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DrSmellThis
10-10-2003, 05:42 AM
Hi ladies and
germs,
Thought I\'d start a thread here on pretty smelly things, hang out, practice ballet, and allow my
sensitive, feminine side to roam freely. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gifYou can\'t tell, but
right now I\'m wearing groovy, pin striped pants, a navy blue button down shirt, a lavender tie, suede boots, and
have neatly parted my hair. I took a bath earlier with my armada of plastic boats, and am ready to upload good
vibes. I smell like a fresh bottle of Coca-C /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gifla. I am writing with an
audible English accent, and just brushed my teeth last month. See? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
(I hope no one reading this is actually from England!)
My, you are a handsome and bright eyed class!
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Ahem, well
we\'d better get started.
Basic things thing to know about perfuming:
1. They\'re made with
EO\'s, a carrier, and sometimes synthetic or animal products.
2. You mix things and strive for complete
harmony among ingredients.
3. It works well to think of three kinds of \'notes\': Bass, heart (When
I\'m not feeling sensitive and feminine, I call them \"MIDDLE NOTES\", and I make the quote signs with my
fingers, just like Austin Powers), and top notes. These distinctions are based on rates of evaporation. Where an oil
falls depends on context. Some are more versatile than others, especially when they are more complex oils. It\'s
good to let go of rules and make your own minds up here, though studying books on perfuming and aromatherapy is also
good.
4. As my \'text\', I\'m going to recommend \'Essence and Alchemy\', by Mandy Aftel (2001;
North Point Press, New York) due to the pretty naked woman on the cover. Ooops, I forgot my \"Sensitive New
Millenium Guy\" mantra.
5. To get you started, here is a simple but very nice ladies\' perfume recipe,
which I\'ll call, \"Here, Smell Me!\" (quotes provided by Austin Powers). Feel free to vary proportions. You all
are going to smell so nice!
Vetiver: 2 drops
Rose: 2 drops (If rose is too expensive, you can try lavender
or ylang-ylang).
Clary Sage: 1 drop
Lemon or Geranium: 4 drops (If you use Ylang, substitute orange
here)
40 drops jojoba oil, or to taste.
Try to add the oils in the order indicated to a little bottle
(like a flower essence bottle) and let sit for one day, shaking at least three times.
So have at it! Those
who want to learn at this time should try the formula. I\'ll be around, but I never take questions unless I\'m
asked.
Next week, Coca-Cola perfume! I\'m off for a beauty rest. All this sensitivity is a bit
draining.
Sexyredhead
10-10-2003, 05:58 AM
Way cool!
I\'ll give that mix a try. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Any other tips for us?
Elana
10-10-2003, 06:22 AM
Thank you so much!
This will be the first mix I try once my oils arrive. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
What are
some of the synthetic\'s we should have on hand?
Whitehall
10-10-2003, 09:50 AM
OK, Bubba, now whip up
something to cover the aroma of bullsh*t.
DrSmellThis
10-10-2003, 01:35 PM
OK. Per
TAMEPP\'s request, I will change next week\'s perfume to \"Hay.\"
For our purposes here, synthetics can
include the SP oils (jasmine, juniper, musk, and amber) and, of course, pheromones.
PLEEZE, Oh PLEEEZ, DR!
Do you have a nice oriental blend recipe?
Thx!
DrSmellThis
10-11-2003, 04:13 AM
Yes, I do.
DrSmellThis
10-11-2003, 04:16 AM
Just teasing!
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OK, before I go
any further, why doesn\'t everyone tell me what oils you have, or will have shortly. I don\'t want to recommend
too many expensive things no one has.
DrSmellThis
10-11-2003, 04:30 AM
Incidentally, if
you add Everclear instead of jojoba to the above recipe, double or triple the strength, and then put it in a bottle
of edge, you can make your own, woman\'s version of Edge Essentials, with a scent very similar to the guys\'
\"Heat\", but feminized.
Elana
10-11-2003, 04:35 AM
Here is my list.
Everything should be arriving any day...
Anise, Bergamot, Cardamom, Chamomile Roman, Clary sage, Geranium,
Cedarwood Atlas, Ylang Ylang III, Tea Tree, Sandalwood, Rosemary, Fir, Benzoin, Vetiver, Patchouli, Lavender
(Bulgaria), Peppermint, Black pepper, Orange, Lemon, Marjoram, Coriander, Cinnamon, Eucalyptus, Pink Grapefruit
I
am up for anything with the exception of Rose, Jasmine and Neroli. After I have had some practice, I may invest in
the good stuff.
Sexyredhead
10-11-2003, 05:08 AM
I
have:
lavender, orange, lemon, lime, grapefruit, bergamot, geranium, vetiver, clary sage, frankincense, myrrh,
pine, fir, cajeput, black pepper, lemongrass, ylang ylang, sandalwood, rosewood, birch, cedarwood, patchouli, and
peppermint
I will be getting some more in the next couple weeks. I\'m just not sure what all I\'m
going to get yet. Any suggestions?
Elana
10-11-2003, 05:28 AM
I was looking through
a list of synthetic Musks, and I couldn\'t believe how many types are available.
Any ideas which one(s) to
get?
MUSK AFRICAN CLEAR
MUSK AFRICAN GREEN
MUSK AFRICAN NORTH
MUSK ALMADINA
MUSK AMBER
MUSK ANIMAL
MUSK
ARABIAN
MUSK ATLANTIC
MUSK BABY OIL
MUSK BANGLEDESH
MUSK BLACK
MUSK BLACK MARKET(BLK IMPORTED)
MUSK
BLISK
MUSK CALI
MUSK CHINA
MUSK CIARO
MUSK CIERRA
MUSK COTY
MUSK COTY WILD
MUSK DARK
MUSK DE CARTIER
MUSK
DUCK
MUSK EGYPTION
MUSK EGYPTIAN BABY
MUSK EGYPTIAN BLACK
MUSK EGYPTIAN MAISHA\'S SUPERIOR
MUSK EGYPTIAN
RED
MUSK EQYPTIAN BABY
MUSK ETHIOPIAN BLACKv MUSK EVENING
MUSK FRENCH
MUSK GREEN
MUSK GREEN AFRICAN
MUSK
HARLEM
MUSK HONEY
MUSK IMMORTAL
MUSK IMPERIAL
MUSK INDIAN
MUSK JAMAICAN
MUSK JAPANESE
MUSK JASMIN
MUSK
JOVAN
MUSK JOVAN CLEAR
MUSK JOVAN MEN
MUSK JOVAN RED
MUSK KRISHNA
MUSK MADINA
MUSK MOOR
MUSK MOROCCAN
MUSK
NIGERIAN
MUSK NIGHT
MUSK NUBIAN
MUSK ORIENTAL
MUSK RAIN
MUSK RED
MUSK ROSE
MUSK ROYAL
MUSK SEPAH
MUSK
SPANISH
MUSK SPRING
MUSK STRAWBERRY
MUSK SUDAN
MUSK SUPER
MUSK SWEET
MUSK TROPICAL
MUSK VANILLA
MUSK
WHITE
MUSK WILD
Whitehall
10-11-2003, 11:18 AM
Elana,
Your list
of musks reads like the contents of a big, big, box of Crayolas.
DZorro
10-11-2003, 12:20 PM
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I was looking through a list of synthetic Musks,
and I couldn\'t believe how many types are available.
Any ideas which one(s) to get?
MUSK AFRICAN CLEAR
MUSK
AFRICAN GREEN
MUSK AFRICAN NORTH
MUSK ALMADINA
MUSK AMBER
MUSK ANIMAL
MUSK ARABIAN
MUSK ATLANTIC
MUSK BABY
OIL
MUSK BANGLEDESH
MUSK BLACK
MUSK BLACK MARKET(BLK IMPORTED)
MUSK BLISK
MUSK CALI
MUSK CHINA
MUSK
CIARO
MUSK CIERRA
MUSK COTY
MUSK COTY WILD
MUSK DARK
MUSK DE CARTIER
MUSK DUCK
MUSK EGYPTION
MUSK EGYPTIAN
BABY
MUSK EGYPTIAN BLACK
MUSK EGYPTIAN MAISHA\'S SUPERIOR
MUSK EGYPTIAN RED
MUSK EQYPTIAN BABY
MUSK ETHIOPIAN
BLACKv MUSK EVENING
MUSK FRENCH
MUSK GREEN
MUSK GREEN AFRICAN
MUSK HARLEM
MUSK HONEY
MUSK IMMORTAL
MUSK
IMPERIAL
MUSK INDIAN
MUSK JAMAICAN
MUSK JAPANESE
MUSK JASMIN
MUSK JOVAN
MUSK JOVAN CLEAR
MUSK JOVAN MEN
MUSK
JOVAN RED
MUSK KRISHNA
MUSK MADINA
MUSK MOOR
MUSK MOROCCAN
MUSK NIGERIAN
MUSK NIGHT
MUSK NUBIAN
MUSK
ORIENTAL
MUSK RAIN
MUSK RED
MUSK ROSE
MUSK ROYAL
MUSK SEPAH
MUSK SPANISH
MUSK SPRING
MUSK STRAWBERRY
MUSK
SUDAN
MUSK SUPER
MUSK SWEET
MUSK TROPICAL
MUSK VANILLA
MUSK WHITE
MUSK WILD
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Elana, i have musk, Amber, citrus oil, jasmine, Lavender, Rose, Vannille oil and juniper berry
but i like Amber and jasmine the most.
DZorro,
DrSmellThis
10-11-2003, 01:03 PM
These mostly aren\'t raw sythetic musks, but are musky synthetic perfumes. I do like straight Almadina musk (if
it\'s the same stuff, rather than a perfume containing it) as a perfume additive.
Rather than getting too
many synthetic musks, I\'m going to recommend that all the ladies get some valerian root EO to use for our musk
substitute, as it is reasonably cheap.
