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belgareth
10-10-2003, 12:09 PM
Good information.
Sunny
10-10-2003, 12:50 PM
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2. Estratetraenol and androstadienone activate the
vomeronasal system in humans.
3. I have demonstrated that the closely related pig pheromones, androstenol and
androstenone, are not active as pheromones in humans
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Now does
this mean they think our -nol and -none does not work in humans???
Sunny
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2. Estratetraenol and androstadienone activate the vomeronasal system in
humans.
3. I have demonstrated that the closely related pig pheromones, androstenol and androstenone, are not
active as pheromones in humans
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Now does this mean they think
our -nol and -none does not work in humans???
Sunny
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I think
they are saying that PIG pheromones don\'t work in humans. Apparently, a perfume called \"Lydia\" contains a ton
of pig pheromones. Of course, one can wear to to a banryard and be followed by lovestruck porcines. Or, one can use
it to attract politicians. I\'ve heard our new CA governor, Der Groppenfuhrer, reacts to pig pheromones. <g>
She is of course, missing the fun of it. She does bring up a good point-- women living in close quarters tend to
coordinate their menstrual periods. Because of--- pheromones that seem scentless.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/ne
uro/neuro01/web1/Costello.html (\"http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web1/Costello.html\")
cuddlebear
10-10-2003, 01:00 PM
All this \"pig
phero\" stuff is new to me, but no one will ever convince me that Nol doesn\'t work on humans, because I have
demonstrated in my own personal experience, countless times, that it indeed does. None also does, but less so, and
there seems to be a serious intimidation factor, so I have been avoiding it lately.
Jones
10-10-2003, 01:08 PM
None is called a pig
pheromone b/c there was a study which proved that pigs use it to locate truffles, or something like that.
Its
bascially propaganda. Molecules serve different purposes in different alimals. Some serve similar or the same
purpose. I mean, did you all know that use you use pig hemoglobin to transport oxygen. Oh the horror.
CptKipling
10-11-2003, 03:01 PM
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2. Estratetraenol and androstadienone activate the vomeronasal system in
humans.
3. I have demonstrated that the closely related pig pheromones, androstenol and androstenone, are not
active as pheromones in humans
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Now does this mean they think
our -nol and -none does not work in humans???
Sunny
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No, do a
forum search and read around.
Sunny
10-11-2003, 10:33 PM
Cpt. I know it works
in humans (proven yesterday /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif) and most of us know it. I was
referring to the quote, wondering why they imply our -nol and -none were pig pheromones (which they are not) and
thus concluding they would not work in humans.
Sunny
CptKipling
10-12-2003, 05:47 AM
web page (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB5&Number=96880&Forum=UB B
5&Words=pig&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Lim it=25&Old=2weeks&Main=96868&Search=tru
e#Post96880\")
Take a look, answers your question.
Whitehall
10-12-2003, 08:02 AM
Has anyone
tried Erox\'s \"Natural Attraction\" line? I presume they use the same pheromones as Realm but who knows.
I
ordered their \"roulette\" for men - might run over at lunch Monday and visit - their offices are only a couple of
miles from my office. It\'s only $10 so worth a try.
Sunny
10-12-2003, 08:20 AM
I was kind of
following that thread but only read somthing about women and pigs and didn\'t really pay attention...
Thank
you!
Sunny
filterfactory
10-12-2003, 01:25 PM
I\'m also curious about the new natural attraction, but I can\'t get it here. I wonder if the they still do
the reverse pheroes with the mens pheroes in the womens formula and vice versa.
Whitehall
10-13-2003, 08:13 AM
I emailed Erox
asking about the ingredients in their Natural Attraction line. I got this in return:
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Joseph:
The patented human pheromones in Natural Attraction are the same
as those
used in Realm. We do not sell directly from our office, our shipping
warehouse is located in S.
CA.
Note: Most all of the products on Love Scent.com are ANIMAL pheromones
(pig)....... Pheromones are species
specific and animal pheromones do not
have any effect on humans. I realize that site talks a great deal
about
Human pheromones, but most of the products contain pheromones that have been
proven to have no
effect....
Bob
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Bob,
Your assertion \" but most of the products contain pheromones that
have been proven to have no effect....\" is manifestly false. The metric that Erox uses (VNO potentials) is but
one metric yet behavioral responses in the field from non-Erox pheromones are well established among knowledgeable
users and scientific researchers. There are clear behavioral responses from females to A-none use - hair flipping,
butt presentation, even \"deer-in-the-headlight looks.\" Likewise, exogenous copulins during copulation can
induce much more enthusiastic and pleasurable sex for both partners. And that\'s not just because I date
pigs!
Deny the real-world application of pheromones and what scientific credibility Erox can now claim will
evaporate into marketing spin. Also, I note that the chemicals used by Erox are patented ONLY when used in fragrance
mixtures.
