Perfuming Basics [Archive] - Love-Scent Pheromones Forum

DrSmellThis

10-10-2003, 05:42 AM

Hi ladies and

germs,

Thought I\'d start a thread here on pretty smelly things, hang out, practice ballet, and allow my

sensitive, feminine side to roam freely. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gifYou can\'t tell, but

right now I\'m wearing groovy, pin striped pants, a navy blue button down shirt, a lavender tie, suede boots, and

have neatly parted my hair. I took a bath earlier with my armada of plastic boats, and am ready to upload good

vibes. I smell like a fresh bottle of Coca-C /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gifla. I am writing with an

audible English accent, and just brushed my teeth last month. See? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

(I hope no one reading this is actually from England!)

My, you are a handsome and bright eyed class!

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Ahem, well

we\'d better get started.

Basic things thing to know about perfuming:

1. They\'re made with

EO\'s, a carrier, and sometimes synthetic or animal products.

2. You mix things and strive for complete

harmony among ingredients.

3. It works well to think of three kinds of \'notes\': Bass, heart (When

I\'m not feeling sensitive and feminine, I call them \"MIDDLE NOTES\", and I make the quote signs with my

fingers, just like Austin Powers), and top notes. These distinctions are based on rates of evaporation. Where an oil

falls depends on context. Some are more versatile than others, especially when they are more complex oils. It\'s

good to let go of rules and make your own minds up here, though studying books on perfuming and aromatherapy is also

good.

4. As my \'text\', I\'m going to recommend \'Essence and Alchemy\', by Mandy Aftel (2001;

North Point Press, New York) due to the pretty naked woman on the cover. Ooops, I forgot my \"Sensitive New

Millenium Guy\" mantra.

5. To get you started, here is a simple but very nice ladies\' perfume recipe,

which I\'ll call, \"Here, Smell Me!\" (quotes provided by Austin Powers). Feel free to vary proportions. You all

are going to smell so nice!

Vetiver: 2 drops
Rose: 2 drops (If rose is too expensive, you can try lavender

or ylang-ylang).
Clary Sage: 1 drop
Lemon or Geranium: 4 drops (If you use Ylang, substitute orange

here)
40 drops jojoba oil, or to taste.

Try to add the oils in the order indicated to a little bottle

(like a flower essence bottle) and let sit for one day, shaking at least three times.

So have at it! Those

who want to learn at this time should try the formula. I\'ll be around, but I never take questions unless I\'m

asked.

Next week, Coca-Cola perfume! I\'m off for a beauty rest. All this sensitivity is a bit

draining.

Sexyredhead

10-10-2003, 05:58 AM

Way cool!

I\'ll give that mix a try. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Any other tips for us?

Elana

10-10-2003, 06:22 AM

Thank you so much!

This will be the first mix I try once my oils arrive. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

What are

some of the synthetic\'s we should have on hand?

Whitehall

10-10-2003, 09:50 AM

OK, Bubba, now whip up

something to cover the aroma of bullsh*t.

DrSmellThis

10-10-2003, 01:35 PM

OK. Per

TAMEPP\'s request, I will change next week\'s perfume to \"Hay.\"

For our purposes here, synthetics can

include the SP oils (jasmine, juniper, musk, and amber) and, of course, pheromones.

Kari

10-10-2003, 01:39 PM

PLEEZE, Oh PLEEEZ, DR!

Do you have a nice oriental blend recipe?

Thx!

DrSmellThis

10-11-2003, 04:13 AM

Yes, I do.

DrSmellThis

10-11-2003, 04:16 AM

Just teasing!

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OK, before I go

any further, why doesn\'t everyone tell me what oils you have, or will have shortly. I don\'t want to recommend

too many expensive things no one has.

DrSmellThis

10-11-2003, 04:30 AM

Incidentally, if

you add Everclear instead of jojoba to the above recipe, double or triple the strength, and then put it in a bottle

of edge, you can make your own, woman\'s version of Edge Essentials, with a scent very similar to the guys\'

\"Heat\", but feminized.

Elana

10-11-2003, 04:35 AM

Here is my list.

Everything should be arriving any day...

Anise, Bergamot, Cardamom, Chamomile Roman, Clary sage, Geranium,

Cedarwood Atlas, Ylang Ylang III, Tea Tree, Sandalwood, Rosemary, Fir, Benzoin, Vetiver, Patchouli, Lavender

(Bulgaria), Peppermint, Black pepper, Orange, Lemon, Marjoram, Coriander, Cinnamon, Eucalyptus, Pink Grapefruit

I

am up for anything with the exception of Rose, Jasmine and Neroli. After I have had some practice, I may invest in

the good stuff.

Sexyredhead

10-11-2003, 05:08 AM

I

have:
lavender, orange, lemon, lime, grapefruit, bergamot, geranium, vetiver, clary sage, frankincense, myrrh,

pine, fir, cajeput, black pepper, lemongrass, ylang ylang, sandalwood, rosewood, birch, cedarwood, patchouli, and

peppermint

I will be getting some more in the next couple weeks. I\'m just not sure what all I\'m

going to get yet. Any suggestions?

Elana

10-11-2003, 05:28 AM

I was looking through

a list of synthetic Musks, and I couldn\'t believe how many types are available.
Any ideas which one(s) to

get?

MUSK AFRICAN CLEAR
MUSK AFRICAN GREEN
MUSK AFRICAN NORTH
MUSK ALMADINA
MUSK AMBER
MUSK ANIMAL
MUSK

ARABIAN
MUSK ATLANTIC
MUSK BABY OIL
MUSK BANGLEDESH
MUSK BLACK
MUSK BLACK MARKET(BLK IMPORTED)
MUSK

BLISK
MUSK CALI
MUSK CHINA
MUSK CIARO
MUSK CIERRA
MUSK COTY
MUSK COTY WILD
MUSK DARK
MUSK DE CARTIER
MUSK

DUCK
MUSK EGYPTION
MUSK EGYPTIAN BABY
MUSK EGYPTIAN BLACK
MUSK EGYPTIAN MAISHA\'S SUPERIOR
MUSK EGYPTIAN

RED
MUSK EQYPTIAN BABY
MUSK ETHIOPIAN BLACKv MUSK EVENING
MUSK FRENCH
MUSK GREEN
MUSK GREEN AFRICAN
MUSK

HARLEM
MUSK HONEY
MUSK IMMORTAL
MUSK IMPERIAL
MUSK INDIAN
MUSK JAMAICAN
MUSK JAPANESE
MUSK JASMIN
MUSK

JOVAN
MUSK JOVAN CLEAR
MUSK JOVAN MEN
MUSK JOVAN RED
MUSK KRISHNA
MUSK MADINA
MUSK MOOR
MUSK MOROCCAN
MUSK

NIGERIAN
MUSK NIGHT
MUSK NUBIAN
MUSK ORIENTAL
MUSK RAIN
MUSK RED
MUSK ROSE
MUSK ROYAL
MUSK SEPAH
MUSK

SPANISH
MUSK SPRING
MUSK STRAWBERRY
MUSK SUDAN
MUSK SUPER
MUSK SWEET
MUSK TROPICAL
MUSK VANILLA
MUSK

WHITE
MUSK WILD

Whitehall

10-11-2003, 11:18 AM

Elana,

Your list

of musks reads like the contents of a big, big, box of Crayolas.

DZorro

10-11-2003, 12:20 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I was looking through a list of synthetic Musks,

and I couldn\'t believe how many types are available.
Any ideas which one(s) to get?

MUSK AFRICAN CLEAR
MUSK

AFRICAN GREEN
MUSK AFRICAN NORTH
MUSK ALMADINA
MUSK AMBER
MUSK ANIMAL
MUSK ARABIAN
MUSK ATLANTIC
MUSK BABY

OIL
MUSK BANGLEDESH
MUSK BLACK
MUSK BLACK MARKET(BLK IMPORTED)
MUSK BLISK
MUSK CALI
MUSK CHINA
MUSK

CIARO
MUSK CIERRA
MUSK COTY
MUSK COTY WILD
MUSK DARK
MUSK DE CARTIER
MUSK DUCK
MUSK EGYPTION
MUSK EGYPTIAN

BABY
MUSK EGYPTIAN BLACK
MUSK EGYPTIAN MAISHA\'S SUPERIOR
MUSK EGYPTIAN RED
MUSK EQYPTIAN BABY
MUSK ETHIOPIAN

BLACKv MUSK EVENING
MUSK FRENCH
MUSK GREEN
MUSK GREEN AFRICAN
MUSK HARLEM
MUSK HONEY
MUSK IMMORTAL
MUSK

IMPERIAL
MUSK INDIAN
MUSK JAMAICAN
MUSK JAPANESE
MUSK JASMIN
MUSK JOVAN
MUSK JOVAN CLEAR
MUSK JOVAN MEN
MUSK

JOVAN RED
MUSK KRISHNA
MUSK MADINA
MUSK MOOR
MUSK MOROCCAN
MUSK NIGERIAN
MUSK NIGHT
MUSK NUBIAN
MUSK

ORIENTAL
MUSK RAIN
MUSK RED
MUSK ROSE
MUSK ROYAL
MUSK SEPAH
MUSK SPANISH
MUSK SPRING
MUSK STRAWBERRY
MUSK

SUDAN
MUSK SUPER
MUSK SWEET
MUSK TROPICAL
MUSK VANILLA
MUSK WHITE
MUSK WILD

<hr /></blockquote>

Elana, i have musk, Amber, citrus oil, jasmine, Lavender, Rose, Vannille oil and juniper berry

but i like Amber and jasmine the most.

DZorro,

DrSmellThis

10-11-2003, 01:03 PM

These mostly aren\'t raw sythetic musks, but are musky synthetic perfumes. I do like straight Almadina musk (if

it\'s the same stuff, rather than a perfume containing it) as a perfume additive.

Rather than getting too

many synthetic musks, I\'m going to recommend that all the ladies get some valerian root EO to use for our musk

substitute, as it is reasonably cheap.

Examples of good raw synthetic musk ingredients include muscone,

galaxolyde, indole, skatole and ambrettolyde. (1, 2 and 4 smell good, but, as a rule, whatever stinks and smells

\'nasty and gross\' in its raw form is what you want (e.g., valerian). When you add that kind of scent in in

very small quantities, you get something that makes everything else delightful! Experiencing the truth of this fact,

that \'disgusting\' is in the end best, is good for our humility, and open-mindedness. (Yes, I\'m always going

to wax philosophical to captive audiences /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

Perfuming is a

mysterious world of its own, that regularly yields mystical knowledge to those open to it. This is why there are

traditions lasting thousands of years. So if you are walking through a field and smell a native plant that is really

stinky, you might collect a bunch of only the smelliest part, grind it up, and dissolve it in everclear to maximum

concentration (later letting it sit out to partially evaporate), or even boil it. Master perfumers try these sorts

of things all the time, to get an edge. Also, there is something magical about using things that come from your

geographic area.

DrSmellThis

10-11-2003, 02:00 PM

OK. Here is the

requested formula, using only oils we have mentioned. I hope it\'s not too complex. As it is above, the order

presented is the order you want to use in creating your perfume. Try to mix after each new oil is added. Numbers

will always represent drops.

Turning Oriental

Base Note:

2 Patchouli
3 sandalwood
1

myrrh
1 cinnamon leaf (not bark, which requires experience)
4 benzoin

Heart note:

4 ylang

ylang
2 lavender
1 anise

Top note:

8 orange

Fixative:

1-2 valerian

Carrier:

100 jojoba

Notice I introduced a new term. A \'fixative\' is something added to

make the scent last longer on your skin, and to enhance the other smells.

OmnipotentOne

10-11-2003, 02:46 PM

Oh yes!

\"Egyptian baby musk\", one of my favorites! If only the extraction process didn\'t produce so much crying.

CptKipling

10-11-2003, 03:42 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I am writing with an audible English accent, and

just brushed my teeth last month. See? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (I hope no one reading this

is actually from England!)

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Wasn\'t even a good accent...

DrSmellThis

10-11-2003, 05:22 PM

Oops! I tried to

make it up to you in your essay thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Whitehall

10-12-2003, 07:57 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Examples of good raw synthetic musk ingredients

include muscone, galaxolyde, indole, skatole and ambrettolyde. (1, 2 and 4 smell good.....)

