SOE: 0.25 or 0.025 mg per drop?

[Sunny]

Hi

all,

while crunching numbers I have came across a problem which should be easy to solve. The question

is:

How many mg of pheromones is in one drop of SOE?

This should be easy, I thought, and consulted

Abductor\'s online calculator. The calculator says 0.25 mg per drop.

This confused me:

Â<font

color=\"red\"> 1 drop = 0.25 mg (according to Abductor\'s calculator)</font>
ÂÂ1 gelpack = 0.13 mg (according

to cookbook)
ÂÂ1 drop = 2 gelpacks (derived by simple logic)

According to this, 1/2 gelpack would equal

1/4 drop. And this is no speculation, it\'s simple maths, using the information from the calculator (1 drop = 0.25

mg) and from the shop website (1 gelpack = 0.13 mg).

Okay, something must be wrong here!

So I tried a

different approach:
Accordung to the shop website, there is a total of 5 mg of pheromones in the 10 ml SOE

bottle. If one drop is 0.05 ml (20 drops per ml), there are 200 drops in a 10 ml SOE bottle. That\'s



ÂÂ<font color=\"red\">5 mg / 200 drops = 0.025 mg per drop !!!</font>

That sounds much better,

because now we have

ÂÂ1 gelpack = 5.3 drops

So could the calculator be wrong and should say 0.025 per

drop instead of 0.25? If that was true, all the output of the calculator which I have used so far would have given

10 times more SOE than what I have actually used...

Or am I totally confused now?
I take the risk of

somebody proving that I am

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Sunny


P.S.
Actually my question is how many

inches (very roughly) one drop equals. Now I got stuck with the other problem. I found about 5-7 inches per drop in

my test (that would mean roughly 30 inches = 1 gelpack if the calculator is wrong and the shop website is right) but

I would really appreciate input from others. Of cause we know that the output of the bottle is not consistent at all

and that there is great variation. I just want a number for my calculations...

[CptKipling]

Total mg per drop should be 0.025, not sure what\'s wrong the the mix calc

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Drops per inch?

It\'s about 28\" per ml, which is

about 0.036 ml per inch. I dont know what volume your dropper gives, so you will have to do the rest.

[abductor]

...
Let me see ...
I taked some values from main table that is used to make all calculations..
The values

is: product pheromone mg/drop. Fields syntax is: (index, product name, none, rone, nol, copu)

INSERT INTO

`phero_table` VALUES (1, \'SOE\', \'0\', \'0.05\', \'0.2\', \'0\');
INSERT INTO `phero_table`

VALUES (2, \'RM\', \'0.025\', \'0\', \'0\', \'0\');
INSERT INTO `phero_table` VALUES (3,

\'NPA\', \'0.024\', \'0\', \'0\', \'0\');

looking at the table above we see that the

value of the RM is correct (RM the has same final value of SoE) But SoE has 2 pheromones. Then I think the correct

value to soe is:

INSERT INTO `phero_table` VALUES (1, \'SOE\', \'0\', \'0.00652\',

\'0.01875\', \'0\');

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[Bruce]

Whoa

guys. These calculations would give a math teacher nightmares. Sunny, you\'re adding apples and oranges all over

the place. For starters the .13 mg in a gel pack is the wt of the pheromones only. That figure is lightyears from

the wt of the product in one of the packets. I would guess that at over a gram which is 10,000 times greater than

the wt of the pheromones contained therein.

Bruce

[Sagacious1420]

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Total mg per drop should be 0.025, not sure

what\'s wrong the the mix calc /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Drops per inch?

It\'s

about 28\" per ml, which is about 0.036 ml per inch. I dont know what volume your dropper gives, so you will have

to do the rest.

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Hmmmmm...very interesting. I\'ve been

estimating about 1 drop for every 2\" or so. Really nothing \"scientific\" about that assumption. I\'ve been

basing it on how much area I can cover after spreading around a drop vs. a \"swipe\". Perhaps I need to rethink

this.?.? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Thanks.

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[abductor]

Folks,
I think this bug is fixed now! Check out

http://mixcalc.sysframe.net/ (\"http://mixcalc.sysframe.net/\")

I used:
0,00625 Nol /

drop
and
0,01875 Rone / drop
Now total phero (nol+rone) is: 0,025/drop

I think now is correct .. Sorry about

that mistake ..
and Thank you Sunny, for debug help !!!


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[abductor]

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Mine two neurons are not communicating at this

time..
It is 4N:1R
then
Correct values :
0,005 NOL
0,02 Rone
Sorry again .. the table is update now!

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[Sagacious1420]

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OPSSSSS

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Mine two neurons are not communicating at this time..
It is

4N:1R
then
Correct values :
0,005 NOL
0,02 Rone
Sorry again .. the table is update now!

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Sorry to be a

pain in the a$$, but if it\'s 4:1 nol:rone, wouldn\'t that be 0.02 nol and 0.005 rone?



