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AzMike

12-19-2003, 11:55 PM

After

2 1/2 months of essentially no real hits, I suddenly got a few in a couple days. There was nothing really different

I did as far as amount of application, specific product, or placement, for the first 2 hits. The last one was a

\"delayed effect\" hit.

Used TE/m on 12/17 at a dance lesson, and as the lessons ended, I was standing next to

my last partner in the lessons. The ladies get \"rotated\" around during the lesson, so you get a new partner

about every 2 minutes. I had thought this woman had a preference for the real top-notch dancers only, and wasn\'t

too keen on dancing with me. She was standing about 12 inches away from me. As the post-lesson dancing started,

she turned to me and said \"let\'s dance\", which surprised me. She looked me in the eye a fair amount of the

time during the song. It just seemed enough out of the ordinary, for this woman, that I felt it was a bonafide

hit.

Half an hour later, I asked this other woman there to dance, and during most of the song, she looked at me

with this dazed, wide-eyed look. After waiting 10 weeks to see a DIHL, I think I\'ve finally seen one. I decided

to classify this as a hit, although I have on rare occasions seen this before I ever used mones. It is really hard

to say if this was due to the mones or not.

Both these women had significant others, tho, so I couldn\'t

proceed further with either of them. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif It\'s common in the world

of swing dancing that when couples come in, even if they\'re married, they might dance the first song together,

then they break apart and dance with various other people there- this is commonplace.

These relatively minor hits

were overshadowed the next evening, tho. I had met this one woman on a museum trip in November, while wearing a

moderate dose of TE/m and Dolce Gabbana, and we went on a couple dates. She sent me an email inviting me over on a

Thursday evening, and it sounded suggestive, she said \"I really need you to hold me\". So I hopped in my car and

drove 15 miles to her place on 12/18. We chatted for a while, sat on a couch gradually massaging each other more

and more, and ended up \"consummating\" our relationship. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

She

told me she had never acted so forward toward a man in her life before (she was in her 40\'s). And she said \"I

don\'t know what it is about you\". Needless to say, I didn\'t mention anything about using mones to her.

This was certainly in \"hit\" territory. Although I have had similar things happen to me a few times, they\'ve

been very few and far between in my life. But if I were to continue using mones, and this were not to happen again

for years, I might conclude this incident was not due to the mones. Since this happened within the first few months

of mone use, for now, I\'ll have to credit the mones for my good fortune.

After all this, I visited a blues bar

on 12/19, saw about 20 people I knew from an outdoors club, and several strangers, and had no hits. Meanwhile, my

sweetie from the previous nite left town for the holidays, something I will doing in a couple more days. So, even

with a few hits under my belt now (one literally /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif), the total number of hits seems small and sparse, considering the

40-50 field tests I\'ve done since 10/1.

AzMike

MysteriousMan

12-20-2003, 02:35 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
After 2 1/2 months of essentially no

real hits, I suddenly got a few in a couple days. There was nothing really different I did as far as amount of

application, specific product, or placement, for the first 2 hits. The last one was a \"delayed effect\"

hit.

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Nice post!
Maybe you don\'t have this needy look and

behaviour any more.

EXIT63

12-20-2003, 05:12 AM

Good work SwingerAZ! Maybe you\'re a better dancer than you think you are.

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CptKipling

12-20-2003, 07:18 AM

Congratulations!

Glad they are finally working for you, you are a patient man

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Friendly1

12-20-2003, 01:15 PM

I notice hits in dance class all the time. The younger girls (18-22) often start to tremble and their hands get

very, very damp and sweaty. I\'ve learned to tone down the pheromones a little bit, as having a girl who is TOO

nervous for a partner makes it difficult to learn the lesson.

The longer they stay in the class with me, the more

flirty they become. Of course, I joke with them, tease them a lot, and have been dancing longer than most of them.

The women appreciate a good lead above all else. The best thing a man can do for himself in dance class is keep

taking lessons until he is the best in the group (or one of the best -- I social dance with a large group and am by

no means the best, but the women all love to dance with me).

DIHL hits are rare but they happen occasionally.

