department.
So, I will concede the using copulins can be a dangerous
game, BUT doing so is NOT without positive benefits. As the Friendly1 failed to notice in my long post, I have
successfully gotten women, and gotten and kept girlfriends, though using copulins.
MadMaxx
12-25-2003, 08:15 PM
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Maxx,
I\'ve done a lot of experimenting with
PCC and I am well aware of all thoughts (and theories) as to why copulins might be a useful adjunct to guys\' main
arsenals. Which is kind of why I gave them a shot in the first place.
My reason for saying they might not
be a great idea in certain situations was based on my own \"field work.\" Personal experience, in other
words.
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What I mean is, would they consciously be
thinking, \"the assho!e is shagging some new woman.\", or would they maybe not really be conscious of why they are
pissed with me?
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Either one, or a combination of both. They might be
aware on an unconscious level that something\'s \"up,\" which may, in turn, be throwing everything else
off.
BTW, PCC and EW together? Holy mackerel...
Best of luck with your continued experiments.
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Holmes
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Thanks Holmes. I see your point in retrospect. The way I see it, the cops are maybe okay if I
just want to make all the women comfortable, but if I am wanting to \"get\" certain women in my circle for
example, it could be a dangerous game. It could indeed backfire when it comes to a woman who is actually interested
in me.
MadMaxx
12-25-2003, 11:10 PM
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Either one, or a combination of both. They might be
aware on an unconscious level that something\'s \"up,\" which may, in turn, be throwing everything else
off.
BTW, PCC and EW together? Holy mackerel...
Best of luck with your continued experiments.
Holmes
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PCC and EW together? Why not?
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Live life on the edge, eh? Test the limits.
If you think about
it, it\'s not worse than these guys who go out with 4-5 drops or sprays of heavy -none product, plus this, plus
that.....I just about sh!t and fall off my chair when I read some of those posts.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I think we\'ve all got a few screws loose....
I think I\'ve posted
about this b4, but I had quite a negative experience with copulins.
I was trying them out, and it did seem that
wearing them sometimes helped in initial encounters. The hypothesis there is that the woman smelled \"another
woman\" on me, therefore I was seen as a desirable man.
The problem came when I started dating one particular
gal, and kept wearing the cops. We got very close very quickly, and then she suddenly dropped me with no
discussion.
A half year later, we ran into each other and met a couple of times for tea, and I told her \"I have
a theory as to why you broke up with me.\", and I then told her I had been experimenting and explained to her what
copulins were.
She said \"Wow, I did have the idea you were cheating on me. I couldn\'t put my finger on it,
but it always seemed as if you had been with another woman.\"
I explained that I hadn\'t been cheating on her
really, and we ended up getting back together.
But the morals of the story are:
- Copulins may make some
women more interested in you.
- Copulins may make other women LESS interested in you (because they get the idea
you\'re a player).
- Copulins are probably a VERY BAD idea for men in a steady relationship.
Friendly1
12-26-2003, 05:01 PM
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I think you are the one that needs to read VERY
carefully....
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Well, you wrote:
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Usually I wear -none, A1, and EW. Today I scrapped the -none except for a
hint of APC, which is very weak to say the least; I kept the EW, I kept the A1, and I added PCC(copulins). First the
bad news; my main target that I am in love with was very cold! I wouldn\'t go so far as to say bitchy, because she
wouldn\'t even talk to me. This is really scary. Also, another woman that has been hitting on me for weeks was
cold and bitchy. Also, very scary....
One more bad result. A woman who has been seeming to not like dancing with
me for some time actually did something VERY unusual tonight. She actually purposely skipped me in the rotation in
my dance lesson. Nobody EVER does this, not ever....
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When you use
words like \"bitchy\" and \"scary\", and talk about being skipped in the rotation, it sounds to me like you got
treated like crap. Maybe not to you, but that is the way it sounds to me.
And, no, you didn\'t substitute like
I said. You just dropped the Androstenone.
I still say you should drop the Copulins and stick with the
Androstenone. I don\'t use Copulins and I never see behavior like you describe.
MadMaxx
12-26-2003, 11:49 PM
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I think I\'ve posted about this b4, but I had
quite a negative experience with copulins.
I was trying them out, and it did seem that wearing them sometimes
helped in initial encounters. The hypothesis there is that the woman smelled \"another woman\" on me, therefore I
was seen as a desirable man.
The problem came when I started dating one particular gal, and kept wearing the
cops. We got very close very quickly, and then she suddenly dropped me with no discussion.
A half year later, we
ran into each other and met a couple of times for tea, and I told her \"I have a theory as to why you broke up with
me.\", and I then told her I had been experimenting and explained to her what copulins were.
She said \"Wow, I
did have the idea you were cheating on me. I couldn\'t put my finger on it, but it always seemed as if you had
been with another woman.\"
I explained that I hadn\'t been cheating on her really, and we ended up getting
back together.
But the morals of the story are:
- Copulins may make some women more interested in you.
-
Copulins may make other women LESS interested in you (because they get the idea you\'re a player).
- Copulins
are probably a VERY BAD idea for men in a steady relationship.
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class=\"post\">
Fair enough general conclusions I guess. I did happen to go through a steady relationship and
continue to use them. As for as I know, I didn\'t have anything to do with our break up, although you never know I
guess. However, I honestly don\'t think it had anything to do with the break up. From stories I have heard though,
I can imagine that using them would be dangerous in a relationship. In my case, I told my girlfriend I was an
amateur perfumer, and thats why I had all these vials of weird sh!t, and she was aware that one of them smelled like
\"woman\". She had an amazing nose and she actually figured it smelled something like women\'s urine, even
though I did not give her any hint as to what it was.
DrSmellThis
12-27-2003, 09:04 AM
I\'ve found it
fairly reliable that cops are well used with bi-women, but it\'s like rolling the dice otherwise.
\"Do you
want to smell like a woman today?\"
DZorro
12-27-2003, 10:28 AM
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I\'ve found it fairly reliable that cops are well
used with bi-women, but it\'s like rolling the dice otherwise.
\"Do you want to smell like a woman today?\"
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Maybe what he is trying to do, is turning those bi-woman
straight again /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
DZorro,
TSgirl
12-27-2003, 05:32 PM
Have you considered
that these two women might be seeing you pay alot of attention not only to them, but to the others as well. That is
likely to bring about a negative response. I mean, if you are supposedly in love with the one, then why do you want
the other to come around again???
MadMaxx
12-27-2003, 08:29 PM
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Have you considered that these two women might be
seeing you pay alot of attention not only to them, but to the others as well. That is likely to bring about a
negative response. I mean, if you are supposedly in love with the one, then why do you want the other to come
around again???
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My head is starting to spin here. I thought it was
supposed to be a good idea to pay attention to women other than the one you want, in order to make her jealous or at
least sit up and realize that if she plays too hard to get she\'s going to lose her opportunity, because there are
other women waiting in line. I have never done this before in my life, but I have started to experiement with it,
and it seems that it can work. It seems to me that it works more than it doesn\'t work; meaning, there may be
cases where the woman decides to shut you out because she thinks you are just after everyone and anyone, but I find
that if it is done \"wisely\" is seems to have positive benefits. When I say \"wisely\", I think what I mean is
that you can\'t go crawling all over all kinds of women and trying to pick them up or whatever. I don\'t have
anything ontoward going on. It\'s just friendly casual talking with other women, dancing with them(which
doesn\'t mean much in a social dance circle), and in some cases a hug here and there, because some of us just kind
of have that \"custom\" between us. I should also mention that I don\'t \"actively\" go after any of the
women, besides the one that I really want. The few others are basically coming after me; they are initiating, and I
basically \"receive\" without going so far as to give them anything that would indicate clearly to them whether I
am interested, or whether they are going to get anywhere with me. Wow, I just had a brilliant idea....maybe that is
how the woman I want is playing with me too....maybe she is being \"open\" but not pro-active, and if I want her
badly enough, maybe I have to really jump in with both feet.
Anyway, back to the topic, the passive and friendly
dealings that I have with various women, I think should be an advantage rather than a disadvantage.
Anyone got
any thoughts on the subject?
MadMaxx
12-27-2003, 08:41 PM
I don\'t even know
where this next story belongs, but I am just putting it here for the hell of it. I am not sure whether the point is
women\'s behavior in general, or the effect of pheros on women. I\'ve known a woman from my dance lesson for
months, and for quite a while it seemed like there could be something between us. We certainly enjoyed dancing
together all the time. Then, a month or two ago things got weird and she no longer enjoyed dancing with me at; would
even refuse the odd time. Thus, we don\'t even speak any more; no hello, no goodbye, nothing. I don\'t bother
asking her to dance anymore since she refused me a week ago. Friday night, she is leaving the club and she comes by
to say goodbye to me, touches my arm and takes my hand for a brief moment as part of the \"goodbye\". In my mind I
am like, \"what is this?\" If it has anything to do with pheros, all I can say is that I reduced the -none even
more this week; just some APC, which is weaker than hell, as far as I know. Still had the A1 and a tiny amount of
EW.
Any thoughts, wise people? It may not sound like a \"big deal\"; I know it\'s not a massive hit or
something,
but at the same time it is significantly \"out of character\" or outside of her normal behavior.
SwingerMD
12-27-2003, 10:09 PM
MadMaxx,
From the
sound of it, my best guess is that there is something else going on that you don\'t know about. I\'ve had at
least a handhandfull of follows or women that were at very affectionate/flirty/playful suddenly turn icey all of a
sudden. I all of these cases I found out later that they had boyfriends or had just gotten a boyfriend
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif .
One of my fav people to dance with suddenly started acting
weird when I danced with her when I had SOE on. Everyone around us were in a very easy going/jokey mood while I
felt the dance connection with this person slipping, her avoiding eye contact with me (very unusual for her), and
then she pratically ran away from me after that one dance. Another person that was extremely forward when I had my
SMD#1 combo on (hell she pratically said that she wanted to \"do it\" with me
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif ). Two months later when I finally asked her out she told me that
she now has a boyfriend. She still went to the concert with me. Just to see what would happen I wore the same
amount of SMD#1 again. It was pure hell /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif . I sat through the
entire concert listening to reassure herself again, and again, and . . . that her boyfriend loves her
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif . And a third one, I could tell whenever she and her boyfriend
got into a fight. The next day she would pop up during my shift and \"hint\" that she wanted to go out with me.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Thanks to all of those experiences, I usually backpeddle as
fast as I can when I find out that someone that I\'m interested in has a boyfriend. So far, it really hasn\'t
been worth all the trouble.
--------------------
<font color=\"blue\"> -SwingerMD </font>
Numanoid
12-28-2003, 12:07 AM
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Another person that was extremely forward when I had
my SMD#1 combo on (hell she pratically said that she wanted to \"do it\" with me ). Two months later when I
finally asked her out she told me that she now has a boyfriend.
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Two months later? Could it be you waited a little too long?
Friendly1
12-28-2003, 04:01 AM
You know,
boyfriends are often just temporary arm candy for the girls. They do fall in love with their boyfriends on
occasion, but they also usually keep their eyes (and their hearts) open for something better.
For most girls, a
boyfriend is either potential husband material or something convenient to fill the time until the next potential
husband comes along. Sooner or later, most boyfriends screw up enough and get dumped.
I\'ve seen a lot of guys
on this forum talk about backing off if a girl has a boyfriend. You need to be more competitive. If she has a
boyfriend and STILL has interest in you, let HER make the decision. She is not his property (any more than she will
become your property if she chooses to make you her boyfriend).
Elana
12-28-2003, 05:23 AM
Friendly1- I bet you
get cheated on all of the time. Karma /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Elana
12-28-2003, 05:29 AM
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I thought it was supposed to be a good idea to pay
attention to women other than the one you want, in order to make her jealous or at least sit up and realize that if
she plays too hard to get she\'s going to lose her opportunity,
because there are other women waiting in line.
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Maybe some women would put up with that. Secure women would look
right through you and your ridiculous behavior.
DrSmellThis
12-28-2003, 05:20 PM
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I thought it was supposed to be a good idea to pay attention to women other
than the one you want, in order to make her jealous or at least sit up and realize that if she plays too hard to get
she\'s going to lose her opportunity,
because there are other women waiting in line.
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Maybe some women would put up with that. Secure women would look right
through you and your ridiculous behavior.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">There are male
perspectives, and female perspectives. Like men, women are often unaware or in denial of what they do and why. Just
last week I went out with a pretty, secure woman who told me she at first thought I was more interested in her (to
me, less attractive) sister (just a calculated act /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif). Whether there
was a connection between events, I don\'t know. The act didn\'t hurt anything, to be sure, as I continued being
friendly to the sister. In any case, it is important at first for a guy to \"be\" (or act) equally interested in
all parties in a given social circle, or else many women there will \"see right through your ridiculous behavior\"
of just being interested in the one you\'re attracted to! This behavior too \"deserves condemnation\" per
certain, more judicial genders. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif So just do what works, I
recommend, and damn the torpedos.
DrSmellThis
12-28-2003, 05:33 PM
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You know, boyfriends are often just temporary arm
candy for the girls. They do fall in love with their boyfriends on occasion, but they also usually keep their eyes
(and their hearts) open for something better.
For most girls, a boyfriend is either potential husband
material or something convenient to fill the time until the next potential husband comes along. Sooner or later,
most boyfriends screw up enough and get dumped.
I\'ve seen a lot of guys on this forum talk about backing
off if a girl has a boyfriend. You need to be more competitive. If she has a boyfriend and STILL has interest in
you, let HER make the decision. She is not his property (any more than she will become your property if she chooses
to make you her boyfriend).
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I pretty much agree. Attractive
young women virtually always have somebody they are seeing, so you can\'t be totally passive. They know men
are hunters, and they can be responsible for resisting whatever temptation you throw their way; or better yet, for
communicating the nature of their current attachment. Of course, the more you happen to know about the type of
relationship they have, the better. If they\'re engaged, back off. Otherwise, what is more practical to do depends
on the situation. Often women can be challenged to \"dump\" their current side of beef.