<hr

/></blockquote>

I read that indole and skatole (#4) smell terrible. I think you meant #5

smells good, not #4. I would love to get small bottles of pure synthetic musks analogous to our chem set packaging.

I wonder if IFF would offer them that way? I\'m guessing that the macrocyclics are the best smelling.

DrSmellThis

10-12-2003, 02:54 PM

Thanks for

pointing out the error. OK. You can get two of those products, muscone and ambrettolyde; interesting high quality

perfumes, and select perfumery supplies; from a place called the Crimson Phoenix. They don\'t sell anything that

Bruce sells, or has even talked about selling, since they take a perfumery angle, so I don\'t feel bad about

recommending them. I\'m quite sure you will find it easily. It\'s owned by a very close friend of mine, a great

guy, who I\'ve been buying from for 9 years. So be sure to say DrSmellThis sent you!

Sexyredhead

10-12-2003, 05:33 PM

I used to go to

the Crimson Pheonix all the time!!! It\'s right down a couple blocks from Portland State, right? I loved

that place. Really cool guy runs it too.

Wow, good memories. Thanks.

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DrSmellThis

10-13-2003, 01:05 AM

So you\'ve a history

in P-Land? Small world. Did you go to PSU? PM me, if you please. Yes, Gary is indeed a cool guy. He moved his

operation, and does mostly just personal consults and perfumes on the internet now. Just talked to him tonight.

DrSmellThis

10-14-2003, 02:33 PM

...is a very important

quality for a perfumer. They say it takes 7 years to become a perfumer, and then you go on to either become a good

one or a bad one. Perfumers throw away 99% of what they create. That is not an exaggeration.

On the other hand,

that means you should never get discouraged. And on the third hand, for those of you born in Kentucky or near a

nuclear plant, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif you should always strive to be as careful as

possible with a blend, as you are never more than one step away from flushing it down the toilet.

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Whitehall

10-14-2003, 03:16 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
for those of you born ... near a nuclear

plant

<hr /></blockquote>

Has that an attempt at humor by a liberal?

Elana

10-14-2003, 03:16 PM

I just got all of my oils

today. It only took me 4 1/2 minutes to be a great perfumer. My first creation is lovely.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Tonight I am going to make your perfume. I will have to omit a

few oils, but I am still going to try it.

Sagacious1420

10-14-2003, 04:19 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I just got all of my oils today. It only took me 4

1/2 minutes to be a great perfumer. My first creation is lovely. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Yea, right...humility...bragger!

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Sagacious1420

10-14-2003, 04:24 PM

DST-

So you\'re

saying the fixative is the last addition (except for the carrier)?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Doh! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Once

again, I\'m backassards. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Elana

10-15-2003, 06:49 AM

I

made the first Drsmellthis blend last night. It is Vetiver, ylang-ylang, Clary Sage, and Geranium. I am letting it

sit overnight. I didn\'t add a carrier to it. I want to use it in my nebulizer.

I also made a mix of

Patchouli, geranium, ylang-ylang and cinnamin. I put a drop in with my hair gel and it smells so sexy. It\'s not a

blend for a \"My little Pony\" loving girlie girl. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DrSmellThis

10-15-2003, 07:05 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
DST-

So you\'re saying the fixative is the last addition (except for the

carrier)? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Doh!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Once again, I\'m backassards.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Correct.

Actually you have fixative at both ends (patchouli, benzoin, etc)

Sexyredhead

10-15-2003, 07:14 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I made the first Drsmellthis blend last

night. It is Vetiver, ylang-ylang, Clary Sage, and Geranium. I am letting it sit overnight. I didn\'t add a

carrier to it. I want to use it in my nebulizer.

I also made a mix of Patchouli, geranium, ylang-ylang and

cinnamin. I put a drop in with my hair gel and it smells so sexy. It\'s not a blend for a \"My little Pony\"

loving girlie girl. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Yeah, that sounds more like something for a psychotic eye-gouger with a penchant for pouring

cheese down decapitated doll heads! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

OTOH, that blend does

sound really good. Need to go get some cinnamon this weekend. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I also made DST\'s mix. Two, in fact. To the first I also added a couple drops of citrus -nol and a drop of

rosewood to the vetiver, ylang ylang, clary sage, and orange. The second was just the vetiver, ylang ylang, clary

sage, and orange. I like. Good mix. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I\'m wearing the second

mix for the first time today, so we\'ll so how it \"wears\" on me. I wore the first mix Sunday and found the

rosewood to have a lot of staying power. But I liked the first mix.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

DrSmellThis

10-15-2003, 07:18 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
for those of you born ... near a nuclear plant

<hr /></blockquote>

Has that an attempt at humor by a liberal?

<hr /></blockquote>
My new sensitive side sure is bowling them over, and winning lots of friends! Gee, I guess I

should have said solar-challenged plant! That would have been PC. As long, as I\'m in this thread, I\'m a

smelly, wacky-tobaccy-smokin\', commie/hippie, tree huggin\' liberal boy. Right before I read your post, I was

listening to that Mick Jagger music (or is it Elton Tom?), doing aerobics with Jane Fonda, and baaaaad-mouthin my

country. I think I\'ll drop and give myself 50.

DrSmellThis

10-15-2003, 07:26 AM

I like your blend, Elaine. It has all the notes and cinnamon for sweetness/heat. That was a nice touch.

I hope

your variation on my first blend turns out. Making do with what you have is the mother of invention.

DrSmellThis

10-15-2003, 08:24 AM

The rosewood was a

nice touch, SRH, as it goes well with florals, and complimented the vetiver, which is also considered a woody smell.

Notice how well the ylang and orange go together. That\'s a basic combo. It\'s understandable that no one had

rose. But rose geranium is often used as a cheaper substitute, with just a touch of things like clary sage, vanilla,

lemon, lavender, coriander, clove, cinnamon, synthetic rose, and/or vetiver. Ylang, on the other hand, is commonly

substituted for jasmine. Both are considered \'narcotics\'. A touch of civet, vanilla, tobacco, EW, orange

and/or indole can make it even closer to jasmine, as can any synthetic jasmine oil.

So those interested can

try to make fake rose or jasmine, please, as a basic skill-building and money saving exercise. These are a couple of

the most basic smells in perfumery, after all. It\'s best to get hold of the real stuff to smell for inspiration,

like in a store.

As a bonus, you will end up with a nice perfume or two!

Sagacious1420

10-15-2003, 09:09 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
DST-

So you\'re saying the fixative is the last addition (except for the

carrier)? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Doh!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Once again, I\'m backassards.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Correct.

Actually you have fixative at both ends (patchouli, benzoin, etc)

<hr /></blockquote>

So this is not necessarily a problem, then? Thanks for the suggestion of using the benz as a

fixative. It seems to help make the top notes more persistent (which was a problem for me) and adds more depth and

richness to the bottom. I have found that it\'s when the bottom notes kick in that I really get the yummy

comments. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

DrSmellThis

10-15-2003, 03:09 PM

Perfumers often use

fixatives at every stage. They often have special fixatives for each note, as well as the overall blend.

Elana

10-15-2003, 03:10 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Yeah, that sounds more like something for a

psychotic eye-gouger with a penchant for pouring cheese down decapitated doll heads!

<hr /></blockquote>

What kind of a monster would do something so horrific?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I just put a mix of Bergamot and Coriander oil in my

nebulizer. It smells fantastic. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sagacious1420

10-15-2003, 03:17 PM

Thanks DrSmellThis. Good to know.

DrSmellThis

10-16-2003, 05:56 AM

Bergamot, while we\'re on the topic, is a good fixative for citrus notes.

Sexyredhead

10-16-2003, 06:35 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Bergamot, while we\'re on the topic,

is a good fixative for citrus notes.

<hr /></blockquote>

Well, it\'s good to know

I\'ve been doing something right. I almost always add bergamot to my citrus mixes, just because I love the way it

smells. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kari

10-16-2003, 06:45 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
OK. Here is the requested formula, using only oils

we have mentioned. I hope it\'s not too complex. As it is above, the order presented is the order you want to use

in creating your perfume. Try to mix after each new oil is added. Numbers will always represent drops.

Turning

Oriental

Base Note:

2 Patchouli
3 sandalwood
1 myrrh
1 cinnamon leaf (not bark, which requires

experience)
4 benzoin

Heart note:

4 ylang ylang
2 lavender
1 anise

Top note:

8

orange

Fixative:

1-2 valerian

Carrier:

100 jojoba

Notice I introduced a new term. A

\'fixative\' is something added to make the scent last longer on your skin, and to enhance the other smells.

<hr /></blockquote>

WOW! Thanks, doc!

Kari

10-16-2003, 06:49 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Examples

of good raw synthetic musk ingredients include muscone, galaxolyde, indole, skatole and ambrettolyde. (1, 2 and 4

smell good.....)

<hr /></blockquote>

I read that indole and skatole (#4) smell

terrible. I think you meant #5 smells good, not #4. I would love to get small bottles of pure synthetic musks

analogous to our chem set packaging. I wonder if IFF would offer them that way? I\'m guessing that the

macrocyclics are the best smelling.

<hr /></blockquote>

Skatole smells like..

excrement. Valerian, on the other hand... smells like dirty socks.

Sagacious1420

10-16-2003, 11:36 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Bergamot, while we\'re on the topic,

is a good fixative for citrus notes.

<hr /></blockquote>

I\'ve been using Bergamot

(bergaptene-free) for citrus notes, in lieu of citrus EOs. From what I\'ve read, citrus oils are phototoxic (I

think that\'s the term), that is they produce a photosensitivity problem when applied to the skin. Am I mistaken?

Actually, I hope so because I would love to add some citrus notes to my mixes. I\'ve also avoided cinnamon

because of skin sensitivilty concerns, but I\'d love to use it. Could I use cinnamon leaf, as opposed to cinnamon

bark w/out such concerns?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Sexyredhead

10-16-2003, 01:13 PM

I apply citrus EO\'s directly to my pasty-white skin and notice no difference,even when I\'m

outside all day. I do not, however, strip naked, oil myself down, and lay in the sun. (I do that at night.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )There are literally tons of things that can make you more

sensitive to the sun, including ibuprofen, birth control pills, and a bunch of other commonly used products.

Elana

10-16-2003, 01:18 PM

DST- Can you give us a rule of thumb by percentages or parts how we should go about experimenting with the

different oils?

Top Notes: Bergamot, Cardamom, Tea tree, Peppermint, Coriander, Eucalyptus, Pink Grapefruit,

Lemongrass, Lemon, Orange, Lime, Cajaput, Ginger

Top/Middle: Clary Sage, Lavender, Rosewood, Geranium

Middle:

Anise, Chamomile, Fir, Rosemary, Black Pepper, Marjoram, Cinnamin, Rose, Juniper, Neroli,

Middle/Base: Ylang

Ylang,

Base: Cederwood, Sandalwood, Patchouli, Benzoin, Vetivert, Myrrh, Frankincense, Jasmine

Sagacious1420

10-16-2003, 05:14 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I apply citrus EO\'s directly to my

pasty-white skin

<hr /></blockquote>

Thanks SRH.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I do not, however, strip naked, oil myself down, and lay in the sun. (I do

that at night. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

<hr /></blockquote>

What flavor oil? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Sagacious1420

10-16-2003, 05:20 PM

Elana-

This web page (\"http://www.aromaweb.com/articles/aromaticblending.asp\") may

help. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Holmes

10-16-2003, 05:26 PM

Great site, Sag!

Holmes

Elana

10-16-2003, 05:32 PM

OMG! This is wonderful! Thanks so much Sag! I am printing it out now.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sagacious1420

10-16-2003, 05:41 PM

No sweat. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Have fun!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DrSmellThis

10-16-2003, 05:41 PM

Some propose a 3:2:1 rule of thumb, from top to mid to base. I just go by my nose

Do not use vodka, as that web

page suggests. Otherwise it looks fine.

Sagacious1420

10-16-2003, 06:33 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Some propose a 3:2:1 rule of thumb,

from top to mid to base. I just go by my nose

Do not use vodka, as that web page suggests. Otherwise it looks

fine.

<hr /></blockquote>

Thanks Doc!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I can vouch for the vodka advice.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DrSmellThis

10-17-2003, 06:48 AM

A mind is a terrible thing -- Dan Quayle.