I\'ve studied several books on body language and I can generally tell when a girl is fascinated with me. I

sometimes get mean and play with them, moving around in the rotation so that it takes them a long time to get to me.

EXIT63

12-20-2003, 08:39 PM

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I social dance with a large group and am by no

means the best, but the women all love to dance with me).

<hr /></blockquote>

Well,

just look at you...How can they resist?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Friendly1

12-20-2003, 10:41 PM

It does sound bad, doesn\'t it? But then, I take private dance lessons and have been taking them for over a

year. Every time my teacher asked me what my goal was, I told her the same thing: \"When I dance with a woman, I

want her to think to herself (when the dance is over), \'I really enjoyed that experience.\'\"

So, my

teacher has pounded technique into me for a year (and I am still taking the private lessons). I get far more

instruction on how to lead and how to pace myself than the average guy in my dance classes.

I don\'t have the

natural advantage of having grown up in a dancing family, but I do have the ability to pay for the lessons and

practice to become good enough that women frequently compliment me on my dancing. I\'ve worked hard for that

recognition. I\'ve earned it.

So, smirk all you wish. It won\'t bother me. Anyone should be able to do the

same thing, if they want to do it badly enough. I\'m living proof of that.

SwingerMD

12-21-2003, 12:15 AM

AzMike,

Welcome to the forum fellow swing dancer! Do take East Coast, West Coast, or do you Lindy?

The eye

contact thing is definately a hit. BTW did you notice if her eyes were dialated? For me, this is a major sign of

if the -none that I\'m wearing is working.

With all of the experimenting that I have done, I\'ve found that I

get either a bunch of hits, or none. Usually when my mix is working I don\'t even have to ask anyone to dance.

They come right after me . . . even if I\'m resting.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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 -SwingerMD

SwingerMD

12-21-2003, 12:24 AM

Friendly1,

Taking private lessons? Cool. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I haven\'t done

that myself yet. I plan to soon in addition to having myself taped while dancing. Definately gonna be very painful

to watch, but I\'ve heard that it can be very helpful.

At the moment I\'m taking lindy classes as a follow.

It\'s already helping me with my lead plus it may come in handy teaching new follows.

Keep on dancin\'! Hell

after three or so years I\'m still tweaking my lindy basic.

--------------------


SwingerMD

xtreme03

12-22-2003, 12:39 AM

I GOT

THE NEW BIE BUT DONT WHERE 2 START, HOW MUCH SHOULD I MIX TE N MUSK OIL, CAN I USED THEM SEPARATELY?

CptKipling

12-22-2003, 04:02 PM

Intersting...

(try starting your own thread)

AzMike

12-22-2003, 10:21 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
AzMike,

Welcome to the forum fellow swing

dancer! Do take East Coast, West Coast, or do you Lindy?

The eye contact thing is definately a hit. BTW did you

notice if her eyes were dialated? For me, this is a major sign of if the -none that I\'m wearing is

working.

With all of the experimenting that I have done, I\'ve found that I get either a bunch of hits, or

none. Usually when my mix is working I don\'t even have to ask anyone to dance. They come right after me . . .

even if I\'m resting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

--------------------

 -SwingerMD 

<hr /></blockquote>
West Coast. Mainly because

the East coast group in town dwindled and faded out. Too bad- it was a younger crowd, and I would have liked to

experiment with the 2 different age groups, and see if mones worked better with either.

I haven\'t noticed any

significant increase in women asking me to dance, with mones, compared to before. Maybe a 10-15 percent increase,

but its hard to tell. They certainly aren\'t flocking to me in droves.

BTW, the woman I had the major hit

with, came back for more on Sunday, 21st. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif She insisted on visiting

me, and we ate Chinese food, and engaged in- other activities. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I

just left town on a 6-day vacation, and she\'s already sent me a few emails, referring to me and herself with pet

names. Whether its because of the mones or not, she seems to be hooked on me.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

AzMike

MadMaxx

12-23-2003, 05:55 AM

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I notice hits in dance class all the time. The

younger girls (18-22) often start to tremble and their hands get very, very damp and sweaty. I\'ve learned to

tone down the pheromones a little bit, as having a girl who is TOO nervous for a partner makes it difficult to learn

the lesson.

