View Full Version : Initial results with PPA
AzMike
10-12-2003, 11:16 PM
My field tests of
pheromones have just begun, but after 5 tests with PPA/m, thought I\'d post initial results here. During these 5
trials, I used anywhere from 1 to 3 sprays (using the LS atomizer) of PPA/m (Cool River), alone the first 3 times,
and with 1 to 2 drops of SP \"musk\" oil added the last 2 times. Applications were to the neck and chest for the
most part, with tiny amounts applied to the wrists.
What I have tried to observe is anything out of the ordinary,
in the way people react to me, both people I know, and new people I\'ve never met before. And with these 5 tests,
I noticed NOTHING out of the ordinary. I certainly didn\'t get any sexual \"hits\" with any women. I also
noticed no signs that anyone was repelled, or avoided me, due to the odor, even though I sometimes thought the
fragrance was fairly noticeable to my own nose. So, no negative OD reactions, as far as I could see. Strangely,
the one and only person affected was ME. I did feel more confident and powerful with the stuff on. But I noticed
no women acting sexual toward me, or staring at me, and no guys acting belligerent at all. Some people, both male
and female, chatted with me, but the conversations were quite normal. It was basically like I was wearing nothing
at all.
During the next week, I will switch to TE (Sandalwood), and see if that elicits any hits from anybody. I
think the best way to run tests is to use a product several times, maybe for a full week, then switch to another
product and do the same. I don\'t want to be switching products every single day. If anyone has a suggestion for
a better testing method, please let me know. I also will be testing both PPA and TE with smaller and bigger
applications in the future, to see what happens. I would guess my applications so far would be \"moderate\".
I
would think the symptoms of an OD would be people avoiding you, or seeing the room cleared. But one post under
\"Newbies click here\" (posted by a.k.a.) said a result of OD-ing would be seeing NO reactions from people,
period. Does anybody have an opinion on this? If I\'m seeing no positive or negative reactions from anybody,
should I increase or decrease the amount of mones I\'m putting on?
It seems MOST guys posting here are in the
young, bar-hopping crowd. I myself am just over 40, and am not fond of the bar scene. I haven\'t been to a bar
yet with mones on, but will make sure I do a few tests in a bar during the coming weeks, to see if drinking women
are more apt to be affected by my products than sober women. It is quite possible that a 22-year-old who spends a
lot of time in bars could be a lot more prone to getting sexual hits, while using mones, than a middle-aged guy who
spends minimal time in places where alcohol is consumed.
AzMike
Have u tried OD
with the TE? I have tried myself once. :-)
It took me three sprays to have an effect on others. :-)
Brian
10-13-2003, 05:44 AM
AzMike,
Have you tried using PPA alone, without a cover scent? PPA has about 1/2 the none content as the
heavy none products, such as PI, or RM. PPA has a nice scent on its own. I\'ve put on 4 dabs and had good results
with it.
1 dab - behind each ear
1 dab - on each pulse point on the neck.
I\'m in my forties as
well and have had good results using PPA straight. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I wouldn\'t
give up on PPA so soon. Five tests is not much. It can take a long time to find the right application amount, or
even the the right dilution for a certain product. You need to do lots more testing before writing off a
product.
Brian
Sacogoo
10-13-2003, 08:02 AM
AzMike
writes:
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It is quite possible that a 22-year-old
who spends a lot of time in bars could be a lot more prone to getting sexual hits, while using mones, than a
middle-aged guy who spends minimal time in places where alcohol is consumed.
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class=\"post\">
Obviously. Drunk people in their early/mid 20\'s out in a bar looking for potential
mates/sex partners are going to report substantially more \"hits\" than us guys in our 30\'s and 40\'s who
aren\'t wasted hanging out in bars until 2:00 am looking for anything with a pulse to shag. (Although, the single
mid 30 and up crowd is a vibrant and sexually active set, although there are additional factors involved in getting
this type of intended target to bed than the 20 something crowd whose just out looking for sex
period.)
Personally, I think that the reported bar \"hits\" from drunk 20 somethings are worthless indicators
of a pheromones effectiveness. Christ, I had multitudes of bar hits (and plenty of take \'em home that very
night) without use of pheromones.