Examples of good raw synthetic musk ingredients include muscone,
galaxolyde, indole, skatole and ambrettolyde. (1, 2 and 4 smell good, but, as a rule, whatever stinks and smells
\'nasty and gross\' in its raw form is what you want (e.g., valerian). When you add that kind of scent in in
very small quantities, you get something that makes everything else delightful! Experiencing the truth of this fact,
that \'disgusting\' is in the end best, is good for our humility, and open-mindedness. (Yes, I\'m always going
to wax philosophical to captive audiences /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
Perfuming is a
mysterious world of its own, that regularly yields mystical knowledge to those open to it. This is why there are
traditions lasting thousands of years. So if you are walking through a field and smell a native plant that is really
stinky, you might collect a bunch of only the smelliest part, grind it up, and dissolve it in everclear to maximum
concentration (later letting it sit out to partially evaporate), or even boil it. Master perfumers try these sorts
of things all the time, to get an edge. Also, there is something magical about using things that come from your
geographic area.
DrSmellThis
10-11-2003, 02:00 PM
OK. Here is the
requested formula, using only oils we have mentioned. I hope it\'s not too complex. As it is above, the order
presented is the order you want to use in creating your perfume. Try to mix after each new oil is added. Numbers
will always represent drops.
Turning Oriental
Base Note:
2 Patchouli
3 sandalwood
1
myrrh
1 cinnamon leaf (not bark, which requires experience)
4 benzoin
Heart note:
4 ylang
ylang
2 lavender
1 anise
Top note:
8 orange
Fixative:
1-2 valerian
Carrier:
100 jojoba
Notice I introduced a new term. A \'fixative\' is something added to
make the scent last longer on your skin, and to enhance the other smells.
OmnipotentOne
10-11-2003, 02:46 PM
Oh yes!
\"Egyptian baby musk\", one of my favorites! If only the extraction process didn\'t produce so much crying.
CptKipling
10-11-2003, 03:42 PM
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I am writing with an audible English accent, and
just brushed my teeth last month. See? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (I hope no one reading this
is actually from England!)
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Wasn\'t even a good accent...
DrSmellThis
10-11-2003, 05:22 PM
Oops! I tried to
make it up to you in your essay thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Whitehall
10-12-2003, 07:57 AM
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Examples of good raw synthetic musk ingredients
include muscone, galaxolyde, indole, skatole and ambrettolyde. (1, 2 and 4 smell good.....)
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I read that indole and skatole (#4) smell terrible. I think you meant #5
smells good, not #4. I would love to get small bottles of pure synthetic musks analogous to our chem set packaging.
I wonder if IFF would offer them that way? I\'m guessing that the macrocyclics are the best smelling.
DrSmellThis
10-12-2003, 02:54 PM
Thanks for
pointing out the error. OK. You can get two of those products, muscone and ambrettolyde; interesting high quality
perfumes, and select perfumery supplies; from a place called the Crimson Phoenix. They don\'t sell anything that
Bruce sells, or has even talked about selling, since they take a perfumery angle, so I don\'t feel bad about
recommending them. I\'m quite sure you will find it easily. It\'s owned by a very close friend of mine, a great
guy, who I\'ve been buying from for 9 years. So be sure to say DrSmellThis sent you!
Sexyredhead
10-12-2003, 05:33 PM
I used to go to
the Crimson Pheonix all the time!!! It\'s right down a couple blocks from Portland State, right? I loved
that place. Really cool guy runs it too.
Wow, good memories. Thanks.
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DrSmellThis
10-13-2003, 01:05 AM
So you\'ve a history
in P-Land? Small world. Did you go to PSU? PM me, if you please. Yes, Gary is indeed a cool guy. He moved his
operation, and does mostly just personal consults and perfumes on the internet now. Just talked to him tonight.
DrSmellThis
10-14-2003, 02:33 PM
...is a very important
quality for a perfumer. They say it takes 7 years to become a perfumer, and then you go on to either become a good
one or a bad one. Perfumers throw away 99% of what they create. That is not an exaggeration.
On the other hand,
that means you should never get discouraged. And on the third hand, for those of you born in Kentucky or near a
nuclear plant, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif you should always strive to be as careful as
possible with a blend, as you are never more than one step away from flushing it down the toilet.
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Whitehall
10-14-2003, 03:16 PM
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for those of you born ... near a nuclear
plant
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Has that an attempt at humor by a liberal?
Elana
10-14-2003, 03:16 PM
I just got all of my oils
today. It only took me 4 1/2 minutes to be a great perfumer. My first creation is lovely.
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Tonight I am going to make your perfume. I will have to omit a
few oils, but I am still going to try it.
Sagacious1420
10-14-2003, 04:19 PM
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I just got all of my oils today. It only took me 4
1/2 minutes to be a great perfumer. My first creation is lovely. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Yea, right...humility...bragger!
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Sagacious1420
10-14-2003, 04:24 PM
DST-
So you\'re
saying the fixative is the last addition (except for the carrier)?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Doh! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Once
again, I\'m backassards. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Elana
10-15-2003, 06:49 AM
I
made the first Drsmellthis blend last night. It is Vetiver, ylang-ylang, Clary Sage, and Geranium. I am letting it
sit overnight. I didn\'t add a carrier to it. I want to use it in my nebulizer.
I also made a mix of
Patchouli, geranium, ylang-ylang and cinnamin. I put a drop in with my hair gel and it smells so sexy. It\'s not a
blend for a \"My little Pony\" loving girlie girl. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
DrSmellThis
10-15-2003, 07:05 AM
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DST-
So you\'re saying the fixative is the last addition (except for the
carrier)? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Doh!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Once again, I\'m backassards.
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Correct.
Actually you have fixative at both ends (patchouli, benzoin, etc)
Sexyredhead
10-15-2003, 07:14 AM
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I made the first Drsmellthis blend last
night. It is Vetiver, ylang-ylang, Clary Sage, and Geranium. I am letting it sit overnight. I didn\'t add a
carrier to it. I want to use it in my nebulizer.
I also made a mix of Patchouli, geranium, ylang-ylang and
cinnamin. I put a drop in with my hair gel and it smells so sexy. It\'s not a blend for a \"My little Pony\"
loving girlie girl. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Yeah, that sounds more like something for a psychotic eye-gouger with a penchant for pouring
cheese down decapitated doll heads! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
OTOH, that blend does
sound really good. Need to go get some cinnamon this weekend. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I also made DST\'s mix. Two, in fact. To the first I also added a couple drops of citrus -nol and a drop of
rosewood to the vetiver, ylang ylang, clary sage, and orange. The second was just the vetiver, ylang ylang, clary
sage, and orange. I like. Good mix. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I\'m wearing the second
mix for the first time today, so we\'ll so how it \"wears\" on me. I wore the first mix Sunday and found the
rosewood to have a lot of staying power. But I liked the first mix.
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DrSmellThis
10-15-2003, 07:18 AM
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for those of you born ... near a nuclear plant
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Has that an attempt at humor by a liberal?
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My new sensitive side sure is bowling them over, and winning lots of friends! Gee, I guess I
should have said solar-challenged plant! That would have been PC. As long, as I\'m in this thread, I\'m a
smelly, wacky-tobaccy-smokin\', commie/hippie, tree huggin\' liberal boy. Right before I read your post, I was
listening to that Mick Jagger music (or is it Elton Tom?), doing aerobics with Jane Fonda, and baaaaad-mouthin my
country. I think I\'ll drop and give myself 50.
DrSmellThis
10-15-2003, 07:26 AM
I like your blend, Elaine. It has all the notes and cinnamon for sweetness/heat. That was a nice touch.
I hope
your variation on my first blend turns out. Making do with what you have is the mother of invention.
DrSmellThis
10-15-2003, 08:24 AM
The rosewood was a
nice touch, SRH, as it goes well with florals, and complimented the vetiver, which is also considered a woody smell.
Notice how well the ylang and orange go together. That\'s a basic combo. It\'s understandable that no one had
rose. But rose geranium is often used as a cheaper substitute, with just a touch of things like clary sage, vanilla,
lemon, lavender, coriander, clove, cinnamon, synthetic rose, and/or vetiver. Ylang, on the other hand, is commonly
substituted for jasmine. Both are considered \'narcotics\'. A touch of civet, vanilla, tobacco, EW, orange
and/or indole can make it even closer to jasmine, as can any synthetic jasmine oil.
So those interested can
try to make fake rose or jasmine, please, as a basic skill-building and money saving exercise. These are a couple of
the most basic smells in perfumery, after all. It\'s best to get hold of the real stuff to smell for inspiration,
like in a store.
As a bonus, you will end up with a nice perfume or two!
Sagacious1420
10-15-2003, 09:09 AM
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DST-
So you\'re saying the fixative is the last addition (except for the
carrier)? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Doh!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Once again, I\'m backassards.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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Correct.
Actually you have fixative at both ends (patchouli, benzoin, etc)
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So this is not necessarily a problem, then? Thanks for the suggestion of using the benz as a
fixative. It seems to help make the top notes more persistent (which was a problem for me) and adds more depth and
richness to the bottom. I have found that it\'s when the bottom notes kick in that I really get the yummy
comments. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
DrSmellThis
10-15-2003, 03:09 PM
Perfumers often use
fixatives at every stage. They often have special fixatives for each note, as well as the overall blend.
Elana
10-15-2003, 03:10 PM
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Yeah, that sounds more like something for a
psychotic eye-gouger with a penchant for pouring cheese down decapitated doll heads!
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What kind of a monster would do something so horrific?
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I just put a mix of Bergamot and Coriander oil in my
nebulizer. It smells fantastic. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Sagacious1420
10-15-2003, 03:17 PM
Thanks DrSmellThis. Good to know.
DrSmellThis
10-16-2003, 05:56 AM
Bergamot, while we\'re on the topic, is a good fixative for citrus notes.
Sexyredhead
10-16-2003, 06:35 AM
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Bergamot, while we\'re on the topic,
is a good fixative for citrus notes.
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Well, it\'s good to know
I\'ve been doing something right. I almost always add bergamot to my citrus mixes, just because I love the way it
smells. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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OK. Here is the requested formula, using only oils
we have mentioned. I hope it\'s not too complex. As it is above, the order presented is the order you want to use
in creating your perfume. Try to mix after each new oil is added. Numbers will always represent drops.