Elana

10-17-2003, 08:57 AM

Benzoin resin smells

amazing. It reminds me of Dr. Pepper soda, but what the hell am I supposed to do with the stuff? I tried to add some

to an air freshener I was making and it was a nightmare. It stuck to my fingers and clogged up my dropper.
I still

have some stuck to my fingers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

nonscents

10-17-2003, 09:48 AM

This is a

quote from the website posted above:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

To learn

more about the strength of oils, it is useful to try experiments where you add one drop of a selected essential oil

to 5 drops carrier oil to get a 20% dilution, smell it, study the aroma, then add another 5 drops of carrier oil to

get a 10% dilution, smell it and study the aroma again, then repeat as desired. This can help educate you on the

characteristics and strengths of each essential oil at various dilution ratios.

<hr /></blockquote>

I am pretty clueless when it comes to perfumery. But do they really base their calculations in

this way? According to my benighted calculations, if I have one drop of EO and five drops of carrier, I have 6 drops

in total, one of which is EO. So 16.7% is EO. So is not this a 16.7% dilution, and not, as stated, a 20%

dilution?

(Isn\'t Oscar real good at this stuff?)

(Oh, yeah, one other thing. If you need any help,

I\'ll be glad to anoint you, SRH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.)

Sexyredhead

10-17-2003, 10:17 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

(Oh, yeah, one other thing. If you need any help,

I\'ll be glad to anoint you, SRH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.)

<hr

/></blockquote>

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Sagacious1420

10-17-2003, 12:50 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Benzoin resin smells amazing. It reminds me of Dr.

Pepper soda, but what the hell am I supposed to do with the stuff? I tried to add some to an air freshener I was

making and it was a nightmare. It stuck to my fingers and clogged up my dropper.
I still have some stuck to my

fingers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Elana-
Benz is some great stuff, probably one of the best things

DST has turned me on to. I\'m sure that\'s a big part of why I get the yummy comments about my current cologne

mix.

I\'ve tried to work w/ resins, too. Don\'t any more. It\'s a real pain. IIRC, you have to heat some

resins to get them to dissolve in the carrier. I\'m sure the good Doc can address this much better than me. The

benz I\'m using now is much easier to use, still pretty thick, but not as much as the resin. Maybe it\'s a

16.7% dilution. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

When I\'m mixing, I put some alcohol (vodka is OK for this

purpose) in a shot glass. (Don\'t use water!) I rinse out the dropper this way. Seems to work well for those

thick EOs. Just draw some alcohol up into the dropper and squeeze it back into the shot glass. If you\'re really

concerned about \"cross contamination\" you could use 2 shot glasses so that you can clean it out twice. I,

personally, don\'t worry about it.

HTH

DrSmellThis

10-18-2003, 02:31 AM

Benzoin\'s good for your skin, by the way. What do you, WANT, to do with it???

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

A really good thing is to make up the Oriental base note I

suggested with it, and experiment with slight variations! (hint, hint

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)That\'s enough ideas for now, until someone reports

back.

Benzoin is an absolute necessity for perfuming. I get it in large quantities.

I don\'t ever

dilute it until mixing or prefixing (defeats the purpose), but keep it in a dropper bottle. It just has to be in

liquid form. Thick is great.

DrSmellThis

10-18-2003, 02:50 AM

To dissolve

resins, there are three techniques pros use:
1 Use a double boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of

Everclear grain alcohol and time, especially for \'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it

on hand! No vodka, except for drinking. Send your vodka to me!)

Elana

10-18-2003, 05:38 AM

EXIT63

10-18-2003, 06:43 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
won\'t it just harden up again as soon as it

completely cools? The smell is incredible.

<hr /></blockquote>

It will if

YOU\'RE in the same room with it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Elana

10-18-2003, 06:49 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
won\'t it just harden up again as soon as it completely cools? The smell is

incredible.

<hr /></blockquote>

It will if YOU\'RE in the same room with it!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

<hr

/></blockquote>

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Sagacious1420

10-18-2003, 02:05 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
To dissolve resins, there are three techniques pros

use:
1 Use a double boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of Everclear grain alcohol and time,

especially for \'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it on hand! No vodka, except for

drinking. Send your vodka to me!)

<hr /></blockquote>

OK, I agree w/ the grain

alcohol...but they don\'t sell that where I live, so 100 proof vodka is the alternative I have available and I

only use it to clean my \"tools\". Since I use very little of it, there\'s always plenty around for drinking.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

You could get some perfumers alcohol, I suppose.

Btw Doc, I

really like that diluent we discussed a while back...very pleased w/ that purchase. Since I haven\'t used any

resins lately, I can\'t say if it would work any better at dissolving the stuff. Any speculations?

Holmes

10-18-2003, 02:09 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Any speculations?

<hr /></blockquote>

I haven\'t been to the eye doctor in a while.

Holmes

Sagacious1420

10-18-2003, 02:14 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
To dissolve resins, there are three techniques pros use:
1 Use a double

boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of Everclear grain alcohol and time, especially for

\'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it on hand! No vodka, except for drinking. Send your

vodka to me!)

<hr /></blockquote>

This stuff is thicker than molasses. If I

successfully thin it out and use it in a mix, won\'t it just harden up again as soon as it completely cools? The

smell is incredible.

<hr /></blockquote>

Once you have the resin dissolved, you

shouldn\'t need to worry about it. That\'s basically what I\'ve been using...benzoin that\'s already been

dissolved.

DST-

How long in the microwave and at what power level? You\'re talking about heating just the

resin or is a carrier involved, as well?

Sagacious1420

10-18-2003, 02:17 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Any speculations?

<hr /></blockquote>

I

haven\'t been to the eye doctor in a while.

Holmes

<hr /></blockquote>

And I

thought my jokes were painful. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Elana

10-18-2003, 02:23 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
To dissolve

resins, there are three techniques pros use:
1 Use a double boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of

Everclear grain alcohol and time, especially for \'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it

on hand! No vodka, except for drinking. Send your vodka to me!)

<hr /></blockquote>

This stuff is thicker than molasses. If I successfully thin it out and use it in a mix, won\'t it just harden

up again as soon as it completely cools? The smell is incredible.

<hr /></blockquote>

Once you have the resin dissolved, you shouldn\'t need to worry about it. That\'s

basically what I\'ve been using...benzoin that\'s already been dissolved.

DST-

How long in the microwave

and at what power level? You\'re talking about heating just the resin or is a carrier involved, as well?

<hr /></blockquote>

That\'s what I want to know too. It seems that if you just nuked

it straight, it would harden right back up as soon as it cooled...........Behave Exit63

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DrSmellThis

10-18-2003, 03:24 PM

If you

don\'t have everclear, use 151 Rum.

Perfuming alcohol is OK, too.

It doesn/t need to stay liquid for long,

just long enough to add to mix. The mix won\'t turn solid unless its all benzoin. If so use Etoh.

For permanent

liquidity, use Etoh. But thickening a mix ever so slightly is a good thing benzoin does, and is one reason why its a

fixative.

Microwave on lowest setting, briefly. Repeat if necessary.

If it\'s always solid, you can

improvise a scooper from something.

Sagacious1420

10-18-2003, 03:56 PM

Thanks

for the tips, Doc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I tried 151 and it made my stuff smell like

rum and it was pretty persistent. But I don\'t have to be concerned about that, since I found this new stuff.

SweetSeduceGurl

10-19-2003, 08:08 AM

I\'ve been making my own perfumes for some times, I am surprised that there is so much great information in this

thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Elana

10-19-2003, 08:24 AM

SSW- Have you

tried mixing any mones in your creations?

Elana

10-19-2003, 08:31 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
If you don\'t have everclear, use 151

Rum.

Perfuming alcohol is OK, too.

It doesn/t need to stay liquid for long, just long enough to add to mix.

The mix won\'t turn solid unless its all benzoin. If so use Etoh.

For permanent liquidity, use Etoh. But

thickening a mix ever so slightly is a good thing benzoin does, and is one reason why its a fixative.

Microwave

on lowest setting, briefly. Repeat if necessary.

If it\'s always solid, you can improvise a scooper from

something.

<hr /></blockquote>

Thanks DST

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

SweetSeduceGurl

10-19-2003, 08:45 AM

No

honey, not as of yet. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Come to think of it that sounds

marvelous! Well, I\'m not too sure but weren\'t some of the high level perfume makers involved with the use of

pheromones? I say forget the big guys, we could start our own mail order business, that would be divine.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif My grandmother had taught me much, many of my techniques include

indigenious asian ingredients such as wild tropical flowers like Luoyang.

Thanks again, ciao!

DrSmellThis

10-19-2003, 02:07 PM

Students, I

had to rid of that NASTY \"H\" word in the subject heading. This is a nice, sensitive thread for nice, sensitive

peopleses. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Welcome, SSG. You no doubt know many things we don\'t, so

puh-lease continue to speak up, as you have!

Elana

10-19-2003, 02:10 PM

The

nasty H word was still there. I fixed it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

franki

10-19-2003, 02:25 PM

I am really overwhelmed by all the sensitivity in this thread.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Elana

10-19-2003, 02:29 PM

Come over here Franki. I wove you a head band made of ivy and roses. Let\'s hold hands and skip through the

forest.

DrSmellThis

10-19-2003, 02:33 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Benzoin resin smells amazing. It reminds me of Dr.

Pepper soda, but what the hell am I supposed to do with the stuff? I tried to add some to an air freshener I was

making and it was a nightmare. It stuck to my fingers and clogged up my dropper.
I still have some stuck to my

fingers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

<hr /></blockquote>
I\'m a bit suprised no one has punned flirtatiously about this

one, but maybe I\'ve been \'round the block one too many times!

OK, in honor of Elana, ...ready? Dr

Pepper perfume!! Oh Oh Ooooooh! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif (my best Sam Kineson

imitation)

2 patchouli
3 benzoin
1 labdanum
1 vanilla
1 black pepper EO
1 cinnamon
1

neroli
3 lime
2 orange

If you used all organic ingredients, reduced the patchouli and benzoin, and

increased proportions, you could add it to soda water and honey and drink it, for a much healthier version of DP!

You are making my censorship duties harder! (grit your teeth and prepare for the puns) Stop it! Its all

fixed now.

Elana

10-19-2003, 02:37 PM

Wow! I can\'t believe Exit63 missed that one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

What\'s

labdanum? Off to look it up....

DrSmellThis

10-19-2003, 02:45 PM

Something very yummy, as all of you will find out WHEN you make the above, yummy unisex DP perfume. Men

add a drop of sandalwood to yours if you wish to tilt it. This one makes a very good cover scent for those nasty

pheromones!

DrSmellThis

10-19-2003, 03:04 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Bergamot, while we\'re on the topic, is a good fixative for citrus notes.

<hr /></blockquote>

I\'ve been using Bergamot (bergaptene-free) for citrus notes, in

lieu of citrus EOs. From what I\'ve read, citrus oils are phototoxic (I think that\'s the term), that is they

produce a photosensitivity problem when applied to the skin. Am I mistaken? Actually, I hope so because I would

love to add some citrus notes to my mixes. I\'ve also avoided cinnamon because of skin sensitivilty concerns, but

I\'d love to use it. Could I use cinnamon leaf, as opposed to cinnamon bark w/out such concerns?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

<hr /></blockquote>
When you make

perfume blends correctly and use them correctly, there is little cause for concern with phototoxicity and citrus.

Yes, you can substitute the somewhat gentler leaf for the bark.

franki

10-19-2003, 05:04 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Come over here Franki. I wove you a head band made

of ivy and roses. Let\'s hold hands and skip through the forest.

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Sagacious1420

10-19-2003, 09:17 PM

Thanks Doc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Elana

10-20-2003, 06:50 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Oh yes! \"Egyptian baby musk\", one of my

favorites! If only the extraction process didn\'t produce so much crying.

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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DrSmellThis

10-20-2003, 01:55 PM

Damn, I mean

darn, can\'t believe I missed that.

Elana

10-21-2003, 12:42 PM

I put some anise on a

cotton pad and put it one of mt lingerie drawers. My panties have smelled like licorice all day. I love the scent.

