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ToBeOrNotToBe
12-09-2003, 11:27 AM
For anyone that

has an idea of what it is, can you share with us what you think of it?

For those who don\'t know the real

meaning of this, check the following sites. They\'re just examples, of course. Seem fake, but it\'s just to let

you know what I am talking

about.


http://www.theultimatepersuasionformula.com (\"http://www.theultimatepersuasionformula.com\")



http://hypnotic-seduction.com/ (\"http://hypnotic-seduction.com/\")

http://a1hypnosis.com/remoteseduction/ (\"http://a1hypnosis.com/

remoteseduction/\")

belgareth
12-09-2003, 11:43 AM
Do you have

this incredible, irrestible urge to buy these products? If so, maybe the techniques work.

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Kari
12-09-2003, 11:58 AM
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Do you have this incredible, irrestible urge to buy

these products? If so, maybe the techniques work. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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They don\'t.. a professional hypnotist tried it on me, once. That is,

one can allow the trance state, but selectively rejects the suggestions.

belgareth
12-09-2003, 12:15 PM
I understand

hypnosis and was being facetious. If those people are capable of such powerful suggestions, why are they hawking

their wares over the web. If I could do that I would be rich and kicking back on a beach somewhere, not trying to

make a buck over the web.

It\'s really not any different than the pheromone sites that promise all these

incredible results from mones. You know, irresistible to women etc. Same BS just a different product.

Pancho1188
12-09-2003, 12:26 PM
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By using this Amazingly Powerful, yet Easy-To-Use

Method, YOU will have the ability to Telepathically Project and Insert Sexually Stimulating Images deep into
her

sub-conscious mind....

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Elana, SRH, Kari, and SSG...You are now

starting to feel slightly aroused... Myesssss... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Paaaaaaaaaancho..........Paaaaaaaaaancho.......... .....

*Rolls Eyes*

On a serious note, they tap into

the same things that pheromone sellers do... It\'s the, \"Want to have women be strangely attracted to you?

Want to have women flock to you?\" approach. Honestly, I\'d say that posting those links would be almost like

posting competitors\' sites on this forum, no matter how stupid you may think you\'d have to be to buy into it.

I could see if Bruce or the moderators could think that you\'d have to be crazy to leave this for that, though. I

don\'t know. It\'s funny, but I also wouldn\'t count out the fact that the brain is a powerful thing because

we all agree that changing your mindset will get you more girls, you just won\'t be able to \"telepathically

implant sexual fantasies into their minds\"...

Back to the sarcasm...

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I have a new product myself. I hope Bruce doesn\'t remove

this post because of my advertising... It\'s called \"The Gym\"... If you go to \"The Gym\", you will have a

physique you only once dreamed of...women will be more attracted to you, and you\'ll feel more confident in social

situations. The only downside is that you\'ll have to buy new clothes to fit your new super-manly physique...

Pay me $19.95 and I\'ll show you the magical secrets of \"The Gym\"...



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ToBeOrNotToBe
12-09-2003, 12:43 PM
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I have a new product myself. I hope Bruce doesn\'t

remove this post because of my advertising... It\'s called \"The Gym\"... If you go to \"The Gym\", you will

have a physique you only once dreamed of...women will be more attracted to you, and you\'ll feel more confident in

social situations. The only downside is that you\'ll have to buy new clothes to fit your new super-manly

physique... Pay me $19.95 and I\'ll show you the magical secrets of \"The Gym\"...


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Does it have unconditional money back guarantee?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif How do I know

it\'s not a scam? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

ToBeOrNotToBe
12-09-2003, 12:47 PM
Well,

almost everyone here seems to agree that pheromones DO work, although these pheromone companies tend to exagerate

the effects, of course. So, if you\'re relating hypnosis and pheromones, perhaps that method has more to

\"tell\" than we probably think... don\'t you agree?

belgareth
12-09-2003, 12:55 PM
No, I am

relating misleading advertising techniques. Most pheromone sites make wild claims we all know are BS. The same can

be said about the hypnosis sites.

Icarus
12-09-2003, 01:04 PM
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I have a new product myself. I hope Bruce

doesn\'t remove this post because of my advertising... It\'s called \"The Gym\"... If you go to \"The Gym\",

you will have a physique you only once dreamed of...women will be more attracted to you, and you\'ll feel more

confident in social situations. The only downside is that you\'ll have to buy new clothes to fit your new

super-manly physique... Pay me $19.95 and I\'ll show you the magical secrets of \"The Gym\"...