Turning
Oriental
Base Note:
2 Patchouli
3 sandalwood
1 myrrh
1 cinnamon leaf (not bark, which requires
experience)
4 benzoin
Heart note:
4 ylang ylang
2 lavender
1 anise
Top note:
8
orange
Fixative:
1-2 valerian
Carrier:
100 jojoba
Notice I introduced a new term. A
\'fixative\' is something added to make the scent last longer on your skin, and to enhance the other smells.
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WOW! Thanks, doc!
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Examples
of good raw synthetic musk ingredients include muscone, galaxolyde, indole, skatole and ambrettolyde. (1, 2 and 4
smell good.....)
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I read that indole and skatole (#4) smell
terrible. I think you meant #5 smells good, not #4. I would love to get small bottles of pure synthetic musks
analogous to our chem set packaging. I wonder if IFF would offer them that way? I\'m guessing that the
macrocyclics are the best smelling.
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Skatole smells like..
excrement. Valerian, on the other hand... smells like dirty socks.
Sagacious1420
10-16-2003, 11:36 AM
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Bergamot, while we\'re on the topic,
is a good fixative for citrus notes.
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I\'ve been using Bergamot
(bergaptene-free) for citrus notes, in lieu of citrus EOs. From what I\'ve read, citrus oils are phototoxic (I
think that\'s the term), that is they produce a photosensitivity problem when applied to the skin. Am I mistaken?
Actually, I hope so because I would love to add some citrus notes to my mixes. I\'ve also avoided cinnamon
because of skin sensitivilty concerns, but I\'d love to use it. Could I use cinnamon leaf, as opposed to cinnamon
bark w/out such concerns?
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Sexyredhead
10-16-2003, 01:13 PM
I apply citrus EO\'s directly to my pasty-white skin and notice no difference,even when I\'m
outside all day. I do not, however, strip naked, oil myself down, and lay in the sun. (I do that at night.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )There are literally tons of things that can make you more
sensitive to the sun, including ibuprofen, birth control pills, and a bunch of other commonly used products.
Elana
10-16-2003, 01:18 PM
DST- Can you give us a rule of thumb by percentages or parts how we should go about experimenting with the
different oils?
Top Notes: Bergamot, Cardamom, Tea tree, Peppermint, Coriander, Eucalyptus, Pink Grapefruit,
Lemongrass, Lemon, Orange, Lime, Cajaput, Ginger
Top/Middle: Clary Sage, Lavender, Rosewood, Geranium
Middle:
Anise, Chamomile, Fir, Rosemary, Black Pepper, Marjoram, Cinnamin, Rose, Juniper, Neroli,
Middle/Base: Ylang
Ylang,
Base: Cederwood, Sandalwood, Patchouli, Benzoin, Vetivert, Myrrh, Frankincense, Jasmine
Sagacious1420
10-16-2003, 05:14 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I apply citrus EO\'s directly to my
pasty-white skin
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Thanks SRH.
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</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I do not, however, strip naked, oil myself down, and lay in the sun. (I do
that at night. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
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class=\"post\">
What flavor oil? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Sagacious1420
10-16-2003, 05:20 PM
Elana-
This web page (\"http://www.aromaweb.com/articles/aromaticblending.asp\") may
help. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Holmes
10-16-2003, 05:26 PM
Great site, Sag!
Holmes
Elana
10-16-2003, 05:32 PM
OMG! This is wonderful! Thanks so much Sag! I am printing it out now.
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Sagacious1420
10-16-2003, 05:41 PM
No sweat. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Have fun!
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DrSmellThis
10-16-2003, 05:41 PM
Some propose a 3:2:1 rule of thumb, from top to mid to base. I just go by my nose
Do not use vodka, as that web
page suggests. Otherwise it looks fine.
Sagacious1420
10-16-2003, 06:33 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Some propose a 3:2:1 rule of thumb,
from top to mid to base. I just go by my nose
Do not use vodka, as that web page suggests. Otherwise it looks
fine.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Thanks Doc!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I can vouch for the vodka advice.
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DrSmellThis
10-17-2003, 06:48 AM
A mind is a terrible thing -- Dan Quayle.
Elana
10-17-2003, 08:57 AM
Benzoin resin smells
amazing. It reminds me of Dr. Pepper soda, but what the hell am I supposed to do with the stuff? I tried to add some
to an air freshener I was making and it was a nightmare. It stuck to my fingers and clogged up my dropper.
I still
have some stuck to my fingers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
nonscents
10-17-2003, 09:48 AM
This is a
quote from the website posted above:
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
To learn
more about the strength of oils, it is useful to try experiments where you add one drop of a selected essential oil
to 5 drops carrier oil to get a 20% dilution, smell it, study the aroma, then add another 5 drops of carrier oil to
get a 10% dilution, smell it and study the aroma again, then repeat as desired. This can help educate you on the
characteristics and strengths of each essential oil at various dilution ratios.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I am pretty clueless when it comes to perfumery. But do they really base their calculations in
this way? According to my benighted calculations, if I have one drop of EO and five drops of carrier, I have 6 drops
in total, one of which is EO. So 16.7% is EO. So is not this a 16.7% dilution, and not, as stated, a 20%
dilution?
(Isn\'t Oscar real good at this stuff?)
(Oh, yeah, one other thing. If you need any help,
I\'ll be glad to anoint you, SRH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.)
Sexyredhead
10-17-2003, 10:17 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
(Oh, yeah, one other thing. If you need any help,
I\'ll be glad to anoint you, SRH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.)
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Sagacious1420
10-17-2003, 12:50 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Benzoin resin smells amazing. It reminds me of Dr.
Pepper soda, but what the hell am I supposed to do with the stuff? I tried to add some to an air freshener I was
making and it was a nightmare. It stuck to my fingers and clogged up my dropper.
I still have some stuck to my
fingers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Elana-
Benz is some great stuff, probably one of the best things
DST has turned me on to. I\'m sure that\'s a big part of why I get the yummy comments about my current cologne
mix.
I\'ve tried to work w/ resins, too. Don\'t any more. It\'s a real pain. IIRC, you have to heat some
resins to get them to dissolve in the carrier. I\'m sure the good Doc can address this much better than me. The
benz I\'m using now is much easier to use, still pretty thick, but not as much as the resin. Maybe it\'s a
16.7% dilution. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
When I\'m mixing, I put some alcohol (vodka is OK for this
purpose) in a shot glass. (Don\'t use water!) I rinse out the dropper this way. Seems to work well for those
thick EOs. Just draw some alcohol up into the dropper and squeeze it back into the shot glass. If you\'re really
concerned about \"cross contamination\" you could use 2 shot glasses so that you can clean it out twice. I,
personally, don\'t worry about it.
HTH
DrSmellThis
10-18-2003, 02:31 AM
Benzoin\'s good for your skin, by the way. What do you, WANT, to do with it???
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
A really good thing is to make up the Oriental base note I
suggested with it, and experiment with slight variations! (hint, hint
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)That\'s enough ideas for now, until someone reports
back.
Benzoin is an absolute necessity for perfuming. I get it in large quantities.
I don\'t ever
dilute it until mixing or prefixing (defeats the purpose), but keep it in a dropper bottle. It just has to be in
liquid form. Thick is great.
DrSmellThis
10-18-2003, 02:50 AM
To dissolve
resins, there are three techniques pros use:
1 Use a double boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of
Everclear grain alcohol and time, especially for \'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it
on hand! No vodka, except for drinking. Send your vodka to me!)
Elana
10-18-2003, 05:38 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
To dissolve resins, there are three techniques pros
use:
1 Use a double boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of Everclear grain alcohol and time,
especially for \'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it on hand! No vodka, except for
drinking. Send your vodka to me!)
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
This stuff is thicker than
molasses. If I successfully thin it out and use it in a mix, won\'t it just harden up again as soon as it
completely cools? The smell is incredible.
EXIT63
10-18-2003, 06:43 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
won\'t it just harden up again as soon as it
completely cools? The smell is incredible.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
It will if
YOU\'RE in the same room with it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Elana
10-18-2003, 06:49 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
won\'t it just harden up again as soon as it completely cools? The smell is
incredible.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
It will if YOU\'RE in the same room with it!
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Sagacious1420
10-18-2003, 02:05 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
To dissolve resins, there are three techniques pros
use:
1 Use a double boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of Everclear grain alcohol and time,
especially for \'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it on hand! No vodka, except for
drinking. Send your vodka to me!)
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
OK, I agree w/ the grain
alcohol...but they don\'t sell that where I live, so 100 proof vodka is the alternative I have available and I
only use it to clean my \"tools\". Since I use very little of it, there\'s always plenty around for drinking.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
You could get some perfumers alcohol, I suppose.
Btw Doc, I
really like that diluent we discussed a while back...very pleased w/ that purchase. Since I haven\'t used any
resins lately, I can\'t say if it would work any better at dissolving the stuff. Any speculations?
Holmes
10-18-2003, 02:09 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Any speculations?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I haven\'t been to the eye doctor in a while.
Holmes
Sagacious1420
10-18-2003, 02:14 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
To dissolve resins, there are three techniques pros use:
1 Use a double
boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of Everclear grain alcohol and time, especially for
\'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it on hand! No vodka, except for drinking. Send your
vodka to me!)
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
This stuff is thicker than molasses. If I
successfully thin it out and use it in a mix, won\'t it just harden up again as soon as it completely cools? The
smell is incredible.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Once you have the resin dissolved, you
shouldn\'t need to worry about it. That\'s basically what I\'ve been using...benzoin that\'s already been
dissolved.
DST-
How long in the microwave and at what power level? You\'re talking about heating just the
resin or is a carrier involved, as well?
Sagacious1420
10-18-2003, 02:17 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Any speculations?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I
haven\'t been to the eye doctor in a while.