DST...any recipes with anise in your creative mind? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DrSmellThis

10-21-2003, 04:47 PM

Anise is

useful in many perfumes. Think of it as candy, and put it with other candy-like scents. You can add a drop to the

above DP perfume with good results. I forget -didn\'t Turning Oriental have anise? I want to minimize new formulae

until people try the ones posted, and tell me other oils they would like to use, or have bought.

Oshadi has a

very good anise for reasonable price (for them, anyway).

Sagacious1420

10-21-2003, 05:32 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
My panties have smelled like licorice all

day

<hr /></blockquote>

Sounds yummy!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

DrSmellThis

10-24-2003, 04:43 AM

How

\'bout a change of pace! Remember when I said perfuming yields mystical knowledge?

A good way to learn

about anything is to study its history. Every master learned treasured wisdom from those who preceeded him or her.

The history of a magical art like perfuming contains esoteric knowledge of the ages.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Here is an interesting link along these lines, which leads to a web

page chock full of such information, and much more. So take a hot scented bath, put some milk and honey on the

stove, don an exotic silk robe, and join our caravan of the mind. Come with me, through a friendly worm hole, to the

land of Ancient Egypt. Come on ladies! You don\'t want the worm hole to close on you! Don\'t be afraid! It

won\'t hurt a bit, it\'s just a little dark! So hold hands tight, and watch your step. Don\'t forget your tea

... just ... follow ...meeeeeee! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

http://www.beautyworlds.com/egyptcosmeticsperfume2.htm (\"http://www.beautyworlds.com/egyptcosmeticsperfume

2.htm\")

DrSmellThis

10-24-2003, 05:02 AM

OK,

speaking of magic, how many of you noticed that the warm milk and honey changed into tea? Be honest, now! After all,

lots of folks have been fooled by my nimble typing fingers!<FORM METHOD=POST

ACTION=\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/dopoll.php\"><INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=\"pollname\"

VALUE=\"1066996970DrSmellThis\">

<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"1\" />What

milk? What tea?
<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"2\" />Of course I saw it!
<input

type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"3\" />Though I\'m normally quite clever, you foooed me this

time!

<INPUT TYPE=Submit NAME=Submit VALUE=\"Submit vote\" class=\"buttons\"></form>

Elana

10-25-2003, 07:16 AM

I was missing a few

things, so I did a version as close to the original as possible. I was so excited when I was able to get my benzoin

to a perfect consistency in the microwave. I haven\'t added a carrier oil yet, and as you can see I multiplied the

recipe x 8. I want to be able to use it for my light bulb ring. I won\'t put it in the nebulizer because the

benzoin will probably be too thick and could cause it to clog. I also like to add a few drops to my unscented body

lotion. I am going to let it sit over night before I start playing with it, but DAMN does it smell good. That

sandalwood is just so sexy. This has everything in it that I love...food and musky sex scent. I know that this one

will be a winner. If any of you have the ingredients for the original recipe, you really should make it. I am going

to make the exact one when I fill in my supplies.

16 Patchouli
24 sandalwood
8 cinnamon leaf
32

benzoin
32 ylang ylang
16 lavender
8 anise
64 grapefruit

OK...I lied. I didn\'t let it sit

over night. I used it in my light bulb ring and in my body lotion. Make it! Just make it.

Elana

10-25-2003, 07:17 AM

and now I know why

they say that Good n Plenty get\'s men/women horny. Anise (and Sandalwood) have become my favorite oils.

Sagacious1420

10-25-2003, 01:15 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
and now I know why they say that Good n Plenty

get\'s men/women horny. Anise (and Sandalwood) have become my favorite oils.

<hr /></blockquote>

Been considering some new additions to my arsenal, I think I may be leaning toward anise and

cinammon. Should work well w/ my current fav mixes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Elana

10-25-2003, 01:17 PM

Yes, get them. Anise

smells so nice on it\'s own. When I make my next order, I am going to get it in the 4 ounce bottle. I love it that

much.

Sagacious1420

10-25-2003, 01:24 PM

Quite a

convincing endorsement, Elana. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Guess I need to run some errands

today. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Got question for you. I had an \"overnight guest\"

recently who said she thought Patchouli smells like sex to her. Would you or any of the other ladies agree?

Needless to say, I put a few drops of Patchouli in my bedroom that night.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Elana

10-25-2003, 01:32 PM

Sandalwood smells like

sex to me.

Sexyredhead

10-25-2003, 01:54 PM

I agree--the

sandalwood smells like sex to me too. Patchouli smells kinda like forest floor--along with vetiver.

Maybe she

likes to have sex outside. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Elana

10-25-2003, 02:07 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Patchouli smells kinda like forest floor--along

with vetiver.

<hr /></blockquote>
Same here...foresty

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sagacious1420

10-25-2003, 02:15 PM

Thanks ladies,

I appreciate your input. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Her comment about Patchouli had me

thinking. I have a buddy who always wreaks of Nag Champa whenever we go out and he seems to get quite a bit of

attention from women. Not certain that this is any explanation at all. I suspect that he\'s been experimenting w/

pheros (he doesn\'t know that I use them, btw, no one does) because for a while he kept making vague comments

about how he must be putting out \"some kind of scent that attracts women\". I never really noticed him getting

anything that I would call a phero hit, but he\'s definitely seen the effects of my phero use. I doubt that he

would ever come right out and say so...he\'s more of the \"hint dropper\" type.

Sagacious1420

10-25-2003, 02:18 PM

Hey, that was

#700! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Man, do I need to get a life or what!?!?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sagacious1420

10-25-2003, 02:20 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Patchouli smells kinda like forest floor--along with vetiver.

<hr

/></blockquote>
Same here...foresty /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

That\'s what I thought too.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Well, she is a bit of a strange bird, after all.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

DrSmellThis

10-25-2003, 04:19 PM

Yes! Congrats.

Glad it turned out well, Elana. Let us know how it matures. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I do

encourage folks to try the original formula if possible, even if you have to go out and buy the oils, just to get

the idea of it. If we eventually all have similar oils, then it will be easier to learn/experiment. Also, it can be

hard, but just a little discipline to not use it IMMEDIATELY might be well worth it.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I am working on a hauntingly erotic women\'s floral

perfume at this moment. I used a whole bottle of original, undiluted EW (100x strength of the current one) in it,

along with many other aphrodisiacs, musks, lots of anise, precious flowers, and pheromones! I\'ve never smelled

anything like it, with all that EW, which smells delightful in the proper context, like every stinky organic

substance. When it\'s finished, Bruce will get a sample.

franki

10-25-2003, 04:24 PM

DST, are you planning

to sell your perfumes? People like me with a f*cked up sense of smell and two left hands will never be able to make

good perfumes themselves...

Franki :-:)~

Ash

10-26-2003, 01:18 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My panties have

smelled like licorice all

day

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sound

s yummy!

<hr /></blockquote>

Now that\'s what I call a \"Good n

Plenty\" treat. \"Sounds yummy\" is right!!!! What kinda candy are you going to be giving out next Friday Elana?

Can I come by? My costume is a full body Penis!!! Whatdoyasay?

Actually you inspired me today Elana (no, not

that kind of inspired). I\'ve been playing around with Anise and Baby Powder oils for a couple of weeks now after

reading that study on women\'s reactions to various scents and today I finally put a cover scent mix together that

works for me. I\'ve tried most of the men\'s Colognes that have been suggested on the Forum and haven\'t liked

any of them. They\'re all just too \"in your face\" for me. Especially compared to some of the real

good(expensive) high end Perfumes I\'ve sniffed. Women\'s Perfumes seem to be so much more refined than the

men\'s stuff. Understandably so. I like refined! I like subtle! But you don\'t seem to get that in a cologne.

By themselves the Anise and BP are way to fem for me but I like that women like and respond to them. The mix

I put together is a real junk-yard affaire but waste not, want not and the end result is great. At least for me.

Manly, but believe it or not, very subtle and refined. Anise, BP, Comtoir Sud Pacifique Vanille Amber(bi),

L\'Artisan Tea for Two (bi), Royall Musk and some Jako Lagerfeld. ShaZam! The Musk and Lagerfeld seem to keep

everything anchored nicely as the Anise, Vanille Amber and BP float across the top. The TforT adds a nice spicy

harmonic. I like it a lot and tomorrow I get to try it out. OH BOY!

Little by little you get sucked in to

\"whole scent\" thing don\'t you? I\'m sure it won\'t be too long before I start buying all the oils

recommended by the good DR. and others on the Forum. It\'s lots of fun and I thank you one and all!

Ash

DrSmellThis

10-26-2003, 03:42 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
DST, are you planning to sell your perfumes? People

like me with a f*cked up sense of smell and two left hands will never be able to make good perfumes

themselves...

Franki :-:)~

<hr /></blockquote>
Only if you explain that emoticon to

me!

Elana

10-26-2003, 03:55 AM

It\'s a person

sticking his tounge out with really, really big nostrils

Elana

10-26-2003, 03:59 AM

The incomplete version

of Turning Oriental covers TE completely. I cannot wait to make the original. I am loving this mix. My sheets smell

like it because I went to sleep with scented body lotion.

Everyone get the stuff and make it.
I have got to

place another order this week. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

DrSmellThis

10-26-2003, 04:08 AM

Actually Bruce

and I have been talking for a while now, but I\'m still working on them. Bruce has been very open and encouraging,

as you might expect. I\'m working on three limited edition perfumes: one men\'s, one women\'s, and one unisex.

The men\'s version, which has been very difficult to create, will be finished first. Of course, Bruce will have to

approve them, and nothing has been sent to him yet. They are very complicated and ambitious perfumes. I\'m sort of

like the Chihuahua of perfumers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif The men\'s formula has around

125 ingredients, and the others aren\'t much different. I can\'t say too much more yet.

Elana

10-26-2003, 04:13 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
The men\'s formula has around 125

ingredients,

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Elana

10-26-2003, 02:09 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Incidentally, if you add Everclear instead of

jojoba to the above recipe, double or triple the strength, and then put it in a bottle of edge, you can make your

own, woman\'s version of Edge Essentials,

<hr /></blockquote>

Can\'t I just use

my oil mix with no carrier and add that to a bottle of The Edge?

DrSmellThis

10-27-2003, 05:59 AM

Of course you

can! But would you want to? Probably not, because edge is half alcohol only, (like vodka) and won\'t dissolve

EO\'s. If they don\'t dissolve they won\'t mask odor as well, or stay mixed. You must add a little grain

alcohol to the oils first to dissolve them, maybe 50/50. You can experiment, and draw your own conclusions. I\'ve

tried it both ways.

DrSmellThis

10-31-2003, 04:10 PM

And here is a

fawking great, simple, tried-n-true, workhorse recipe for you lurking men. (although most women will like it too!) I

am giving 3 versions so you can choose your complexity/sophistication level, and to allow for personal tastes. One

is NOT better than the other!! Just different.

Randy Pants

8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1 Cinnamon

leaf (optional)
1 bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba

This is a

very good cover scent, and an outstanding aphrodisiac for attracting women.

Holmes

10-31-2003, 04:25 PM

Excellent! Big up,

Docta. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Who the hell is Randy Pants? Didn\'t he used to play

guitar with Ozzy Osbourne?

Holmes

Holmes

10-31-2003, 04:38 PM

Oh...and damn! I just

got sweet orange, too! Doh! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Holmes

Sexyredhead

10-31-2003, 05:35 PM

Use the sweet

orange for your house. The ladies\'ll like that too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Elana

10-31-2003, 05:38 PM

or do SRH\'s Orange

Vanilla lifesavers recipe. YUMMMMMMMM

Holmes

10-31-2003, 05:52 PM

Oh that\'s right!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I\'ll give it a try!

Is sweet orange an inappropriate

fragrance for a guy to wear, though? Can I add anything to make it more suitable?

Holmes

Sexyredhead

10-31-2003, 05:55 PM

If you wore it I

would think you were an orange tootsie roll pop.

How many licks would it take, I wonder?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

fiddler

10-31-2003, 09:32 PM

hey

doc,

where\'s the other 2 formulas?!?

fiddler

Sexyredhead

11-01-2003, 04:11 AM

formula

1:

All ingredients

formula 2:

with only the optional cinnamon leaf added

formula 3:

with both the

optional cinnamon leaf and bitter orange added

DrSmellThis

11-01-2003, 07:04 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Excellent! Big up, Docta.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Who the hell is Randy Pants? Didn\'t he used to play

guitar with Ozzy Osbourne?