By the same token,
you can\'t put all your eggs in one basket when a pretty young woman starts to see you, as it may be all over
tomorrow, or even later this afternoon. Fickle ain\'t no river in Egypt.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif So pound it out fast and furious while you have the chance, and
keep your eyes open! Dating survivors try to avoid the temptation to commit much of anything at first.
Those
who pretend to speak for another\'s Karma, not having walked in their shoes, may not understand their own.
Elana
12-28-2003, 05:47 PM
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by belgareth
SwingerMD
12-28-2003, 05:48 PM
I agree with you as
well. You can\'t be passive, but you have to be very careful too. Getting the girl in these situations require a
lot of skill as well as luck.
Ending up on the boyfriend\'s threat radar isn\'t very pleasent. Not cheap
when it came to cell phone bills as well.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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<font color=\"blue\"> -SwingerMD
</font>
Pancho1188
12-28-2003, 05:58 PM
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Fickle ain\'t no river in Egypt.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
1955 Biff: Why
don\'t you make like a tree and get out of here...
2015 Biff: Leave!!! It\'s, \"Make like a tree and
leave!\" You sound stupid when you say it wrong!!!
DrSmellThis
12-28-2003, 06:12 PM
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I forgot who I was talking too. You are right guys.
You are all a bunch of studs and have all the secrets to getting women. Carry on with your brilliant theories that
seem to work so well. Don\'t forget the extra 10 drops of EW. You should even try wearing a dress. That would
probably really get the women wet. I really do need to write that book.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">No, si vous plais, heterosexual women have all the secrets to picking up heterosexual women,
they\'ve done it so much! And on the other hand, when they themselves have been picked up, they\'ve always been
so aware of, and in control of all their faculties and biological functions, and analyzed them so well! Thank you,
too, for recognizing that most of the the fine, enterprising men here are definitely more sexually successful than
average, even if not by certain women\'s own standards. You men are sissies who\'ve tried EW and had the
occasional hit! I know what being a real man is, after all, from what idiosyncratic women tell me when they are
grumpy and feeling angry at men. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Elana
12-28-2003, 06:15 PM
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Thank you, too, for recognizing that most of the
the fine, enterprising men here are definitely more sexually successful than average,
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\"> You don\'t really believe that now, do you? It sounded nice, but come on now.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
DrSmellThis
12-28-2003, 06:26 PM
Those here I know
personally are, by a long shot. It\'s not my place to name names. How many partners do you think the average man
gets in a lifetime, or by his 30\'s?
Elana
12-28-2003, 06:35 PM
Yes, I agree that there
are several guys who do very well with the ladies. One of the biggest studs is probably one of the youngest guys
here....BUT some of these guys that come on the forum quoting crap out of these manuals, come off as tools. It\'s
such a joke. There is no way that intelligent women can\'t see through their games. Now I am not saying that there
isn\'t \"game\" involved in dating. It goes both ways, but when a guy comes on this forum and starts telling the
other guys die hard rules on how to pick up women and what women want and how they will respond to this or that, it
is a joke. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Thank you,
too, for recognizing that most of the the fine, enterprising men here are definitely more sexually successful than
average,
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> You don\'t really believe that now, do you? It sounded
nice, but come on now. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Sorry Doc. I don\'t believe it either. In fact I believe just the opposite. Most of the guys
on this Forum aren\'t getting any at all. They couldn\'t get any without the use of mones and that\'s what
brought them to this site in the first place. The predominate posts about getting \"hits\" are just about getting
hits and not about getting sex or getting involved in a good relationship. Things may be different for you and some
of the people you know personally but the majority of posts I read are from people that didn\'t know how to close
the sale before they started using mones and they aren\'t any better at it after using mones even though mones
have given them a tremendous edge.
DrSmellThis
12-28-2003, 07:49 PM
Well I hate debating
things that are either facts or they are not, (\"empirical questions\") but I failed at several genuine attempts
to create a poll to test this hypothesis (see list of posts). Maybe someone else can help here.
I haven\'t
seen anyone say they haven\'t \"gotten any\", so you are maybe projecting issues onto people here. I see lots of
people strike out with particular women, but what do you expect? Even Casanova \"failed\" way more than he
\"succeeded.\" I certainly don\'t reveal most of my personal life here, and I assume others don\'t either.
Folks who have girlfriends are not doing a whole lot of graphic blow by blow reporting. The forum attracts
some men and women who are feeling desparate, but frankly, characterizing them mostly as being that way reads
like veiled insecurity. I haven\'t seen women report a lot of current sexual experiences either, even the great
Elana. That doesn\'t mean they aren\'t having them.
For now I will go on believing about phero users as
the research suggests, and respect that many are here because they are on the cutting edge of culture and have an
adventurous, (maybe a little mischievous) scientific spirit to go along with an above average interest in sex.
Elana
12-28-2003, 07:51 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Well I hate debating things that are either facts
or they are not, (\"empirical questions\") but I failed at several genuine attempts to create a poll to test this
hypothesis (see list of posts). Maybe soemone else can help here.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Polls work great on this forum. Just look at the penis size poll. I think we had like 10 guys
that were over 10\" and maybe 2 or 3 that were less than 6\". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
DrSmellThis
12-28-2003, 08:21 PM
Really?! Check the
poll again. From my memory, it came out just about like the general population stats, with average being in the 6\"
range. Maybe folks exaggerated a little, but most I think wanted to be honest so they could find out where they
\"stood.\"
...OK, here is the
post:
www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/sho
wflat.php?Cat=&Board=health&Number=100272&page=0&v iew=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1&vc
=1 (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=health&Number=1002
72&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1&vc=1\")
The unexpected numbers under \"over 12\"\" are called \"outliers\" in statistics, a common
phenomenon, and are often discounted in one way or another. Those are the people who, maybe some of them, were just
fooling around with the poll and gave invalid answers, like the few who said they had most hits with over 25 dabs of
edge.
If you take away the outliers, the rest of the numbers look reasonable to me, just like a bell curve
-- 5\'s, 6\'s, and 7\'s. In fact, the \"mode\" (measurement most often reported) was 5 1/2 inches. So I
don\'t know what you\'re on about.
Our self reporters may have exaggerated by half an inch on the
average, judging by old physician reports (I think they guessed an average 5 1/2\") on the same thing. But who\'s
gonna get maximally erect in a doctor\'s office?
Elana
12-28-2003, 09:08 PM
How about this
poll?
http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showfla
t.php?Cat=&Board=offTopic&Number=87163&page=&view= &sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1 (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=offTopic&Number=87
163&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1\")
Elana
12-28-2003, 09:10 PM
or this
one?
http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?C
at=&Board=health&Number=67913&page=&view=&sb=5&o=& fpart=1&vc=1 (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=health&Number=67913&
;page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1\")
I\'m just going by what
I read Doc. Lots of hits but very, very few scores. You\'re thinking that people are holding back on the dirty
details? As a general rule, guy\'s are notorious for kissing and telling and I would think the anonymity of the
Forum would amplify that and the \"telling\" would be in volumes; if there was anything to tell. You could be
right though, the male Forum members here could be a very refined group and once they find something that works they
drop off never to be heard from again. There is no doubt in my mind that mones work. The problem I see is the people
using them not knowing what to do when they do work.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
For now I will go on believing about phero users as the research suggests, and respect that many are here
because they are on the cutting edge of culture and have an adventurous, (maybe a little mischievous) scientific
spirit to go along with an above average interest in sex.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'ll go along with the adventurous and mischievous part but the \" on the cutting edge of culture\" is a
bit much I think. I mean, I hope that some Forum members aren\'t that. What a scary thought.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
DrSmellThis
12-28-2003, 09:56 PM
We\'re seeing
experimenter effects, most likely.
The first post is flippant in the attitude of the poster. This pollster
clearly communicates he doesn\'t believe in penis polls, that he devotes his forum life to being a human shrine to
a \"famous huge penis enthusiast\", and that he wants people to answer differently than they did before, which
wasn\'t good enough for him. So the results are correspondingly more variable or scattered. Typical sloppy poll
design.
I trust the second by cloud 9 even less, as he bragged about his 14 inch cock for some time, and
circulated photos (so I hear, anyway), just before personally posting that poll. So he clearly biased the results in
the positive direction on that one.
None of this was evidence against the validity of polls. It is evidence
that poorly conducted science leads to uninformative, contaminated results.
Still, results came out in the
six 1/2 range. Give it up, Elana. Polls are well respected scientific tools, when used, designed and interpreted
properly.
DrSmellThis
12-28-2003, 10:12 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
\"on the cutting edge of culture\" is a bit much
I think. I mean, I hope that some Forum members aren\'t that. What a scary thought.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
True, I\'d be
scared too, if ghostclown or the guy who couldn\'t wash off his pheros for months were cutting edge.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I\'ve never thought guys were as \"kiss and tell\" as their rap
is, but your opinion is valid, too.
Most guys everywhere are dissatisfied with the amount of sex they\'re
getting. Pheros are not going to change that. With the earth becoming more crowded, I predict, women are going to
want even less sex in the future, on the average, since biology reflects ecology.
MadMaxx
12-28-2003, 10:23 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I\'m just going by what I read Doc. Lots of hits
but very, very few scores. You\'re thinking that people are holding back on the dirty details? As a general rule,
guy\'s are notorious for kissing and telling and I would think the anonymity of the Forum would amplify that and
the \"telling\" would be in volumes; if there was anything to tell. You could be right though, the male Forum
members here could be a very refined group and once they find something that works they drop off never to be heard
from again. There is no doubt in my mind that mones work. The problem I see is the people using them not knowing
what to do when they do work.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
For now I will
go on believing about phero users as the research suggests, and respect that many are here because they are on the
cutting edge of culture and have an adventurous, (maybe a little mischievous) scientific spirit to go along with an
above average interest in sex.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'ll go along
with the adventurous and mischievous part but the \" on the cutting edge of culture\" is a bit much I think. I
mean, I hope that some Forum members aren\'t that. What a scary thought.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Some of you naysayer who are \"against\" Dr. Smell have some sort of valid points, but
for the most part I go along with Dr. Smell. First of all, I know that I am guilty of all kinds of mistakes and
shortcomings when it comes to women, but nonetheless, if you can believe everything you read, the number of women I
have been with by my 30\'s is beyond the average. I also know that along with my failures to \"close\" with
women that I have wanted, is an even greater number of deals that I did not \"close\" because the woman was not
simply not sexually attractive enough for me, which is something that I have pretty high standards about. I will be
in a pub with a friend and he will point out 5 women that he slept with, and for me, I couldn\'t have possibly
gotten it up for any of them.
Finally, as for the lack of details that are seen on the forum, you cannot
base any conclusions from it. I have been on the forum for almost a couple of years, and during that time I have
gotten women, and had a couple of steady girlfriends. For one reason or another, I did not think it was a priority
to share the stories with all of you. And for the naysayers in a certain camp, I will add that all of it was pulled
off \"despite\" the fact that I use copulins; and don\'t forget, I\'ve turned down a few too, \"despite\"
the fact that I use copulins, which most people here seem to thing is incredibly stupid. Of course you might be
right, maybe I should stop using them and my success will really skyrocket.
This is a link that
Macky posted with the poll Doc referenced.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
Ansell, makers of LifeStyles Condoms, has conducted research into average penis size. The survey found that the
average length of the erect penis is 5.877 inches (14.928cm), with the majority ranging between the small 5.5 inch
penis size (14cm) and the large 6.3 inch penises (16cm).
The average girth is 4.972 inches (12.63cm), with the
majority ranging between 4.7 inches (12cm) and 5.1 inches (13cm). This indicates that the difference between small
penis size and large is not very big.
From March 11 to 17, 2001 a total 401 males over the age of 18 were
measured, one at a time, by qualified medical staff (protected by Ansell Medi-Touch gloves) in private tents at the
Dady Rock nightclub in Cancun, Mexico. Of the 401 men, 300 were able to gain an erection for measurement - a success
rate of only 75%.
The LifeStyles Condoms Average Penis Size Survey was designed to create a better condom, to
ensure that they are sized properly, comfortable and won\'t slip.Are you interested in the different size condoms
available?
Sample Size
401 male voluteers of which, only 300 were \"effective\" male volunteers (75%),
as 101 male volunteers (25%) could not gain an erection for measurement. At 300 effective measurements, this study
is twice the size of any previous study that uses medical staff to measure penis size. This method is more accurate
and reliable than studies where volunteers undertake self-measurement / reporting.
Erect Penis Length
The
average erect penis length was 5.877 inches (14.928cm).
Standard deviation was 0.825 inches (2.096cm) with 54% of
the effective sample measuring between 5.5 inches (14cm) and 6.3 inches (16cm).
Erect Penis Girth
The
average erect penis girth was 4.972 inches (12.63cm).
Standard deviation was 0.508 inches (1.29cm) or with 53.33%
of the effective sample measuring between 4.725 inches (12cm) and 5.118 inches (13cm).
Conclusion
It is
fair to say that in all cases, where medical staff has measured erect penis size, the average length has been below
6 inches and in every case where the surveys rely on self-measurement and voluntary reporting the average leaps over
six inches. Interestingly average girth remains around 5 inches in all surveys.
Using the figure of 5.877 inches
from the LifeStyles Condoms Average Penis Size Survey it appears that men on average exaggerate their penis length
by a quarter to a half an inch when they are permitted to measure and report their own size.
The results do show
that the difference between small penises, average penis size and large penises is not so great as folklore might
have us believe.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I find their conclusion
interesting.