My main question remains unanswered - what pheromone(s) are included in the male version of \"Natural
Attraction\" and which pheromone(s) are in the female version of \"Natural Attraction\"? Would that be estra in
the male version and andro in the female version?
Joe
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Brian
10-13-2003, 10:05 AM
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Likewise, exogenous copulins during copulation can
induce much more enthusiastic and pleasurable sex for both partners. And that\'s not just because I date
pigs!
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Whitehall
10-13-2003, 10:36 AM
Of
course, maybe I get such reactions because I\'m such a bore.
oscar
10-13-2003, 11:28 AM
\"The Acknowledged Master of Porcine Posterior Presentation\"
Jones
10-13-2003, 12:49 PM
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I emailed Erox asking about the ingredients in
their Natural Attraction line. I got this in return:
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Joseph:
The patented human pheromones in Natural Attraction are the same
as those
used in Realm. We do not sell directly from our office, our shipping
warehouse is located in S.
CA.
Note: Most all of the products on Love Scent.com are ANIMAL pheromones
(pig)....... Pheromones are species
specific and animal pheromones do not
have any effect on humans. I realize that site talks a great deal
about
Human pheromones, but most of the products contain pheromones that have been
proven to have no
effect....
Bob
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My reply:
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Bob,
Your assertion \" but most of the products contain pheromones that
have been proven to have no effect....\" is manifestly false. The metric that Erox uses (VNO potentials) is but
one metric yet behavioral responses in the field from non-Erox pheromones are well established among knowledgeable
users and scientific researchers. There are clear behavioral responses from females to A-none use - hair flipping,
butt presentation, even \"deer-in-the-headlight looks.\" Likewise, exogenous copulins during copulation can
induce much more enthusiastic and pleasurable sex for both partners. And that\'s not just because I date
pigs!
Deny the real-world application of pheromones and what scientific credibility Erox can now claim will
evaporate into marketing spin. Also, I note that the chemicals used by Erox are patented ONLY when used in fragrance
mixtures.
My main question remains unanswered - what pheromone(s) are included in the male version of \"Natural
Attraction\" and which pheromone(s) are in the female version of \"Natural Attraction\"? Would that be estra in
the male version and andro in the female version?
Joe
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Actually, I asked them the same, and they are obligated not to tell
you due to legal BS. (things there lawyers tell them)
But... In the \"study\" that it posted, an
interesting graph apears. And in this, \"study\" the power of A1 and Estrtetrablahblhblah was measured on each a
female and male\'s VNO. There is also a graph in this \"study\" which has Realm M and Realm W against Human
Male VNO and Human female VNO.
From the large spike in the male VNO corresponding to Realm/M and large spike
comming from activity of Realm/W in the female VNO, it is shown that they do infact operate on the backwards
thoery.
Just link over to erox.com and find the \"science\", section.
Whitehall
10-13-2003, 01:31 PM
The best news is
that we can now get straight Estra (the active ingredient in Realm for men) cheap. At least that is what I infer
from the email exchange and the Erox website.
Just buy a bottle of male \"Natural Attraction.\"
Likewise, a
straight shot of A-1 is available by getting female \"Natural Attraction.\"
Yet, one has to ask if the mones
aren\'t reversed from the Realms. If the male stuff is intended to attract females (and why create the
expectation) then one would think one would use A-1.
I\'ll just have to wait and see what comes in the mail.
Sacogoo
10-14-2003, 08:29 AM
Whitehall
writes:
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... There are clear behavioral responses
from females to A-none use - hair flipping, butt presentation, even \"deer-in-the-headlight looks.\" ...
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I can\'t believe that you actually wrote \"butt presentation\" in
your letter. (Although, the \"sex with pigs\" line was a classic.)
Whitehall
10-15-2003, 12:28 PM
My
\"roulette\" showed up today - a very nice, medicinal-looking container with a roller top - heavy glass, 5 ml.
Smells just like Everclear.
Only gives \"human pheromones\" as active ingredient. Also has a PC statement -
\"This product has not been tested on animals\" - what am I, chopped liver?
Lists two patents - 5,272,134 and
5,278,141.
For $10 plus California sales tax and S&H, it would not be a bad deal if I just knew what\'s in
it. If the \"attracts women\" claim is correct, one would expect A-1 but I don\'t know the
concentration.
Bruce, you got nothing to worry about.
Jones
10-15-2003, 12:54 PM
Did you get the
roullete for M of W ?
There are two patents? Perhaps both A1 and E-tetra are in there.
Whitehall
10-15-2003, 01:13 PM
I ordered
and recieved the male verson, labeled \"For Men.\"
This is supposed to attract women but we know that A-1 is
less an attractant for women as it is an anti-depressant.
Whitehall
10-15-2003, 01:13 PM
I ordered
and recieved the male verson, labeled \"For Men.\"
This is supposed to attract women but we know that A-1 is
less an attractant for women as it is an anti-depressant.
oscar
10-15-2003, 01:33 PM
Whitehall,
Both the Andro\'s and Estra\'s are covered in each of those patents.