When you get reactions (and, for me, that means more than just a \"deer
trapped in the headlights look\") such as people (opposite sex) starting conversations with you out of the blue
while in regular/everyday life type of situations (standing in the grocery store line, at the library, at the gym,
etc).
Reported drunk bar hits are worthless in my estimation, as drunk people looking to get laid are going to
be sending out the signals regardless. One using pheromones in such a setting may have an elevated sense of
confidence and may have greater success because of this, but it\'s an environment that\'s ripe for the picking
anyway.
I\'ve been to a couple of bars while using \'mones to see what the reactions would be in such a
setting, and I haven\'t seen anything different than normal. I have, however, noticed dramatic differences in
just normal, everyday settings using \'mones versus not using \'mones. And that was what convinced me of their
legitimacy (at least with my body chemistry - which I have to go with the minimalist approach in their application
as I am very prone to OD\'ing, or so it seems).
But, as I\'m married, my final intended target is my wife
(other reactions are merely used for obvervation/education purposes rather than fullfilling sexual intentions), and
I\'m just finally getting around to figuring out application rates for the various times of the month. As soon as
I get more data, I\'ll post my \"How to use pheromones to keep your wife in a relatively good mood and sexually
active when she really wants to throw your ass out the door.\" monthly pheromone application chart.
franki
10-13-2003, 08:56 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Personally, I think that the reported bar
\"hits\" from drunk 20 somethings are worthless indicators of a pheromones effectiveness. Christ, I had
multitudes of bar hits (and plenty of take \'em home that very night) without use of pheromones.
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With less inhibitions due to alcohol, women and men will act more on their
primal instincts... I wouldn\'t say it is worthless, just because you had hits without pheromones.. It would be
quite bad if a guy like me couldn\'t get ANYTHING going without phero\'s..
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Still, the phero\'s act like a charm in situations like this
and are not to be discounted. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
AzMike
10-13-2003, 10:58 AM
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Have you tried using PPA alone, without a cover
scent? PPA has about 1/2 the none content as the heavy none products, such as PI, or RM. PPA has a nice scent on its
own. I\'ve put on 4 dabs and had good results with it.
1 dab - behind each ear
1 dab - on each pulse point on
the neck.
I\'m in my forties as well and have had good results using PPA straight.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I wouldn\'t give up on PPA so soon. Five tests is not much. It
can take a long time to find the right application amount, or even the the right dilution for a certain product. You
need to do lots more testing before writing off a product.
Brian
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class=\"post\">
1. I haven\'t used any cover scent with PPA/m so far, other than small applications of SP
oil the last 2 times. I may mix it with colognes in the future, but since it has a halfway-decent scent, I don\'t
really see a point in doing that.
2. I am far from giving up on PPA, but just wanted to report initial results.
And solicit opinions on dosages. I will continue testing with it until I use up my bottle, months from now. I need
to do tests with it with smaller AND larger doses, and in different settings, including bars. Meanwhile, tho,
I\'ll be giving TE a test drive during the coming week.
3. I may buy more products and test them, even if I
get no results from my current arsenal (PPA/TE/SOE). But if I get at least some good \"hits\" or results from
these, I would definitely be a lot more encouraged to test more products down the line, and would be almost certain
to do so. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
4. If anyone has a good story on what happened when
they had an OD with either PPA or TE, please tell it. (I have visions of having an invisible \"force field\"
around me, similar to a sci-fi movie.) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I may try a heavy
application of these in the future, like 6 or 8 sprays, and see what happens.
AzMike
Brian
10-13-2003, 11:08 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
During these 5 trials, I used anywhere from 1 to 3
sprays (using the LS atomizer) of PPA/m (Cool River),
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Because
you said you sprayed it on, led me to believe that you diluted it with something. If you continue to use spray
applications, your PPA will not last very long. Even one spray seems like an aweful lot. Have you tried dabbing it
on?
Brian
DZorro
10-13-2003, 11:08 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Have you tried using PPA alone, without a cover scent? PPA has about 1/2
the none content as the heavy none products, such as PI, or RM. PPA has a nice scent on its own. I\'ve put on 4
dabs and had good results with it.