Holmes

<hr /></blockquote>

I am Randy Pants.

That Randy Rhodes guy is always tryng to take credit for my work! Did you know Ozzy once snorted a phat line of

ants?

DrSmellThis

11-01-2003, 07:17 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Oh that\'s right!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I\'ll give it a try!

Is sweet orange an inappropriate

fragrance for a guy to wear, though? Can I add anything to make it more suitable?

Holmes

<hr

/></blockquote>
Yes. Elana\'s anise panties.

DrSmellThis

11-01-2003, 07:19 AM

Thanks, SRH!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Holmes

11-01-2003, 07:56 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I am Randy Pants. That Randy Rhodes guy is always

tryng to take credit for my work! Did you know Ozzy once snorted a phat line of ants?

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Yes. Elana\'s anise panties.

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ah, right. Thanks!

Holmes

Holmes

11-01-2003, 08:06 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
If you wore it I would think you were an orange

tootsie roll pop.

How many licks would it take, I wonder?

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Well, I would

think more than three...

Holmes

fiddler

11-02-2003, 12:26 PM

DST,

i have

access to a orgo lab. which alcohol would you recommend for dilution, mixing, etc.? For perfumes, aromatherapy,

etc. thanks.

fiddler

DrSmellThis

11-03-2003, 05:04 AM

-- purest ethanol

you can find -- grain alcohol. Never wood alcohol.

So who has tried Randy Pants? Let\'s get busy, germs!

Throw Teach an apple here!

Even though I made up the formula off the top of my head, I really do suspect the

combo is really a thousand years old or something, and I\'m just ignorant of it! It is similar in approach to

Satyr (which also has a cinnamon-floral note), an ancient occult recipe A. Crowley repopularized for attracting

mates. I think this one is almost as good (although Randy Pants lacks the lovely animal musks. It would be a waste

for me to go there. Those who wish to nudge it that way can add a drop of valerian and/or cistus -- trust me here).

His formula is more successful for attracting gay men, I think, but I like mine for heteros. Do a little intentional

meditation and mantra with it after compounding if you want to imitate the ancients.

Elana

11-03-2003, 12:46 PM

DrSmellThis

11-03-2003, 02:26 PM

There is no way

to avoid spending the money on precious flower oils with this one. You can\'t do everything with lavender and

geranium, unfortunately. You could try ylang ylang, but there would be a definite drop off in effectiveness. The

balance would be totally changed, since ylang is spicy like the cinnamon, and doesn\'t enhance the wood note to

the same degree. Still, there\'s no harm in experimenting to make something with a different idea.

I get

around it sometimes by buying them diluted (Aromaland makes them this way) or diluting them 10:1 with jojoba once I

get them to make them last. (Maybe using a splash of alcohol on the empty bottle when transferring to a larger

bottle to avoid waste, and pouring the jojoba in that bottle first, also.)

In general, it\'s better to have

a few costly oils you love than huge stockpiles of cheap ones you\'ll rarely use. At least, that\'s been my

thinking. It\'s only different for me because I make things for other people.

DrSmellThis

11-03-2003, 06:45 PM

Oh, I forgot.

DUHHHHHHHH!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Some substitute the cheaper petitgrain for neroli. So it\'s worth trying that. They both come from the same kind

of orange tree (leaves versus flowers), and have a sort of similar scent. It won\'t be quite as good, of course.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif (A shout out to my cuz franki, for turning me on to the ever

annoying smirkicon.) But it won\'t clash. Petitgrain goes well with woods, in general.

DrSmellThis

11-03-2003, 07:07 PM

Has anyone gotten

ahold of the Aftel text?? It\'s reeely good, and fun reading, with all the history & stuff!

Someday

I\'ll get past the naked lady.

It can be purchased from

http://www.Powells.com (\"http://www.Powells.com\") for $14.00.

DrSmellThis

11-04-2003, 05:14 AM

And while

we\'re on the subject, check her

out.

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio

?inkey=62-0865476438-0 (\"http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-0865476438-0\")

CptKipling

11-04-2003, 02:29 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Actually Bruce and I have been talking for a while

now, but I\'m still working on them. Bruce has been very open and encouraging, as you might expect. I\'m working

on three limited edition perfumes: one men\'s, one women\'s, and one unisex. The men\'s version, which has

been very difficult to create, will be finished first. Of course, Bruce will have to approve them, and nothing has

been sent to him yet. They are very complicated and ambitious perfumes. I\'m sort of like the Chihuahua of

perfumers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif The men\'s formula has around 125 ingredients, and

the others aren\'t much different. I can\'t say too much more yet.

<hr /></blockquote>

I\'d buy it!

Ash

11-04-2003, 06:03 PM

Me too!!!

DrSmellThis

11-04-2003, 09:19 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Me too!!!

<hr /></blockquote>
I will let everyone know when I\'ve finished the first perfume and run it by the boss. Today I

made a lot of progress on the men\'s creation, as well as the label and bottle art; which led me to believe it is

near finished. Of course \"near\" is a relative term! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I feel intoxicated right now from smelling it. It definitely has a

narcotic effect as part of the psychological package! Which brings me to today\'s tips:

1. Stop right

now and question the emotional qualities you like to create in your perfumes, in terms of images, stories, and

fantasies that spring to mind. Maybe you are thinking of marauding pirates, an intimate night at home, a night at

the opera, an orgy, a speakeasy, a racetrack, a rave, or a barber shop. Tell a little story about it. What effects,

images, and emotions would have to be experienced by yourself and others in order for those fantasies to be true? In

what order would they have to be, and how do you imagine the emotions would interact with each other? Lastly, what

oils might capture those emotions? Do a search on the internet with the oil and the word \"properties\" to get

hints. A great perfume orchestrates an experience for someone exposed to it, sort of like a movie does.

2.

Every good perfume must have a single theme! This is NOT to say you have to be able to put the theme into

words! But it is nonetheless a rule. Thinking about the psychology you want is one good way to make sure your

perfume has a theme.

Todays thought exercise: How is this approach I just described different from that of

\"aromatherapy\"?

Elana

11-05-2003, 05:20 AM

What a fantastic

post, DST. I just need to familiarize myself with the scents before I can attempt to create things that I am

feeling.

DrSmellThis

11-05-2003, 08:01 PM

Mmmmm Hmm.

DrSmellThis

11-05-2003, 08:21 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
And while we\'re on the subject, check her

out.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?i

nkey=62-0865476438-0 (\"http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-0865476438-0\")

<hr /></blockquote><FORM METHOD=POST

ACTION=\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/dopoll.php\"><INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=\"pollname\"

VALUE=\"1068088906DrSmellThis\">

Lame Library Pun Poll!<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\"

value=\"1\" />Yes I got the stupid pun.<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"2\" />No, didn\'t get

the stupid pun<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"3\" />You shouldn\'t call your sweet cinnamon

puns stupid! That\'s muffin to get upset about!<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"4\" />None of

the freakin\' a -- bove!

DrSmellThis

11-06-2003, 11:57 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
formula 1:

All ingredients

formula 2:

with

only the optional cinnamon leaf added

formula 3:

with both the optional cinnamon leaf and bitter orange

added

<hr /></blockquote>
Oops, I missed this: Formula 1 of Randy Pants is just

the sandal and neroli. #2 has the cinnamon. # 3 has everything.

DrSmellThis

11-06-2003, 12:41 PM

Answer to the

above thought exercise:

You guys and gals need never be confused when people start talking about

\'aromatherapy\' while you are trying to talk about perfume. Aroma-therapy is about healing, and mitigating

harm. It presumes a lack, disease, or stressful circumstances; an unwellness.

Like aromatherapy,

perfuming is a science. But perfuming, as I have described it, is much bigger. It is world culture and

history; art; fashion; a form of recreation, sprituality and sensuous life enhancement. Since it trains the nose, it

enhances survival and procreation; as well as one\'s ability and sensitivity for intimacy. It is a social glue

that enables smelly humans to get along. Perfumes are items of prescious value, signifying status, sophistication,

magic, and enjoyment of life.

Now I am going to be so presumtuous as to \'assign homework.\' But how

can I get away with such preposterousness, you might ask, since none of you formally agreed to participate in any

class? The answer is, I am now categorically renouncing sensitivity! I can get away with it because I\'m a

bastard, and don\'t care! Neener, neener neener! And because I\'m going to wait to post new information until

some people get more involved! Because I do care. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Because the

learning is mostly in the doing in perfumery.

Y\'all\'s assignment is to submit an original mix for

discussion, following the principles, examples and tips we have discussed so far. I\'m asking for folks to please

say something about the theme of their mix, not just give drops; and to say how the oils they have chosen

expresses that theme.

DrSmellThis

11-06-2003, 12:51 PM

Oh, since I

screwed up slightly on the above poll, the only way you can vote and see results is to press \'enter\'. Sorry

for the confusion. Of course, I am aware that nobody but moi cares about the dumb poll. But teaching is an

essentially narcissistic enterprise, that only pretends to help people. God, that feels better. How did I ever think

I could become sensitive?

Kari

11-06-2003, 01:01 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Quite a convincing endorsement, Elana.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Guess I need to run some errands today.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Got question for you. I had an \"overnight guest\" recently

who said she thought Patchouli smells like sex to her. Would you or any of the other ladies agree?

Needless to

say, I put a few drops of Patchouli in my bedroom that night. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr

/></blockquote>

Patchouli smells woody, and very sexy in a \"clean\" way.

Elana

11-07-2003, 06:03 AM

I made the exact

recipe for Turning Oriental. It\'s brilliant! It\'s so sexy. I even used a bit in my nebulizer (not a great idea

because of the thick benzoin) and my room smells gorgeous.

I don\'t know if any of you guys are making any of

these recipes that DST is posting. If you are not you are really missing out.

bjf

11-07-2003, 06:11 AM

How much do you wear of

these things (application amount)?

Everything smells sexy to you. Water smells sexy to you

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously, how do they compare to the comercial perfumes (be

honest).

Elana

11-07-2003, 06:37 AM

No...I don\'t like

really light, girlie, flowery fragrances. I like sweet, spicy, oriental, musky stuff.

Trust me...this stuff

smells like something that you would buy in the department store. I think it is very unisex as well.

mmmmmmmmm

that man is wearing bottled water....I am so turned on. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kari

11-07-2003, 06:49 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
How much do you wear of these things (application

amount)?

Everything smells sexy to you. Water smells sexy to you

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously, how do they compare to the comercial perfumes (be

honest).

<hr /></blockquote>

I agree with Elane. I go for the orientals, but I prefer

mostly vanilla-based ones like Allure and Shalimar.

I wear the straight perfume oils, which I order from Kuwait.

It\'s the same as the perfume, but no alchohol. I guess the Kuwaitis prefer their designer perfumes concentrated.

Elana

11-07-2003, 06:55 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
How much do you wear of these things (application

amount)?

<hr /></blockquote>

I didn\'t add a carrier to it. I like to use it

straight. I multiply the amounts x 8. I put a small amount of unscented lotion in my hand and add a few drops. I am

wearing it now directly on my skin with no lotion. I thought that the cinnamon might bother my skin, but it does

not. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

bjf

11-07-2003, 07:00 AM

all this stuff seems

like it would smell good. plus a lot funner to make it yourself then buying some commerical fgragrance. That is

why I don\'t like to wear some of the good colognes -- everyone else has them, I just think it is so unoriginal.

Anyone know of any plays with a large sampler set of a lot of different oils in very small quanties?

Sexyredhead

11-07-2003, 09:15 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Answer to the above thought exercise:

You

guys and gals need never be confused when people start talking about \'aromatherapy\' while you are trying to

talk about perfume. Aroma-therapy is about healing, and mitigating harm. It presumes a lack, disease, or stressful

circumstances; an unwellness.

Like aromatherapy, perfuming is a science. But perfuming, as I have

described it, is much bigger. It is world culture and history; art; fashion; a form of recreation, sprituality and

sensuous life enhancement. Since it trains the nose, it enhances survival and procreation; as well as one\'s

ability and sensitivity for intimacy. It is a social glue that enables smelly humans to get along. Perfumes are

items of prescious value, signifying status, sophistication, magic, and enjoyment of life.