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[Sunny]

abductor:
I am really impressed, just left the house and when I came back the error was confirmed and

fixed - excellent job, thank you!!! I use your calculator a lot and really like it.

May I make a suggestion?

Things which would be useful:

- Add \'diluent\' like a product, so that one can include ethanol or cologne in

the total number of drops, then use an input field for how much of the mix I want to use for one dosage. This way it

would be very convenient to answer the question: \"If I mix 5 drops SOE, 3 drops AE... etc. and then 20 drops

cologne, then use 2 sprays of the final mix, what do I get?\"

- allow 4 ingredients plus diluent

Everybody

who has used the calculator previously for any mix containing SOE should try again now! Results will be very

different, you will now have up to 10 times less -rone and -nol in your mix!

Bruce

says:
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For starters the .13 mg in a gel pack is

the wt of the pheromones only. That figure is lightyears from the wt of the product in one of the packets. I would

guess that at over a gram which is 10,000 times greater than the wt of the pheromones contained therein.

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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Bruce, I don\'t question that. You are right! But I did not use the

weight of the final SOE gel product in any calculation. In my original post just substitute \"mg\" with \"mg of

pheromones\", that\'s what I meant. Of cause the weight of the final gel product (which we don\'t know and

don\'t care about) has nothing to do with the weight of the pheromones contained in it.

I value your input

very highly! I am just a beginner tying to learn here. Yet I don\'t understand what kind of error you say I made?

Could you explain more in detail? We found that there was an error in the calculator (which is not directly related

to the gelpacks anyway) and abductor fixed it right away. I am happy now because my calculations look right (well,

to me). Bruce, please don\'t get me wrong, I very much respect your knowledge and experience and won\'t throw

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Sag:
You are right, there

is more -nol than -rone of cause, that must have been a typo by abductor in his last post only, the calculator is

all right now.

CptKipling:
You need 1 ml for 28\"? That\'s a lot for me. If calculate 20 drops for one

ml, that would be 1.4\" for one drop. Okay, if the roller is in good mood and you apply very thick, that could be

right.

Once confused and now -almost- enlightened
Sunny

[Sunny]

Okay,

just for those who are only quickly browsing through this thread:

If you are happy with the idea of getting 2\"

from one drop of SOE (I am getting used to it...) and getting 20 drops from 1 ml liquid SOE, then:

ÂÂÂapprox.

10\" SOE = 5.2 drops = 1 gel pack

[CptKipling]

Correct, except that you probably wont be getting 0.05 ml per drop. Your best bet would be to work out how many

drops per ml you get for yourself, because everyones dropper is different.

[Sunny]

0.05 ml

per drop is what the newbie information thread at the top of this forum says. But that\'s a free-falling drop of

APC from the fingertip (not really what we use every day...). BTW abductor also uses 0.05 ml for his

calculator.

I just checked it using my droppers (the stuff you get in any pharmacy over here) and Ethanol,

measured with a calibrated lab pipette: It\'s only half of this, 0.025 ml per drop! You are right. So one gelpack

would equal more like 10 drops of liquid SOE.

[Henrix]

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abductor:
I am really impressed, just left

the house and when I came back the error was confirmed and fixed - excellent job, thank you!!! I use your calculator

a lot and really like it.

May I make a suggestion? Things which would be useful:

- Add \'diluent\' like a

product, so that one can include ethanol or cologne in the total number of drops, then use an input field for how

much of the mix I want to use for one dosage. This way it would be very convenient to answer the question: \"If I

mix 5 drops SOE, 3 drops AE... etc. and then 20 drops cologne, then use 2 sprays of the final mix, what do I

get?\"

- allow 4 ingredients plus diluent

Everybody who has used the calculator previously for any mix

containing SOE should try again now! Results will be very different, you will now have up to 10 times less -rone and

-nol in your mix!


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Hey

i\'m a newbie to this Pheromone

business - i have seen the calculator and i think it is great, but i, like you, misses the 4th option, so it is

possible to get an idea of how much a dap or one push on the atomizer will give you ( i hope ya understand !!!

)

But i think that you forget to take one thing into consideration and that is how much you get from one

stoke/push on the atomizer.

I\'ve just bought an atomizer myself and i have calculated that it can contains

just above 7 ml. ( to be more precise 7.0685....) and i also have tried to emty the little bottle and it took aprox.

45 strokes ( i don\'t have a life i know ! ) so from one stroke i would get 7.06/45 = 0.15 ml.

I also think

that this would be somehting that needs to be considered

[Sunny]

Hey

Henrix,

you did quite a good measurement with 0.15 ml per spray. The newbie thread says 0.13 ml per one spray

from the TE bottle.

The calculator already has an option for sprays and it also uses 0.13 ml.

I have done a

couple of tests with various spray bottles I have. They range from 0.12 to 0.15 ml. However I am sure that there are

bottles out there which release much more than 0.15 ml (probably quite some cologne bottles) and/or inconsistant

amounts. I haven\'t tested any of those however.

Sunny