The longer they stay in the class with me, the more flirty they become. Of course, I joke with them,

tease them a lot, and have been dancing longer than most of them. The women appreciate a good lead above all else.

The best thing a man can do for himself in dance class is keep taking lessons until he is the best in the group (or

one of the best -- I social dance with a large group and am by no means the best, but the women all love to dance

with me).

DIHL hits are rare but they happen occasionally. I\'ve studied several books on body language and I

can generally tell when a girl is fascinated with me. I sometimes get mean and play with them, moving around in the

rotation so that it takes them a long time to get to me.

<hr /></blockquote>

Heh,

Friendly1, I\'m glad to have another dancer here in addition to SwingerMD. I do dance lessons at least twice a

week and have all kinds of \"problems\" as well as pleasant hits from women. It will be nice to get some input

from you. I will throw some things out, and you can tell me what you think from your experince of \"dancing with

pheros\".

First of all, I\'ve been dancing for about one year and had very few problems for the first 6

months. What I mean by few problems, is that I got all kinds of hits, and many women seemed to love dancing with me,

even though I obviously wasn\'t very good during my first few months. The interesting thing is that during that

time period I was a \"heavy user\"; meaning, I would be loaded up with all kinds of things; -none, SOE, and more

sometimes.

These days, things are quite different. My dancing/lead is far better than 6 months ago, and because

of some problems I was having, such as women not wanting to dance with me, or women wanting to dance me, but not

seeming comfortable doing so, or physically not being able to, I toned down my phero use. However, even though I

have things toned down compared to in the past, and I am a far better lead, I have all kinds of weird problems that

I never had in the past.

Examples: -Some women just don\'t want to dance with me....

-Some women really seem

to want to dance with me, because they accept with a big smile, or even ask me to dance, but then when we go to

dance they seem to feel uncomfortable and can\'t dance well, and don\'t smile at all. These women by the way,

are women that I have known for a few months at least in many cases, from lessons.

-The women who are a

\"problem\" run the range from beginners, to those that are \"okay\", to ones that are fairly good.....my point

being that I don\'t think it is something so simple as beginners being intimidated or nervous. In fact, the young

beginners aren\'t usually the problem.

My theories: One of my female friends suggested that if a women is

really attracted to me, she may be too self-conscious and/or nervous and then become \"hopeless\" at dancing. I

had not thought about it, but she says that is how it is for her. She says she absolutely does not want to dance

with a man that she is really attracted to, because she \"cannot\" do it. In two or three of my \"problem\"

cases, I have pretty good reason to believe that they are attracted to me.

Another idea; my same friend says

that I am really MALE, compared to the others around me. If this is her impression, I am supposing that she would

get it from both my character and my added pheros(she doesn\'t know about them). Even though I have really toned

down the -none, I have boosted my internal hormone levels(some supplementation, plus a lot of working out lately),

which would increase my natural phero output. Maybe I put out a signal that is just too \"scary\", too

\"sexual\", too alpha.....maybe some women get a message that I am a sexual predator, even though I am not

\"doing\" anything to give that message, and I am not interested in them. I got this idea from someone one the

forum who said that with a lot of -none women would sometimes think that he was hitting on them, even if he

wasn\'t.
Or, maybe because they read me as being really alpha/dominant, they feel too much pressure to please me,

or feel that I must be really critical of their mistakes(though I am certainly not). I get this idea, partly from

what happens in lessons. One woman who doesn\'t want to dance me, is always asking me in lessons if what she is

doing is okay, or whether her dancing is strange.

Anyway, I think I\'ve gone on long enough. Hope you have some

input for me.

MadMaxx

12-23-2003, 05:59 AM

One more thing, Friendly1, could you let me know what sort of application levels you are using of -none, etc for

lessons. For me, I am down to using 2 drops of JB1, which is 30% NPA, which translates into only .6 of a drop of

NPA. I also use A1, but I can\'t see that doing anything negative.

DrSmellThis

12-23-2003, 07:13 AM

I used to have problems

with negative social feedback (from both sexes, while wearing -none) all the time before WAGG, A1, and a product

called V5.