Holmes
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
And I
thought my jokes were painful. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Elana
10-18-2003, 02:23 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
To dissolve
resins, there are three techniques pros use:
1 Use a double boiler
2 microwave and pyrex glass,
3 a bit of
Everclear grain alcohol and time, especially for \'absolutes\' and \'concretes.\'(No excuse not to have it
on hand! No vodka, except for drinking. Send your vodka to me!)
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
This stuff is thicker than molasses. If I successfully thin it out and use it in a mix, won\'t it just harden
up again as soon as it completely cools? The smell is incredible.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Once you have the resin dissolved, you shouldn\'t need to worry about it. That\'s
basically what I\'ve been using...benzoin that\'s already been dissolved.
DST-
How long in the microwave
and at what power level? You\'re talking about heating just the resin or is a carrier involved, as well?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
That\'s what I want to know too. It seems that if you just nuked
it straight, it would harden right back up as soon as it cooled...........Behave Exit63
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DrSmellThis
10-18-2003, 03:24 PM
If you
don\'t have everclear, use 151 Rum.
Perfuming alcohol is OK, too.
It doesn/t need to stay liquid for long,
just long enough to add to mix. The mix won\'t turn solid unless its all benzoin. If so use Etoh.
For permanent
liquidity, use Etoh. But thickening a mix ever so slightly is a good thing benzoin does, and is one reason why its a
fixative.
Microwave on lowest setting, briefly. Repeat if necessary.
If it\'s always solid, you can
improvise a scooper from something.
Sagacious1420
10-18-2003, 03:56 PM
Thanks
for the tips, Doc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I tried 151 and it made my stuff smell like
rum and it was pretty persistent. But I don\'t have to be concerned about that, since I found this new stuff.
SweetSeduceGurl
10-19-2003, 08:08 AM
I\'ve been making my own perfumes for some times, I am surprised that there is so much great information in this
thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Elana
10-19-2003, 08:24 AM
SSW- Have you
tried mixing any mones in your creations?
Elana
10-19-2003, 08:31 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
If you don\'t have everclear, use 151
Rum.
Perfuming alcohol is OK, too.
It doesn/t need to stay liquid for long, just long enough to add to mix.
The mix won\'t turn solid unless its all benzoin. If so use Etoh.
For permanent liquidity, use Etoh. But
thickening a mix ever so slightly is a good thing benzoin does, and is one reason why its a fixative.
Microwave
on lowest setting, briefly. Repeat if necessary.
If it\'s always solid, you can improvise a scooper from
something.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Thanks DST
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SweetSeduceGurl
10-19-2003, 08:45 AM
No
honey, not as of yet. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Come to think of it that sounds
marvelous! Well, I\'m not too sure but weren\'t some of the high level perfume makers involved with the use of
pheromones? I say forget the big guys, we could start our own mail order business, that would be divine.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif My grandmother had taught me much, many of my techniques include
indigenious asian ingredients such as wild tropical flowers like Luoyang.
Thanks again, ciao!
DrSmellThis
10-19-2003, 02:07 PM
Students, I
had to rid of that NASTY \"H\" word in the subject heading. This is a nice, sensitive thread for nice, sensitive
peopleses. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Welcome, SSG. You no doubt know many things we don\'t, so
puh-lease continue to speak up, as you have!
Elana
10-19-2003, 02:10 PM
The
nasty H word was still there. I fixed it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
franki
10-19-2003, 02:25 PM
I am really overwhelmed by all the sensitivity in this thread.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Elana
10-19-2003, 02:29 PM
Come over here Franki. I wove you a head band made of ivy and roses. Let\'s hold hands and skip through the
forest.
DrSmellThis
10-19-2003, 02:33 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Benzoin resin smells amazing. It reminds me of Dr.
Pepper soda, but what the hell am I supposed to do with the stuff? I tried to add some to an air freshener I was
making and it was a nightmare. It stuck to my fingers and clogged up my dropper.
I still have some stuck to my
fingers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'m a bit suprised no one has punned flirtatiously about this
one, but maybe I\'ve been \'round the block one too many times!
OK, in honor of Elana, ...ready? Dr
Pepper perfume!! Oh Oh Ooooooh! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif (my best Sam Kineson
imitation)
2 patchouli
3 benzoin
1 labdanum
1 vanilla
1 black pepper EO
1 cinnamon
1
neroli
3 lime
2 orange
If you used all organic ingredients, reduced the patchouli and benzoin, and
increased proportions, you could add it to soda water and honey and drink it, for a much healthier version of DP!
You are making my censorship duties harder! (grit your teeth and prepare for the puns) Stop it! Its all
fixed now.
Elana
10-19-2003, 02:37 PM
Wow! I can\'t believe Exit63 missed that one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
What\'s
labdanum? Off to look it up....
DrSmellThis
10-19-2003, 02:45 PM
Something very yummy, as all of you will find out WHEN you make the above, yummy unisex DP perfume. Men
add a drop of sandalwood to yours if you wish to tilt it. This one makes a very good cover scent for those nasty
pheromones!
DrSmellThis
10-19-2003, 03:04 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Bergamot, while we\'re on the topic, is a good fixative for citrus notes.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'ve been using Bergamot (bergaptene-free) for citrus notes, in
lieu of citrus EOs. From what I\'ve read, citrus oils are phototoxic (I think that\'s the term), that is they
produce a photosensitivity problem when applied to the skin. Am I mistaken? Actually, I hope so because I would
love to add some citrus notes to my mixes. I\'ve also avoided cinnamon because of skin sensitivilty concerns, but
I\'d love to use it. Could I use cinnamon leaf, as opposed to cinnamon bark w/out such concerns?
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<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
When you make
perfume blends correctly and use them correctly, there is little cause for concern with phototoxicity and citrus.
Yes, you can substitute the somewhat gentler leaf for the bark.
franki
10-19-2003, 05:04 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Come over here Franki. I wove you a head band made
of ivy and roses. Let\'s hold hands and skip through the forest.
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class=\"post\">
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Sagacious1420
10-19-2003, 09:17 PM
Thanks Doc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Elana
10-20-2003, 06:50 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Oh yes! \"Egyptian baby musk\", one of my
favorites! If only the extraction process didn\'t produce so much crying.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
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DrSmellThis
10-20-2003, 01:55 PM
Damn, I mean
darn, can\'t believe I missed that.
Elana
10-21-2003, 12:42 PM
I put some anise on a
cotton pad and put it one of mt lingerie drawers. My panties have smelled like licorice all day. I love the scent.
DST...any recipes with anise in your creative mind? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
DrSmellThis
10-21-2003, 04:47 PM
Anise is
useful in many perfumes. Think of it as candy, and put it with other candy-like scents. You can add a drop to the
above DP perfume with good results. I forget -didn\'t Turning Oriental have anise? I want to minimize new formulae
until people try the ones posted, and tell me other oils they would like to use, or have bought.
Oshadi has a
very good anise for reasonable price (for them, anyway).
Sagacious1420
10-21-2003, 05:32 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
My panties have smelled like licorice all
day
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Sounds yummy!
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DrSmellThis
10-24-2003, 04:43 AM
How
\'bout a change of pace! Remember when I said perfuming yields mystical knowledge?
A good way to learn
about anything is to study its history. Every master learned treasured wisdom from those who preceeded him or her.
The history of a magical art like perfuming contains esoteric knowledge of the ages.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Here is an interesting link along these lines, which leads to a web
page chock full of such information, and much more. So take a hot scented bath, put some milk and honey on the
stove, don an exotic silk robe, and join our caravan of the mind. Come with me, through a friendly worm hole, to the
land of Ancient Egypt. Come on ladies! You don\'t want the worm hole to close on you! Don\'t be afraid! It
won\'t hurt a bit, it\'s just a little dark! So hold hands tight, and watch your step. Don\'t forget your tea
... just ... follow ...meeeeeee! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
http://www.beautyworlds.com/egyptcosmeticsperfume2.htm (\"http://www.beautyworlds.com/egyptcosmeticsperfume
2.htm\")
DrSmellThis
10-24-2003, 05:02 AM
OK,
speaking of magic, how many of you noticed that the warm milk and honey changed into tea? Be honest, now! After all,
lots of folks have been fooled by my nimble typing fingers!<FORM METHOD=POST
ACTION=\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/dopoll.php\"><INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=\"pollname\"
VALUE=\"1066996970DrSmellThis\">
<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"1\" />What
milk? What tea?
<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"2\" />Of course I saw it!
<input
type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"3\" />Though I\'m normally quite clever, you foooed me this
time!
<INPUT TYPE=Submit NAME=Submit VALUE=\"Submit vote\" class=\"buttons\"></form>
Elana
10-25-2003, 07:16 AM
I was missing a few
things, so I did a version as close to the original as possible. I was so excited when I was able to get my benzoin
to a perfect consistency in the microwave. I haven\'t added a carrier oil yet, and as you can see I multiplied the
recipe x 8. I want to be able to use it for my light bulb ring. I won\'t put it in the nebulizer because the
benzoin will probably be too thick and could cause it to clog. I also like to add a few drops to my unscented body
lotion. I am going to let it sit over night before I start playing with it, but DAMN does it smell good. That
sandalwood is just so sexy. This has everything in it that I love...food and musky sex scent. I know that this one
will be a winner. If any of you have the ingredients for the original recipe, you really should make it. I am going
to make the exact one when I fill in my supplies.
16 Patchouli
24 sandalwood
8 cinnamon leaf
32
benzoin
32 ylang ylang
16 lavender
8 anise
64 grapefruit
OK...I lied. I didn\'t let it sit
over night. I used it in my light bulb ring and in my body lotion. Make it! Just make it.
Elana
10-25-2003, 07:17 AM
and now I know why
they say that Good n Plenty get\'s men/women horny. Anise (and Sandalwood) have become my favorite oils.
Sagacious1420
10-25-2003, 01:15 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
and now I know why they say that Good n Plenty
get\'s men/women horny. Anise (and Sandalwood) have become my favorite oils.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Been considering some new additions to my arsenal, I think I may be leaning toward anise and
cinammon. Should work well w/ my current fav mixes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Elana
10-25-2003, 01:17 PM
Yes, get them. Anise
smells so nice on it\'s own. When I make my next order, I am going to get it in the 4 ounce bottle. I love it that
much.