I don\'t think anybody is \"against\" the Doc, Max. Just a difference of opinion. When it comes
to sex, I think people, men , tend to exaggerate and boast and then talk about it afterward. If there is an
afterward. Your friend in the pub as an example. That\'s what is so telling to me when I read most of the posts
here. The majority are from guys having problems and are responded to by other guys having problems. Again, I think
mones work. I know they work for me. They alter my environment in favor of me. I like that. I can\'t help but
believe that they work the same for others as they work for you (Max) and the Doc and me. (Although I don\'t get
sex very often as I\'m now a very old man). I think the problem is guys not knowing how to work the mones. OR take
advantage of the work the mones are doing for them. I get the feeling that you and Doc wouldn\'t have problems if
mones weren\'t around but most of the guys here have problems with or without mones. But the Doc may be right
about guys not getting enough as opposed to not getting any at all.
As to using cops; I\'m glad they work for
you. I think that\'s the answer. Finding something that alters the environment for you. Even if it\'s just a
small change in your favor. Then stick with it. Don\'t be changing your signature every other day. Give your new
signature a chance to lock into the brain of your target. That\'s what I\'ve been doing. I\'ve been using the
same mix for a couple months now and it\'s really starting to pay off with both young and older women. I\'ll
tweak it on occasion for a special occasion but the base mix stays the same. I think there\'s a comfort level that
people begin to feel with you when your signature remains semi-constant. A security in being around something
familiar and attractive at the same time.
Elana
12-29-2003, 04:37 AM
Drsmellthis...I find it
amusing how you try to dismiss the links that I posted to the polls.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Ironic how you accept the poll from Phantom as valid.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Still, results came out in the six 1/2 range. Give
it up, Elana. Polls are well respected scientific tools, when used, designed and interpreted properly.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I never doubted polls in general. I doubted the ones on this
forum.
I think that you are the one that needs to give it up.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Just for the record, I am very aware of the fact that you
do very well with the women. I know several men here do well too. I also believe what Ash said about men being
braggers. They are so quick to write a 3 paragraph report about the girl that smiled at them. I have a feeling that
if that same guy got some, he would be writing a book about it.
Holmes
12-29-2003, 08:03 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
With the earth becoming more crowded, I predict,
women are going to want even less sex in the future, on the average, since biology reflects ecology.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Stop it, Doc! You\'re bummin\' me out. (Which is to say yeah, good
point.) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Holmes
MadMaxx
12-29-2003, 08:22 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Drsmellthis...I find it amusing how you try to
dismiss the links that I posted to the polls. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Still, results came out in the six 1/2 range. Give
it up, Elana. Polls are well respected scientific tools, when used, designed and interpreted properly.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I never doubted polls in general. I doubted the ones on this forum.
I
think that you are the one that needs to give it up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Just for
the record, I am very aware of the fact that you do very well with the women. I know several men here do well too. I
also believe what Ash said about men being braggers. They are so quick to write a 3 paragraph report about the girl
that smiled at them. I have a feeling that if that same guy got some, he would be writing a book about it.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Actually, I disagree with you(surprise). I do write 3 paragraph
reports when a woman smiles at me, but when we do some good shagging, I don\'t ever bother to logon to the forum
and tell you about it. Why? I don\'t know. Maybe because there is no mystery and nothing that I am trying to
understand. What happened becomes pretty obvious. How interested the woman was is pretty obvious. OR, maybe I\'m
just too busy having too much sex in such a case, and the last thing on my mind is telling you about it.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
franki
12-29-2003, 08:27 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
They are so quick to write a 3 paragraph report about the girl that
smiled at them. I have a feeling that if that same guy got some, he would be writing a book about it.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Maybe this goes for a few of the posters here, but I think most of
the posters would keep quiet about having sex etc. It certainly might be a good idea to not tell too much, cause you
never know who is reading it.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Elana
12-29-2003, 08:28 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
OR, maybe I\'m just too busy having too much sex
in such a case, and the last thing on my mind is telling you about it.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
OK
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Pancho1188
12-29-2003, 09:42 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
It certainly might be a good idea to not tell too
much, cause you never know who is reading it.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yeah, I\'ll never forget the one time I happened to have sex with Elana
and didn\'t know that she was THE Elana at the time. Good thing I didn\'t let that information slip...I
fortunately made the connection when I realized she was the world\'s most perfect woman. Otherwise, I would\'ve
spilled it all over the forum ***simile deleted, but you can just imagine***...
PS: This didn\'t really
happen, but if it did happen, you could be sure I wouldn\'t be talking about it on the forum...
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
CptKipling
12-29-2003, 09:48 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
As a general rule, guy\'s are notorious for
kissing and telling and I would think the anonymity of the Forum would amplify that and the \"telling\" would be
in volumes; if there was anything to tell.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Not quite.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Maybe this goes for a few of the posters here, but
I think most of the posters would keep quiet about having sex etc. It certainly might be a good idea to not tell too
much, cause you never know who is reading it..
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Something to
think about perhaps /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Personally, I think it\'s nice to post \"little\" hits now
and again, and I do on the rare occasions that I muster the impetus. I find it interesting to read other peoples
stories, so it\'s only fair that I post some aswell.
However, if someone were to look back at all my posts, I
doubt that they would find much of anything in the way of \"lewd\" posts. Amongst my friends I am know as being
notoriously tight lipped about my sexual exploits, as many of them are with girlfriends, and those that
aren\'t...well I don\'t think it\'s any of their business. I do have in depth \"heart to hearts\" with one
or two of my friends, but in general I don\'t kiss and tell out of respect for peoples privacy (and their pride
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ).
Back to the earlier topic of discussion...
This all comes
back to the idea of \"social proof\", does it not? There was a very interesting thread about this a while back
Copulin Thread (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB5&Number=80570&Forum=UB B
5&Words=social%20proof&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searc hpage=1&Limit=25&Old=1year&Main=80295&
Search=true#Post80570\")
Whitehall wrote:
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Say what you will, ladies, but it sure is obvious to men that having a woman
or women clinging to you in public is the best way to get attention and respect from other women. A lone wolf has a
more difficult task in arousing women\'s attention because the man lacks that social validation. Likewise the
guy who is acting wussy and submissive to the woman he\'s with. Women are especially prone to social
validation - who of you wants to wear unfashionable shoes?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
In
some situations that has a lot of truth to it. I italicised that sentence because I see this happening with people I
know all the time, and is much more obvious when it happens. However, it only happens with some women.
I think
Social Proof is much more a subtle dance than has been previously implied. Social proof will not get you laid. It
will, however, get some women’s subconscious ticking over, thinking that maybe this guy has something special. We
also notice that many women can be very competitive; again, not all women, but a reasonable chunk of the population.
It’s all about climbing the social ladder, the ultimate aim being to mix gametes with the best genes possible. So
when some women see a man socialising (obviously the type of socialisation is important) with other women, they
assume that he is a worthy mate…or at least that’s how the theory goes. I think a more important aspect has been
left out though, if a man is seen having fun with women, and they find him interesting and feel secure around him,
it means that other women seeing this can be that little bit more confident that he is good company and not a
threat.
But anyway, if you haven’t already, read the link I posted.
Elana
12-29-2003, 09:57 AM
Pancho...didn\'t you
know it was me when you smelled the PCC?
Cpt...nobody ever had any doubts about you.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
You guys should know that many men on this forum agree with
what Ash said. Most of the guys that I talk with by PM or email agree him. They are just not speaking out on this
thread. I aint scared. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
franki
12-29-2003, 10:04 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
They are just not speaking out on this thread.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I am not
scared... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I thought Ash was just stating the obvious.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
franki
12-29-2003, 10:07 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
It certainly
might be a good idea to not tell too much, cause you never know who is reading it..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yeah, I\'ll
never forget the one time I happened to have sex with Elana and didn\'t know that she was THE Elana at the time.
Good thing I didn\'t let that information slip...I fortunately made the connection when I realized she was the
world\'s most perfect woman. Otherwise, I would\'ve spilled it all over the forum ***simile deleted, but you
can just imagine***...
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You can make fun of what I said, but
these things can happen... I remember DrSmelly saying in a PM to me that a girl who he was dating was reading the
forum.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Elana
12-29-2003, 10:10 AM
Franki...\"ain\'t\"
is in the dictionary. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Pancho1188
12-29-2003, 10:18 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Pancho...didn\'t you know it was me when you
smelled the PCC?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I wouldn\'t know...all coherent brain function
ceased by that period...It all went downhill either when I smelled those or when I saw you for the first time...but
since light travels faster than scent, I\'d say it was seeing you when my brain short-circuited...
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Pancho1188
12-29-2003, 10:20 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
It certainly
might be a good idea to not tell too much, cause you never know who is reading it..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yeah, I\'ll
never forget the one time I happened to have sex with Elana and didn\'t know that she was THE Elana at the time.
Good thing I didn\'t let that information slip...I fortunately made the connection when I realized she was the
world\'s most perfect woman. Otherwise, I would\'ve spilled it all over the forum ***simile deleted, but you
can just imagine***...
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You can make fun of what I said, but
these things can happen... I remember DrSmelly saying in a PM to me that a girl who he was dating was reading the
forum.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
They can, and I bet they do. I wasn\'t making fun of you, I was
just making a joke. My apologies for any offense. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
franki
12-29-2003, 10:21 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
It certainly might be a good idea to not tell too much, cause you never know
who is reading it.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Yeah, I\'ll never forget the one time I happened to have sex with Elana and didn\'t know
that she was THE Elana at the time. Good thing I didn\'t let that information slip...I fortunately made the
connection when I realized she was the world\'s most perfect woman. Otherwise, I would\'ve spilled it all over
the forum ***simile deleted, but you can just imagine***...
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
You can make fun of what I said, but these things can happen... I remember DrSmelly saying in a
PM to me that a girl who he was dating was reading the forum.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
They can, and I
bet they do. I wasn\'t making fun of you, I was just making a joke. My apologies for any offense.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
No, you
weren\'t making fun of me, you were making fun of what I said.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Pancho1188
12-29-2003, 10:38 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
It certainly might be a good idea to not tell too much, cause you never know
who is reading it.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Yeah, I\'ll never forget the one time I happened to have sex with Elana and didn\'t know
that she was THE Elana at the time. Good thing I didn\'t let that information slip...I fortunately made the
connection when I realized she was the world\'s most perfect woman. Otherwise, I would\'ve spilled it all over
the forum ***simile deleted, but you can just imagine***...
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
You can make fun of what I said, but these things can happen... I remember DrSmelly saying in a
PM to me that a girl who he was dating was reading the forum.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
They can, and I
bet they do. I wasn\'t making fun of you, I was just making a joke. My apologies for any offense.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
No, you
weren\'t making fun of me, you were making fun of what I said.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Okay, you win...but I didn\'t mean it in a bad way.
George:
We\'re cool. Everything\'s cool. No problem. We\'re good.
Jerry: Just chatting. Very friendly...
franki
12-29-2003, 10:41 AM
Are you George or Jerry?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I thought
it was supposed to be a good idea to pay attention to women other than the one you want, in order to make her
jealous or at least sit up and realize that if she plays too hard to get she\'s going to lose her opportunity,
because there are other women waiting in line.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Maybe some women
would put up with that. Secure women would look right through you and your ridiculous behavior.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Agree with the Queen. I\'d go hit on somebody else.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I don\'t even know where this next story belongs, but I am just putting it
here for the hell of it. I am not sure whether the point is women\'s behavior in general, or the effect of pheros
on women. I\'ve known a woman from my dance lesson for months, and for quite a while it seemed like there could be
something between us. We certainly enjoyed dancing together all the time. Then, a month or two ago things got weird
and she no longer enjoyed dancing with me at; would even refuse the odd time. Thus, we don\'t even speak any more;
no hello, no goodbye, nothing. I don\'t bother asking her to dance anymore since she refused me a week ago. Friday
night, she is leaving the club and she comes by to say goodbye to me, touches my arm and takes my hand for a brief
moment as part of the \"goodbye\". In my mind I am like, \"what is this?\" If it has anything to do with pheros,
all I can say is that I reduced the -none even more this week; just some APC, which is weaker than hell, as far as I
know. Still had the A1 and a tiny amount of EW.
Any thoughts, wise people? It may not sound like a \"big
deal\"; I know it\'s not a massive hit or something,
but at the same time it is significantly \"out of
character\" or outside of her normal behavior.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'d forgo the
EW, if I were you. The poo-say smell on you is likely to be a turn-off to women.
DrSmellThis
12-29-2003, 11:44 AM
Elana, I\'m not
biased one way or the other about polls here. If they\'re good I like \'em.
But why did I pick on the polls
you cited? Give me a break. You voted yourself (a woman with a penis, apparently)in the first one you posted,
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif then bragged about it as results were still rolling in. Then other
women started voting, people were joking and voting randomly, pushing poll buttons just to be funny. That poll
should have been deleted immediately once all the BS started happening with it! I provided standard academic reasons
why I didn\'t like ones I didn\'t like. \"Edge dabs\" was a more than adequate poll for how simple it was, and
provided standard information for how to use Edge. There is no a priori reason polls shouldn\'t work here,
as long as people don\'t sabotage them.
Elana
12-29-2003, 11:51 AM
That is like saying \"I
read a bunch of studies on obesity, but I am only going to take serious the studies that look the most accurate to
what I think they should be.\"
Icarus
12-29-2003, 11:55 AM
It\'s no joke. I
once had to fend off a raging chinchilla.
Elana
12-29-2003, 12:02 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
It\'s no joke. I once had to fend off a raging chinchilla.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
How much EW did you have on?
Pancho1188
12-29-2003, 12:10 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
That is like saying \"I read a bunch of studies on
obesity, but I am only going to take serious the studies that look the most accurate to what I think they should
be.\"
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Ahhh, the double-edged sword... You can\'t take them
seriously because you know some people are lying or joking, but you also can\'t not (double-negative, I know) take
them seriously just because the data isn\'t \"what you expected\" because in a true experiment you can\'t deny
it just because it\'s not what you were \"supposed\" to get... Damned if you do, damned if you
don\'t.
Rely on experiments conducted by researchers instead of \"self-reported\" experiments because
they\'re more accurate and won\'t cause all of this debate.