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It a gip! My brother has been using Pancho\'s product for about a

month now and all he got was flabby manbreasts!! But when he checked the smallprint, it said \'possibility of

developing saggy manbreasts\'

They allways getcha in the smallprint.

As for hypnosis... wear a loud shirt

and tell your &lt;ahem&gt; target that it is a magic eye print. As she is moving in and out, squinting at

your chest....

Rabbit Punch her on the back of the head then carry her off.

you can then duct-tape her to a

chair.

You could also cut one of her ears off while dancing around her, then douse her in

gasoline.

Umm..

Hypnosis is fun. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Steve

Kari
12-09-2003, 03:12 PM
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
By using this Amazingly Powerful, yet Easy-To-Use Method, YOU will have the

ability to Telepathically Project and Insert Sexually Stimulating Images deep into
her sub-conscious mind....



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Elana, SRH, Kari, and SSG...You are now starting to feel slightly

aroused... Myesssss... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Paaaaaaaaaancho..........Paaaaaaaaaancho.......... .....

*Rolls Eyes*

On a serious note, they tap into

the same things that pheromone sellers do... It\'s the, \"Want to have women be strangely attracted to you?

Want to have women flock to you?\" approach. Honestly, I\'d say that posting those links would be almost like

posting competitors\' sites on this forum, no matter how stupid you may think you\'d have to be to buy into it.

I could see if Bruce or the moderators could think that you\'d have to be crazy to leave this for that, though. I

don\'t know. It\'s funny, but I also wouldn\'t count out the fact that the brain is a powerful thing because

we all agree that changing your mindset will get you more girls, you just won\'t be able to \"telepathically

implant sexual fantasies into their minds\"...

Back to the sarcasm...

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I have a new product myself. I hope Bruce doesn\'t remove

this post because of my advertising... It\'s called \"The Gym\"... If you go to \"The Gym\", you will have a

physique you only once dreamed of...women will be more attracted to you, and you\'ll feel more confident in social

situations. The only downside is that you\'ll have to buy new clothes to fit your new super-manly physique...

Pay me $19.95 and I\'ll show you the magical secrets of \"The Gym\"...



/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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WAIT, Pancho!

It\'s working! I HAVE to have you, Pancho! Take me here, take me now! Pancho... you\'re the best I\'ve ever

had! ARRRRRRGGGHH!

Kari
12-09-2003, 03:13 PM
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I have a new product myself. I hope Bruce doesn\'t remove this post because

of my advertising... It\'s called \"The Gym\"... If you go to \"The Gym\", you will have a physique you only

once dreamed of...women will be more attracted to you, and you\'ll feel more confident in social situations. The

only downside is that you\'ll have to buy new clothes to fit your new super-manly physique... Pay me $19.95 and

I\'ll show you the magical secrets of \"The Gym\"...


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Does

it have unconditional money back guarantee? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif How do I know it\'s not a scam?

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Oh, honey!

He\'s SO right about the gym! Great hunting ground, and you get a great bod, at the same time.

I mean, your

OWN bod gets great, and you can get other great bods, too. &lt;g&gt;

Sagacious1420
12-09-2003, 06:01 PM
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/>
http://a1hypnosis.com/remoteseduction/ (\"http://a1hypnosis.com/remoteseduction/\")

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Hey, does that mean you can use A1 to hypnotize your target?

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ToBeOrNotToBe
12-10-2003, 06:38 AM
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I have a new

product myself. I hope Bruce doesn\'t remove this post because of my advertising... It\'s called \"The

Gym\"... If you go to \"The Gym\", you will have a physique you only once dreamed of...women will be more

attracted to you, and you\'ll feel more confident in social situations. The only downside is that you\'ll have

to buy new clothes to fit your new super-manly physique... Pay me $19.95 and I\'ll show you the magical secrets of

\"The Gym\"...


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Does it have unconditional money back

guarantee? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif How

do I know it\'s not a scam? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Oh, honey! He\'s SO right about the gym! Great hunting ground, and you get a great bod, at

the same time.

I mean, your OWN bod gets great, and you can get other great bods, too. &lt;g&gt;

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yeah, I\'ve used that product \"the gym\" with some success, I must

say... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Elana
12-10-2003, 07:09 AM
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yeah, I\'ve used that product \"the gym\" with

some success, I must say...