Sagacious1420
10-25-2003, 01:24 PM
Quite a
convincing endorsement, Elana. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Guess I need to run some errands
today. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Got question for you. I had an \"overnight guest\"
recently who said she thought Patchouli smells like sex to her. Would you or any of the other ladies agree?
Needless to say, I put a few drops of Patchouli in my bedroom that night.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Elana
10-25-2003, 01:32 PM
Sandalwood smells like
sex to me.
Sexyredhead
10-25-2003, 01:54 PM
I agree--the
sandalwood smells like sex to me too. Patchouli smells kinda like forest floor--along with vetiver.
Maybe she
likes to have sex outside. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Elana
10-25-2003, 02:07 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Patchouli smells kinda like forest floor--along
with vetiver.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Same here...foresty
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Sagacious1420
10-25-2003, 02:15 PM
Thanks ladies,
I appreciate your input. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Her comment about Patchouli had me
thinking. I have a buddy who always wreaks of Nag Champa whenever we go out and he seems to get quite a bit of
attention from women. Not certain that this is any explanation at all. I suspect that he\'s been experimenting w/
pheros (he doesn\'t know that I use them, btw, no one does) because for a while he kept making vague comments
about how he must be putting out \"some kind of scent that attracts women\". I never really noticed him getting
anything that I would call a phero hit, but he\'s definitely seen the effects of my phero use. I doubt that he
would ever come right out and say so...he\'s more of the \"hint dropper\" type.
Sagacious1420
10-25-2003, 02:18 PM
Hey, that was
#700! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Man, do I need to get a life or what!?!?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sagacious1420
10-25-2003, 02:20 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Patchouli smells kinda like forest floor--along with vetiver.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Same here...foresty /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
That\'s what I thought too.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Well, she is a bit of a strange bird, after all.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
DrSmellThis
10-25-2003, 04:19 PM
Yes! Congrats.
Glad it turned out well, Elana. Let us know how it matures. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I do
encourage folks to try the original formula if possible, even if you have to go out and buy the oils, just to get
the idea of it. If we eventually all have similar oils, then it will be easier to learn/experiment. Also, it can be
hard, but just a little discipline to not use it IMMEDIATELY might be well worth it.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I am working on a hauntingly erotic women\'s floral
perfume at this moment. I used a whole bottle of original, undiluted EW (100x strength of the current one) in it,
along with many other aphrodisiacs, musks, lots of anise, precious flowers, and pheromones! I\'ve never smelled
anything like it, with all that EW, which smells delightful in the proper context, like every stinky organic
substance. When it\'s finished, Bruce will get a sample.
franki
10-25-2003, 04:24 PM
DST, are you planning
to sell your perfumes? People like me with a f*cked up sense of smell and two left hands will never be able to make
good perfumes themselves...
Franki :-:)~
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My panties have
smelled like licorice all
day
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sound
s yummy!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Now that\'s what I call a \"Good n
Plenty\" treat. \"Sounds yummy\" is right!!!! What kinda candy are you going to be giving out next Friday Elana?
Can I come by? My costume is a full body Penis!!! Whatdoyasay?
Actually you inspired me today Elana (no, not
that kind of inspired). I\'ve been playing around with Anise and Baby Powder oils for a couple of weeks now after
reading that study on women\'s reactions to various scents and today I finally put a cover scent mix together that
works for me. I\'ve tried most of the men\'s Colognes that have been suggested on the Forum and haven\'t liked
any of them. They\'re all just too \"in your face\" for me. Especially compared to some of the real
good(expensive) high end Perfumes I\'ve sniffed. Women\'s Perfumes seem to be so much more refined than the
men\'s stuff. Understandably so. I like refined! I like subtle! But you don\'t seem to get that in a cologne.
By themselves the Anise and BP are way to fem for me but I like that women like and respond to them. The mix
I put together is a real junk-yard affaire but waste not, want not and the end result is great. At least for me.
Manly, but believe it or not, very subtle and refined. Anise, BP, Comtoir Sud Pacifique Vanille Amber(bi),
L\'Artisan Tea for Two (bi), Royall Musk and some Jako Lagerfeld. ShaZam! The Musk and Lagerfeld seem to keep
everything anchored nicely as the Anise, Vanille Amber and BP float across the top. The TforT adds a nice spicy
harmonic. I like it a lot and tomorrow I get to try it out. OH BOY!
Little by little you get sucked in to
\"whole scent\" thing don\'t you? I\'m sure it won\'t be too long before I start buying all the oils
recommended by the good DR. and others on the Forum. It\'s lots of fun and I thank you one and all!
Ash
DrSmellThis
10-26-2003, 03:42 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
DST, are you planning to sell your perfumes? People
like me with a f*cked up sense of smell and two left hands will never be able to make good perfumes
themselves...
Franki :-:)~
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Only if you explain that emoticon to
me!
Elana
10-26-2003, 03:55 AM
It\'s a person
sticking his tounge out with really, really big nostrils
Elana
10-26-2003, 03:59 AM
The incomplete version
of Turning Oriental covers TE completely. I cannot wait to make the original. I am loving this mix. My sheets smell
like it because I went to sleep with scented body lotion.
Everyone get the stuff and make it.
I have got to
place another order this week. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
DrSmellThis
10-26-2003, 04:08 AM
Actually Bruce
and I have been talking for a while now, but I\'m still working on them. Bruce has been very open and encouraging,
as you might expect. I\'m working on three limited edition perfumes: one men\'s, one women\'s, and one unisex.
The men\'s version, which has been very difficult to create, will be finished first. Of course, Bruce will have to
approve them, and nothing has been sent to him yet. They are very complicated and ambitious perfumes. I\'m sort of
like the Chihuahua of perfumers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif The men\'s formula has around
125 ingredients, and the others aren\'t much different. I can\'t say too much more yet.
Elana
10-26-2003, 04:13 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
The men\'s formula has around 125
ingredients,
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Elana
10-26-2003, 02:09 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Incidentally, if you add Everclear instead of
jojoba to the above recipe, double or triple the strength, and then put it in a bottle of edge, you can make your
own, woman\'s version of Edge Essentials,
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Can\'t I just use
my oil mix with no carrier and add that to a bottle of The Edge?
DrSmellThis
10-27-2003, 05:59 AM
Of course you
can! But would you want to? Probably not, because edge is half alcohol only, (like vodka) and won\'t dissolve
EO\'s. If they don\'t dissolve they won\'t mask odor as well, or stay mixed. You must add a little grain
alcohol to the oils first to dissolve them, maybe 50/50. You can experiment, and draw your own conclusions. I\'ve
tried it both ways.
DrSmellThis
10-31-2003, 04:10 PM
And here is a
fawking great, simple, tried-n-true, workhorse recipe for you lurking men. (although most women will like it too!) I
am giving 3 versions so you can choose your complexity/sophistication level, and to allow for personal tastes. One
is NOT better than the other!! Just different.
Randy Pants
8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1 Cinnamon
leaf (optional)
1 bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba
This is a
very good cover scent, and an outstanding aphrodisiac for attracting women.
Holmes
10-31-2003, 04:25 PM
Excellent! Big up,
Docta. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Who the hell is Randy Pants? Didn\'t he used to play
guitar with Ozzy Osbourne?
Holmes
Holmes
10-31-2003, 04:38 PM
Oh...and damn! I just
got sweet orange, too! Doh! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Holmes
Sexyredhead
10-31-2003, 05:35 PM
Use the sweet
orange for your house. The ladies\'ll like that too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Elana
10-31-2003, 05:38 PM
or do SRH\'s Orange
Vanilla lifesavers recipe. YUMMMMMMMM
Holmes
10-31-2003, 05:52 PM
Oh that\'s right!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I\'ll give it a try!
Is sweet orange an inappropriate
fragrance for a guy to wear, though? Can I add anything to make it more suitable?
Holmes
Sexyredhead
10-31-2003, 05:55 PM
If you wore it I
would think you were an orange tootsie roll pop.
How many licks would it take, I wonder?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
fiddler
10-31-2003, 09:32 PM
hey
doc,
where\'s the other 2 formulas?!?
fiddler
Sexyredhead
11-01-2003, 04:11 AM
formula
1:
All ingredients
formula 2:
with only the optional cinnamon leaf added
formula 3:
with both the
optional cinnamon leaf and bitter orange added
DrSmellThis
11-01-2003, 07:04 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Excellent! Big up, Docta.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Who the hell is Randy Pants? Didn\'t he used to play
guitar with Ozzy Osbourne?
Holmes
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I am Randy Pants.
That Randy Rhodes guy is always tryng to take credit for my work! Did you know Ozzy once snorted a phat line of
ants?
DrSmellThis
11-01-2003, 07:17 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Oh that\'s right!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I\'ll give it a try!
Is sweet orange an inappropriate
fragrance for a guy to wear, though? Can I add anything to make it more suitable?
Holmes
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yes. Elana\'s anise panties.
DrSmellThis
11-01-2003, 07:19 AM
Thanks, SRH!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Holmes
11-01-2003, 07:56 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I am Randy Pants. That Randy Rhodes guy is always
tryng to take credit for my work! Did you know Ozzy once snorted a phat line of ants?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yes. Elana\'s anise panties.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ah, right. Thanks!
Holmes
Holmes
11-01-2003, 08:06 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
If you wore it I would think you were an orange
tootsie roll pop.
How many licks would it take, I wonder?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Well, I would
think more than three...
Holmes
fiddler
11-02-2003, 12:26 PM
DST,
i have
access to a orgo lab. which alcohol would you recommend for dilution, mixing, etc.? For perfumes, aromatherapy,
etc. thanks.
fiddler
DrSmellThis
11-03-2003, 05:04 AM
-- purest ethanol
you can find -- grain alcohol. Never wood alcohol.
So who has tried Randy Pants? Let\'s get busy, germs!
Throw Teach an apple here!
