View Full Version : Big vs. Small Weight
MadMaxx
12-13-2003, 07:19 PM
Can anyone outline
the difference between working out with a small amount of weight versus much greater weight. I have heard things
such as that using heavy weights will build strength/power and size, while using small weights will only \"tone\"
your muscles.
The reason I want to get this straight is because I have limited options. I cannot/will not take
the time to go to a gym. Thus, I work out only at home. Since I live in a TINY apartment, there is not room for a
proper set of weights or a weight bench. You may find it hard to believe, but I really do live in a \"rabbit
hutch\" over here. Thus, relatively small dumbells is the only thing I can use. They are definitely doing me some
good, increasing my size, and maybe my strength. I am not sure about that one, because I don\'t know how to
measure it. All I know is that I used to do hundreds of reps each time I worked out, and now I am up to thousands,
and seem to be adding on about 1000 reps per week. Since the weights are not that heavy, I do all of my reps with
both arms at the same time. Like if I am doing curls, I do both arms at the same time. The one main thing that sucks
is the time I have to spend to do thousands of reps. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Pancho1188
12-13-2003, 09:41 PM
Honestly,
try not to do more than 15 reps (to reach exhaustion) of an exercise per set (exception: calves you can do sets of
20). If you do any more, you are wasting your time because you\'re not getting as strong of gains as you could be
if you just increased the weight and did less reps.
MadMaxx
12-13-2003, 10:21 PM
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Honestly, try not to do more than 15 reps (to reach
exhaustion) of an exercise per set (exception: calves you can do sets of 20). If you do any more, you are wasting
your time because you\'re not getting as strong of gains as you could be if you just increased the weight and did
less reps.
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What about the \"work\" factor or the \"excercise\"
factor. Couldn\'t there be benefit there? I mean, my goal is not too simply build bigger muscles that are big to
look at.
I will tell you an interesting story. I don\'t whether it has to do with muscle type, stamina or what.
Maybe you have a theory. I grew up on a farm, where you work from morning to night whether you like it not. My
theory is that it breeds stamina, even in your muscles. Example, in university I NEVER exercised or did sports. I
would go skiing for a few days with friends who were total jocks; hockey, football, baseball.....after one day of
skiing they were like \"Oh my god, my legs are in pain....whine, whine, whine.... I can ski for 3-4 days with not
muscles pain whatsoever....
Another story, my sister is a \"normal\" size model-looking woman; grew up working
on the farm. She used to work in the summer tearing out old railway lines, and she outworked every man on the
job(they probably weren\'t farmboys), but rather guys who thought they were really tough, and may have even
looked it because some of them were workout freaks(city boys though)
Another one, the football coach at my high
school used to get the football team out to clean his barn by hand every spring; these guys are jocks; workout
freaks. They were useless as tits on a boar. Any girl in my family good outwork them.
I could go on and on. I
have noticed the same thing again and again. My older brother is a farmer and looks like nothing, but I\'ve seen
him do amazing things.
My best friend and I are basically the same age, and \"equal\" in the sense that
neither of us has done much of anything for about 15 years(in the way of working out or sports). With the same
amount of weight I can do roughly 30 times more reps than he can, with the added difference that he is in pain for 5
days and I am in pain for 0 days. I am ready to mess with anything the next day.
Anyway, I have heard what you
said before, but I cannot help having my doubts that there is \"no benefit\".
Actually, there is no doubt that
my muscles are growing in size, and I can do more and more every week. In a month my biceps have gone from looking
like nothing special, to looking like there are softballs embedded in my upper arms.
Any thoughts?
Pancho1188
12-14-2003, 12:18 AM
You raise
great points. I\'m sure you have unbelievable stamina from working all day on a farm... The body can do amazing
things when it needs to. However, notice that not once did I say there was \"no benefit\"... I simply use the
law of diminishing returns. Sure, I could lift a 1-pound weight 3,000,000 times, but the benefit I get from doing
that many reps with such little weight is so much less than if I pumped the weight up to 100 pounds and did 10 reps.