It helps to use -rone with -none, in terms of being able to project the positives of alpha (e.g.,

protectiveness, fatherliness) without the negatives (dangerousness, threat). The other thing is to observe the rule,

\"no -none without WAGG (best) or A1.\"

For the sake of honesty, I should add that a company called Pherone

makes a -none-free formula called V5 that has a definite WAGG-like effect, (good vibes out da wazoo) but is slightly

more musky and probably has a more complicated formula. I use it with -none also. I don\'t know whether Bruce has

considered carrying it, but I hope he has.

I\'m a believer in \"buying insurance for your -none,\"

at least for most men.

Finally, using essential oils (sandalwood, vetiver, vanilla, amber, or patchouli) with

none seems to help moderate the effect.

koolking1

12-23-2003, 07:20 AM

I\'ll bet that the women who no longer want to dance with you are finding you attractive due to the mones but are

perplexed as (don\'t mean to offend here) you aren\'t their \"type\" and it\'s confusing to them. Let\'s

face it, you would be totallly confused too if you found yourself sexually attracted to a woman who wasn\'t your

\"type\". Or, perhaps, are married and don\'t want to act on the attraction for the obvious reason. Even

though you\'ve toned them down, they are still there. You might experiment with not using any at all and see what

happens.

MadMaxx

12-23-2003, 07:38 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I used to have problems with negative social feedback (from both sexes, while

wearing -none) all the time before WAGG, A1, and a product called V5.

It helps to use -rone with -none, in terms

of being able to project the positives of alpha (e.g., protectiveness, fatherliness) without the negatives

(dangerousness, threat). The other thing is to observe the rule, \"no -none without WAGG (best) or A1.\"

For

the sake of honesty, I should add that a company called Pherone makes a -none-free formula called V5 that has a

definite WAGG-like effect, (good vibes out da wazoo) but is slightly more musky and probably has a more complicated

formula. I use it with -none also. I don\'t know whether Bruce has considered carrying it, but I hope he has.

I\'m a believer in \"buying insurance for your -none,\" at least for most men.

Finally, using essential

oils (sandalwood, vetiver, vanilla, amber, or patchouli) with none seems to help moderate the effect.

<hr

/></blockquote>

Good advice, although I can say that I did make that rule for myself a

long time ago. I never use -none without A1 and copulins actually. There is a HUGE difference! As I think I

mentioned, I am only using 2 drops/dabs of JB1 these days, so that is actually less -none the the amount of A1 I am

using.

MadMaxx

12-23-2003, 07:43 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I\'ll bet that the women who no longer want to

dance with you are finding you attractive due to the mones but are perplexed as (don\'t mean to offend here) you

aren\'t their \"type\" and it\'s confusing to them. Let\'s face it, you would be totallly confused too if

you found yourself sexually attracted to a woman who wasn\'t your \"type\". Or, perhaps, are married and

don\'t want to act on the attraction for the obvious reason. Even though you\'ve toned them down, they are

still there. You might experiment with not using any at all and see what happens.

<hr /></blockquote>

Interesting thought, I hadn\'t really thought of that one. I have trouble imagining being

attracted to a woman that isn\'t my \"type\", since any woman I am attracted to is my \"type\".

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Actually, I don\'t know whether what you describe could happen

anyway. People have talked about this on the forum before, like seriously, I don\'t believe any phero combination

could make me feel attraction for some chick who grossed my out; and lots of them do. But whatever, it\'s all

food for thought.

DrSmellThis

12-23-2003, 07:55 AM

Yes, Maxx, you are

well known for you copulin experiments! Whatever happened to the famous \"magic pants\"??

I recommend a

1:1 -none/A1 ratio for those who can tolerate A1, and want to go that direction.

MadMaxx

12-23-2003, 08:01 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Yes, Maxx, you are well known for you copulin experiments! Whatever happened

to the famous \"magic pants\"??