Even though I made up the formula off the top of my head, I really do suspect the
combo is really a thousand years old or something, and I\'m just ignorant of it! It is similar in approach to
Satyr (which also has a cinnamon-floral note), an ancient occult recipe A. Crowley repopularized for attracting
mates. I think this one is almost as good (although Randy Pants lacks the lovely animal musks. It would be a waste
for me to go there. Those who wish to nudge it that way can add a drop of valerian and/or cistus -- trust me here).
His formula is more successful for attracting gay men, I think, but I like mine for heteros. Do a little intentional
meditation and mantra with it after compounding if you want to imitate the ancients.
Elana
11-03-2003, 12:46 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Randy Pants
8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1 Cinnamon
leaf (optional)
1 bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Any substitute for Neroli?
DrSmellThis
11-03-2003, 02:26 PM
There is no way
to avoid spending the money on precious flower oils with this one. You can\'t do everything with lavender and
geranium, unfortunately. You could try ylang ylang, but there would be a definite drop off in effectiveness. The
balance would be totally changed, since ylang is spicy like the cinnamon, and doesn\'t enhance the wood note to
the same degree. Still, there\'s no harm in experimenting to make something with a different idea.
I get
around it sometimes by buying them diluted (Aromaland makes them this way) or diluting them 10:1 with jojoba once I
get them to make them last. (Maybe using a splash of alcohol on the empty bottle when transferring to a larger
bottle to avoid waste, and pouring the jojoba in that bottle first, also.)
In general, it\'s better to have
a few costly oils you love than huge stockpiles of cheap ones you\'ll rarely use. At least, that\'s been my
thinking. It\'s only different for me because I make things for other people.
DrSmellThis
11-03-2003, 06:45 PM
Oh, I forgot.
DUHHHHHHHH!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Some substitute the cheaper petitgrain for neroli. So it\'s worth trying that. They both come from the same kind
of orange tree (leaves versus flowers), and have a sort of similar scent. It won\'t be quite as good, of course.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif (A shout out to my cuz franki, for turning me on to the ever
annoying smirkicon.) But it won\'t clash. Petitgrain goes well with woods, in general.
DrSmellThis
11-03-2003, 07:07 PM
Has anyone gotten
ahold of the Aftel text?? It\'s reeely good, and fun reading, with all the history & stuff!
Someday
I\'ll get past the naked lady.
It can be purchased from
http://www.Powells.com (\"http://www.Powells.com\") for $14.00.
DrSmellThis
11-04-2003, 05:14 AM
And while
we\'re on the subject, check her
out.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio
?inkey=62-0865476438-0 (\"http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-0865476438-0\")
CptKipling
11-04-2003, 02:29 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Actually Bruce and I have been talking for a while
now, but I\'m still working on them. Bruce has been very open and encouraging, as you might expect. I\'m working
on three limited edition perfumes: one men\'s, one women\'s, and one unisex. The men\'s version, which has
been very difficult to create, will be finished first. Of course, Bruce will have to approve them, and nothing has
been sent to him yet. They are very complicated and ambitious perfumes. I\'m sort of like the Chihuahua of
perfumers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif The men\'s formula has around 125 ingredients, and
the others aren\'t much different. I can\'t say too much more yet.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I\'d buy it!
DrSmellThis
11-04-2003, 09:19 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Me too!!!
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
I will let everyone know when I\'ve finished the first perfume and run it by the boss. Today I
made a lot of progress on the men\'s creation, as well as the label and bottle art; which led me to believe it is
near finished. Of course \"near\" is a relative term! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I feel intoxicated right now from smelling it. It definitely has a
narcotic effect as part of the psychological package! Which brings me to today\'s tips:
1. Stop right
now and question the emotional qualities you like to create in your perfumes, in terms of images, stories, and
fantasies that spring to mind. Maybe you are thinking of marauding pirates, an intimate night at home, a night at
the opera, an orgy, a speakeasy, a racetrack, a rave, or a barber shop. Tell a little story about it. What effects,
images, and emotions would have to be experienced by yourself and others in order for those fantasies to be true? In
what order would they have to be, and how do you imagine the emotions would interact with each other? Lastly, what
oils might capture those emotions? Do a search on the internet with the oil and the word \"properties\" to get
hints. A great perfume orchestrates an experience for someone exposed to it, sort of like a movie does.
2.
Every good perfume must have a single theme! This is NOT to say you have to be able to put the theme into
words! But it is nonetheless a rule. Thinking about the psychology you want is one good way to make sure your
perfume has a theme.
Todays thought exercise: How is this approach I just described different from that of
\"aromatherapy\"?
Elana
11-05-2003, 05:20 AM
What a fantastic
post, DST. I just need to familiarize myself with the scents before I can attempt to create things that I am
feeling.
DrSmellThis
11-05-2003, 08:01 PM
Mmmmm Hmm.
DrSmellThis
11-05-2003, 08:21 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
And while we\'re on the subject, check her
out.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?i
nkey=62-0865476438-0 (\"http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-0865476438-0\")
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"><FORM METHOD=POST
ACTION=\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/dopoll.php\"><INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=\"pollname\"
VALUE=\"1068088906DrSmellThis\">
Lame Library Pun Poll!<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\"
value=\"1\" />Yes I got the stupid pun.<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"2\" />No, didn\'t get
the stupid pun<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"3\" />You shouldn\'t call your sweet cinnamon
puns stupid! That\'s muffin to get upset about!<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"4\" />None of
the freakin\' a -- bove!
DrSmellThis
11-06-2003, 11:57 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
formula 1:
All ingredients
formula 2:
with
only the optional cinnamon leaf added
formula 3:
with both the optional cinnamon leaf and bitter orange
added
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Oops, I missed this: Formula 1 of Randy Pants is just
the sandal and neroli. #2 has the cinnamon. # 3 has everything.
DrSmellThis
11-06-2003, 12:41 PM
Answer to the
above thought exercise:
You guys and gals need never be confused when people start talking about
\'aromatherapy\' while you are trying to talk about perfume. Aroma-therapy is about healing, and mitigating
harm. It presumes a lack, disease, or stressful circumstances; an unwellness.
Like aromatherapy,
perfuming is a science. But perfuming, as I have described it, is much bigger. It is world culture and
history; art; fashion; a form of recreation, sprituality and sensuous life enhancement. Since it trains the nose, it
enhances survival and procreation; as well as one\'s ability and sensitivity for intimacy. It is a social glue
that enables smelly humans to get along. Perfumes are items of prescious value, signifying status, sophistication,
magic, and enjoyment of life.
Now I am going to be so presumtuous as to \'assign homework.\' But how
can I get away with such preposterousness, you might ask, since none of you formally agreed to participate in any
class? The answer is, I am now categorically renouncing sensitivity! I can get away with it because I\'m a
bastard, and don\'t care! Neener, neener neener! And because I\'m going to wait to post new information until
some people get more involved! Because I do care. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Because the
learning is mostly in the doing in perfumery.
Y\'all\'s assignment is to submit an original mix for
discussion, following the principles, examples and tips we have discussed so far. I\'m asking for folks to please
say something about the theme of their mix, not just give drops; and to say how the oils they have chosen
expresses that theme.
DrSmellThis
11-06-2003, 12:51 PM
Oh, since I
screwed up slightly on the above poll, the only way you can vote and see results is to press \'enter\'. Sorry
for the confusion. Of course, I am aware that nobody but moi cares about the dumb poll. But teaching is an
essentially narcissistic enterprise, that only pretends to help people. God, that feels better. How did I ever think
I could become sensitive?
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Quite a convincing endorsement, Elana.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Guess I need to run some errands today.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Got question for you. I had an \"overnight guest\" recently
who said she thought Patchouli smells like sex to her. Would you or any of the other ladies agree?
Needless to
say, I put a few drops of Patchouli in my bedroom that night. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Patchouli smells woody, and very sexy in a \"clean\" way.
Elana
11-07-2003, 06:03 AM
I made the exact
recipe for Turning Oriental. It\'s brilliant! It\'s so sexy. I even used a bit in my nebulizer (not a great idea
because of the thick benzoin) and my room smells gorgeous.
I don\'t know if any of you guys are making any of
these recipes that DST is posting. If you are not you are really missing out.
How much do you wear of
these things (application amount)?
Everything smells sexy to you. Water smells sexy to you
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Seriously, how do they compare to the comercial perfumes (be
honest).
Elana
11-07-2003, 06:37 AM
No...I don\'t like
really light, girlie, flowery fragrances. I like sweet, spicy, oriental, musky stuff.
Trust me...this stuff
smells like something that you would buy in the department store. I think it is very unisex as well.
mmmmmmmmm
that man is wearing bottled water....I am so turned on. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
How much do you wear of these things (application
amount)?
Everything smells sexy to you. Water smells sexy to you
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Seriously, how do they compare to the comercial perfumes (be
honest).
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I agree with Elane. I go for the orientals, but I prefer
mostly vanilla-based ones like Allure and Shalimar.
I wear the straight perfume oils, which I order from Kuwait.
It\'s the same as the perfume, but no alchohol. I guess the Kuwaitis prefer their designer perfumes concentrated.
Elana
11-07-2003, 06:55 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
How much do you wear of these things (application
amount)?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I didn\'t add a carrier to it. I like to use it
straight. I multiply the amounts x 8. I put a small amount of unscented lotion in my hand and add a few drops. I am
wearing it now directly on my skin with no lotion. I thought that the cinnamon might bother my skin, but it does
not. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
all this stuff seems
like it would smell good. plus a lot funner to make it yourself then buying some commerical fgragrance. That is
why I don\'t like to wear some of the good colognes -- everyone else has them, I just think it is so unoriginal.
Anyone know of any plays with a large sampler set of a lot of different oils in very small quanties?
Sexyredhead
11-07-2003, 09:15 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Answer to the above thought exercise:
You
guys and gals need never be confused when people start talking about \'aromatherapy\' while you are trying to
talk about perfume. Aroma-therapy is about healing, and mitigating harm. It presumes a lack, disease, or stressful
circumstances; an unwellness.