Now I am going to be

so presumtuous as to \'assign homework.\' But how can I get away with such preposterousness, you might

ask, since none of you formally agreed to participate in any class? The answer is, I am now categorically renouncing

sensitivity! I can get away with it because I\'m a bastard, and don\'t care! Neener, neener neener! And because

I\'m going to wait to post new information until some people get more involved! Because I do care.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Because the learning is mostly in the doing in

perfumery.

Y\'all\'s assignment is to submit an original mix for discussion, following the principles,

examples and tips we have discussed so far. I\'m asking for folks to please say something about the theme

of their mix, not just give drops; and to say how the oils they have chosen expresses that theme.

<hr /></blockquote>

My homework must wait until my sense of smell comes back.

Hopefully around the first frost, when whatever it is I\'ve been allergic to for the past few weeks DIES.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Elana

11-07-2003, 09:32 AM

My first attempt

sucked. I started with 6 Peppermint, 4 Rosemary, and 2 Cedarwood. It smelled like a doctors office rather then a

snowy winter day in the forest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I\'ll try

again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Elana

11-07-2003, 09:33 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I agree with Elane.

<hr /></blockquote>

Who is she? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Gimme my A

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sexyredhead

11-07-2003, 09:40 AM

DrSmellThis

11-07-2003, 09:47 AM

Elana, that\'s

the \'familiarity beforehand\' factor you were talking about, I think. All of those oils had medicinal/chemical

overtones, and function in the same portion of the smell spectrum, that of sharp top notes.

You are to be

commended for your bravery and diligence.

bjf

11-07-2003, 10:05 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Who is she? Gimme my A

<hr

/></blockquote>

E-L-A-N-A No more butchering please!!!

Sagacious1420

11-07-2003, 02:01 PM

A

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DrSmellThis

11-08-2003, 08:52 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I made the exact recipe for Turning Oriental.

It\'s brilliant! It\'s so sexy. I even used a bit in my nebulizer (not a great idea because of the thick

benzoin) and my room smells gorgeous.

I don\'t know if any of you guys are making any of these recipes that

DST is posting. If you are not you are really missing out.

<hr /></blockquote>Thank you

very much, Elana. I\'m glad it turned out well. So how many drops of valerian did you end up using?

Hungry

11-08-2003, 10:34 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Randy Pants

8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1

Cinnamon leaf (optional)
1 bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba

<hr /></blockquote>

Ahh, thank you Doc. I\'m going to try this right now. Please

post more recipes, I\'ll try them all.

PS: I\'ll be lining up to buy the mens formula you\'re working on.

I\'m also happy to beta-test if you need anyone /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hungry

DrSmellThis

11-08-2003, 10:41 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
My first attempt sucked. I started with 6

Peppermint, 4 Rosemary, and 2 Cedarwood. It smelled like a doctors office rather then a snowy winter day in the

forest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I\'ll try again.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<hr /></blockquote>
Interestingly,

the mix you made would be a great rodent repellant, if you bump up the cedar to 8!! I\'m serious here! It will

work better than poison or traps, if you make enough. Just sprinkle it where they go, and they\'ll either leave or

never come in for the winter. So what were you going for? Snowy winter day in the forest? Let\'s keep your

ingredients in there, and add a little cozy cabin action. This one is called,

Nick no Saint Callin\' his

Ho\'s

Base note:
3 patchouli
6 cedar
6 benzoin

Heart note:
4

cinnamon leaf
8 clove
3 lavender
1 rosemary (or sage)

Top note:
3 pine needle
16

orange
8 bergamot
8 juniper
1 peppermint

Fixative
1 valerian

Mix as before. Dilute

oils with everclear 4:1. Let sit for three days in an airtight glass vial. Then mix with a little

sweetener-free vanilla extract (alcohol base only, like you cook with; a capful -- just a guess)! Ho ho ho!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

bjf

11-09-2003, 09:24 AM

Where do you come up

with these ratios? Are these your own findings or shared knowledge from those in perfumery.

It is all really

interesting stuff. I wish I could buy those. Bruce has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or

something.

fiddler

11-09-2003, 11:12 AM

DST,

any floral

formulas for women?

i\'ll second bjf, where do you come up with this? we all want to

know!

thanks.

fiddler

Elana

11-09-2003, 11:14 AM

I am having a lot of

fun playing around with these recipes, but I am not even close to being ready to come up with my own. I quit the

exercise, but I will try it when I am a bit more familiar with the oils. SRH...go for it!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Elana

11-09-2003, 11:18 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
So how many drops of valerian did you end up using?

<hr /></blockquote>

When I made my two batches of incomplete and slightly

different Turning Oriental, I made huge amounts. When I made the real recipe, I did it exactly as you posted.

DrSmellThis

11-09-2003, 03:59 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
DST,

any floral formulas for women?

i\'ll

second bjf, where do you come up with this? we all want to know!

thanks.

fiddler

<hr

/></blockquote>
See above. My first recipe was a floral. I also gave partial instrustions

for rose and jasmine scents.

DrSmellThis

11-09-2003, 04:02 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Where do you come up with these ratios? Are these

your own findings or shared knowledge from those in perfumery.

It is all really interesting stuff. I wish I

could buy those. Bruce has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or something.

<hr

/></blockquote>

The ratios come from experience, and are partially intuitive.

Sometimes they come from hell, as I make lots of mistakes.

Today\'s tip
The technical secret to

ratios is to practice mentally comparing relative strengths of the different oils. So for neroli:sandalwood in Randy

Pants, I was thinking the ratio is maybe 4.5:1. You can go through each pair of oils in this way if you are really

anal, which I\'m not. The stronger an oil is, the less you use. Notice how I applied that principle to peppermint

in the example above. Of course, artistic intentions also help determine ratios. What do you want it to smell mostly

like?

DrSmellThis

11-09-2003, 04:05 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I am having a lot of fun playing around with these

recipes, but I am not even close to being ready to come up with my own. I quit the exercise, but I will try it when

I am a bit more familiar with the oils. SRH...go for it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

<hr /></blockquote>
Thanks for sharing that. If you do try your own, it should be

helpful to review the nooks and crannies of the thread. Feel good about yourself for pioneering. Funky formulas are

just part of the game.

bjf

11-09-2003, 04:06 PM

Doc, I noticed that big

time with peppermint. If you remember, Ihad Pmed you about that one. Well I actually use a mouthwash made of E.Os

and it is a lot of peppermint, and it smells like it (just not as sweet). It saw just how little effected

sandlewood and gardenia and white musk. It definitely is a strong oil.

DrSmellThis

11-09-2003, 04:23 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Doc, I noticed that big time with peppermint. If

you remember, Ihad Pmed you about that one. Well I actually use a mouthwash made of E.Os and it is a lot of

peppermint, and it smells like it (just not as sweet). It saw just how little effected sandlewood and gardenia and

white musk. It definitely is a strong oil.

<hr /></blockquote>

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Everone should get jojoba and empty vials to dilute the

stronger oils with. This will save you a lot of otherwise wasted money. Always dilute to an easy to remember ratio,

such as 10:1, etc. Oils that should probably be diluted include all the animal essences, nutmeg, costus, sage,

rosemary, oud, jasmine, neroli, angelica, and cinnamon bark.

DrSmellThis

11-09-2003, 04:31 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Randy Pants

8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1 Cinnamon leaf (optional)
1

bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba

<hr /></blockquote>

Ahh, thank you Doc. I\'m going to try this right now. Please post more recipes, I\'ll

try them all.

PS: I\'ll be lining up to buy the mens formula you\'re working on. I\'m also happy to

beta-test if you need anyone /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hungry

<hr

/></blockquote>
Good luck. Please, let us know how it turned out.

Hungry

11-10-2003, 04:03 AM

I couldn\'t find

anything stronger than 2.5% Neroli in stores near me, so I ordered it in. <sigh> Now I have to wait a few

days.

Hungry

DrSmellThis

11-10-2003, 06:09 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Where do you come up with these ratios? Are these your own findings or

shared knowledge from those in perfumery.

It is all really interesting stuff. I wish I could buy those. Bruce

has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or something.

<hr /></blockquote>

The ratios come from experience, and are partially intuitive. Sometimes they come from hell, as

I make lots of mistakes.

Today\'s tip
The technical secret to ratios is to practice mentally comparing

relative strengths of the different oils. So for neroli:sandalwood in Randy Pants, I was thinking the ratio is maybe

4.5:1. You can go through each pair of oils in this way if you are really anal, which I\'m not. The stronger an

oil is, the less you use. Notice how I applied that principle to peppermint in the example above. Of course,

artistic intentions also help determine ratios. What do you want it to smell mostly like?

<hr

/></blockquote>

I have in mind logic for a program that will automatically design perfumes

based on a few principles (of ratios, etc.), in case abductor wants to collaborate. It wouldn\'t be like the

perfumer\'s workbook, but would aim at simpleness.

DrSmellThis

11-10-2003, 06:21 AM

How about somebody posting a poem or two about perfume, if I promise to post some! Deal? Break

out the Kava Kava!

Elana

11-10-2003, 06:39 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
How about somebody posting a

poem or two about perfume,

<hr /></blockquote>

I would rather stab myself in the eye

with a fork.

Elana

11-10-2003, 07:33 AM

I just mixed 75 drops of Turning Oriental. I used 50 drops of straight oil and 25 drops of

carrier oil. I added 25 drops of AE/w, 25 drops of PI/w, and 20 drops of TE/w. I can\'t detect the TE. I will let

you all know how it wears.

randa

11-10-2003, 08:29 AM

Thought you guys

might like this site, has recipes for winter/holiday scents. Can be used to make home scent or perfume.

Snow Drift Farm (\"http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_scentblends.html\")

nonscents

11-10-2003, 09:48 AM

I

haven\'t used commercial deodorant for years. (They give me a rash.) I use Everclear and play with essential

oils.

So I\'ve been reading this thread and bought some patchouli at the supermarket on my way home. I started

playing with it and didn\'t think anything of it. I kept it with my other essential oils in the kitchen

cabinet.

A couple of days before Halloween I sat down with my son and we carved the pumpkin. Then it sat around

for a few days in the kitchen.

I started noticing more and more that there was a real foul odor in the kitchen. I

thought it was time to dump the pumpkin. But the odor was barely detectable near pumpkin. Around my cabinet in the

kitchen, it was putrid. I finally realized that the patchouli was the source.

It doesn\'t seem bad at all

diluted with Everclear in my deodorants. But it smells like a mouse died in the back of my kitchen

cabinet.

Thanks Doc! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bjf

11-10-2003, 03:06 PM

nonscents.

So many of these EOs smell terrible on there own for my taste. But when you are diluting that heavily, I guess it

has to smell really extreme in the fragrance it is to add the right note to your prefume. But I am with you in not

like the smell of patcholi.

DST,

If we wear these perfumes in combonation with phermones, are we to

make the perfumes to smell good on their own, and then use as a cover, or to smell okay on their own, but better

then the former when combined with mones?

If we are to do tak into account pheromones, should we just premix

are frangrances with the product of choice, so that we know how it will smell?

Also, what E.Os are good for

covering the cat piss smells, and how would peppermint do?

I am aiming to make a bottle of NPA with eo\'s,

with the total content remaining a substantial amount of npa. I would like to avoid also hitting people with scent

overkill, even if it smells good, though I realize I will need to cover the cat piss smell with some strong

scent(s).

DrSmellThis

11-11-2003, 07:30 PM

You

should take into account the pheromones, technically. Practically, I think we should not worry about it, and just

make something that smells good. Any recipe I provide will work well with raw pheromones. I do not generally

recommend mixing perfumes together, however.

DrSmellThis

11-11-2003, 07:32 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Thought you guys might like this site, has recipes

for winter/holiday scents. Can be used to make home scent or perfume.

www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_scentblends.html (\"http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_scentblends.html\")

<hr /></blockquote>
Thanks, Randa!

DrSmellThis

11-11-2003, 07:40 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I haven\'t used commercial deodorant for years.

(They give me a rash.) I use Everclear and play with essential oils.