That\'s all I\'m saying. I\'m also not saying that you shouldn\'t work on your stamina. Do as many SETS
as you want... That\'ll build stamina like hell... However, you didn\'t isolate one particular muscle for 5
minutes straight without rest on the farm, did you? Hell no. You used groups of muscles and did repetitions and
switched muscle groups...Translation: You repeated a motion such as (please don\'t insult my retardation of making
up crappy examples of what you would do on a farm; I admit the analogy I\'m about to use is horrible; thanks in
advance for not being pissed or making fun of me) moving bales of hay from a truck to a barn or picking up large
objects or tearing it up with some \"don\'t #%@# with me\" farm tools like the pitchfork... So you did one
motion for a while, and then switched it up when you moved on to a different task. You might\'ve worked the same
muscle groups 1,000 times that day, but most of the time you didn\'t use it up all at once. I hope that makes
more sense than I so horribly explained. You can still do it your way, and it will work if you do it correctly, but
I\'m just trying to help you diversify. Remember: The most important part is that you\'re willing to work hard.
You\'ll be successful.
In summary, IMHO many sets with a smaller # of reps will get you better gains overall,
and if you want to work on that iron-man stamina of yours just increase the # of sets. Also, I\'ve heard that
some people would argue that up to 20 reps is okay, but I\'ve never heard anyone go above that for maximizing your
muscle development.
By the way, lifting heavy weight doesn\'t automatically mean you\'ll be big, bulky, and
have veins sticking out of every place imaginable. Just look at me. Check out my site. I\'ve been working out
for 6 years. I\'m still a skinny one. I just look good naked. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Women are free to stop by my place to verify that statement. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Can anyone outline the difference between working
out with a small amount of weight versus much greater weight. I have heard things such as that using heavy weights
will build strength/power and size, while using small weights will only \"tone\" your muscles.
The reason I
want to get this straight is because I have limited options. I cannot/will not take the time to go to a gym. Thus, I
work out only at home. Since I live in a TINY apartment, there is not room for a proper set of weights or a weight
bench. You may find it hard to believe, but I really do live in a \"rabbit hutch\" over here. Thus, relatively
small dumbells is the only thing I can use. They are definitely doing me some good, increasing my size, and maybe my
strength. I am not sure about that one, because I don\'t know how to measure it. All I know is that I used to do
hundreds of reps each time I worked out, and now I am up to thousands, and seem to be adding on about 1000 reps per
week. Since the weights are not that heavy, I do all of my reps with both arms at the same time. Like if I am doing
curls, I do both arms at the same time. The one main thing that sucks is the time I have to spend to do thousands of
reps. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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My
trainer keeps telling me \"heavier weight, fewer reps.\" He says that lifting lighter weights with more reps is my
aerobic. He says to use the heaviest weught that one can lift, without injury, and work to muscle fairlure.
MadMaxx
12-14-2003, 07:20 AM
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Can anyone outline the difference between working out with a small amount of
weight versus much greater weight. I have heard things such as that using heavy weights will build strength/power
and size, while using small weights will only \"tone\" your muscles.
The reason I want to get this straight is
because I have limited options. I cannot/will not take the time to go to a gym. Thus, I work out only at home. Since
I live in a TINY apartment, there is not room for a proper set of weights or a weight bench. You may find it hard to
believe, but I really do live in a \"rabbit hutch\" over here. Thus, relatively small dumbells is the only thing I
can use. They are definitely doing me some good, increasing my size, and maybe my strength. I am not sure about that
one, because I don\'t know how to measure it. All I know is that I used to do hundreds of reps each time I worked
out, and now I am up to thousands, and seem to be adding on about 1000 reps per week. Since the weights are not that
heavy, I do all of my reps with both arms at the same time. Like if I am doing curls, I do both arms at the same
time. The one main thing that sucks is the time I have to spend to do thousands of reps.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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My trainer
keeps telling me \"heavier weight, fewer reps.\" He says that lifting lighter weights with more reps is my
aerobic. He says to use the heaviest weught that one can lift, without injury, and work to muscle fairlure.
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Please clarify one thing; does he say that it is okay to do your
lighter weights also, for your \"aerobic\", or is he implying that you shouldn\'t do your lighter ones at all?
MadMaxx
12-14-2003, 07:30 AM
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In summary, IMHO many sets with a smaller # of
reps will get you better gains overall, and if you want to work on that iron-man stamina of yours just increase the
# of sets. Also, I\'ve heard that some people would argue that up to 20 reps is okay, but I\'ve never heard
anyone go above that for maximizing your muscle development.
By the way, lifting heavy weight doesn\'t
automatically mean you\'ll be big, bulky, and have veins sticking out of every place imaginable. Just look at me.