Like aromatherapy, perfuming is a science. But perfuming, as I have
described it, is much bigger. It is world culture and history; art; fashion; a form of recreation, sprituality and
sensuous life enhancement. Since it trains the nose, it enhances survival and procreation; as well as one\'s
ability and sensitivity for intimacy. It is a social glue that enables smelly humans to get along. Perfumes are
items of prescious value, signifying status, sophistication, magic, and enjoyment of life.
Now I am going to be
so presumtuous as to \'assign homework.\' But how can I get away with such preposterousness, you might
ask, since none of you formally agreed to participate in any class? The answer is, I am now categorically renouncing
sensitivity! I can get away with it because I\'m a bastard, and don\'t care! Neener, neener neener! And because
I\'m going to wait to post new information until some people get more involved! Because I do care.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Because the learning is mostly in the doing in
perfumery.
Y\'all\'s assignment is to submit an original mix for discussion, following the principles,
examples and tips we have discussed so far. I\'m asking for folks to please say something about the theme
of their mix, not just give drops; and to say how the oils they have chosen expresses that theme.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
My homework must wait until my sense of smell comes back.
Hopefully around the first frost, when whatever it is I\'ve been allergic to for the past few weeks DIES.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Elana
11-07-2003, 09:32 AM
My first attempt
sucked. I started with 6 Peppermint, 4 Rosemary, and 2 Cedarwood. It smelled like a doctors office rather then a
snowy winter day in the forest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I\'ll try
again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Elana
11-07-2003, 09:33 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I agree with Elane.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Who is she? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Gimme my A
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sexyredhead
11-07-2003, 09:40 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
My first attempt sucked. I started with 6
Peppermint, 4 Rosemary, and 2 Cedarwood. It smelled like a doctors office rather then a snowy winter day in the
forest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I\'ll try again.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Why don\'t
you try eucalyptus, pine, fir, and vetiver? Eucalyptus for that sharp coldness, pine and fir for the trees you
usually would smell, and vetiver or maybe patchouli for that slightly musty scent that all good forests have.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
DrSmellThis
11-07-2003, 09:47 AM
Elana, that\'s
the \'familiarity beforehand\' factor you were talking about, I think. All of those oils had medicinal/chemical
overtones, and function in the same portion of the smell spectrum, that of sharp top notes.
You are to be
commended for your bravery and diligence.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Who is she? Gimme my A
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
E-L-A-N-A No more butchering please!!!
Sagacious1420
11-07-2003, 02:01 PM
A
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
DrSmellThis
11-08-2003, 08:52 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I made the exact recipe for Turning Oriental.
It\'s brilliant! It\'s so sexy. I even used a bit in my nebulizer (not a great idea because of the thick
benzoin) and my room smells gorgeous.
I don\'t know if any of you guys are making any of these recipes that
DST is posting. If you are not you are really missing out.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Thank you
very much, Elana. I\'m glad it turned out well. So how many drops of valerian did you end up using?
Hungry
11-08-2003, 10:34 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Randy Pants
8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1
Cinnamon leaf (optional)
1 bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Ahh, thank you Doc. I\'m going to try this right now. Please
post more recipes, I\'ll try them all.
PS: I\'ll be lining up to buy the mens formula you\'re working on.
I\'m also happy to beta-test if you need anyone /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Hungry
DrSmellThis
11-08-2003, 10:41 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
My first attempt sucked. I started with 6
Peppermint, 4 Rosemary, and 2 Cedarwood. It smelled like a doctors office rather then a snowy winter day in the
forest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I\'ll try again.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Interestingly,
the mix you made would be a great rodent repellant, if you bump up the cedar to 8!! I\'m serious here! It will
work better than poison or traps, if you make enough. Just sprinkle it where they go, and they\'ll either leave or
never come in for the winter. So what were you going for? Snowy winter day in the forest? Let\'s keep your
ingredients in there, and add a little cozy cabin action. This one is called,
Nick no Saint Callin\' his
Ho\'s
Base note:
3 patchouli
6 cedar
6 benzoin
Heart note:
4
cinnamon leaf
8 clove
3 lavender
1 rosemary (or sage)
Top note:
3 pine needle
16
orange
8 bergamot
8 juniper
1 peppermint
Fixative
1 valerian
Mix as before. Dilute
oils with everclear 4:1. Let sit for three days in an airtight glass vial. Then mix with a little
sweetener-free vanilla extract (alcohol base only, like you cook with; a capful -- just a guess)! Ho ho ho!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Where do you come up
with these ratios? Are these your own findings or shared knowledge from those in perfumery.
It is all really
interesting stuff. I wish I could buy those. Bruce has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or
something.
fiddler
11-09-2003, 11:12 AM
DST,
any floral
formulas for women?
i\'ll second bjf, where do you come up with this? we all want to
know!
thanks.
fiddler
Elana
11-09-2003, 11:14 AM
I am having a lot of
fun playing around with these recipes, but I am not even close to being ready to come up with my own. I quit the
exercise, but I will try it when I am a bit more familiar with the oils. SRH...go for it!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Elana
11-09-2003, 11:18 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
So how many drops of valerian did you end up using?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
When I made my two batches of incomplete and slightly
different Turning Oriental, I made huge amounts. When I made the real recipe, I did it exactly as you posted.
DrSmellThis
11-09-2003, 03:59 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
DST,
any floral formulas for women?
i\'ll
second bjf, where do you come up with this? we all want to know!
thanks.
fiddler
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
See above. My first recipe was a floral. I also gave partial instrustions
for rose and jasmine scents.
DrSmellThis
11-09-2003, 04:02 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Where do you come up with these ratios? Are these
your own findings or shared knowledge from those in perfumery.
It is all really interesting stuff. I wish I
could buy those. Bruce has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or something.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
The ratios come from experience, and are partially intuitive.
Sometimes they come from hell, as I make lots of mistakes.
Today\'s tip
The technical secret to
ratios is to practice mentally comparing relative strengths of the different oils. So for neroli:sandalwood in Randy
Pants, I was thinking the ratio is maybe 4.5:1. You can go through each pair of oils in this way if you are really
anal, which I\'m not. The stronger an oil is, the less you use. Notice how I applied that principle to peppermint
in the example above. Of course, artistic intentions also help determine ratios. What do you want it to smell mostly
like?
DrSmellThis
11-09-2003, 04:05 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I am having a lot of fun playing around with these
recipes, but I am not even close to being ready to come up with my own. I quit the exercise, but I will try it when
I am a bit more familiar with the oils. SRH...go for it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Thanks for sharing that. If you do try your own, it should be
helpful to review the nooks and crannies of the thread. Feel good about yourself for pioneering. Funky formulas are
just part of the game.
Doc, I noticed that big
time with peppermint. If you remember, Ihad Pmed you about that one. Well I actually use a mouthwash made of E.Os
and it is a lot of peppermint, and it smells like it (just not as sweet). It saw just how little effected
sandlewood and gardenia and white musk. It definitely is a strong oil.
DrSmellThis
11-09-2003, 04:23 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Doc, I noticed that big time with peppermint. If
you remember, Ihad Pmed you about that one. Well I actually use a mouthwash made of E.Os and it is a lot of
peppermint, and it smells like it (just not as sweet). It saw just how little effected sandlewood and gardenia and
white musk. It definitely is a strong oil.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Everone should get jojoba and empty vials to dilute the
stronger oils with. This will save you a lot of otherwise wasted money. Always dilute to an easy to remember ratio,
such as 10:1, etc. Oils that should probably be diluted include all the animal essences, nutmeg, costus, sage,
rosemary, oud, jasmine, neroli, angelica, and cinnamon bark.
DrSmellThis
11-09-2003, 04:31 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Randy Pants
8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1 Cinnamon leaf (optional)
1
bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Ahh, thank you Doc. I\'m going to try this right now. Please post more recipes, I\'ll
try them all.
PS: I\'ll be lining up to buy the mens formula you\'re working on. I\'m also happy to
beta-test if you need anyone /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Hungry
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Good luck. Please, let us know how it turned out.
Hungry
11-10-2003, 04:03 AM
I couldn\'t find
anything stronger than 2.5% Neroli in stores near me, so I ordered it in. <sigh> Now I have to wait a few
days.
Hungry
DrSmellThis
11-10-2003, 06:09 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Where do you come up with these ratios? Are these your own findings or
shared knowledge from those in perfumery.
It is all really interesting stuff. I wish I could buy those. Bruce
has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or something.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
The ratios come from experience, and are partially intuitive. Sometimes they come from hell, as
I make lots of mistakes.
Today\'s tip
The technical secret to ratios is to practice mentally comparing
relative strengths of the different oils. So for neroli:sandalwood in Randy Pants, I was thinking the ratio is maybe
4.5:1. You can go through each pair of oils in this way if you are really anal, which I\'m not. The stronger an
oil is, the less you use. Notice how I applied that principle to peppermint in the example above. Of course,
artistic intentions also help determine ratios. What do you want it to smell mostly like?
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I have in mind logic for a program that will automatically design perfumes
based on a few principles (of ratios, etc.), in case abductor wants to collaborate. It wouldn\'t be like the
perfumer\'s workbook, but would aim at simpleness.
DrSmellThis
11-10-2003, 06:21 AM
How about somebody posting a poem or two about perfume, if I promise to post some! Deal? Break
out the Kava Kava!
Elana
11-10-2003, 06:39 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
How about somebody posting a
poem or two about perfume,
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I would rather stab myself in the eye
with a fork.
Elana
11-10-2003, 07:33 AM
I just mixed 75 drops of Turning Oriental. I used 50 drops of straight oil and 25 drops of
carrier oil. I added 25 drops of AE/w, 25 drops of PI/w, and 20 drops of TE/w. I can\'t detect the TE. I will let
you all know how it wears.
randa
11-10-2003, 08:29 AM
Thought you guys
might like this site, has recipes for winter/holiday scents. Can be used to make home scent or perfume.
Snow Drift Farm (\"http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_scentblends.html\")
nonscents
11-10-2003, 09:48 AM
I
haven\'t used commercial deodorant for years. (They give me a rash.) I use Everclear and play with essential
oils.