1 dab - behind each ear
1 dab - on each pulse point on the neck.
I\'m in
my forties as well and have had good results using PPA straight. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I
wouldn\'t give up on PPA so soon. Five tests is not much. It can take a long time to find the right application
amount, or even the the right dilution for a certain product. You need to do lots more testing before writing off a
product.
Brian
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
1. I haven\'t used any cover scent with
PPA/m so far, other than small applications of SP oil the last 2 times. I may mix it with colognes in the future,
but since it has a halfway-decent scent, I don\'t really see a point in doing that.
2. I am far from giving up
on PPA, but just wanted to report initial results. And solicit opinions on dosages. I will continue testing with
it until I use up my bottle, months from now. I need to do tests with it with smaller AND larger doses, and in
different settings, including bars. Meanwhile, tho, I\'ll be giving TE a test drive during the coming week.
3.
I may buy more products and test them, even if I get no results from my current arsenal (PPA/TE/SOE). But if I get
at least some good \"hits\" or results from these, I would definitely be a lot more encouraged to test more
products down the line, and would be almost certain to do so.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
4. If anyone has a good story on what happened when they had
an OD with either PPA or TE, please tell it. (I have visions of having an invisible \"force field\" around me,
similar to a sci-fi movie.) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I may try a heavy application of
these in the future, like 6 or 8 sprays, and see what happens.
AzMike
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class=\"post\">
You could try it, but i would not recomend that much mones unless you want people to beat you
up good. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
But you could try it in the name of science
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif and report back on your findings.
DZorro,
CptKipling
10-13-2003, 12:58 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
During these 5 trials, I used anywhere from 1 to 3 sprays (using the LS
atomizer) of PPA/m (Cool River),
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Because you said you sprayed it
on, led me to believe that you diluted it with something. If you continue to use spray applications, your PPA will
not last very long. Even one spray seems like an aweful lot. Have you tried dabbing it on?
Brian
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Dab and rub young apprentice, dab and rub.
when I say rub I am
implying that you rub in the PPA, nothing else at this stage /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Sacogoo
10-14-2003, 08:45 AM
franki
writes:
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
With less inhibitions due to alcohol,
women and men will act more on their primal instincts... I wouldn\'t say it is worthless, just because you had
hits without pheromones..
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'m not saying that pheromones in a
bar situation are worthless. They could act as a positive pyschological boost to the individual wearing them, thus
helping them become more active and agressive in meeting/contacting potential targets. However, the fact is that
most people hitting the bar scene, particularly the meat market spots are looking for some action anyway. Add
alcohol/recreational drugs to the mix, and it\'s not a hard sell regardless if an individual is wearing pheromones
or not. Crap, once I was wearing cut-off Army fatigue pants, an old, extremely ugly T-shirt and flip flops and I
took home the best looking chick in the bar. Pheromones work (I have seen obvious changes in people and their
actions in regular day to day activities when wearing them and not wearing them. I\'ve also noticed substantial
increased sexual interest and aggression from my spouse when I wear them - although it\'s beginning to look like
certain types of pheromones have to be \"scheduled\" during the month for the best effects.), but I don\'t think
that a bar packed with people and smoke and drugs/alcohol being used is the best environment for testing a
pheromones effectiveness. That DIHL you just got might not be the pheromones, but rather the fourth Jager Bomb in
an hour by that person.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Still, the phero\'s
act like a charm in situations like this and are not to be discounted.
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class=\"post\">
So does a shot of tequila. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
CptKipling
10-14-2003, 08:47 AM
I think
the point is that a lot of people dont get hits clubbing without pheros, and see better reactions with pheros in
clubs than other situations.
Holmes
10-14-2003, 09:01 AM
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Crap, once I was wearing cut-off Army fatigue
pants, an old, extremely ugly T-shirt and flip flops and I took home the best looking chick in the bar.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Where was this bar?