Check out my site. I\'ve been working out for 6 years. I\'m still a skinny one. I just look good naked.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Women are free to stop by my place to verify that statement.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Sorry to piss you of Pancho. Thanks for the thoughts. I am sure you must
be right, since everyone seems to say the same thing. As for what happens to a guy when using big weights, I would
imagine that it depends on the person. However, though you are still \"skinny\" after six years, I guarantee you I
wouldn\'t be if I got into heavy weight training. I have very noticeable gains in muscle size just from a farily
short time of doing my very wasteful and inefficient workout with relatively light weights.
I am curious, since I
have never been into working out in my life; how much weight on small dumbells would a guy like yourself be using to
work your arms/chest? If I am going to invest in some weights, I want to make sure I don\'t waste money by going
too small in the beginning.
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Can anyone
outline the difference between working out with a small amount of weight versus much greater weight. I have heard
things such as that using heavy weights will build strength/power and size, while using small weights will only
\"tone\" your muscles.
The reason I want to get this straight is because I have limited options. I cannot/will
not take the time to go to a gym. Thus, I work out only at home. Since I live in a TINY apartment, there is not room
for a proper set of weights or a weight bench. You may find it hard to believe, but I really do live in a \"rabbit
hutch\" over here. Thus, relatively small dumbells is the only thing I can use. They are definitely doing me some
good, increasing my size, and maybe my strength. I am not sure about that one, because I don\'t know how to
measure it. All I know is that I used to do hundreds of reps each time I worked out, and now I am up to thousands,
and seem to be adding on about 1000 reps per week. Since the weights are not that heavy, I do all of my reps with
both arms at the same time. Like if I am doing curls, I do both arms at the same time. The one main thing that sucks
is the time I have to spend to do thousands of reps. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
My trainer keeps telling me \"heavier weight, fewer reps.\" He says that
lifting lighter weights with more reps is my aerobic. He says to use the heaviest weught that one can lift, without
injury, and work to muscle fairlure.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Please clarify one thing;
does he say that it is okay to do your lighter weights also, for your \"aerobic\", or is he implying that you
shouldn\'t do your lighter ones at all?
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Since he\'s only
training me on resistence, he is suggesting I don\'t use lighter weights, at all. He knows that I do other things
for aerobic conditioning.
He says that as soon as I can do about 15 reps, I need to \"up\" the weight stack,
rather than increasing the reps.
Pancho1188
12-14-2003, 09:37 AM
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I have very noticeable gains in muscle size just
from a farily short time of doing my very wasteful and inefficient workout with relatively light weights.
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Hey, man. First of all, I wasn\'t mad at all. Secondly, it\'s
not wasteful if it works for you... Maybe inefficient compared to the theorized \"maximizing\" (as in the way to
get the greatest gains in a given time) way to work out, but not wasteful. If you work hard and you see results,
how is that wasteful? I\'m just saying that you may show increased gains in physical ability if you lower the
reps per set. Let me think of a hypothetical example:
Let\'s say you do this:
Dumbbell Rows
3
sets
50 reps
60 pounds (30 for each hand)
Switch that to this:
Dumbbell Rows
3 sets
10-15
reps
120 pounds (60 for each hand)
Reverse Flies
3 sets
10-15 reps
40 pounds (20 each)
The
second one allows you to hit the same muscle group in different ways as well as working your muscles to exhaustion
faster. Remember, increasing your stamina with higher weights increases your stamina with lower
weights.
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I am curious, since I have never
been into working out in my life; how much weight on small dumbells would a guy like yourself be using to work your
arms/chest? If I am going to invest in some weights, I want to make sure I don\'t waste money by going too small
in the beginning.
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I honestly have no idea if my lifting
ability would be similar to yours. I know I can lift almost twice as much as anyone I\'ve ever worked out with
who doesn\'t work out much, a lot more than people my own weight, but not as much as people who have about 50 lbs.
on me and can bench press a car. That word of warning being said, I\'ll try to help (at the risk of being made
fun of for how much I can lift /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif):
Using dumbbells, I usually use ~30-pound dumbbells (60
pounds total) for incline dumbbell curls (harder than sitting straight up) and ~60-pound dumbbells (120 total) for
incline, decline, and flat bench press. I usually see people use 45-55\'s for dumbbell bench presses at the gym,
and I usually see people use 20-45 for curls. However, the higher end for curls usually involves CHEATING where the
guy swings his whole body to get the damn weight up.