I tried to post the links
to the specific pages, but they wouldn\'t get me through even after three attempts. So I\'ll just post the URL
for the USPTO home page and y\'all can punch in or copy and paste in the numbers on a Patent Number
Search.
http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html (\"http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html\")
Funny,
Berliner and his mob seem to concede to None and Nol being produced by humans when they\'re trying to patent
them!
The filthy lyin\' bastards!
Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Jones
10-15-2003, 01:57 PM
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I ordered and recieved the male verson, labeled
\"For Men.\"
This is supposed to attract women but we know that A-1 is less an attractant for women as it
is an anti-depressant.
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Your talking about studies on pubmed
right? Could you cite that statement?
Its weird, in my experience, Realm/w makes women very very tense, in a
sexual way. There mood doesnt seem to be effected, they are just more forward and confrontational. Maybe a1 just
aint for me, maybe its my personality. Maybe realm didnt do anything.
But, anti-depressant? Nooooo way, not
fer me. Just very challenging responses. I hope I am characterizing things correctly, but you know what I mean,
when a girl playfully confronts you verbally, which can then develop into physical stuff?
Like this one day,
this weird thing happened in vball class. A was high fiving a cute chick, and I missed a little and almost cought
her nail. She responds, \'you almost broke my nail!\'. I gave her that \'ohhh, your poor thing\' sarcastic
response, to which she stepped closer to me, looked me in the eyes, and then put her hand on my chest a tried to
push me. But she barely applied any pressure and ended up just touching me. I almost did the same thing to her,
but she was so petite that if I tried to push in the chest I either be grabing her boobs or strangling her neck. I
just said, \'what if I did that...\'. And then I was up to serve. Nobody smiled throught the confrontation,
just lots of eye contact.
That essentially is the kind of responses I get. very aggresive moves, which when
met with aggresive moves get sexual tension.
Honestly, I would really like it if I got some euphoric
effects. I need to use some SOE.
My advice to you whitehall, is if youve got a1 in that roulette (which you
might) is try and be VERY aggresive, and see what happends.
Whitehall
10-15-2003, 02:09 PM
I\'ve got a
bottle of RfW and a bottle of CS A-1. Neither gets a sexual response from women, in my experience. They do serve
well to reduce PMS symptoms and generally reduce tensions in females. Erox is also correct in saying that they
improve the mood of the female wearer.
When I wear it, I get \"dark moods\" and get no particular response from
females.
When I wear Realm for Men, containing Estra, my mood improves yet I get no particular sexual responses
from females nearby.
How they can take their two compnds and make a sexual attractant from one or from both in
combination is still a mystery. The only way to tell is to field test it.
I suggest you search the archives - I
think you\'ll see that my experiences are shared by most. Of course, your field experiences can vary and seem to
add something to the big picture.
Jones
10-15-2003, 02:32 PM
Yea... I mean,
n=1 w/ where I am not even sure if thats what caused it... really tells us a lot huh?!!?!
but, I recently
grabbed the whole article that desribes how A1 incrases mood, its seems, that it increased ALL the
following;
Tense/Antagonistic/AnxiousExcited/IrritatedDiscontented/
Jones
10-15-2003, 02:42 PM
When exposed to
estratetraenol, men and women
again had significantly different responses in Positive-
Stimulated mood (t 5 2.55,
P # 0.02). Women again
experienced higher Positive Stimulated mood relative
to their responses to propylene
glycol, a finding not
concordant with reports that women do not respond
physiologically to estratetraenol on the
surface potential
of vomeronasal epithelium (Berliner, 1994; Monti-
Bloch and Grosser, 1991; Monti-Bloch et al.,
1994). Men
experienced lower Positive Stimulated mood (see Fig.
2) rather than the increase predicted by previous
research.
As with androstadienone, there was neither a
significant difference in Negative-Confused responses
nor
a difference in Alertness. This pattern of sex differences
in mood does not support a simple sex-specific
or
sex-exclusive model (Berliner, 1994; Monti-
Bloch and Grosser, 1991; Monti-Bloch et al., 1994).
When asked
to describe how they felt after the
compounds had been applied, 80% of women exposed
to androstadienone stated
they felt one or more of the
following ways: warm, heavy, spacy, sharp, nauseous,
or light headed. When exposed to
estratetraenol, 80%
said they felt heavy, warm, chesty, irritable, or
drowsy. Approximately 50% of the men felt
warm or
irritable after androstadienone exposure and 60% of
men felt warm or stimulated with estratetraenol.
When
exposed to propylene glycol alone participants
used these adjectives more rarely (only 5% used irritable
and 40%
used warm). Future research is needed
to quantify these self reports of physical
perceptions.
Psychological State and Mood Effects of Steroidal Chemosignals in Women and Men, Hormones and
Behavior, Volume 37, Issue 1, February 2000, Pages 57-78
Suma Jacob and Martha K. McClintock
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