<hr /></blockquote>

Maybe my memory is bad, but I

think that was another psycho, maybe EXIT??? I still use cops, but I had to tone them down because I go to dance

lessons a lot. I can get away with a lot of cops on a normal day, and get amazing results, but dancing is a

different story! I do salsa which takes pretty intense motor skills and I eventually figured out that certain women

in particular were spinning out into walls and weird stuff like that probably from the EW.

franki

12-23-2003, 09:02 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Yes, Maxx,

you are well known for you copulin experiments! Whatever happened to the famous \"magic pants\"??

<hr

/></blockquote>

Maybe my memory is bad, but I think that was another psycho, maybe EXIT???

<hr /></blockquote>

Several peeps have had magical pants...the one you are referring

to is Bassman.

MadMaxx

12-23-2003, 09:03 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr

/>
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Yes, Maxx, you are well known for you copulin

experiments! Whatever happened to the famous \"magic pants\"??

<hr /></blockquote>

Maybe my memory is bad, but I think that was another psycho, maybe EXIT???

<hr

/></blockquote>

Several peeps have had magical pants...the one you are referring to is

Bassman.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yeah, now I remember. What the hell is a \"peep\"?

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franki

12-23-2003, 09:04 AM

\"a\" people

bjf

12-23-2003, 09:08 AM

EW and PCC are different types of cops,

so all cops are not the same. Don\'t know if Jane Doe only produces type A, or if she produces type A,B,C,D and

E.

Some guys have gotten the \"I feel like I have known you forever\" from women they just met. Perhaps

this is because the type of cops that the EW or PCC they are using contains is the same type that the woman

produces, and the woman senses their cops on that man (therefore feeling like they have been intimate with them

before).

That said, has any man tried mixing EW and PCC cops to see results, consueqeuently giving yourself a

greater chance to wear their type of cops?

DZorro

12-23-2003, 11:10 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I used to

have problems with negative social feedback (from both sexes, while wearing -none) all the time before WAGG, A1, and

a product called V5.

It helps to use -rone with -none, in terms of being able to project the positives of alpha

(e.g., protectiveness, fatherliness) without the negatives (dangerousness, threat). The other thing is to observe

the rule, \"no -none without WAGG (best) or A1.\"

For the sake of honesty, I should add that a company called

Pherone makes a -none-free formula called V5 that has a definite WAGG-like effect, (good vibes out da wazoo) but is

slightly more musky and probably has a more complicated formula. I use it with -none also. I don\'t know whether

Bruce has considered carrying it, but I hope he has.

I\'m a believer in \"buying insurance for your

-none,\" at least for most men.

Finally, using essential oils (sandalwood, vetiver, vanilla, amber, or

patchouli) with none seems to help moderate the effect.

<hr /></blockquote>

Good

advice, although I can say that I did make that rule for myself a long time ago. I never use -none without A1 and

copulins actually. There is a HUGE difference! As I think I mentioned, I am only using 2 drops/dabs of JB1 these

days, so that is actually less -none the the amount of A1 I am using.

<hr /></blockquote>

Did it ever accur to you that by wearing copuline on you, the girls acts like they do now ??

I mean they smelling cops must mean that your sleeping with other woman, so that\'s why some of them acts like

that. It some of the copetition thing going on, it think it was Elana who said it in a post back, please do correct

me if Ãm wrong !! that if she would smell copuline on a guy that she instantly loose interest. Besides isn\'t

copuline a female product too ?? you should stick to men\'s product and see if that works first, before using any

female products.

DZorro,

koolking1

12-24-2003, 04:53 AM

It\'s happened to me

- women would catch a whiff of my APC and be instantly attracted but would then, after seeing me, be seemingly

ashamed of themselves as I was not their \"ideal\"\'; they would look downward and away and who could blame them

- it would be an inappropriate match (too young, married and not looking, etc.). And, I don\'t know if there are

others, but I am the owner of the \"magic pants\" which came into being after a bottle of APC in my luggage broke

in-flight and soaked one pair of my pants which became unwearable due to the overpowering scent and which I hung in

my closet for many months till the scent disappeared but the mones were still there apparently. I had since gained

weight and was not able to wear them but have now gotten back in shape so I may pull them out again and experiment

some more - will publish the results after I do so. The first go-around was very very interesting.