That all being said, if you don\'t want to spend money
on non-adjustable dumbbells, you can always go to Wal-Mart (if you have one close; I don\'t know where you live so
that\'s a big assumption. Sorry if I\'m wrong. Also, you can go somewhere else, but I think cheap and
that\'s why I said Wal-Mart) and get some adjustable dumbbells along with various weights so you can vary your
weight as much as you want. These do tend to get annoying because you have to adjust the weight (which means you
have to spin that damn clamp on and off /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) for every exercise, but
it\'s a lot more flexible than buying regular weights.
Let me know if any of this makes sense because I
just woke up and am kind of out of it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Holmes
12-14-2003, 09:42 AM
Decline
curls?
Holmes
Elana
12-14-2003, 09:49 AM
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Decline curls?
Holmes
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franki
12-14-2003, 09:52 AM
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Decline curls?
Holmes
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Sounds like my exercise routine..
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belgareth
12-14-2003, 09:54 AM
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I am sure you must be right, since everyone
seems to say the same thing. As for what happens to a guy when using big weights, I would imagine that it depends on
the person. However, though you are still \"skinny\" after six years, I guarantee you I wouldn\'t be if I got
into heavy weight training. I have very noticeable gains in muscle size just from a farily short time of doing my
very wasteful and inefficient workout with relatively light weights.
I am curious, since I have never been into
working out in my life; how much weight on small dumbells would a guy like yourself be using to work your
arms/chest? If I am going to invest in some weights, I want to make sure I don\'t waste money by going too small
in the beginning.
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There are some who strongly disagree with the
idea of simply building muscle mass. I\'ve been involved in martial arts since I was a teenager. The three masters
I\'ve worked with all discouraged heavy weight llifting and pushed lots of reps with small weights along with
stamina building llike runnning and bicycling. The reason are obvious as you move into the higher belts. The people
with the big muscles are not as fast, balance or graceful. They also lose quite a bit of limberness. It may sound
good to be able to lift hundreds of pounds a few times but it really does you little good.
IMHO, the women who
work out in martial arts are some of the sexiest around. They have a wonderful fluid grace in their movements that
is almost impossible to achieve any other way. They tell me the same is true of men who spend a lot of their time in
the dojo. Big muscles may look impressive but have you ever seen a graceful weight lifter?
Pancho1188
12-14-2003, 10:16 AM
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Decline curls?
Holmes
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I meant Incline curls. Thanks for pointing that out, Holmes. You
always manage to save my ass. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Pancho1188
12-14-2003, 10:20 AM
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Big muscles may look impressive but have you ever
seen a graceful weight lifter?
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Yes: Male cheerleaders and male
ballet dancers. They can throw women around and still do flips, twirls, etc. I wouldn\'t put it past them for
beating my ass, too. Then they\'ll gracefully dance over my bloody carcass...
Elana
12-14-2003, 10:28 AM
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male ballet dancers.
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belgareth
12-14-2003, 10:36 AM
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Yes: Male cheerleaders and male ballet dancers.
They can throw women around and still do flips, twirls, etc. I wouldn\'t put it past them for beating my ass, too.
Then they\'ll gracefully dance over my bloody carcass...
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Shows
how laughably little you know about the arts. But then, most weight lifters really don\'t have the ability or
focus to stay with martial arts long enough to develop any skills. It\'s pretty hard to take somebody seriously
when they spend that much time developing muscles so large they restrict their movement to the degree that they
can\'t scratch the back of their neck. Who would want to lumber around like that? Then there is the issue of
getting older, watching those big worthless muscles turn to flab, that\'s always entertaining.
Pancho1188
12-14-2003, 11:41 AM
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Yes: Male cheerleaders and male ballet dancers. They can throw women around
and still do flips, twirls, etc. I wouldn\'t put it past them for beating my ass, too. Then they\'ll gracefully
dance over my bloody carcass...
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Shows how laughably little you
know about the arts. But then, most weight lifters really don\'t have the ability or focus to stay with martial
arts long enough to develop any skills. It\'s pretty hard to take somebody seriously when they spend that much
time developing muscles so large they restrict their movement to the degree that they can\'t scratch the back of
their neck. Who would want to lumber around like that? Then there is the issue of getting older, watching those big
worthless muscles turn to flab, that\'s always entertaining.