Maybe people should take a look at why they want
to know this information in the first place on the L-S forum when they have the actual research data (unless you
wanted to see if L-S forum people were bigger than average, but why would you want to have such
information?).............A better poll would be to go on the women\'s forum and ask them what THEY prefer in
terms of size (including an option \"unless you\'re 1 inch or 15 inches, size doesn\'t matter\"). Although
some women may exaggerate on the larger size because that\'s what society has told them feels better and is what
they should want (Self-fulfilling prophecy), they\'re MUCH more likely to be honest than men...and you most likely
won\'t have straight men voting on that poll to screw up the results...
Oh, and better than a self-reported
poll would be to have Elana guess the average based on all of the pictures she has...sure, it\'s hard to guess
size by pictures, but it\'s a helluva lot better than asking men for their \"honest\" opinions...
Elana
12-29-2003, 12:22 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Oh, and better than a self-reported poll would be
to have Elana guess the average based on all of the pictures she has...sure, it\'s hard to guess size by pictures,
but it\'s a helluva lot better than asking men for their \"honest\" opinions...
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Even that would be totally off, because the larger guys are the guys that would be most likely
to want to show off what they have got. They would be the ones most likely to send out their pics.
Pancho1188
12-29-2003, 12:28 PM
Very good point,
Elana... I was under the impression you had EVERY guy\'s picture... My mistake.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Bad assumption.
DrSmellThis
12-29-2003, 12:32 PM
Yes, this is what
scientists, and good consumers of science, do! They think critically and objectively; learn to separate the wheat
from the chaff, and take seriously only those studies that pass scientific muster, in the way they were designed and
carried out. For some reason you seem to be thinking of anti-scientific folk who simply believe what they want to
believe and ignore the rest, regardless of the quality or content of the research. If you want to make a case that I
am somehow doing this go ahead. But the burden of proof is on you. I\'ve made my points.
Personally, I find
the social validation theory much more interesting. I agree that there\'s something to it, especially in the
careful way it was stated here. I do think it can, on certain occasions, work that way with copulins, as I think
I\'ve expereinced it.
Elana
12-29-2003, 12:42 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I do think it can, on certain occasions, work that
way with copulins, as I think I\'ve expereinced it.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
We know
that women have different taste in men. I guess some women would go for that. I would think it would give you a less
than manly aura. Just thinking about it seems less than masculine. I am the type of woman that gets turned on by the
extra dose of none. The more manly the better. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
You have
always done well with the women. Why do you think it was the EW that did the trick?
MadMaxx
12-29-2003, 09:19 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I don\'t even know where this next story belongs, but I am just putting it
here for the hell of it. I am not sure whether the point is women\'s behavior in general, or the effect of pheros
on women. I\'ve known a woman from my dance lesson for months, and for quite a while it seemed like there could be
something between us. We certainly enjoyed dancing together all the time. Then, a month or two ago things got weird
and she no longer enjoyed dancing with me at; would even refuse the odd time. Thus, we don\'t even speak any more;
no hello, no goodbye, nothing. I don\'t bother asking her to dance anymore since she refused me a week ago. Friday
night, she is leaving the club and she comes by to say goodbye to me, touches my arm and takes my hand for a brief
moment as part of the \"goodbye\". In my mind I am like, \"what is this?\" If it has anything to do with pheros,
all I can say is that I reduced the -none even more this week; just some APC, which is weaker than hell, as far as I
know. Still had the A1 and a tiny amount of EW.
Any thoughts, wise people? It may not sound like a \"big
deal\"; I know it\'s not a massive hit or something,
but at the same time it is significantly \"out of
character\" or outside of her normal behavior.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'d forgo the
EW, if I were you. The poo-say smell on you is likely to be a turn-off to women.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Some of you sure are against EW. That\'s fine I guess, but it seems that you do not even
read(or do not comprehend posts) that you reply to. If you read the above, and are capable of thinking rationally,
concluding that EW should be dumped is hardly a valid conclusion. From the above scenario, dump the -none would make
more sense.
MadMaxx
12-29-2003, 09:34 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I do think it can, on certain occasions, work that way with copulins, as I
think I\'ve expereinced it.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
We know that women have
different taste in men. I guess some women would go for that. I would think it would give you a less than manly
aura. Just thinking about it seems less than masculine. I am the type of woman that gets turned on by the extra dose
of none. The more manly the better. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
You have always done
well with the women. Why do you think it was the EW that did the trick?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Elana, I think you are assuming that if a man uses a touch of EW he is walking around all
out reeking of pussy. Like Dr.Smell I have all kinds of experience with social validation. Why, you ask? It is
simple, you just compare life with it and without it. Without it, I am the lone wolf type that women are not
comfortable with(maybe even read me as the sexual predator type); with it, women are very comfortable and love being
around be, like being touchy sometimes, hugging.....
As for manly versus not manly, as I said the EW user is
not walking around reeking like pussy if he is wise(which I am). I am unmistakably masculine, alpha male-like
probably. According to a couple of my female friends that I can discuss these things with, they say I absolutely
exude an overwhelming maleness and sexual aura that probably blows away some women. Thus, the idea is a \"whiff\"
of copulins within a poweful aura of sexy masculinity. Maybe every guy cannot get away with it, because we are all
different; physically, chemically, and personality, BUT for some of us, we do not only \"get away with it\", but
can enhance our sexual aura. The last woman I hooked up with told me that she couldn\'t even be in my close
presence without literally soaking herself......hardly sounds like she mistook me for a piece of pussy, and hardly
sounds like she wasn\'t turned on by me. And no, she is NOT bisexual, so don\'t even bring up that one.
Pancho1188
12-29-2003, 09:41 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
According to a couple of my female friends that I
can discuss these things with, they say I absolutely exude an overwhelming maleness and sexual aura that probably
blows away some women.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Wow. I am blown away by just the very
mention of such a quality.
I\'d say I exude the overwhelming feminine homosexual aura that probably blows away
some men and women. I need to get rid of that... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
MadMaxx
12-30-2003, 12:10 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
According to a couple of my female friends that I can discuss these things
with, they say I absolutely exude an overwhelming maleness and sexual aura that probably blows away some
women.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Wow. I am blown away by just the very mention of such a
quality.
I\'d say I exude the overwhelming feminine homosexual aura that probably blows away some men and
women. I need to get rid of that... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'m glad that you are blown away. I like to impress people.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I think it is actually something that I have refined. I think
it\'s part natural, part phero induced, and partly due to cultivation of a certain attitude and/or certain body
language. I am not trying to be arrogant here, because I have never been so, and generally am not a really
\"confident\" person in that department. When my one friend commented on it, it was semi-unsolicited and it was
the first time I had been told. We are both Western(caucasian) and both do Latin dancing in Asia. I was asking her
opinion on why certian women here have serious problems dancing with me, and behave in strange ways. She practically
laughed, and was like, \"sh!t, you are like, so...MALE/MASCULINE(don\'t remember which), most of the poor girls
have probably never been in the arms of something like you before, what do you expect?\" I was like, oh.
EXIT63
12-30-2003, 04:16 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
most of the poor girls have probably never been in
the arms of something like you before, what do you expect?\"
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Man,
you\'re really bowling them over!
Such incredible manliness must be truly hard to resist. I can\'t imagine
the consequences when they experience you great intellect.
You truly are the total package.
Just
remember...With great power comes great responsibility!
Elana
12-30-2003, 04:27 AM
Post deleted
by belgareth
EXIT63
12-30-2003, 04:36 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I am soaked just reading that post about how great
you are.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You should try sitting on a towel!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
belgareth
12-30-2003, 06:32 AM
There have been a
few discussions about cultural and racial difference in response to pheromones here and JVK has done some writing on
the subject. I know from my own experience that a male wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get good
results. Yet MM seems to be getting results with Asian women while using copulins. Is it posible that the
cultural/racial differences make adding copulins to the mix a good option in those areas? Tom and other asians have
complained of no results wearing conventional men\'s pheromones, maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to
their mix and see if they get the different results.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
According to
a couple of my female friends that I can discuss these things with, they say I absolutely exude an overwhelming
maleness and sexual aura that probably blows away some women.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Wow.
I am blown away by just the very mention of such a quality.
I\'d say I exude the overwhelming feminine
homosexual aura that probably blows away some men and women. I need to get rid of that...
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Actually
Pancho-- you are adorable. If you were in your late forties, I\'d have a piece of you!
MadMaxx
12-31-2003, 02:04 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There have been a few discussions about cultural
and racial difference in response to pheromones here and JVK has done some writing on the subject. I know from my
own experience that a male wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get good results. Yet MM seems to be
getting results with Asian women while using copulins. Is it posible that the cultural/racial differences make
adding copulins to the mix a good option in those areas? Tom and other asians have complained of no results wearing
conventional men\'s pheromones, maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to their mix and see if they get the
different results.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
What happens to men who wear EW in the
Southern U.S?
Women don\'t like it, or, men beat the life out of them?
belgareth
12-31-2003, 02:12 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There have been a few discussions about cultural and racial difference in
response to pheromones here and JVK has done some writing on the subject. I know from my own experience that a male
wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get good results. Yet MM seems to be getting results with Asian women
while using copulins. Is it posible that the cultural/racial differences make adding copulins to the mix a good
option in those areas? Tom and other asians have complained of no results wearing conventional men\'s pheromones,
maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to their mix and see if they get the different results.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
What happens to men who wear EW in the Southern U.S?
Women don\'t like
it, or, men beat the life out of them?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Women don\'t like it.
MadMaxx
12-31-2003, 02:39 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There have
been a few discussions about cultural and racial difference in response to pheromones here and JVK has done some
writing on the subject. I know from my own experience that a male wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get
good results. Yet MM seems to be getting results with Asian women while using copulins. Is it posible that the
cultural/racial differences make adding copulins to the mix a good option in those areas? Tom and other asians have
complained of no results wearing conventional men\'s pheromones, maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to
their mix and see if they get the different results.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
What
happens to men who wear EW in the Southern U.S?
Women don\'t like it, or, men beat the life out of them?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Women don\'t like it.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I am not questioning you, but could you please explain how you know that they don\'t like it?
What gives it away?
belgareth
12-31-2003, 03:59 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There have been a few discussions about cultural
and racial difference in response to pheromones here and JVK has done some writing on the subject. I know from my
own experience that a male wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get good results. Yet MM seems to be
getting results with Asian women while using copulins. Is it posible that the cultural/racial differences make
adding copulins to the mix a good option in those areas? Tom and other asians have complained of no results wearing
conventional men\'s pheromones, maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to their mix and see if they get the
different results.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
What happens to men who wear EW in the
Southern U.S?
Women don\'t like it, or, men beat the life out of them?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Women don\'t like it.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I am not
questioning you, but could you please explain how you know that they don\'t like it? What gives it away?
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Mostly just being avoided by women. I spend a lot of time in various
offices and work with a lot of women of all ages. Some that would normally visit while I worked on their computers
became cold and left the room. One lady who normally spends her time flirting with me while I work got downright
bitchy. I have had negative reactions to male pheromones also but not with any consistancy and I have usually
associated them with menstrual cycles.
MadMaxx
12-31-2003, 04:16 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There have been a few discussions about cultural and racial difference in
response to pheromones here and JVK has done some writing on the subject. I know from my own experience that a male
wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get good results. Yet MM seems to be getting results with Asian women
while using copulins. Is it posible that the cultural/racial differences make adding copulins to the mix a good
option in those areas? Tom and other asians have complained of no results wearing conventional men\'s pheromones,
maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to their mix and see if they get the different results.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
What happens to men who wear EW in the Southern U.S?
Women don\'t like
it, or, men beat the life out of them?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Women don\'t like it.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I am not questioning you, but could you please explain how you
know that they don\'t like it? What gives it away?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Mostly just
being avoided by women. I spend a lot of time in various offices and work with a lot of women of all ages. Some that
would normally visit while I worked on their computers became cold and left the room. One lady who normally spends
her time flirting with me while I work got downright bitchy. I have had negative reactions to male pheromones also
but not with any consistancy and I have usually associated them with menstrual cycles.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Very interesting data you have there. I am trying to think about it to see
whether I have noticed anything similar. First of all, it seems to me that women I see regularly, meaning certain
co-workers and women that I do dance lessons with twice a week are quite consistent; most of them anyway. Mind you,
I have been using EW for a long time, so it is not like a sudden change for them. I of course do have negative
experiences/effects on women, but I chalk most of them up to too much -none. The reason I blame -none is that
generally speaking at those times, I am intimidating as hell to the men also, with a few exceptions. Having said
that, I MAY have noticed adverse effects on women recently, but I don\'t know whether I can blame copulins
entirely. In my opinion it is a \"deadly\" combinations of things. That combination is: a women who is interested
in you, the presence of EW, AND the presence/suspicion of another woman that may \"be yours\". My theory for me is
that EW alone may work for social validation, BUT if there is some other evidence/idea of a concrete woman(new
girlfriend or sex partner), an interested women may go ballistic. This MAY have happened to me recently, but of
course I can\'t know for sure what is happening in the mind of any woman.
MadMaxx
12-31-2003, 04:22 AM
Another thing related
to copulins. Once again,I can\'t be sure whether it is realted to copulins, but I have had interesing experience
where a woman I hardly know starts talking about things like problems related to her period; VERY unusual in my neck
of the woods. Similar thing from a 17-year old student recently. I do NOT think it is normal to bring up the topic
of periods with your male teacher, especially with the culture I am talking about, or maybe any culture, I don\'t
know.
belgareth
12-31-2003, 06:22 AM
For the first 7-8
months I used mones, I kept a fairly detailed log of use and results. The negative reactions to copulins was
definate. After the handful of uses I gave my mix to a lady friend and haven\'t added cops to any further mxes. My
friend did report some interesting results but I am not sure of her methodolgy and am hesitant to consider them
valid.
Pancho1188
12-31-2003, 08:39 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
According to
a couple of my female friends that I can discuss these things with, they say I absolutely exude an overwhelming
maleness and sexual aura that probably blows away some women.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Wow.