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I can certainly vouch for that!

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franki
12-10-2003, 07:11 AM
I may be weird, but

I can\'t stand it when it is busy at the gym. I can\'t concentrate on my exercises at all if people are walking

past me all the time or are talking around me. Most of the time I go late at night when I am almost alone in the

gym.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Elana
12-10-2003, 07:13 AM
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I may be weird, but I can\'t stand it when it is

busy at the gym. I can\'t concentrate on my exercises at all if people are walking past me all the time or are

talking around me. Most of the time I go late at night when I am almost alone in the gym..

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I understand

that. If you are there to seriously workout and not play, the background stuff can be distracting.

Pancho1188
12-10-2003, 08:28 AM
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I may be weird, but I can\'t stand it when it is busy at the gym. I

can\'t concentrate on my exercises at all if people are walking past me all the time or are talking around me.

Most of the time I go late at night when I am almost alone in the gym..

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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I understand

that. If you are there to seriously workout and not play, the background stuff can be distracting.

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Perfect equation: Hard-core set for 30 seconds, staring at hot women---I

mean resting for 90 seconds or so...

Unfortunately, women around here are intimidated by the weight room or

believe in the fallacy that women will get \'bulky\' if they lift, so I don\'t see any hot girls in my gym...

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I agree that I like to have things to myself so I can just

lift, listen to music, and be \"In the Zone\". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Kari
12-10-2003, 08:54 AM
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I may be

weird, but I can\'t stand it when it is busy at the gym. I can\'t concentrate on my exercises at all if people

are walking past me all the time or are talking around me. Most of the time I go late at night when I am almost

alone in the gym.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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class=\"post\">

I understand that. If you are there to seriously workout and not play, the background stuff can

be distracting.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Perfect equation: Hard-core set for 30 seconds,

staring at hot women---I mean resting for 90 seconds or so...

Unfortunately, women around here are intimidated by

the weight room or believe in the fallacy that women will get \'bulky\' if they lift, so I don\'t see any hot

girls in my gym... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I agree that I like to have things to myself

so I can just lift, listen to music, and be \"In the Zone\". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



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Not me... I often visit the free weight room. I AM, however,

amazed at the number of women (NOT the ones who attend my gym-- they know better)think that women who lift will trun

into the CA governor.

Um... Hello! Women don\'t produce enough testosterone.

Holmes
12-10-2003, 08:54 AM
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I may be weird, but I can\'t stand it when it is

busy at the gym. I can\'t concentrate on my exercises at all if people are walking past me all the time or are

talking around me.

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My thoughts exactly.


Holmes

Pancho1188
12-10-2003, 08:59 AM
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I may be weird, but I can\'t stand it when it is busy at the gym. I

can\'t concentrate on my exercises at all if people are walking past me all the time or are talking around me.



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My thoughts exactly.


Holmes

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Holmes and Franki really like to be alone in the gym so they can stare at their sexy bodies in

the mirrors while they\'re working out...Too bad they\'re disappointing many females by depriving them of their

sexiness...

\"I think you underestimate the sexiness...\"

Pancho

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Sacogoo
12-10-2003, 09:11 AM
Elana writes:


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I can certainly vouch for that!

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And the video store, and the grocery store, and the landromat, and the

prison, and the stockyard, and the slaughterhouse, and the city dump, and the...

I think that it would be more

appropriate (and easier) to name places where an attractive woman WASN\'T hit on then in the places she was. I

mean, seriously. A chick with a smoking bod wrapped in lycra looking for compliments at a gym is like a person in

Rome looking for a decent piece of fish on Fridays. It\' ain\'t gonna be that hard.



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I can\'t concentrate on my exercises at all if

people are walking past me all the time or are talking around me. Most of the time I go late at night when I am

almost alone in the gym..

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I like hitting the gym around 10:00 pm.

It helps me time it right so that I\'m naked in the sauna when the cleaning women come in at around

midnight.

Now, where\'s my magic eye shirt? And somebody cue the music: \"Clowns to the left of me, jokers

to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you.\"

Pancho1188
12-10-2003, 09:15 AM
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A chick with a smoking bod wrapped in lycra

looking for compliments at a gym is like a person in Rome looking for a decent piece of fish on Fridays. It\'

ain\'t gonna be that hard.


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Oh, it\'ll be pretty hard,

alright...

Elana
12-10-2003, 09:17 AM
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Elana writes:
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I can certainly vouch for that!