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Shows how laughably little you know about working out. There\'s a difference between weight
lifters and body builders. I\'m a weight lifter, but I\'m not a body builder. Male cheerleaders and ballet
dancers work out extensively, and they\'re strong, limber, and everything else. I think we just got into a
miscommunication over the difference between weight lifting and body building. I agree that body builders are less
flexible and probably couldn\'t do martial arts as well, but you\'re also stereotyping body builders as big apes
with no ability to develop skills in other areas. You also said that they wouldn\'t have the focus when they
apparently have the focus and discipline to eat and exercise in an unbelievably strenuous regimine.
Sorry for
mocking you, I just came off the Saddam thing and am a little defensive.
belgareth
12-14-2003, 11:56 AM
That\'s
kind of funny because I am in agreement with you about Iraq.
In the 30 plus years I have been working out at
various dojos I have seen many weight lifters come and go. Not a single one has stayed with it for any length of
time. I\'ve also seen quite a few people drop out or lose skill when they developed too much muscle mass. But to
be fair, the best in my dojo right now is a lady with about 20 years ballet experience before she got into the arts.
Dancers of either gender are already a step ahead of us who never learned it.
Sometime go visit a dojo with
women who have been practicing for a few years. They are such a pleasure to watch because their movements are so
graceful. While self defense is worthwhile, the best reason to practice the arts is the conditioning, skill and self
confidence it teaches you. Once you get good at it, your sense of self confidence and well being just seem to
radiate from you. You can almost always pick out somebody in a crowd who is involved in the arts.
Elana
12-14-2003, 12:08 PM
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That\'s kind of funny because I am in agreement
with you about Iraq.
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How do you know that? He didn\'t take a
side. Remember..devil\'s advocate /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
belgareth
12-14-2003, 12:11 PM
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That\'s kind of funny because I am in agreement with you about Iraq.
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How do you know that? He didn\'t take a side.
Remember..devil\'s advocate /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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Ok, to rephrase, I agree with the devil\'s advocate\'s position. But since he is getting
pretty emotional about it, I am assuming he is stating his belief.
Pancho1188
12-14-2003, 12:11 PM
I can
understand that. I was involved in Taekwondo as a teenager. It was very rewarding. I wish I had time to go back
to it because I liked the increased flexibility, confidence, ability, and peace of mind. I find it strange,
however, that you find a lack of weight lifters in the martial arts. My friend actually goes to the gym and karate
class back-to-back. This guy is a tank. I wouldn\'t be surprised if he could kill a man with his bare hands, yet
he is also very gentle, kind, and...what\'s the word...honorable....humble...respectful...one of those words. All
of those words. This guy is awesome. Maybe we are just two exceptions to the rule. That may be true.
I\'d
like to hear about your experiences with martial arts if you ever have a second. It sounds interesting.
Holmes
12-14-2003, 12:17 PM
Both Pancho and
Belgareth make good points. IMHO.
Holmes
Elana
12-14-2003, 12:19 PM
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Both Pancho and Belgareth make good points.
IMHO.
Holmes
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif yes
belgareth
12-14-2003, 12:19 PM
Karate may be
different, I\'ve never been involved in that art. Tae Kwon Do and Kung Foo are the two I have been involved in. In
either of those I have never seen a really muscular person who could keep up.
MadMaxx
12-15-2003, 07:59 AM
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That\'s kind of funny because I am in agreement
with you about Iraq.
In the 30 plus years I have been working out at various dojos I have seen many weight
lifters come and go. Not a single one has stayed with it for any length of time. I\'ve also seen quite a few
people drop out or lose skill when they developed too much muscle mass. But to be fair, the best in my dojo right
now is a lady with about 20 years ballet experience before she got into the arts. Dancers of either gender are
already a step ahead of us who never learned it.
Sometime go visit a dojo with women who have been practicing
for a few years. They are such a pleasure to watch because their movements are so graceful. While self defense is
worthwhile, the best reason to practice the arts is the conditioning, skill and self confidence it teaches you. Once
you get good at it, your sense of self confidence and well being just seem to radiate from you. You can almost
always pick out somebody in a crowd who is involved in the arts.