I am blown away by just the very mention of such a quality.
I\'d say I exude the overwhelming feminine
homosexual aura that probably blows away some men and women. I need to get rid of that...
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Actually
Pancho-- you are adorable. If you were in your late forties, I\'d have a piece of you!
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yeah.....the age barrier......I\'ve NEVER broken that
before....really.....never been with an older woman before.........seriously........ummmmm.....yeah... ..never been
with a 40+ woman before............hot, mature women.....never.............ummm........yeah...... ...I\'m going to
go now..... *Walks away* /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Pancho1188
12-31-2003, 08:46 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There have been a few discussions about cultural
and racial difference in response to pheromones here and JVK has done some writing on the subject. I know from my
own experience that a male wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get good results. Yet MM seems to be
getting results with Asian women while using copulins. Is it posible that the cultural/racial differences make
adding copulins to the mix a good option in those areas? Tom and other asians have complained of no results wearing
conventional men\'s pheromones, maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to their mix and see if they get the
different results.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
My psychological opinion (and maybe those
with the psych and soc degrees can back me up on this one) is that pheromones probably work differently on different
cultures due to what is socially desirable in that particular culture. If women are supposed to be feminine and
elegant, pheromones that accentuate that quality probably work well. If men are supposed to be strong, masculine,
and intimidating, the -none might work well. My GUESS would be that culture is more important than race due to
social norms in the culture, but I wouldn\'t totally count it out. I could give more examples, but I think you
get the idea. Wearing -mones that accentuate desired characteristics of a sex in that particular group may help you
be successful. It may not generalize to whole cultures, but probably to social circles of people with similar
tastes. Let me know what you think.
Pancho
belgareth
12-31-2003, 08:54 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There have been a few discussions about cultural and racial difference in
response to pheromones here and JVK has done some writing on the subject. I know from my own experience that a male
wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get good results. Yet MM seems to be getting results with Asian women
while using copulins. Is it posible that the cultural/racial differences make adding copulins to the mix a good
option in those areas? Tom and other asians have complained of no results wearing conventional men\'s pheromones,
maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to their mix and see if they get the different results.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
My psychological opinion (and maybe those with the psych and soc degrees
can back me up on this one) is that pheromones probably work differently on different cultures due to what is
socially desirable in that particular culture. If women are supposed to be feminine and elegant, pheromones that
accentuate that quality probably work well. If men are supposed to be strong, masculine, and intimidating, the
-none might work well. My GUESS would be that culture is more important than race due to social norms in the
culture, but I wouldn\'t totally count it out. I could give more examples, but I think you get the idea. Wearing
-mones that accentuate desired characteristics of a sex in that particular group may help you be successful. It may
not generalize to whole cultures, but probably to social circles of people with similar tastes. Let me know what
you think.
Pancho
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Pancho
It is an area well worth
investigating. The guys in asian countries who complain of no hits might find it worth a test to see if cops make a
difference for them.
DrSmellThis
12-31-2003, 10:46 AM
I never drew hard
and fast conclusions, but I always looked at application logically -- small amounts to hands, face, crotch and butt,
in imitation of the real thing, and I would apply the night before, as I felt conversions were happening that would
make the overall effect more male - like I was geting some rather than \"was one.\" I would also just apply every
once in a while, and would certainly never reapply before showering with soap (which usually doesn\'t happen every
day, in my case). So those were my application methods.
Then I felt response was best from women I didn\'t know
and worst from women I knew well. It was horrible from my girlfriend. Secondly, it was greater from bisexual women.
Third, the response overall was very inconsistent, possibly due to the variety of women I\'d meet. Someone like
Elana, who seems very hetero and hormonal, probably has a lot of testosterone as well as a lot of estrogen running
through her (hence the apparent horniness, if I may be so bold). (I don\'t mean anything personal by this, but am
just picking someone everyone knows) She would need someone with a more stereotypical male biochemocal profile to
compliment her own, which is strongly female, but also has male characteristics. The south is a very \"men are men
and women are women\" culture, so cops would presumably also get a poor reception there.
However, feminine men
and \"boy toy\" types definitely have their share of female adherents, adherents who might be more receptive to
cops.
The other desirable effect of cops is to make the wearer feel good. But I\'d think applying too often
might cause someone to get physically acclimated, as if their biology was aware he was \"getting more than
enough\', and it was time to \"quit bringing them in,\" thus screwing up his natural phero profile. (I always
assume the body has wisdom)
My overall point is that thinking biologically might help one make the best decisions
about using copulins.
DrSmellThis
12-31-2003, 10:58 AM
I should also add
that women who are ovulating should respond best to copulins, and those near menses the worst, as menstruating women
tend to \"flock together\", and cops represent ovulation. The ovulation profile put out by the copulins would
theoretically \"pressure\" a near-menstruating women to ovulate (remember the dorm study), and would not therefore
be \"friendly\" to her current biology.
So there are a lot of likely variables at work.
MadMaxx
12-31-2003, 08:25 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There have been a few discussions about cultural and racial difference in
response to pheromones here and JVK has done some writing on the subject. I know from my own experience that a male
wearing EW in the southern US is not going to get good results. Yet MM seems to be getting results with Asian women
while using copulins. Is it posible that the cultural/racial differences make adding copulins to the mix a good
option in those areas? Tom and other asians have complained of no results wearing conventional men\'s pheromones,
maybe they should try adding a touch of cops to their mix and see if they get the different results.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
My psychological opinion (and maybe those with the psych and soc degrees
can back me up on this one) is that pheromones probably work differently on different cultures due to what is
socially desirable in that particular culture. If women are supposed to be feminine and elegant, pheromones that
accentuate that quality probably work well. If men are supposed to be strong, masculine, and intimidating, the
-none might work well. My GUESS would be that culture is more important than race due to social norms in the
culture, but I wouldn\'t totally count it out. I could give more examples, but I think you get the idea. Wearing
-mones that accentuate desired characteristics of a sex in that particular group may help you be successful. It may
not generalize to whole cultures, but probably to social circles of people with similar tastes. Let me know what
you think.
Pancho
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I have trouble forming any definite opinion
on your theory. It is currently being said in the mass media(whether that means anyting or not, I don\'t know),
that in my neck of the woods(Japan) the men are becoming more and more feminine all the time. By that, I believe
they are referring to things such as fashion/behavior, but also to a physical/hormonal thing. They blame social
factors as well as factors related to the physical environment; pollution even? The problem is that even if the
above is true, it doesn\'t allow us to conclude anything. Meaning, you could say that cops makes a guy like me
more like the \"normal\" guy in my society, and thus more acceptable, OR, you could argue that being more
\"male\" in such an environment would give a guy an advantage because he would stand out as a \"real man\".
MadMaxx
12-31-2003, 08:47 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I never drew hard and fast conclusions, but I
always looked at application logically -- small amounts to hands, face, crotch and butt, in imitation of the real
thing, and I would apply the night before, as I felt conversions were happening that would make the overall effect
more male - like I was geting some rather than \"was one.\" I would also just apply every once in a while, and
would certainly never reapply before showering with soap (which usually doesn\'t happen every day, in my case). So
those were my application methods.
Then I felt response was best from women I didn\'t know and worst from women
I knew well. It was horrible from my girlfriend. Secondly, it was greater from bisexual women. Third, the response
overall was very inconsistent, possibly due to the variety of women I\'d meet. Someone like Elana, who seems very
hetero and hormonal, probably has a lot of testosterone as well as a lot of estrogen running through her (hence the
apparent horniness, if I may be so bold). (I don\'t mean anything personal by this, but am just picking someone
everyone knows) She would need someone with a more stereotypical male biochemocal profile to compliment her own,
which is strongly female, but also has male characteristics. The south is a very \"men are men and women are
women\" culture, so cops would presumably also get a poor reception there.
However, feminine men and \"boy
toy\" types definitely have their share of female adherents, adherents who might be more receptive to cops.
The
other desirable effect of cops is to make the wearer feel good. But I\'d think applying too often might cause
someone to get physically acclimated, as if their biology was aware he was \"getting more than enough\', and it
was time to \"quit bringing them in,\" thus screwing up his natural phero profile. (I always assume the body has
wisdom)
My overall point is that thinking biologically might help one make the best decisions about using
copulins.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Your comment about bisexual women was interesting. I
do know that some of the women who respond to me very well do not appear to be in that camp at all. However, now
that I think of it, a couple of women that respond to me very well COULD be in that camp. I do not know for sure
whether they ar bi or lesbian or neither. All I know is that from their public relationship with a couple of other
women, I have often really wondered whether they might be bi or lesbian. And, correct me if you disagree, but you
don\'t necessarily have to be a \"practicing\" bisexual to be \"bisexual.\"
Your last paragraph is also
interesting. I know cops make me feel better; more relaxed, mellow, and less irritable(unlike the male who is
sexualy frustrated because he isn\'t getting enough). However, though I generally like your idea of the body being
\"smart\", I don\'t know about your last idea. For instance, does a male ever feel like he is getting enough?
The only time I feel I am getting enough is if I am getting it daily, AND from the right person, not just anyone. Of
course you are talking about something physiological in the body, so you are saying that even if I don\'t think I
am getting enough, my body thinks so, so it tries to stop attracting females? Maybe, but hard to evaluate isn\'t
it? I know I have definitely not ceased to be attracting females, but I guess the question would be, \"would I be
doing an even better job of attracting them if I lessened my body\'s exposure to copulins? Maybe I should try it.
Sorry, for the ramble. I guess that is about what it amounts to.
Personally, I am starting to think that cops
are the ultimate double-edged sword. For example, too much exposure screws things up, but no exposure and you are
also screwing things up because you may be coming across a desparate male who is looking for a piece of anything
because he isn\'t getting enough.
DrSmellThis
01-01-2004, 04:55 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
And, correct me if you disagree, but you don\'t
necessarily have to be a \"practicing\" bisexual to be \"bisexual.\"
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I hope so. Otherwise maybe I turn gay if I don\'t get laid.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
However, though I generally like your idea of the body being \"smart\", I
don\'t know about your last idea. For instance, does a male ever feel like he is getting enough? The only time I
feel I am getting enough is if I am getting it daily, AND from the right person, not just anyone. Of course you are
talking about something physiological in the body, so you are saying that even if I don\'t think I am getting
enough, my body thinks so, so it tries to stop attracting females?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Yep -- exactly what I was trying to say.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Maybe, but hard to evaluate isn\'t it?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
What I have in mind are studies that show drops in testosterone for men living with women, or
with high exposure to the same woman. One plausible way of interpreting this result is to imagine the body thinking
that it needs to adjust it\'s biology, to suit new purposes of nesting rather than hunting females. This would
happen, presumably, even if one still wanted to hunt females, and felt sex was in short supply. These other things
would still have their own, positive effect on the androgens, of course. But get where I\'m going with
this? I think your body knows and lets it be known.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I guess the question would be, \"would I be doing an even better job of
attracting them if I lessened my body\'s exposure to copulins? Maybe I should try it.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Do you owe it to yourself? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Experimentation
rules the day in my day planner. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Personally, I am starting to think that cops are the ultimate double-edged
sword. For example, too much exposure screws things up, but no exposure and you are also screwing things up because
you may be coming across a desparate male who is looking for a piece of anything because he isn\'t getting enough.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I don\'t think there\'s any mating disadvantage to having a
body that emits lots of pent up, gaseous testosterone metabolite into the biosphere. I think there\'s some
pheromonal communication there that makes women\'s bodies think, \"Awww, let me just take care of this poor
baby\'s problem, kissy kissy!\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Of course,
that\'s only one of two gaseous emmisions we men make frequently that make women weak in the knees.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif But getting laid reglarly does carry the evolutionary advantage of
keeping one\'s sperm healthy (but masturbating once or twice a week does this too), which make\'s one more
likely to produce offspring. I\'d be shocked if this was not also reflected in our pheromone profiles, however, as
I\'ve personally noticed something like this. So we have two opposing forces, and a balanced dynamic therefore
seems to be the thing to \"shoot for\". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif So maybe once or twice
a week to experiment? Maybe you can figure it out for us. I haven\'t used copulins lately myself, but maybe
you\'ll inspire me to try again.
MadMaxx
01-01-2004, 05:46 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
And, correct me if you disagree, but you don\'t necessarily have to be a
\"practicing\" bisexual to be \"bisexual.\"
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I hope so. Otherwise
maybe I turn gay if I don\'t get laid.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
However,
though I generally like your idea of the body being \"smart\", I don\'t know about your last idea. For instance,
does a male ever feel like he is getting enough? The only time I feel I am getting enough is if I am getting it
daily, AND from the right person, not just anyone. Of course you are talking about something physiological in the
body, so you are saying that even if I don\'t think I am getting enough, my body thinks so, so it tries to stop
attracting females?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yep -- exactly what I was trying to
say.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Maybe, but hard to evaluate isn\'t
it?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
What I have in mind are studies that show drops in testosterone
for men living with women, or with high exposure to the same woman. One plausible way of interpreting this result is
to imagine the body thinking that it needs to adjust it\'s biology, to suit new purposes of nesting rather than
hunting females. This would happen, presumably, even if one still wanted to hunt females, and felt sex was in short
supply. These other things would still have their own, positive effect on the androgens, of course. But get
where I\'m going with this? I think your body knows and lets it be known.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I guess the question would be, \"would I be doing an even better job of
attracting them if I lessened my body\'s exposure to copulins? Maybe I should try it.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Do you owe it to yourself? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Experimentation rules
the day in my day planner. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Personally, I am starting to think that cops are the ultimate double-edged
sword. For example, too much exposure screws things up, but no exposure and you are also screwing things up because
you may be coming across a desparate male who is looking for a piece of anything because he isn\'t getting enough.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I don\'t think there\'s any mating disadvantage to having a
body that emits lots of pent up, gaseous testosterone metabolite into the biosphere. I think there\'s some
pheromonal communication there that makes women\'s bodies think, \"Awww, let me just take care of this poor
baby\'s problem, kissy kissy!\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Of course,
that\'s only one of two gaseous emmisions we men make frequently that make women weak in the knees.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif But getting laid reglarly does carry the evolutionary advantage of
keeping one\'s sperm healthy (but masturbating once or twice a week does this too), which make\'s one more
likely to produce offspring. I\'d be shocked if this was not also reflected in our pheromone profiles, however, as
I\'ve personally noticed something like this. So we have two opposing forces, and a balanced dynamic therefore
seems to be the thing to \"shoot for\". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif So maybe once or twice
a week to experiment? Maybe you can figure it out for us. I haven\'t used copulins lately myself, but maybe
you\'ll inspire me to try again.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
This whole copulins thing is
getting a big heavy. I think I am going to start \"experimenting\" again; meaning, not using them sometimes. As it
is, I been using them for months upon months on a daily basis.