MadMaxx

12-24-2003, 05:02 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr

/>
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I used to have problems with negative social

feedback (from both sexes, while wearing -none) all the time before WAGG, A1, and a product called V5.

It helps

to use -rone with -none, in terms of being able to project the positives of alpha (e.g., protectiveness,

fatherliness) without the negatives (dangerousness, threat). The other thing is to observe the rule, \"no -none

without WAGG (best) or A1.\"

For the sake of honesty, I should add that a company called Pherone makes a

-none-free formula called V5 that has a definite WAGG-like effect, (good vibes out da wazoo) but is slightly more

musky and probably has a more complicated formula. I use it with -none also. I don\'t know whether Bruce has

considered carrying it, but I hope he has.

I\'m a believer in \"buying insurance for your -none,\" at

least for most men.

Finally, using essential oils (sandalwood, vetiver, vanilla, amber, or patchouli) with none

seems to help moderate the effect.

<hr /></blockquote>

Good advice, although I can say

that I did make that rule for myself a long time ago. I never use -none without A1 and copulins actually. There is a

HUGE difference! As I think I mentioned, I am only using 2 drops/dabs of JB1 these days, so that is actually less

-none the the amount of A1 I am using.

<hr /></blockquote>

Did it ever accur to

you that by wearing copuline on you, the girls acts like they do now ?? I mean they smelling cops must mean that

your sleeping with other woman, so that\'s why some of them acts like that. It some of the copetition thing going

on, it think it was Elana who said it in a post back, please do correct me if Ãm wrong !! that if she would smell

copuline on a guy that she instantly loose interest. Besides isn\'t copuline a female product too ?? you should

stick to men\'s product and see if that works first, before using any female products.

DZorro,

<hr

/></blockquote>

Zorro, dude, I don\'t think you followed the whole thread. I was not

complaining about women NOT being interested; that\'s not the problem. Sure, it\'s easy to understand that a

woman might back off if she smells another woman on you. Smelling a woman on me is no reason not to want to dance

with me. In a social dance scene, some people have boy/girlfriends or are married. It is also no reason to be very

uncomfortable dancing with that person.

-none or something else is probably the issue here, since women seemed

intimidated, nervous, or afraid....even though I am down to less than a drop of NPA.

Friendly1

12-24-2003, 05:17 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
It\'s happened to me - women would catch a whiff

of my APC and be instantly attracted but would then, after seeing me, be seemingly ashamed of themselves as I was

not their \"ideal\"\'; they would look downward and away and who could blame them - it would be an inappropriate

match (too young, married and not looking, etc.).

<hr /></blockquote>

Looking down and

away are usually signs of interest, not shame. Women don\'t think about \"inappropriate match\" after they

agree to dance with you. You\'ve already passed their physical requirements test.

MadMaxx

12-24-2003, 05:28 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
It\'s

happened to me - women would catch a whiff of my APC and be instantly attracted but would then, after seeing me, be

seemingly ashamed of themselves as I was not their \"ideal\"\'; they would look downward and away and who could

blame them - it would be an inappropriate match (too young, married and not looking, etc.).

<hr

/></blockquote>

Looking down and away are usually signs of interest, not shame. Women

don\'t think about \"inappropriate match\" after they agree to dance with you. You\'ve already passed their

physical requirements test.

<hr /></blockquote>

LOL...this thread is turning into

the blind leading the blind. The dude talking about the women being \"ashamed\" is not talking about dancing at

all.

As for my problems with the \"dance\" scene. I don\'t know whether some of you really understand \"the

scene\". We are not talking about going out to a club and asking some stranger to dance. We are talking about a

group of people who take dance lessons together and then dance afterwards. Basically, everyone dances with everyone,

regardless of whether you \"like\" the person or not. It\'s pretty much rude to refuse someone, unless you have

a really good reason; like they abuse you on the dance floor or try to molest you. I never refuse anyone; not even

fat, unattractive women who reek and can\'t dance. I\'m probable the only guy in my lessons that gets refused;

with the possible exception of a gross, middle-aged child molester. My dancing is okay, I am not exceedingly homely

by any means, and my students and co-workers tell me I smell amazing, so.....thus, my question/plea for input from

the \"serious\" dancers on the forum.

koolking1

12-24-2003, 06:01 AM

I did order a body

language book yesterday!!! Hope it gets here soon.