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And the video store, and the grocery store, and the landromat, and the prison, and the

stockyard, and the slaughterhouse, and the city dump, and the...

I think that it would be more appropriate (and

easier) to name places where an attractive woman WASN\'T hit on then in the places she was. I mean, seriously. A

chick with a smoking bod wrapped in lycra looking for compliments at a gym is like a person in Rome looking for a

decent piece of fish on Fridays. It\' ain\'t gonna be that hard.



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class=\"post\">

I wasn\'t talking about myself. I was talking about Tobe, who happens to have a smokin hot

bod. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

ToBeOrNotToBe
12-10-2003, 12:29 PM
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I wasn\'t talking about myself. I was talking

about Tobe, who happens to have a smokin hot bod.

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This is why we

all seem to love Elana! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Icarus
12-10-2003, 04:00 PM
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where\'s my magic eye shirt?

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It\'s in the mail. Practice your rabbit punches.

The people\'s

love of Elana has something to do with solar allignment, golf and \'the hose.\'

How can I put it? &lt;cue

Bill Cosby voice&gt;
\"Yuh see, Elana, is like the Jazz music... She\'ll be around for ever...arh arh arh.\"

etc.

Got I\'m tired...

But I\'m dancin\' Elana! Can ya see?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Can ya see?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ah, who am I kiddin\'?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Steve

Sacogoo
12-10-2003, 04:02 PM
Icarus writes:


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Practice your rabbit punches.

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Are they anything like donkey punches? I\'m good at those.

Icarus
12-10-2003, 04:11 PM
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Are they anything like donkey punches? I\'m good

at those.

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Eek! Degenerate! I cast ye out!

Actually, I was

gonna call it a donkey punch, but then didn\'t as I didn\'t want to get onto this &lt;ahem&gt;

\'topic\'.

Steve /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

CptKipling
12-11-2003, 09:42 AM
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\"I think you underestimate the

sexiness...\"

Pancho /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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franki
12-11-2003, 09:45 AM
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]

Holmes and Franki really like to be alone in

the gym so they can stare at their sexy bodies in the mirrors while they\'re working out...Too bad they\'re

disappointing many females by depriving them of their sexiness...

\"I think you underestimate the

sexiness...\"




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Well, I don\'t look bad, but most of the

time girls look at the ground in situations like that.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Pancho1188
12-11-2003, 10:22 AM
That\'s

because they\'re shy and intimidated by your sexiness... Once again, I think you underestimate the sexiness...

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

dogsbutt
02-08-2004, 11:34 AM
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For anyone that has an idea of what it is, can you

share with us what you think of it?

For those who don\'t know the real meaning of this, check the following

sites. They\'re just examples, of course. Seem fake, but it\'s just to let you know what I am talking

about.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Just to throw in my two cents on this topic, I would say

that MOST of these products do not work, but there are some out there that do.

Of course, their sales letters

make it seem like you take a girl and put her under your spell so that she has no choice but to sleep with you, but

that\'s obviously just marketing.

Nevertheless, just boil it down to one basic principle; make someone else

feel good every time you\'re around, and they will inevitably link some of that to your presence. Have the

confidence to bring up sexual conversations, while making a person feel good, and they will unconsciously link some

of that to you.

Will it work 100%? No. Does one need hypnosis to do this? Of course not. This is pretty

simple stuff. But, where some of these courses excel is learning some EXCELLENT principles on how to make a person

feel really good by understanding who they are as an individual. If you get past the misogyny of the sales letters

(and even some of the products), it\'s a good avenue to get to learn more about people and what\'s going on

inside their heads.

I would say that some of Ross Jeffries\' Speed Seduction stuff is good and works in the

real world (the \"patterns\" he uses are total crap, but using the principles behind them to understand BOTH men

and women is really good). His stuff is at seduction.com

I would say the best stuff out there in this field is

Archer Sloan. His understanding in the field of progressive conditioning is astonishing. And, Demonic Confidence

is easily the best product on the market in terms of breaking through shyness. I said in another post how I have

difficulties in one on one approach and that is being totally obliterated. His stuff is on eBay from time to time.

I haven\'t seen a website.

In short, I wouldn\'t expect \"hypnotic seduction\" to be what the sales letters

claim it to be. Yes, you can use it to gain an advantage in sexual encounters and you can even use it to gain a

great degree of control. I would expect hypnosis to be better used towards understanding other people AND changing

yourself.