Elana
01-01-2004, 06:28 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
This whole copulins thing is getting a big heavy. I
think I am going to start \"experimenting\" again; meaning, not using them sometimes. As it is, I been using them
for months upon months on a daily basis.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Great idea! and it only
took you 400 posts to come up with it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
MadMaxx
01-01-2004, 09:42 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
This whole copulins thing is getting a big heavy. I think I am going to
start \"experimenting\" again; meaning, not using them sometimes. As it is, I been using them for months upon
months on a daily basis.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Great idea! and it only took you 400
posts to come up with it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Cute. But not. You seem to refuse to accept the idea that I do get positive effects from them.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Icarus
01-02-2004, 01:13 AM
I like the smell of
copulins.
Elana
01-02-2004, 07:44 AM
Post deleted
by belgareth
Friendly1
01-02-2004, 05:01 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Friendly1- I bet you get cheated on all of the
time. Karma
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Don\'t take that intuition to any casinos,
sweetheart. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But I hang with a lot of young ladies and they
switch out boyfriends faster than Liz Taylor goes through husbands.
Friendly1
01-02-2004, 05:06 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
BUT some of these guys that come on the forum
quoting crap out of these manuals, come off as tools. It\'s such a joke.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I wonder which manual I was supposed to be quoting from? I have an enquiring mind. I want to
know what I\'ve supposedly been reading here.
Friendly1
01-02-2004, 05:09 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I\'m just going by what I read Doc. Lots of hits
but very, very few scores. You\'re thinking that people are holding back on the dirty details? As a general rule,
guy\'s are notorious for kissing and telling and I would think the anonymity of the Forum would amplify that and
the \"telling\" would be in volumes; if there was anything to tell.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
One person laments the claims guys make on this forum and another person complains they
aren\'t making enough claims.
If we start a weekly score report, who will believe the claims made? And
since when does a man have to publicly document his sex life anyway? I missed that part of the terms and conditions
when I joined the forum.
Friendly1
01-02-2004, 05:16 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You guys should know that many men on this forum
agree with what Ash said. Most of the guys that I talk with by PM or email agree him. They are just not speaking out
on this thread. I aint scared.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
And here I thought the old \"silent
masses stand behind me\" argument had died a long time ago.
Well, Elana, as one confirmed 50-year-old-virgin to
another, I salute you for rallying the masses. They must be dedicated loyalists to have found yet another cause to
stand behind so ardently.
Friendly1
01-02-2004, 05:20 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Some of you sure are against EW. That\'s fine I
guess, but it seems that you do not even read(or do not comprehend posts) that you reply to. If you read the above,
and are capable of thinking rationally, concluding that EW should be dumped is hardly a valid conclusion. From the
above scenario, dump the -none would make more sense.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You should
really go back and read your own posts objectively. I, for one, have advised you to stop the copulins because you
have reported bad results.
But you can test the whole thing as often as you wish. Just go for two weeks without
the copulins and then two weeks with them. Do that for a couple of months and keep a journal (not here -- some
people would complain you\'re sharing too much, and some would complain you\'re not sharing enough). At the end
of the two months, you should have enough information to draw your own objective conclusion.
Elana
01-02-2004, 05:39 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
BUT some of these guys that come on the forum quoting crap out of these
manuals, come off as tools. It\'s such a joke.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I wonder which
manual I was supposed to be quoting from? I have an enquiring mind. I want to know what I\'ve supposedly been
reading here.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I wonder what makes you think I was talking
about you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Sexyredhead
01-02-2004, 06:43 PM
Perhaps the reason
most of the women on this forum are against the idea of men using copulins is that we are mainly from the South, or
we like manly men.
Maybe copulins would work for men in places that don\'t have the same cultural ideals.
Maybe not. I don\'t know.
But for this southern female, I\'m pretty sure if a man I was interested/involved
in came around me smelling like somebody else\'s pu$$y, even if it was in the miniscule amounts supposedly being
applied (that we have to remember are still stronger than what is usually perceived), he\'d get the same reaction
Belgarth got. I\'m not messing with any other woman\'s man, and my man better not be smelling like anybody
else\'s pu$$y.
Elana
01-02-2004, 06:48 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Perhaps the reason most of the women on this forum are against the idea of
men using copulins is that we are mainly from the South, or we like manly men.
Maybe copulins would work for men
in places that don\'t have the same cultural ideals. Maybe not. I don\'t know.
But for this southern female,
I\'m pretty sure if a man I was interested/involved in came around me smelling like somebody else\'s pu$$y, even
if it was in the miniscule amounts supposedly being applied (that we have to remember are still stronger than what
is usually perceived), he\'d get the same reaction Belgarth got. I\'m not messing with any other woman\'s man,
and my man better not be smelling like anybody else\'s pu$$y.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
What she said.
Pancho1188
01-02-2004, 07:15 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Perhaps the reason most of the women on this forum
are against the idea of men using copulins is that we are mainly from the South, or we like manly men.
Maybe
copulins would work for men in places that don\'t have the same cultural ideals. Maybe not. I don\'t know.
But for this southern female, I\'m pretty sure if a man I was interested/involved in came around me smelling
like somebody else\'s pu$$y, even if it was in the miniscule amounts supposedly being applied (that we have to
remember are still stronger than what is usually perceived), he\'d get the same reaction Belgarth got. I\'m not
messing with any other woman\'s man, and my man better not be smelling like anybody else\'s pu$$y.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Bad joke of the day:
I\'ll make sure I never smell like anyone
else\'s pu$$y, and you make sure I always smell like yours.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Seriously, though, I would agree. If you really want to get
\"social validation\", find a female friend or relative (think ~cousin, second cousin, etc. if you have one...I
know I have a cousin that a lot of my friends thought was so hot when we\'d have get-togethers back in HS) and
hang out with them in public. Nothing makes a woman think you\'re attractive than you actually being with a
woman...especially an attractive woman...
However, like any other product, it may or may not work for you.
Whatever works for you, man... Whatever works. Who cares what we think if you\'re in bed with some hot
girl because of it? I know I wouldn\'t give a doggy fizzle televizzle fishizzle...or something like that.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 02:01 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You seem to refuse to accept the idea that I do get positive effects from
them.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Not true. All anyone has to do is read your posts on
how soaking wet women get around you and how they want to rape you to know that whatever you are doing is working
for you.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Jeez, Elana.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 08:57 AM
You may be right, SRH,
but how would you know? How would any of you ladies? The reactions we\'re talking of aren\'t at all conscious.
There is no way you would consciously detect EW at the strengths I\'ve worn it (also, it\'s been mixed in
a perfume designed to conceal its scent). I\'m hoping that others here experiment with EW in the same way, as
I\'ve heard guys say you can\'t smell it after a while (this scent men are sensitive to, I think).
Put it
this way. Have any of you ever been really physically attracted to a man, and found out later he has a girlfriend,
or sleeps around with one or more people? Or have you ever thought to yourselves, \"All the good ones are taken\"?
These would be the kinds of common experiences to look to for honest information, not to whether or not you
consciously want some man to smell like a pussy. Of course, almost no one would admit to that kind of thing. Men
also wouldn\'t admit to wanting a woman who \"smelled like\" male genitalia. But an ex-lover tells me she gets
hit on by men noticeably moreso in the period of time after being with a man and not showering.
So far the
data indicates that both men and women produce the same pheromones, but in different amounts (e.g., butyric acid,
from EW, for sure). So the idea of excluding \"cross-sexed\" pheromones shouldn\'t be so straightforward for us
to accept.
Elana
01-03-2004, 09:11 AM
I know because the
subconscious scent of a woman would not make me feel comfortable and trusting of man. I don\'t have that
competitive thing that you all keep talking about. I don\'t care what other women think about the guy I am
interested in. That validation thing sounds insane to me. In fact, I would prefer that other women do not find the
guy I am attracted to, attractive.
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 09:30 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I know because the subconscious scent of a woman
would not make me feel comfortable and trusting of man.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I still
don\'t understand how you\'d know this, Elana, if the olfactory stimulation was truly beneath your conscious
recognition. This just begs repetition of the same question. Perhaps someone would like to address the issues I
raised.
Elana
01-03-2004, 09:37 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I know
because the subconscious scent of a woman would not make me feel comfortable and trusting of man.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I still don\'t understand how you\'d know this, if the olfactory
stimulation was truly beneath your conscious recognition. This just begs repetition of the same question. Can
someone please help here?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You believers have been saying that
the point of cops would be for social validation. That is the opposite \"feeling\" that I would want to have. Why
does what I said not make sense to you? You are trying to create this feeling with your cops. I don\'t like the
feeling that you are trying to create.
The consensus is they don\'t work. I think that it was a fluke that they
worked for you because you tend to get women with no problems. Madmaxx certainly didn\'t prove that they work for
him with his posts about being ignored and scared women. Who else said that they worked for them?
Elana
01-03-2004, 09:47 AM
Men are notorious for being
competitive. Should women start using large amounts of synthetic testosterone for the social validation theory to
work for them?
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 09:48 AM
Ahh. So, granted, you
would not like the feeling that goes with thinking or realizing a man is popular with other ladies. But this thought
or realization would not be there, and neither would the feeling you have in mind. All that higher cognitive
processing, and the feelings resulting from it, would be bypassed in this mammalian model. You\'d just have the
feeling of being very physically attracted to the man and not knowing why. That is the feeling we\'d seek to
create.
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 09:50 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Men are notorious for being competitive. Should
women start using large amounts of synthetic testosterone for the social validation theory to work for them?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">What do you think is in NPA/Edge for women?
Elana
01-03-2004, 09:52 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You\'d just have the feeling of being very physically attracted to the
man and not knowing why. That is the feeling we\'d seek to create.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I think the feeling that you would be creating would be less manly than if you didn\'t use
the cops. Some women may like that. I would not like that. Some men are attracted to those buff female body
builders. To each his own.
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 09:54 AM
MadMaxx did not say
they never worked for him, as he\'s been trying to tell us \'till he\'s blue in the face!! I do wish folks
would listen to him, and show some respect. He said he\'s been having recent problems with women in his dance
class.
In fact, the data reported so far on copulins are inconclusive, despite the vociferousness of some
folk\'s emotions here.
Elana
01-03-2004, 09:56 AM
I deleted this post because
it isn\'t nice to accuse people of being a few beers short of a 6-pack or missing a few buttons on his remote
control. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Elana
01-03-2004, 09:59 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I\'ve found it fairly reliable that cops are well used with bi-women, but
it\'s like rolling the dice otherwise.
\"Do you want to smell like a woman today?\"
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Even you aren\'t very convincing in this post.
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 10:07 AM
I would delete the last
flippant sentence in quotes if I had it to do over. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
But I
stand by the inconsistent part. I detailed some of the factors after that, that I think are responsible for the
inconsistency. Inconsistencies in one\'s results are not usually good reasons to stop your project, as there may
be ways to reduce inconsistencies to a normal level. Most consistent successes were once inconsistent successes.
Elana
01-03-2004, 10:09 AM
Madmaxx is going to lay off
of them for a bit and we will see what conclusion he comes to.
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 10:18 AM
Sounds good to me.
belgareth
01-03-2004, 10:21 AM
I am in a unique
position to test mones. The nature of my business puts me in contact with the same women almost the same day of the
month, each month. In my experience the reactions were pretty consistant woman to woman and month to month. Not 100%
but close. There were a few women that seemed to give a positive reaction to cops but they were far outnumbered by
the ones who reacted negatively. When I have time I\'ll dig out my records and look for other factors, it might be
interesting to see if age or marital status impacted the results any. While I didn\'t specifically collect that
information it shouldn\'t be hard to produce it since I know most of the women pretty well.
I think it likely
that there are two basic reactions here. Some women are more likely to resent the smell of another woman on theirs
or any other man. They see him as a player. The other group views it as a challenge. Neither reaction needs to be
concious. Could it be that by nature some women are more likely to be monogamous than others and that contributes to
the different responses?
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 10:22 AM
Interesting question.
Sagacious1420
01-03-2004, 04:36 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Men are notorious for being competitive. Should women start using large
amounts of synthetic testosterone for the social validation theory to work for them?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">What do you think is in NPA/Edge for women?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">Doc-
Do you mean to imply that NPA/w contains T as a secret ingredient? Is this just a theory
or do you know something the rest of us don\'t? Just curious.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Icarus
01-03-2004, 04:42 PM
NPA/w contains extra
competitiveness.
Holmes
01-03-2004, 05:11 PM
The Williams sisters use it
a lot.
Holmes
Pancho1188
01-03-2004, 06:21 PM
I know when I had a
sniff from the girl next to me in the gym who was wearing that stuff, I benched 325 just to beat the guy next to me
who was benching 320...weakling. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
DrSmellThis
01-03-2004, 08:56 PM
No. I was just thinking
of the 16-androstenes, which come from testosterone. These include -none, which is in NPA/w.