So I\'ve been reading this thread and

bought some patchouli at the supermarket on my way home. I started playing with it and didn\'t think anything of

it. I kept it with my other essential oils in the kitchen cabinet.

A couple of days before Halloween I sat down

with my son and we carved the pumpkin. Then it sat around for a few days in the kitchen.

I started noticing more

and more that there was a real foul odor in the kitchen. I thought it was time to dump the pumpkin. But the odor was

barely detectable near pumpkin. Around my cabinet in the kitchen, it was putrid. I finally realized that the

patchouli was the source.

It doesn\'t seem bad at all diluted with Everclear in my deodorants. But it smells

like a mouse died in the back of my kitchen cabinet.

Thanks Doc!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote>
You should be

thanking Elana for the rodent repellant recipe. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DrSmellThis

11-12-2003, 04:05 AM

And

here\'s the simplest great men\'s recipe you\'ll ever see:

Clean, Sexy and Butt-Ass Lazy!

2 Sandalwood

Apply liberally to your greasy, unwashed body once every day.

franki

11-12-2003, 04:08 AM

That sounds

like something for me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DrSmellThis

11-12-2003, 04:13 AM

It\'s

the one I use.

Elana

11-14-2003, 06:09 AM

www.mothernature.com (\"http://www.mothernature.com\") has free shipping today. If you need to pick up a

few oils for some of DST\'s mixes, you may as well take advantage of this because there is no minimum ordering

requirements.

Enter code: VETSDAY

bjf

11-14-2003, 07:46 AM

Do you or

anybody else no about their thin to thick shampoo (on the front page)

My hair gets so greasy easily, I have to

use clarifying. I wonder if this will just make my hair greasy.

Elana

11-14-2003, 07:50 AM

I don\'t

know anything about it?

I just ordered the unscented conditioner so I can mix in my own EO\'s for custom

smelling hair. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Elana

11-16-2003, 11:52 AM

DST...both SRH and I placed large

orders for some of the oils we have been missing, including the Rose otto and Neroli. Now we are ready to play with

the big boys /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sexyredhead

11-16-2003, 01:01 PM

Yep, we bought ourselves

enough oils to wrassle in! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

We\'ll let you know when they come

in so you can buy tickets. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Elana

11-17-2003, 05:11 AM

I didn\'t do

anything yet. I just want to know if I am going in the right direction.

6 Sweet Orange or Neroli
4

Geranium
1 Vanilla or Benzoin
1 Sandalwood

DrSmellThis

11-19-2003, 11:02 AM

Some good

elements. Would smell good.

When starting out, it helps to divide into 3 parts for top, mid and bottom, as I

suggested in the beginning. Your formula is top heavy, with little bottom and almost no mid.

Elana

11-19-2003, 03:28 PM

I thought that

is what I did.
Isn\'t it Orange (T), Benzoin (M) and Sandalwood (B)?

DrSmellThis

11-19-2003, 04:25 PM

Benzoin

is more of a base note, due to its extremely slow evaporation rate.

It also might be helpful to think of

the 3:2:1 ratio along with that scheme. You add up the drops in each category to get the ratio.

DrSmellThis

11-20-2003, 12:31 AM

Yours

would be 10:1:1 if you considered benzoin a middle note, or 10:0:2 if a base note. (See first post in thread for

relevant criterion.) Applying the 3:2:1 \"rule\" should get your perfume in shape.

Keep in mind that something

can smell nice (like yours)without the rule, but we typically want perfumes to be balanced across the volatility

spectrum, as a \"complete smell experience\" that will develop nicely with time.

Elana

11-20-2003, 03:44 PM

Sorry about

what I posted. I was not correct. This is what I thought I was doing...

6 Sweet Orange or Neroli (TOP)
4

Geranium (MIDDLE)
1 Vanilla or Benzoin (BASE)
1 Sandalwood (BASE)

Sexyredhead

11-20-2003, 03:58 PM

Sooooooo...what might a girl use as a fixative if say, valerian root was on back order and she didn\'t know

another good source?

Hypothetically, of course. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sexyredhead

11-25-2003, 07:15 PM

Ok, to

list my newly stocked inventory of EO\'s (and to bump this thread up

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif):

ylang ylang
rosemary
clary

sage
grapefruit
vetiver
bergamot
lavender
cinnamon leaf
lemon
lime
rosewood
eucalyptus
sweet

orange
palmarosa
red mandarin
tea tree
anise
ginger
geranium
cajeput
peppermint
german

chamomile
sandalwood
frankincense
niaouli
fir needle
wintergreen
neroli
myrrh
jasmine

absolute
benzoin
black pepper
clove bud
atlas cedarwood
patchouli
sweet birch
juniperberry
rose otto
bitter

orange

fragrance oils:

bayberry
pumpkin pie
almond
vanilla lace
amaretto

Sexyredhead

11-25-2003, 07:57 PM

Ok,

I\'ve made Here Smell Me and Turning Oriental so far. Everything smells yummy.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I used atlas cedarwood as a fixative instead of valerian root,

since I can\'t get valerian root right now. Both mixes are sitting through at least tomorrow and maybe until after

Thanksgiving before my final verdict.

Holmes

11-25-2003, 08:10 PM

Yeah,

Valerian Root has been difficult to find for some reason. I might try substituting with Patchouli for the Randy

Pants. Will that work?

Holmes

Sexyredhead

11-26-2003, 04:29 AM

Probably

because all the lurkers went out and bought it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif To think we

caused a shortage in the world\'s supply of valerian root! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Yes, I

would think patchouli would work fine. Does it already have patchouli in the recipe? Just make sure you don\'t

over-patchouli it.

Elana

11-26-2003, 04:53 AM

DST...please give us

more /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

SRH...the black pepper addiction was a very nice idea. I

think I will add a bit more. I must be WAY overdoing my Essential oil to Jojoba. I used about 40 drops of EO to 160

drops of jojoba. After this mix I read that it should be about 2 drops of EO to every 90 drops of jojoba.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Oooops /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sexyredhead

11-26-2003, 06:13 AM

Just make a

great big batch. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I\'m glad it\'s working. I may have to make

that one up too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Whitehall

11-26-2003, 09:34 AM

A good guide to the

relative strengths of the various EOs is found in the back of Tisserard\'s book on Aromatheraphy. That table

should give you guidence on the relative mixing proportions when making a mix.

It also has an appendix on the

relative volitility. That\'s a guide to which EOs are top notes, which are fixatives, etc.

The part about the

astrological signs of the various EOs strains my personal

belief.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0892810017/qid=1069868017/sr=1-

27/ref=sr_1_27/104-9446896-6119150?v=glance&s=books (\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0892810017/qid=1069868017/sr=1-27/ref=sr_1_27/104-9

446896-6119150?v=glance&s=books\")

DrSmellThis

11-29-2003, 05:13 AM

Hi all.

Patchouli, in relatively small quantities, is a good overall fixative. Cedar is a little weak in the base note for

overall fixation, but is a good mid/top fixative when you already have a base fixative, if that makes sense.

You

can substitute things for valerian, but they are all just as obscure. I will go there if folks request it. To make a

long story short, Angelica root is the easiest of them to find. But I would dilute angelica in jojoba 10:1 before

using.

It\'s fine to leave valerian out if you want. Animal notes are important, though.

DrSmellThis

11-29-2003, 05:19 AM

Informative and

accurate post, WH. Relative volatility is good to know, although memorizing the numbers is not important, IMO.

DrSmellThis

11-29-2003, 05:30 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
DST...please give us more

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

SRH...the black pepper addiction was a very nice idea. I think

I will add a bit more. I must be WAY overdoing my Essential oil to Jojoba. I used about 40 drops of EO to 160 drops

of jojoba. After this mix I read that it should be about 2 drops of EO to every 90 drops of jojoba.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Oooops /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote>What you were doing sounds fine, depending on whether you wanted

\"eau de perfume strength\". Weaker concentrations are good for \"eau de cologne\", body oils,

aftershaves, etc.

Hungry

12-04-2003, 03:35 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Clean, Sexy and Butt-Ass Lazy!

2 Sandalwood

<hr /></blockquote>

I\'ve been using the Randy Pants recipe for a couple

of weeks now,and I like it a lot, particularly the valarian root version. I was surprised to get a lot of looks

from women while wearing it. But, I have to admit, plain old sandalwood is still my favourite. It\'s what I

still use in my phero mixes.

Hungry

Elana

12-04-2003, 06:37 AM

Where the

hell have you been, Hungry?

DST...we need some more recipes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Elana

12-08-2003, 03:59 PM

I just got a

really nice book today called \"The scented woman.\" It is a tiny little hard covered black book with just 10

recipes. I\'ll post them all eventually. Is that legal? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif All of

these use alcohol as the carrier. Here is the first one...

DELIGHT

60 drops of Cassis
9 drops of

Vetiver
6 drops of Cinnamon
6 drops of Pine Balsam.

Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle

Elana

12-08-2003, 04:01 PM

INTRIGUE

40 drops of

Ambergris
16 drops of Jasmine
8 drops of Musk
4 drops of Frankincense

Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle

Elana

12-08-2003, 04:02 PM

FRESH

24 drops of Sandalwood
20

drops of Neroli
12 drops of Rose
8 drops of Cinnamon
4 drops of Rosemary
4 drops of Lemongrass

Dilute to fill

a 1 ounce bottle

Elana

12-08-2003, 04:05 PM

NIGHT

18 drops of Patchouli
9

drops of Vanilla
9 drops of Amber
30 drops of Neroli
18 drops of Jasmine

Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle

Sexyredhead

12-08-2003, 04:12 PM

I will try them ALL!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif As soon as I get some Amber.

Here\'s a recipe I got from

Snowdrift Farm called Three Kings. I made it up last night and put it in the diffuser, and my house smells so good I

can\'t be in it without smiling, and thinking of sex. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Three Kings

4 drops frankincense
4 drops

myrrh
4 drops sandalwood
4 drops Bulgarian lavender
2 drops ylang ylang
4 drops rose absolute
4 drops

jasmin absolute
3 drops lemon

Elana

12-09-2003, 04:52 AM

SPRING

30 drops of Lavender
8

drops of Rosemary
20 drops of Tuberose
16 drops of Oakmoss

Dilute to fill a 1 ounce bottle

Sexyredhead

12-09-2003, 05:06 AM

Where\'s a good source for

Oakmoss, btw?

And tuberose, while we\'re at it?

Elana

12-09-2003, 05:11 AM

http://www.cedarvale.net/essentialoils.htm (\"http://www.cedarvale.net/essentialoils.htm\") has all of

the oils mentioned in either essential oils or fragrance oils.

These are the fragrance oils listed in all of

my recipes....

musk, frangipani, gardenia, carnation, violet, heliotrope, lilac, turbose

Elana

12-09-2003, 05:13 AM

INNOCENT

40 drops of Violet
12 drops of Heliotrope
8 drops of Vetiver
4 drops of Juniper
4 drops of

Lilac

Dilute to fill a 1/4 bottle

Elana

12-09-2003, 05:16 AM

SERENE

40 drops of Rose
30 drops

of Rose Geranium
12 drops of Sandalwood
4 drops of Musk

Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle

Elana

12-09-2003, 05:22 AM

TROPICAL

30 drops of

Cassis
20 drops of Frangipani
14 drops of Patchouli
12 drops of Gardenia
4 drops of Ylang-ylang
4

drops od Cedarwood

Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle

Elana

12-09-2003, 05:37 AM

SPICE

30 drops of Bergamot
18

drops of Carnation
18 drops of Sandalwood
12 drops of Patchouli
6 drops of Cedarwood

Dilute to fill a 1/4

ounce bottle

Elana

12-09-2003, 05:40 AM

ELEGANT

24 drops of Oakmoss
18

drops of Bergamot
12 drops of Amber
12 drops of Vetiver
6 drops of Pine Balsam

Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce

bottle

DrSmellThis

12-10-2003, 04:20 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Where\'s a good source for Oakmoss, btw?

And tuberose, while

we\'re at it?

<hr /></blockquote>
The best for oakmoss is Liberty Natural

Products (search the web!), as their OM batch right now is a very good one, for cheap! Tuberose is obscenely

expensive, so you would have to research it carefully to test the market and crop. I\'d start by contacting

Oshadi, who would have to special order it. Anything you see on the shelves will be fake.