Friendly1

12-24-2003, 11:54 AM

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LOL...this thread is turning into the blind leading

the blind. The dude talking about the women being \"ashamed\" is not talking about dancing at all.

<hr

/></blockquote>

Well, I AM rushing through forums this week. Anyway, the body language

applies whether it\'s in a dancing context or not. If a girl looks at you, then looks down, she is attracted to

you. If she looks at you, then looks away, but looks back, she is attracted to you. That doesn\'t mean she is

contemplating having your children. It just means she finds you interesting. They don\'t normally express

\"shame\" in looking at a man (although that would also depend on the culture, and I didn\'t ask which culture

was involved).

As for the dance scene, I can tell you that I\'ve been taking dance lessons for over a year

(that includes privates and classes) and I have usually not refused to dance with anyone, even though there were a

few ladies I would have preferred not to (size has nothing to do with it). One lady came from a culture which

doesn\'t advocate daily bathing, for example. She was an okay dancer but holding her in closed dance position was

a trial in endurance.

I get very good reactions from younger women, but some of the women my own age will flirt

with me. Some women just like to flirt. It really doesn\'t mean anything to them. They are having fun. But the

fact that they want to have fun with me is a good sign.

MadMaxx

12-24-2003, 07:59 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
LOL...this

thread is turning into the blind leading the blind. The dude talking about the women being \"ashamed\" is not

talking about dancing at all.

<hr /></blockquote>

As for the dance scene, I can

tell you that I\'ve been taking dance lessons for over a year (that includes privates and classes) and I have

usually not refused to dance with anyone, even though there were a few ladies I would have preferred not to (size

has nothing to do with it). One lady came from a culture which doesn\'t advocate daily bathing, for example. She

was an okay dancer but holding her in closed dance position was a trial in endurance.

I get very good reactions

from younger women, but some of the women my own age will flirt with me. Some women just like to flirt. It really

doesn\'t mean anything to them. They are having fun. But the fact that they want to have fun with me is a good

sign.

<hr /></blockquote>

So, you and I both know how the dance scene works. The

\"unwritten rule\" seems to be that you don\'t refuse people unless you have a really good, honest excuse, or

whatever. You, like me, won\'t refuse any woman, even if she reeks like a fetid pig in a stye. You did not

mention, however, whether or when you get refused. That is more the issue here. Us men might be kinder in not

refusing any woman. I think women are more apt to do refusing, from what I have seen. I have seen it, and I have

been refused enough times, but I don\'t think I have ever seen a woman get refused. I basically feel that my

\"refusal rate\" is too high; we\'re not talking sky-high here, but probably higher than anyone else in my

environment. Obviously, this bothers me, but I cannot rectify the situation without knowing what the problem

is.
So, Friendly1, any experiences with being repeatedly refused by certain women?

Friendly1

12-24-2003, 10:28 PM

I am rarely refused

when I invite a woman to dance. But then, I do try to read body language.

Atomicboy

12-28-2003, 01:51 PM

Mad Max, good to know

that JB #1 is still working for you. I also think you should try dance class without the mix and see if your refusal

rate drops. Your refusal rate will also drop if you get rich and famous. That\'s my next move.

-Atomic

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CptKipling

12-28-2003, 03:25 PM

JAMBAT?!?!

SwingerMD

12-28-2003, 03:45 PM

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JAMBAT?!?!

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. . . /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif . . . . Has the Might Jambat

returned? Where have you been?

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 -SwingerMD

Atomicboy

12-28-2003, 06:33 PM

Swinger, I\'ve been

mastering the might of the atom! (I\'ve been neglecting my secondary super identity). But the bat is back! I\'ve

been busy trying to put somethings together for 2004. I\'m hoping that I can make some major money next year. (To

buy more \'mones ofcourse why else). But I\'ve got a lot of things I\'m looking to do so I need to get my act

together. And everything seems to have fallen into place so I think it\'ll all work out.

-Atomic