Sagacious1420
01-03-2004, 09:06 PM
OK
EXIT63
01-04-2004, 04:06 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
In fact, I would prefer that other women do not find the guy I am attracted
to, attractive.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I am SO the guy for you!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Elana
01-04-2004, 11:44 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
In fact, I
would prefer that other women do not find the guy I am attracted to, attractive.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I am SO the guy for you! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I just spit my water out.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Pancho1188
01-04-2004, 11:50 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
In fact, I
would prefer that other women do not find the guy I am attracted to, attractive.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I am SO the guy for you! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I just spit my water out.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yeah, you just
described a lot of men. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Whoops... Then again, I it\'s a
privilege to attract Queen Elana... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
MadMaxx
01-06-2004, 04:40 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
MadMaxx did not say they never worked for him, as he\'s been trying to tell
us \'till he\'s blue in the face!! I do wish folks would listen to him, and show some respect. He said he\'s
been having recent problems with women in his dance class.
In fact, the data reported so far on copulins are
inconclusive, despite the vociferousness of some folk\'s emotions here.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Thank you Dr.Smell. Personally, I think you should give up on Elana. Your post a few posts back
was brilliant. Some people \"see\" what they want to see.Though of course they haven\'t SEEN anything. Yes, I
have been saying until I am blue in the face that I know cops give me very positive results. I report negative
results becuase of too much =NONE(combination of synthetic and natural recently) and the THICK, THICK people on the
forum understand, \"yes, cops are obviously bad). WTF! I reported ONE negative experience that MAY have been
because I used DIFFERENT copulins from what I usually use, and all the THICK naysayers concluded, \"there you go,
cops are definitely EVIL!\" WTF!
For the information of those who actually read and understand(not the others).
I have been continuing to experiment. There is no improvement in my relations when I do not use copulins, BUT there
is VERY clear improvemnet when I down the -NONE significantly. When I up the -none a bit, things go downhill again.
For the thick people, please don\'t attempt to blow my mind by concluding that EW is the cause of my
\"problems\" just because my \"problems\" decrease when I decrease the -none and leave the EW the same.
Also, though this is a -none issue rather than a cops issue, I have clearly noticed that there is a very clear
cut distinction between the women who are sensitive(positively and negatively) to my -none level. I have an
excellent testing ground; let\'s say close range dancing with the same ten women, a few times a week. Let\'s say
5 for example are totally thrilled to death with me no matter what I adjust up or down; EW or -none, or some other
blends such as Beaches. The only exception there being is that if I really go over the top on -none, yes, even the
positive reactors will get really submissive, edgy, whatever.....BUT this group has a WAY higher tolerance than the
few in the group of ten who can\'t handle the -none. The cops are NO problem for them unless they are WAY over the
top; and by way over the top I mean like 20 drops of EW at 300:1( I don\'t use anything near that anymore, but at
those levels some peoples\' motor skills are almost gone). Back to the -none sensitive group, they are not bitchy
to me or anything like that. They are actually friendly and seem attracted; love to talk to me or whatever, maybe
even flirt, BUT don\'t want to dance with me because they CANNOT. The only thing I am not sure of with the -none
being too much for them, is whether the problem is purely physical, or emotional, or both together. The physical is
definitely exhibited. A women who can normally do a just fine double or triple spin CANNOT do a double spin without
alomst falling on her head, if my -none is up just a bit. AND let\'s get something straight! I am not talking
about massive OD\'s here! I am talking about 2 drops of JB1 being too much for the group that reacts badly. That
would amount to .6 of a drop of NPA. I wouldn\'t dream of subjecting these women to multiple drops of something
like PI/M. The ones who can\'t handle -none are okay if I reduce things to just a couple of smears of APC(whatever
is in that?).
belgareth
01-06-2004, 05:27 AM
Madmax:
Could you
give us more of a breakdown on the types of women you see? Age, race, marital status, etc. Are there any cyclic
changes you notice? I am interested because your results so differed from my own. Dosages were roughly the same so
there should be some other factor(s) here that we are not seeing.
Elana
01-06-2004, 05:39 AM
Post deleted by
belgareth
MadMaxx
01-06-2004, 06:48 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I regret deleting my post on your credibility, Madmaxx AKA The Lone Wolf. You
have so many people that think that you are Triallish that we have found ourselves (I am talking over 10 people from
this forum) in a chatroom just talking about your posts. They are amusing to say the least. Keep it up. It is very
entertaining.
I must change my panties now because just responding to you makes me wet.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Please explain Triallish. I am too stupid to know what that is. Now that I
know you are amused, I think I will stop posting. I am not here for your amusement, and I don\'t want to
contribute to your pleasures in life. If there are so many of you in the chat room that merely find my experiences
amusing, I am greatly disappointed. I had mistakenly thought there were a number of mature people here who shared a
common interest and belief in the power of pheromones(and copulins even if it isn\'t technically a phereomone). It
is very sad to see something so disappointing on this forum. Thank you for bringing this situation to my attention
Elana. I had thought you were the only ignorant individual kicking around. In retrospect, I guess I should have
known better. They say if you see one cockroach, you know there are actually 100 more....
Any serious people on
the forum can feel free to PM me anytime.
Elana
01-06-2004, 06:51 AM
Do a forum search on
TRIALL
No, I am not the only one that sees what you are all about.
Elana
01-06-2004, 06:54 AM
You and Drsmellthis don\'t
agree with what I am saying. You just called me ignorant. I am not threatening to leave the forum. If you think you
are so in the know about your mixes why are you going to leave? Many people don\'t agree with you. So?
I
never understood how people could bring something up on a public forum and then get upset if people didn\'t agree
with them. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Elana
01-06-2004, 07:20 AM
Madmaxx, It\'s very hard
for this issue not to get personal, because in the big picture the whole idea is an insult to many women. A few of
the men invent these theories about what turns women on. It\'s insulting to have to listen to a few guys tell us
these things that are so completely off base. To have to hear that a woman would be turned on by a man\'s scent of
another women, whether it be conscious or subconscious, is crazy. I don\'t even believe that Drsmellthis is a big
fan of the copulins theory. I just think that this turned into a female vs male debate and he had to stick up for
his side. I was just relieved to see that the majority of men here do not subscribe to this theory.
MadMax
It is understandable
that you do not want to continue participating in an environment where people are supposedly making fun of you, this
forum can resemble Lord of the Flies at times, but once you let that get to you, members who appreciate your
contributions end up paying for it.
Anyway, I don\'t know what in the hell some people are mocking, but then
again, we\'ve only heard from one in that group.
Elana
01-06-2004, 07:42 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Anyway, I don\'t know what in the hell some people are mocking, but then
again, we\'ve only heard from one in that group.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I could
pull up a few dozen old posts, but I will leave it as it is.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
and the THICK, THICK people on the forum understand, \"yes, cops are
obviously bad). WTF!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You mean the people that don\'t agree
with you? They are considered \"thick\"?
DrSmellThis
01-06-2004, 07:44 AM
I just don\'t find a resemblance
between Maxx and Triall. I do find that telling people that everybody talks badly about them behind their back, in
an attempt to make them feel pain, says more about the one saying that than it does the one being talked about!
It\'s one of the more viscious ways to use words, and it is ugly behavior.
Who cares if he is \"credible\"??
He\'s not running for office. It\'s flirtation stories from a dance class for goddsakes! I see no problem with
Maxx\'s posts in this thread.
On the other hand, gossiping for power to hurt others is one of my least
favorite traits. As a child therapist, I\'d put it at age 12, and a dysfunctional 12 at that. It\'s really not
appropriate on this forum, and I would ask people to leave it in their pubescent chat rooms.
Elana
01-06-2004, 07:48 AM
I admit....I feel a bit bad for
saying it. Had he not quoted it, I would have deleted it.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
To have to hear that a woman would be turned on by a man\'s scent of
another women, whether it be conscious or subconscious, is crazy
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Elana, I understand why you would not want your gender to be portrayed as weak-minded individuals who all of a
sudden chase what another chick has decided to screw, but you are looking at it with a closed mind.
First off, a
woman\'s view of a man does tend to improve if she knows that other woman like that. I hope you do not want to
dispute that, but as men, many of us see how a woman\'s opinion can change when all of a sudden she sees something
like this or see highly attractive female(s) who are friends or ex\'s of a guy. Dabbling in cops is experimenting
with projecting this.
Also, after eating a girl out, many of us guys notice more glances from women. That is all
more reason to experiment with cops.
Also, perhaps cops may be able to subconsiously project to a woman that she
has already been with you sexually, if women have specific types of cops that ew or pcc may be, thus explaining why
some guys have gotten the \"I feel Like I have known you for so long\" reaction with them.
All of this stuff
has nothing to do with a man smelling like \"pu$$y\" or placing a pink dress and lip stick on him. If I put a
load of PI on you, would you remind me of hulk hogan? Hell no. You are not going to change someone\'s visual
feminity or masculinity.
Elana
01-06-2004, 07:52 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
but you are looking at it with a closed mind.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
No, I am looking at it through a woman\'s
mind.
bjf..I think you really believe what you just wrote. I think it sounds ridiculous. I guess we should go
back to the idea that it is best that women stay out of the main forum. It\'s just too frustrating and sad to see
how men think about us.
DrSmellThis
01-06-2004, 08:00 AM
To address another issue, there
is nothing insulting about a man with a theory about what turns women on (after all, men succeed at it frequently,
even moreso than women /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif) unless one believes in 1970\'s PC
pseudofeminist extremism. People disagreed, and they expressed their disagreement.
This is also the first time
this was brought up. Words can be used appropriately to resolve conflicts. I personally am fine with someone telling
me they feel insulted, and believe most men here would handle it just fine as well.
belgareth
01-06-2004, 08:04 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
but you
are looking at it with a closed mind.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
No, I am looking at it
through a woman\'s mind.
bjf..I think you really believe what you just wrote. I think it sounds ridiculous. I
guess we should go back to the idea that it is best that women stay out of the main forum. It\'s just too
frustrating and sad to see how men think about us.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
No, I think
it is more that it would be better if everybody stopped taking the discussion personally. Maybe Madmax is blowing
smoke or having fantasies but maybe he is on to something. In either case, it is an area from open discussion
without personal attacks.
Elana:
On probability, who
has better genes, resources, etc?
Man A: Slept with/ Desired by a lot of women
Man B: Desired/ Slept with a few
women
Is it that ridiculous that
a) women would evolve to recognize a man more popular with females could give
them a better offspring?
b) the presence of female cops could indicate that a man is more likely to have Slept
with/ Desired by a lot of women, therefore indicating a higher than average probability of good genes?
I don\'t
think any of that is ridiculous. Whether someone wants a kid or not has nothing to do with it, sex was created by
nature for procreation. You may think that these things make us look stupid and weak, but we are all affected by
animal instincts that we do not necessarily find flattering.
Icarus
01-06-2004, 08:08 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You are not going to change someone\'s visual feminity or masculinity.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I thought that was what the whole concept of pheromones was all
about. Altering the perception that others receive about yourself.
Dress a woman as macho as you can, and
you will not find men swarmed around her. (unless she actually looks enough like Hulk Hogan to justify being
mistaken for him /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
I too am sometimes slightly embarrased
with some of the views expressed regarding women on this board from time to time, but would never presume to offer
anything more than my own personal opinion. Diff\'rent strokes f\'r diff\'rent folks. (\'n\' all
that)
Steve
\"Steve, The musics over, everyone\'s going home...\"
\"Just keep dancin\',
sweetums...................\"
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I thought that was what the
whole concept of pheromones was all about. Altering the perception that others receive about yourself.
Dress a
woman as macho as you can, and you will not find men swarmed around her. (unless she actually looks enough like Hulk
Hogan to justify being mistaken for him>>>
Dressing is still part of the visual aspect. Pheromones over
time teach us visual conditioning. Therefore, looking a certain way will create the same effect has exposure to
pheromones (erotic images). Most men look to masculine for a dosage of cops to overpower that effect. Most women
look to femine for a dosage of none to overpower a conditioning response (a response similar to exposure of female
pheromones), even if the none or cops have a slight influence.
Visual conditioning is very poweful and hard to
contradict, but then again, you can probably cause confusion in some people
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
belgareth
01-06-2004, 09:00 AM
I just deleted some
posts in this thread because I was asked too. There is a lot of good information here but things did get a little
out of line. If you feel it would be better that some of your own comments had not been made, please let me know and
I will take care of it.
Belgareth
Pancho1188
01-06-2004, 09:32 AM
I have a \"see the
other side\" itch that I need to scratch...
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
a) women would evolve to recognize a man more popular with females could give them a better
offspring?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Very good points in your posts, bjf,
however:
Correlation doesn\'t necessarily mean causation. Elana, IMO (I do not mean to put words in her
mouth), is simply arguing that women KNOW which men would give them better offspring (which they do, ask any
psychologist about the \"sweaty t-shirt test\") AND who would be good providers (hence making that man attractive
to them), and THAT\'S why they become popular with the ladies (NOT the other way around). As irrational as women
are sometimes, most still know exactly what they are doing (even if they don\'t admit to it or even know it
consciously). Women don\'t want to smell a \"nancy boy\" or a guy who\'s just gotten some, most of the time
they want a real, rugged, tough man (no matter how bad of news that is for me
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) who can be a man
and take care of them...or just be there for eye candy (\"Dance for me, pool boy!!!\"). Therefore, she, in my
opinion, is saying that cops will just make you look like a fool and she is just trying to save you from
embarrassment...which could be true for some people...
On the other hand...
Since the beginning of
time, men have tried every crazy thing on the face of the earth......just for a woman. Everything from discovering
new lands (Virginia was named after a woman /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif) to starting wars
(Troy) and even committing suicide (Romeo and Juliet). The fact that men are trying to hard to get women, in my
opinion, should be the biggest compliment in the world. I don\'t know how a woman could ever get offended
by talks about men when all they are trying to do is......get women. Taking copulins is actually a sign saying,
\"Well, nothing we\'ve tried as men has worked...let\'s try to be more like women and then they\'ll see our
feminine sides and think we\'re attractive and would be a great emotional support.\" Hell, women like gay men,
and they\'re for the most part more feminine than usual. Imagine if a man acted gay but was straight. I actually
know a guy like this, and he has women all over him. So.....how is that so far-fetched? If women would just make
it easier to get them, men wouldn\'t have to be doing crazy things like wearing copulins to attract them.