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Hmmm...I like all this talk of dance. I love ballet and have always admired the strength and
grace of ballet dancers....nothing is worse than listening to idiots who lable ballet dancers as pussies; I know a
lot of them don\'t like pussy, but that certainly doesn\'t make them pussies. Having said that, latin dance is
my obsession bigtime. It is actually the reason that I started working out. My theory is that it helps to be a
narcissist if you want to be a dancer; though it is not essential, since I dance with enough fat slobs, however,
they will never look \"good\", meaning they will never look like sexy, powerful, graceful woman-eaters, which is
what I think Latin dancers should look like. Belgareth has got me thinking that maybe I should maybe stick to the
way I work out, if that is what his \"masters\" recommend for martial arts.
Bottle
03-28-2004, 05:08 PM
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Can anyone outline the difference between working
out with a small amount of weight versus much greater weight. I have heard things such as that using heavy weights
will build strength/power and size, while using small weights will only \"tone\" your muscles.
The reason I
want to get this straight is because I have limited options. I cannot/will not take the time to go to a gym. Thus, I
work out only at home. Since I live in a TINY apartment, there is not room for a proper set of weights or a weight
bench. You may find it hard to believe, but I really do live in a \"rabbit hutch\" over here. Thus, relatively
small dumbells is the only thing I can use. They are definitely doing me some good, increasing my size, and maybe my
strength. I am not sure about that one, because I don\'t know how to measure it. All I know is that I used to do
hundreds of reps each time I worked out, and now I am up to thousands, and seem to be adding on about 1000 reps per
week. Since the weights are not that heavy, I do all of my reps with both arms at the same time. Like if I am doing
curls, I do both arms at the same time. The one main thing that sucks is the time I have to spend to do thousands of
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yeah
doing 1000\'s is a waste of time...I feel ya, I was in your position for years...but now have a bigger
place...this month I\'m investing in a proper bench and set of free weights...I do a lot of stuff at home, so
running of to a gym is inconvenient for me at the moment.
CptKipling
03-29-2004, 11:06 AM
Lots of low
intensity reps is primarily increasing stamina (blood flow to muscles, metabolic rate, glucose storage etc.),
whereas heavier weights are stressing your muscle fibres more. This causes you muscles to produce more fibres
(increase mass) to reduce the stress on the individual fibres, sharing the load.
Icarus
03-29-2004, 11:09 AM
Bang on the
money.
Good work Cpt.
Steve
DZorro
04-04-2004, 01:37 PM
I just bought
some heavyweight equipement, to get me in better shape, i also got a new programm from the internet.
So hopefully
by the summer starts here in the Netherlands, i\'m back in good shape.
The only thing i have to watch out for is
to get a healthy diet too.
DZorro,
jago25_98
04-06-2004, 11:06 AM
- small
weights, high rep = small muscle but strong (high power for thier wieght, aka Bruce Lee)
- heavy wieghts, low rep
= muscle rip, bulky but weak (aka Arnie)
shizzledizzle
04-06-2004, 01:07 PM
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- small weights, high rep = small muscle but strong
(high power for thier wieght, aka Bruce Lee)
- heavy wieghts, low rep = muscle rip, bulky but weak (aka
Arnie)
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That\'s BS!
Light weight + high reps are for
endurence and heavy weight + low rep are for strenght/mass
I usually use low reps in bulkfase, to increase
strenght and mass, and +/- 12 reprange when cutting up
ps. muscle ripness doesn\'t has anything to do
with training, but with dieting. When having a low bodyfat%, muscles will look ripped.
BigBear
04-07-2004, 03:11 PM
Okay
gang!
Im have\'nt been around this forum much, but I been reading this thread and I look at that little squirt
and cant belive he can benchpress a little more than even ME! i just cant believe it. but maybe he can?
But very
funny thread i\'m laughin. Rashhedhamhok you\'re a cutie, but no way you can lift that much, hun, can you
really?
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Icarus
04-07-2004, 03:17 PM
Hey Mr
Bear.
Where did the rest of the thread go? I guess some of it was a little bit \'off\'....
Steve
RasheedHamok
04-07-2004, 03:32 PM
it is ok
some people think i go too far but i am just a nice guy who is misunderstood i will be friends now i still did not
get to try out pheramones yet. why fight when we have mones. these mones rule
Icarus
04-07-2004, 03:35 PM
mones rule,
eh?
Holmes
04-07-2004, 03:50 PM
Yes they do!
Especially on a dove in the darkness.
Holmes
CptKipling
04-10-2004, 10:48 AM
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