Holmes
Sacogoo
10-14-2003, 09:13 AM
CptKipling
writes:
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I think the point is that a lot of people
dont get hits clubbing without pheros, and see better reactions with pheros in clubs than other situations.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
And my point is, because of the use of drugs/alcohol and the increased
potential for social interaction due to the fact that the place is filled to the brim with horny people looking to
get laid, it\'s a poor choice for reporting valid hits. Who knows what caused a hit in this situation? Also, my
point is that a person using pheromones may have an increase of confidence, aggressiveness or outwardness in their
own personality created by a partial placebo effect in using the \'mones. e.g. - \"I\'ve got the \'mones
applied, and no one will be able to resist my charms now.\" and they are substantiall more confident, act that
way, and as such, are able to meet new people where they wouldn\'t if they didn\'t have that extra little
psychological boost.
I\'m not saying that there can\'t be hit\'s at a packed club. I\'m just saying that
it\'s a tough thing to report a valid hit as there are a lot of other factors to consider that may be causing the
perceived hit than just the pheromones. Rather than being the sole mitigating factor for enabling a person to hook
up, they could have been just one of many factors, and maybe not at all.
However, if one notices changes in
actions and personalities and results in an environment that not typically sexually charged combined with other
effective stimulants (booze/drugs), then it\'s easier to state that those results were due to the pheromones
rather than other factors. (I\'m sure that pheromones work in a club scene just dandy, but how do you know if it
was the pheromones that got you the hottie in your bed that night or the 9 shots of Sex on the Beach?)
AzMike
10-14-2003, 01:23 PM
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CptKipling writes:
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I think the point is that a lot of people dont get hits clubbing without
pheros, and see better reactions with pheros in clubs than other situations.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
And my point is, because of the use of drugs/alcohol and the increased potential for social
interaction due to the fact that the place is filled to the brim with horny people looking to get laid, it\'s a
poor choice for reporting valid hits. Who knows what caused a hit in this situation? Also, my point is that a
person using pheromones may have an increase of confidence, aggressiveness or outwardness in their own personality
created by a partial placebo effect in using the \'mones. e.g. - \"I\'ve got the \'mones applied, and no one
will be able to resist my charms now.\" and they are substantiall more confident, act that way, and as such, are
able to meet new people where they wouldn\'t if they didn\'t have that extra little psychological
boost.
I\'m not saying that there can\'t be hit\'s at a packed club. I\'m just saying that it\'s a
tough thing to report a valid hit as there are a lot of other factors to consider that may be causing the perceived
hit than just the pheromones. Rather than being the sole mitigating factor for enabling a person to hook up, they
could have been just one of many factors, and maybe not at all.
However, if one notices changes in actions and
personalities and results in an environment that not typically sexually charged combined with other effective
stimulants (booze/drugs), then it\'s easier to state that those results were due to the pheromones rather than
other factors. (I\'m sure that pheromones work in a club scene just dandy, but how do you know if it was the
pheromones that got you the hottie in your bed that night or the 9 shots of Sex on the Beach?)
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
The important factor to observe is CHANGES in people\'s behavior toward
you, when wearing mones, as opposed to not wearing mones. To me, if a guy noticed major changes in the way women
acted toward them, those would be \"hits\", whether in a bar environment or not.
If some muscular stud was able
to bring home hotties from a bar fairly often, without using mones, it might be hard for them to notice changes,
since women would react favorably to them regardless. However, consider that some of the younger guys posting here,
that do a lot of bar-hopping, might have little success in doing this. If these guys notice that their success rate
in bars increases a lot while using mones, vs not using mones, I would say that certainly indicates that mones work
well for them.
When you talk about places \"filled to the brim with horny people looking to get laid\", with
alcohol and other substances being used, keep in mind that those horny people will have PREFERENCES as to which
members of the opposite sex they are interested in. If mones do indeed work for some guys, the women there would be
more apt to socialize with, and perhaps go home with, those guys, rather than other guys there they are competing
with. So, I would think that a bar situation would be a perfectly valid testing ground. The exception, where
bar-hopping would NOT be a good way to test mones, would be for guys who have been highly successful in bars WITHOUT
using pheromones. I don\'t know how guys like this could notice any improvement. But guys who have NOT been
wildly successful in bars could run tests, and notice if they get any unusual behavior from women.
AzMike
nonscents
10-15-2003, 05:13 AM
AzMike,
Nicely
said! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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