However, since that will never happen, men will continue to find the \"edge\" over their competition to get the
girl of their dreams. There\'s nothing wrong with that. Copulins may or may not work. -None may or may not
work. Starting a war might get you killed. Are women worth the risk? Most men would say, \"hell
yeah...\"
until they got married, then \"hell no...\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
J/K.
All that being said, I still say, \"Whatever works for you, my friends...\"
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
DrSmellThis
01-06-2004, 09:44 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Correlation doesn\'t necessarily mean causation.
...Starting a war might get you killed. Are women worth the risk? Most men would say, \"hell
yeah...\"
until they got married, then \"hell no...\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif J/K.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
First of all, I as a psychology teacher always get a huge, raging
woody when I hear anyone say \"correlation does not imply causation\"! I always \"hammered that one home\" to my
students. So, congrats, Panch. Second, you one funny dude! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
franki
01-06-2004, 10:03 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
On the other hand, gossiping for power to hurt others is one of my least
favorite traits. As a child therapist, I\'d put it at age 12, and a dysfunctional 12 at that. It\'s really not
appropriate on this forum, and I would ask people to leave it in their pubescent chat rooms.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
If you only knew how much of that has been going on on this forum over the
years...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
belgareth
01-06-2004, 10:07 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
On the
other hand, gossiping for power to hurt others is one of my least favorite traits. As a child therapist, I\'d put
it at age 12, and a dysfunctional 12 at that. It\'s really not appropriate on this forum, and I would ask people
to leave it in their pubescent chat rooms.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
If you only knew
how much of that has been going on on this forum over the years......
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
It happens any time you get a group of people together. It seems to be a
normal part of human behavoir.
True causation may not exist but the
association between the two makes experimenting with cops a not such a ludicrous thing, which I got the impression
some believed it was. You never know what subconcious messages and linkages can be sent and made by pheromones and
cops, regardless of whether the conscious works differently. It all comes down to what evolution has imprinted in
our brains, and the only way for us to know is by trying things out.
Elana
01-06-2004, 03:56 PM
Experiment until your heart is
content and then experiment some more. If you read through this thread you will see the results from many men that
have experimented.
I already did a long time ago and got
no results wearing them solo, (except for some confused guys).
DrSmellThis
01-06-2004, 04:22 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
On the
other hand, gossiping for power to hurt others is one of my least favorite traits. As a child therapist, I\'d put
it at age 12, and a dysfunctional 12 at that. It\'s really not appropriate on this forum, and I would ask people
to leave it in their pubescent chat rooms.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
If you only knew
how much of that has been going on on this forum over the years......
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Believe me, I\'ve had glimpses. It goes on everywhere. But lots of people
here make an effort to refrain from it, even when they are personally attacked. I admire that.
SwingerMD
01-06-2004, 07:43 PM
Did some playing around with PCC
a while back. Didn\'t really see hardly anything in the way of positive or negative rxns when on me.
I did
find a use for PCC later when I emptied the small bottle on my backpack by mistake. I found that whenever I stuck
my backpack in the coatroom at a dance hall, most of the guys/leads would hang out around then. (Sigh) Ahh . . . I
got so much pratice at those dances for several months. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<font
color=\"blue\"> -SwingerMD </font>
Friendly1
01-06-2004, 07:46 PM
My goodness. What a
tiff-taff.
Well, I, for one, would like to see MadMaxx talk about some of his supposed successes with copulins.
I may not be an expert in body language, but I had women in my dance class crawling all over me tonight. Back rubs.
Breast rubs. These are married women. It didn\'t hurt that only one other man showed up, but I usually get a
LOT of great attention in that class.
Body language speaks far louder to me than all the theories in the world.
These women love being around me. Part of it is because I laugh and joke with them, and tease them incessantly.
Part of it is because I usually dress well for those classes (well enough that other men start dressing up just to
compete with me for the attention I get). And part of it is the pheromones and the colognes I wear. The women love
it when I wear Creed with APC. And they\'ve gone totally over the top both times I walked in with The Edge,
Creed, and APC on. TOTALLY OVER THE TOP. The sexual hits were frequent and intense.
Ohmygodiwishtheywerentmarried!
I know which pheromones get me the best results. Tonight I walked in with weak,
wimpy little APC slathered all over my neck. I had a great time. I knew I would enjoy the evening.
Copulins? I
doubt they would EVER help a man get much of anything. I\'ve read some technical stuff on copulin research and
nothing in that work would lead me to believe they\'ll help a man get a woman\'s romantic attention. I am not
an expert but that is where I stand on the issue. And nothing MadMaxx or anyone else has posted here leads me to
believe otherwise.
Women DO like men who are popular with other women. But women seem (in general -- there are
always exceptions) to have an aversion to what they see as \"spoiled\" or \"used\" or \"marked\" goods. If
they know you\'re with someone, they lose interest fast. I\'ve got two at work whose interest took a nosedive
when I finally admitted I was dating someone on a regular basis. They may be starting to come back a little on the
interest trail, but they both have boyfriends now and if anything happens with them, it will probably wait until the
boyfriends have screwed up enough that the girls lose interest in them.
Ain\'t no copulins going to help with
THAT situation.
franki
01-06-2004, 07:49 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
These are married women.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Hits from married women don\'t count..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
They can be flirtatious in a whole different way than single
women, knowing that you know they are married.
Pancho1188
01-06-2004, 07:57 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
These are
married women.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Hits from married women don\'t count..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
They can be flirtatious in a whole different way than single
women, knowing that you know they are married.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Ohhh, that really
eats me up inside... Women who know you know they are going out with someone will pour you with affection because
they know that you know nothing will possibly ever happen... My ex did that to me when we were just friends, she
had a bf, and I had a crush on her. We were hanging out, we had buddy-buddy closeness, and we even almost
cuddled.......and she was PERFECTLY comfortable because I was a good guy and she knew she didn\'t have to worry a
damn second about me trying to cross any lines...
Of course, I\'m not bitter.........
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
It can all be explained by Seinfeld:
Elaine: We just got
along *so* great.
Jerry: Of course you did. Everyone gets along great when there\'s no possibility of sex.
Friendly1
01-06-2004, 08:01 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
They can be flirtatious in a whole different way than single women, knowing
that you know they are married.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I agree with you 100 per cent. On
the other hand, most married women don\'t go rubbing their breasts on all the men who aren\'t their husbands.
They get something out of the sensation, too, and there is no point in pretending it\'s just a game for them.
They still pick and choose whom they play with.
They may not be trying to sleep with me, but they ARE picking me
to rub up against.
And I don\'t want to get involved with married women anyway. Have done that. Don\'t want
to go there again.
Friendly1
01-06-2004, 08:14 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Ohhh, that really eats me up inside... Women who know you know they are
going out with someone will pour you with affection because they know that you know nothing will possibly ever
happen... My ex did that to me when we were just friends, she had a bf, and I had a crush on her. We were hanging
out, we had buddy-buddy closeness, and we even almost cuddled.......and she was PERFECTLY comfortable because I was
a good guy and she knew she didn\'t have to worry a damn second about me trying to cross any lines...
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Grasshopper, you and Weedwacker have MUCH to learn about REAL
life.
Pheromones don\'t look at wedding rings. And, as someone once told me from his own bitter experience,
\"Rings don\'t plug holes.\"
Women play with whatever toys they choose to play with. I\'ll take the hits
from the married women as long as I enjoy having them rub up against me. Fun is fun.
Pancho1188
01-06-2004, 08:35 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Grasshopper, you and Weedwacker have MUCH to learn about REAL
life.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'m not sure what that means, but okay.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I was just playing.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Friendly1
01-06-2004, 09:22 PM
It means that you can and should
try to learn from every experience you have. Just because a woman stands behind my back and rubs her breasts on me
doesn\'t mean I\'m going to get laid. Heck, it might be a woman who repulses me. But women who do that to you
feel safe with you and enjoy your company.
Think about that.
You are not creeping them out. You are not
repulsing them. You are most likely relaxed and enjoying yourself. And you are getting attention that other men
are NOT getting.
So, what\'s wrong with getting in a little practice with a married woman (as far as the sexual
hits go)? Nothing. Women are still women, even after they get married.
I meet lots of women every day. Most of
them barely even look at me, much less flip their hair or rub up against me. But in the course of a week, I usually
get a LOT of hits: sexual hits, friendly hits, whatever hits.
I have more than once been dancing with a woman and
felt some other woman rubbing up against my back. Why do they do it? Who knows? One woman came up and pinched my
butt while I was dancing one night. Another woman danced with me one time, acted uninterested, and went back to her
friends. A while later, as I danced with someone else, she kept maneuvering over by me as she danced with someone
else and kept slamming into me (gently, but she was definitely going out of her way to make contact).
I tend to
be flambouyant. I usually enjoy myself. But the pheromones help ME relax and they help the women relax, and that
brings out the playfulness.
So, I\'m having harmless fun and learning more about the women around me. I
don\'t go looking for headlight moments. They come find me. I am open to the opportunities, and they are coming
more often.
You guys like to joke around and nit pick each other to death. But I read a lot of interesting
things in these forums that just don\'t get much comment. Actions really do speak louder than words.
So, yeah,
baby! Hits from married women count. They should be enjoyed. They should be appreciated. Married women will
teach you things single women wouldn\'t dare show you.
I don\'t chase married women. But I sure love being
around them when they want to have fun.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
My goodness. What a tiff-taff.
Well, I, for one, would like to see
MadMaxx talk about some of his supposed successes with copulins. I may not be an expert in body language, but I had
women in my dance class crawling all over me tonight. Back rubs. Breast rubs. These are married women. It
didn\'t hurt that only one other man showed up, but I usually get a LOT of great attention in that class.
Body
language speaks far louder to me than all the theories in the world. These women love being around me. Part of it
is because I laugh and joke with them, and tease them incessantly. Part of it is because I usually dress well for
those classes (well enough that other men start dressing up just to compete with me for the attention I get). And
part of it is the pheromones and the colognes I wear. The women love it when I wear Creed with APC. And they\'ve
gone totally over the top both times I walked in with The Edge, Creed, and APC on. TOTALLY OVER THE TOP. The
sexual hits were frequent and intense. Ohmygodiwishtheywerentmarried!
I know which pheromones get me the best
results. Tonight I walked in with weak, wimpy little APC slathered all over my neck. I had a great time. I knew I
would enjoy the evening.
Copulins? I doubt they would EVER help a man get much of anything. I\'ve read some
technical stuff on copulin research and nothing in that work would lead me to believe they\'ll help a man get a
woman\'s romantic attention. I am not an expert but that is where I stand on the issue. And nothing MadMaxx or
anyone else has posted here leads me to believe otherwise.
Women DO like men who are popular with other women.
But women seem (in general -- there are always exceptions) to have an aversion to what they see as \"spoiled\" or
\"used\" or \"marked\" goods. If they know you\'re with someone, they lose interest fast. I\'ve got two at
work whose interest took a nosedive when I finally admitted I was dating someone on a regular basis. They may be
starting to come back a little on the interest trail, but they both have boyfriends now and if anything happens with
them, it will probably wait until the boyfriends have screwed up enough that the girls lose interest in
them.
Ain\'t no copulins going to help with THAT situation.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Banter and humor are VERY sexy.
Irish
01-07-2004, 06:53 AM
When I tried cops I had
worked out a theory. I tried to imagine what pheros a primitive alpha male of say ten thousand years ago might
naturally emit. So I figured all the usual male steroidal stuff, plus traces of the women this popular alpha had
recently \'been with\'. Seemed to make enough sense to try cops out in my phero mix.
But when I used EW it
just seemed to switch off the none A1 nol. I really thought I could tell the difference from one night to the next,
around the same girls. Like a wall went up with the EW, where without it there was touching and flirting.
So I
gave up - it was that noticeable for me. Maybe I used too much, and overpowered the male signals. Maybe hetero women
are not sexually tweaked by a female signal. Maybe the effect was on ME, since cops definitely adjust a male\'s T
level. Maybe it was just a bad idea after all.
I found one old study that indicated women under exposure to cops
rate men negatively if his manner is not \'feminine\' - that is to say, aggressive men were rated badly when the
female viewer was exposed to cops. Aggressive men were not rated badly when the women were exposed to male steroids.
If the man\'s behavior didn\'t match his signal, the women were disturbed somehow and didn\'t like him.
So
anyway I have abandoned cops, although I may experiment at some point with very dilute doses. The idea that an alpha
male would smell of recent conquests was interesting, but I haven\'t been able to make it work for me. I guess
it\'s one thing as a man to show your \'feminine\' side by admiring a nice dress in a shop - it\'s quite
another thing to put on the dress. When I wore cops I felt like I was wearing the dress.
franki
01-07-2004, 08:04 AM
Madmaxx, you live in Japan
right? Are these japanese women or caucasian women you are getting hits from?? If it are asian ones, I think the
fact that you are quite exotic to them explains a lot. I remember Bruce telling about an aussie guy he knew back in
the days he lived in Japan. This guy had long blond hairs and was (almost) sort of a sex symbol in Japan..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Holmes
01-07-2004, 08:15 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I think the fact that you are quite exotic to them explains a lot. I remember
Bruce telling about an aussie guy he knew back in the days he lived in Japan. This guy had long blond hairs and was
(almost) sort of a sex symbol in Japan.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Bingo.
Holmes
My friend, a tall white guy,
said tall white people are looked at like celebrities there. Strangers would openly get excited around him.
franki
01-09-2004, 06:21 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Grasshopper, you and Weedwacker have MUCH to learn about REAL
life.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I hope you are not calling ME a Weedwacker!
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