Elana

12-10-2003, 04:36 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Anything you see on the shelves will be fake.

<hr

/></blockquote>

Isn\'t it OK to use synthetics for the really expensive ones, like

tuberose and gardenia?

DrSmellThis

12-10-2003, 04:43 PM

Thanks

Elana. I like the \"fresh\" one.

Wow, those recipes use a lot of super expensive oils (e.g., carnation --

check with Liberty, where I get mine). We\'re talking \'by the drop\' expensive! Does the author recommend

sources, or recommend using just synthetics?

I want to discourage people from using synthetics without

guidance until they get lots of experience, as we need to learn the properties of the oils and how they mix.

Synthetics are a cheap, easy, effortless and \'talentless\' way to get something to smell \'pretty\'. As a

rule, however, synthetics add neither aphrodisiac nor aromatheraputic value to a mix, but only smell pretty (if

that). Synthetics are best used in very small quantities to gently round out a note here and there, IMHO (when

you\'ve a relatively large quantity of natural essential oils). That is what they were originally intended for.

Only economic considerations caused perfumers to start using them as primary ingredients. They tend often to be

toxic. The exceptions for me are the \'perfuming pheromones\', (none of which are sold here) which are, at

least, chemicals identical or very similar to ones produced by the body.

Many other synthetics are chemicals

found \"in nature\", or in essential oils, but then there is debate about what to call them. Within that category,

some are petroleum-based and some are derived from the oils themselves (e.g., vetiver acetate, which is great, but

still can\'t beat Oshadi\'s current crop of vetiver!) Still, you\'d only want very small amounts, in a larger

\'natural context\'. This explains why so many COMPLETELY synthetic products (e.g., SP oils) use the word

\"natural\" in the advertising /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif -- the, ahem, \'characters\'

that do this are counting on the fact that they can say that the chemicals \'can be found in nature!\'

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Fortunately for them, we, the public, are gullible.

If

you\'re going to screw someone over, think the corporate brass, screw over Joe and Jane Public! \"Everyone

else\" can afford large teams of attorneys, and might actually hold you accountable!

I will confess to

using extremely small amounts of both synthetic gardenia (on one occasion) and tuberose (on one occasion),

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif however; again, just to barely round out a note (e.g., tuberose

for a jasmine or vanilla note). Think of it as adding a little salt to a big plate of food. Used in this way they

are not dangerous, and can actually make a creation smell \'more like nature intended\'. I can help people more

with their proper use, if more interest is expresssed.

I personally use just miniscule amounts of synthetic

anything, and only on rare occasion, in a holistic natural context, similar to using a vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

supplement for someone with scurvy. You are restoring a natural note lost in the process of making the essential

oil. I rarely would buy any synthetic anything. Mostly I just use the perfuming pheromones, most of which are

derived from the natural oils themselves. I want to be able to say my perfumes are \'all natural\', and I hate

having to explain even this much to any one.

Elana

12-10-2003, 04:46 PM

Thank you for your timely

answer. I was going to buy a bunch of synthetics from Cedarvale.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

DrSmellThis

12-10-2003, 04:53 PM

Elana, check out my edit,

above (Thanks, Franki).

Elana

12-11-2003, 07:38 AM

I can\'t believe how

expensive Gardenia oil is. It is twice the price of rose oil. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

DrSmellThis

01-10-2004, 09:31 AM

One of my

many \"lotions and potions\":

DST\'s Topical Pain Reliever

2 wintergreen EO
2 lavender EO
1

helichrysum EO
1 camphor EO
1 drop St Johns wort tincture
1 drop arnica tincture
dab aloe
dab KY jelly

Mix above and rub into sore areas. It should work very well; better than commercial formulas, for a fraction of

the price. Good to make bigger batches, of course. Add a little emu oil, from Liberty Natural Products, if you\'d

like. Be careful buying emu, as most places try to rip you off. (like skinbio)

dcrew2000

01-11-2004, 01:44 AM

I know this is a

woman\'s form but I\'m wondering if the good doctor has a man\'s formula to entise the ladies?

Or pehaps

the ladies can tell me of any oils either in combination or alone that does the trick.

dcrew

EXIT63

01-11-2004, 04:49 AM

Yeah Doc...Do tell.

Sexyredhead

01-11-2004, 05:06 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I know this is a woman\'s form but I\'m

wondering if the good doctor has a man\'s formula to entise the ladies?

Or pehaps the ladies can tell me of any

oils either in combination or alone that does the trick.

dcrew

<hr /></blockquote>

Read back through the thread. There\'s more than one listed.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Elana

02-10-2004, 06:09 PM

OMG! Cardamom! LOVE IT!!!
I

had a small bottle of it hidden behind my massive EO collection. It smells amazing on its own. Anyone ever play

around with it?

Sexyredhead

02-10-2004, 06:16 PM

No, not the EO. Does

it smell like the bottled spice?

Elana

02-10-2004, 06:25 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
No, not the EO. Does it smell like the bottled spice?

<hr

/></blockquote>

No, it smells sweet and floral.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
It smells pretty on its own. I am going to go through my books

and look for some recipes.

Elana

02-10-2004, 06:46 PM

Look what I

found........

How to make Jasmine Perfume
by DrSmellThis

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Here\'s how:

You just get the pure essential oil (Oshadi Jasmine

Sambac would be a good choice. Just put \"oshadi\" into a search engine) and dilute in everclear; maybe 8 parts

everclear to 1 part essential oil, then after that matures for a week, you can add half again as much water to that

to extend it.

Add a little musk (some SOE or ambrette seed oil would work in a pinch), Sandalwood, benzoin

and/or patchouli for a fixative (just enough to barely smell whatever fixative); and a little ylang-ylang to bring

out some of the jasmine notes and extend it. Adding a little of the SP jasmine oil love scent sells would bring out

the top end. Adding a touch of clary sage, rose, rose geranium, cardamom (this one especially would work very well),

tobacco oil (no more than 1-2 drops), and/or coriander would be good highlights.

The rule here is to just add

enough of each extra ingredient to be able to barely smell it; and not one drop more. You don\'t want to take away

anything from the pure jasmine smell!!. Adding things, however, helps you get more mileage out of the expensive

jasmine (especially ylang-ylang, which is often used for this purpose in jasmine perfumes by pros!)

Ideally you

want to let the oils mature for a week - 10 days before adding the alcohol, then let that mature another 7-10 before

adding a little water. Then put the whole thing in a nice atomizer or fancy bottle. You can clean an old perfume

bottle with rubbing alcohol, soap and water for this if you want.

Your girlfriend (or you)will go nuts with the

romance of it all!

--------------------
DrSmellThis

\"\"

<hr /></blockquote>

DrSmellThis

02-11-2004, 06:25 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
OMG! Cardamom! LOVE IT!!!
I had a small bottle of it hidden behind my

massive EO collection. It smells amazing on its own. Anyone ever play around with it?

<hr /></blockquote>It\'s one of my favorite spices -- great for a rich bottom end, in very small amounts.

Elana

02-11-2004, 06:31 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
OMG!

Cardamom! LOVE IT!!!
I had a small bottle of it hidden behind my massive EO collection. It smells amazing on its

own. Anyone ever play around with it?

<hr /></blockquote>It\'s one of my favorite

spices -- great for a rich bottom end, in very small amounts.

<hr /></blockquote>

What does it mix well with?

DrSmellThis

02-11-2004, 06:39 AM

JASMINE PERFUME

ADDENDUM:

* Yes, just be sure not to add water before all the oils are mixed -- that post was a bit sloppy on

my part. Also, I would now recommend Liberty Jasmine Sambac for most folks, as it is much cheaper, but still pretty

good. But if you have the money, definitely go with Oshadi, as I originally said. If it was me I\'d mix the

two.

* Other alternatives are cinnamon leaf, vanilla, tuberose, and labdanum. Oak moss is another alternative

for a fixative here. As I said, just pick a few oils you like and go light. But ylang is a must, as is cardamom.

Think of the ylang as an extender -- use as much as you can without losing the jasmine identity, but be careful and

judicious. In this case a smidgen of synthetic tuberose would be fine.

* Dilute cardamom 10:1 before using

it, and even then go a drop at a time. It doesn\'t take much!

* Save some jasmine back, to top it off with

for the very final step!

* Jasmine perfume is one of the most satisfying scents to create! Everyone who wants

to learn perfume must learn to do it! After all, one of the oldest sayings in perfumery is, \"No perfume without

jasmine!\"

DrSmellThis

02-11-2004, 06:44 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr

/>
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
OMG! Cardamom! LOVE IT!!!
I had a small bottle

of it hidden behind my massive EO collection. It smells amazing on its own. Anyone ever play around with it?

<hr /></blockquote>It\'s one of my favorite spices -- great for a rich bottom end, in

very small amounts.

<hr /></blockquote>

What does it mix well with?

<hr

/></blockquote>Other spices, sandalwoods, ambers, florals, oriental perfumes, musks, tobacco,

sweet notes.

bjf

02-11-2004, 06:51 AM

It would be cool if you sold

your stuff on LS.

DrSmellThis

02-11-2004, 07:01 AM

It may well happen

sooner than people think, if Bruce finds a fit for it, and if the timing is right. I will keep all of you posted

when I have something substantive to say. Things in the lab have taken a very promising turn of late, which is one

reason I\'ve been kind of absent from the forum!

bjf

02-11-2004, 07:17 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
It may well happen sooner than people think, if Bruce finds a fit for it, and

if the timing is right. I will keep all of you posted when I have something substantive to say. Things in the lab

have taken a very promising turn of late, which is one reason I\'ve been kind of absent from the forum!

<hr

/></blockquote>

I thought it was because it stopped snowing. Don\'t be a stranger! We

need you.

DrSmellThis

02-11-2004, 07:28 AM

The warm fuzzies are

flowin again!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

bjf

02-11-2004, 07:35 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
The warm fuzzies are flowin again!!!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Well now I know

why you are back! I still miss the old days, when you were the only one to paragraph a monsterous post.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Something abut fibboucini numbers ?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BigBear

02-11-2004, 07:47 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
The warm

fuzzies are flowin again!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Well now I know why you are back! I still miss the old days, when you were the only one to

paragraph a monsterous post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Something abut fibboucini numbers ?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote>

Hmmm is there

love in the air bjf? <gg>

Just teasin, I like Cardamon to.

Drsmell he\'s right, you\'re posts ARE

terrif!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

------BigBadBear

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DrSmellThis

02-11-2004, 01:59 PM

Thanks! I\'m glad you

guys find \'em useful.

DrSmellThis

02-23-2004, 02:08 AM

Time for

another formula for you enterprising souls! Recipes such as this and some of the others here don\'t just smell

nice, but also teach basic skills essential for learning the art of perfuming. Ambergris, which comes from whale

bellies, is one of the most valued and expensive substances in all of perfumery. Real ambergris, a celebrated

aphrodisiac, is too expensive for most pocketbooks, and some of it is collected through \"politically incorrect\"

means. So here is my simple but classic \"fake ambergris\" recipe that uses real EO\'s. There are countless

varieties of amber used in perfumery, but this recipe contains quite a bit of implicit, basic information. This is

an ideal cover scent mix for men or women, and can be worn everywhere, as a sexy (of course) perfume that absolutely

will not offend anyone. It gives the psychological effect of making the user and those surrounding feel safe,

amorous, and comfortable. Try it and see, said the blind man. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I

am providing three versions, which turn on whether one uses the optional ingredients, which are intended to more

closely mimic the fishy, musky aspects of real ambergris. I gahr-on-tee, y\'all will lahk it -- no foolin\':

(translation provided for those who speak \"SRH-bonics\")

Ambergris Alert!

7 benzoin
1

vanilla EO (Oshadi\'s works very well here)
1 labdanum (very cheap at Liberty currently)
1 sandalwood
1

oak moss (Optional)
1 ambrette seed (Optional. Pricey. Best source is Liberty, which ain\'t so bad, but please

avoid the inferior CO2 version)
1 balsam peru
1 cardamom, 20:1 dilute (Happy, Elana?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
40 jojoba

Mix the oils, and let them mature for

three days, away from light, in a sealed glass container. At the end of the three days, add the jojoba oil and mix

thoroughly. Let this mix mature another three days, and enjoy! -- DST