So I\'ve been reading this thread and bought some patchouli at the supermarket on my way home. I started
playing with it and didn\'t think anything of it. I kept it with my other essential oils in the kitchen
cabinet.
A couple of days before Halloween I sat down with my son and we carved the pumpkin. Then it sat around
for a few days in the kitchen.
I started noticing more and more that there was a real foul odor in the kitchen. I
thought it was time to dump the pumpkin. But the odor was barely detectable near pumpkin. Around my cabinet in the
kitchen, it was putrid. I finally realized that the patchouli was the source.
It doesn\'t seem bad at all
diluted with Everclear in my deodorants. But it smells like a mouse died in the back of my kitchen
cabinet.
Thanks Doc! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
nonscents.
So many of these EOs smell terrible on there own for my taste. But when you are diluting that heavily, I guess it
has to smell really extreme in the fragrance it is to add the right note to your prefume. But I am with you in not
like the smell of patcholi.
DST,
If we wear these perfumes in combonation with phermones, are we to
make the perfumes to smell good on their own, and then use as a cover, or to smell okay on their own, but better
then the former when combined with mones?
If we are to do tak into account pheromones, should we just premix
are frangrances with the product of choice, so that we know how it will smell?
Also, what E.Os are good for
covering the cat piss smells, and how would peppermint do?
I am aiming to make a bottle of NPA with eo\'s,
with the total content remaining a substantial amount of npa. I would like to avoid also hitting people with scent
overkill, even if it smells good, though I realize I will need to cover the cat piss smell with some strong
scent(s).
DrSmellThis
11-11-2003, 07:30 PM
You
should take into account the pheromones, technically. Practically, I think we should not worry about it, and just
make something that smells good. Any recipe I provide will work well with raw pheromones. I do not generally
recommend mixing perfumes together, however.
DrSmellThis
11-11-2003, 07:32 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Thought you guys might like this site, has recipes
for winter/holiday scents. Can be used to make home scent or perfume.
www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_scentblends.html (\"http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_scentblends.html\")
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Thanks, Randa!
DrSmellThis
11-11-2003, 07:40 PM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I haven\'t used commercial deodorant for years.
(They give me a rash.) I use Everclear and play with essential oils.
So I\'ve been reading this thread and
bought some patchouli at the supermarket on my way home. I started playing with it and didn\'t think anything of
it. I kept it with my other essential oils in the kitchen cabinet.
A couple of days before Halloween I sat down
with my son and we carved the pumpkin. Then it sat around for a few days in the kitchen.
I started noticing more
and more that there was a real foul odor in the kitchen. I thought it was time to dump the pumpkin. But the odor was
barely detectable near pumpkin. Around my cabinet in the kitchen, it was putrid. I finally realized that the
patchouli was the source.
It doesn\'t seem bad at all diluted with Everclear in my deodorants. But it smells
like a mouse died in the back of my kitchen cabinet.
Thanks Doc!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
You should be
thanking Elana for the rodent repellant recipe. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
DrSmellThis
11-12-2003, 04:05 AM
And
here\'s the simplest great men\'s recipe you\'ll ever see:
Clean, Sexy and Butt-Ass Lazy!
2 Sandalwood
Apply liberally to your greasy, unwashed body once every day.
franki
11-12-2003, 04:08 AM
That sounds
like something for me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
DrSmellThis
11-12-2003, 04:13 AM
It\'s
the one I use.
Elana
11-14-2003, 06:09 AM
www.mothernature.com (\"http://www.mothernature.com\") has free shipping today. If you need to pick up a
few oils for some of DST\'s mixes, you may as well take advantage of this because there is no minimum ordering
requirements.
Enter code: VETSDAY
Do you or
anybody else no about their thin to thick shampoo (on the front page)
My hair gets so greasy easily, I have to
use clarifying. I wonder if this will just make my hair greasy.
Elana
11-14-2003, 07:50 AM
I don\'t
know anything about it?
I just ordered the unscented conditioner so I can mix in my own EO\'s for custom
smelling hair. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Elana
11-16-2003, 11:52 AM
DST...both SRH and I placed large
orders for some of the oils we have been missing, including the Rose otto and Neroli. Now we are ready to play with
the big boys /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sexyredhead
11-16-2003, 01:01 PM
Yep, we bought ourselves
enough oils to wrassle in! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
We\'ll let you know when they come
in so you can buy tickets. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Elana
11-17-2003, 05:11 AM
I didn\'t do
anything yet. I just want to know if I am going in the right direction.
6 Sweet Orange or Neroli
4
Geranium
1 Vanilla or Benzoin
1 Sandalwood
DrSmellThis
11-19-2003, 11:02 AM
Some good
elements. Would smell good.
When starting out, it helps to divide into 3 parts for top, mid and bottom, as I
suggested in the beginning. Your formula is top heavy, with little bottom and almost no mid.
Elana
11-19-2003, 03:28 PM
I thought that
is what I did.
Isn\'t it Orange (T), Benzoin (M) and Sandalwood (B)?
DrSmellThis
11-19-2003, 04:25 PM
Benzoin
is more of a base note, due to its extremely slow evaporation rate.
It also might be helpful to think of
the 3:2:1 ratio along with that scheme. You add up the drops in each category to get the ratio.
DrSmellThis
11-20-2003, 12:31 AM
Yours
would be 10:1:1 if you considered benzoin a middle note, or 10:0:2 if a base note. (See first post in thread for
relevant criterion.) Applying the 3:2:1 \"rule\" should get your perfume in shape.
Keep in mind that something
can smell nice (like yours)without the rule, but we typically want perfumes to be balanced across the volatility
spectrum, as a \"complete smell experience\" that will develop nicely with time.
Elana
11-20-2003, 03:44 PM
Sorry about
what I posted. I was not correct. This is what I thought I was doing...
6 Sweet Orange or Neroli (TOP)
4
Geranium (MIDDLE)
1 Vanilla or Benzoin (BASE)
1 Sandalwood (BASE)
Sexyredhead
11-20-2003, 03:58 PM
Sooooooo...what might a girl use as a fixative if say, valerian root was on back order and she didn\'t know
another good source?
Hypothetically, of course. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sexyredhead
11-25-2003, 07:15 PM
Ok, to
list my newly stocked inventory of EO\'s (and to bump this thread up
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif):
ylang ylang
rosemary
clary
sage
grapefruit
vetiver
bergamot
lavender
cinnamon leaf
lemon
lime
rosewood
eucalyptus
sweet
orange
palmarosa
red mandarin
tea tree
anise
ginger
geranium
cajeput
peppermint
german
chamomile
sandalwood
frankincense
niaouli
fir needle
wintergreen
neroli
myrrh
jasmine
absolute
benzoin
black pepper
clove bud
atlas cedarwood
patchouli
sweet birch
juniperberry
rose otto
bitter
orange
fragrance oils:
bayberry
pumpkin pie
almond
vanilla lace
amaretto
Sexyredhead
11-25-2003, 07:57 PM
Ok,
I\'ve made Here Smell Me and Turning Oriental so far. Everything smells yummy.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I used atlas cedarwood as a fixative instead of valerian root,
since I can\'t get valerian root right now. Both mixes are sitting through at least tomorrow and maybe until after
Thanksgiving before my final verdict.
Holmes
11-25-2003, 08:10 PM
Yeah,
Valerian Root has been difficult to find for some reason. I might try substituting with Patchouli for the Randy
Pants. Will that work?
Holmes
Sexyredhead
11-26-2003, 04:29 AM
Probably
because all the lurkers went out and bought it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif To think we
caused a shortage in the world\'s supply of valerian root! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Yes, I
would think patchouli would work fine. Does it already have patchouli in the recipe? Just make sure you don\'t
over-patchouli it.
Elana
11-26-2003, 04:53 AM
DST...please give us
more /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
SRH...the black pepper addiction was a very nice idea. I
think I will add a bit more. I must be WAY overdoing my Essential oil to Jojoba. I used about 40 drops of EO to 160
drops of jojoba. After this mix I read that it should be about 2 drops of EO to every 90 drops of jojoba.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Oooops /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sexyredhead
11-26-2003, 06:13 AM
Just make a
great big batch. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I\'m glad it\'s working. I may have to make
that one up too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Whitehall
11-26-2003, 09:34 AM
A good guide to the
relative strengths of the various EOs is found in the back of Tisserard\'s book on Aromatheraphy. That table
should give you guidence on the relative mixing proportions when making a mix.
It also has an appendix on the
relative volitility. That\'s a guide to which EOs are top notes, which are fixatives, etc.
The part about the
astrological signs of the various EOs strains my personal
belief.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0892810017/qid=1069868017/sr=1-
27/ref=sr_1_27/104-9446896-6119150?v=glance&s=books (\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0892810017/qid=1069868017/sr=1-27/ref=sr_1_27/104-9
446896-6119150?v=glance&s=books\")
DrSmellThis
11-29-2003, 05:13 AM
Hi all.
Patchouli, in relatively small quantities, is a good overall fixative. Cedar is a little weak in the base note for
overall fixation, but is a good mid/top fixative when you already have a base fixative, if that makes sense.
You
can substitute things for valerian, but they are all just as obscure. I will go there if folks request it. To make a
long story short, Angelica root is the easiest of them to find. But I would dilute angelica in jojoba 10:1 before
using.
It\'s fine to leave valerian out if you want. Animal notes are important, though.
DrSmellThis
11-29-2003, 05:19 AM
Informative and
accurate post, WH. Relative volatility is good to know, although memorizing the numbers is not important, IMO.
DrSmellThis
11-29-2003, 05:30 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
DST...please give us more
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
SRH...the black pepper addiction was a very nice idea. I think
I will add a bit more. I must be WAY overdoing my Essential oil to Jojoba. I used about 40 drops of EO to 160 drops
of jojoba. After this mix I read that it should be about 2 drops of EO to every 90 drops of jojoba.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Oooops /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">What you were doing sounds fine, depending on whether you wanted
\"eau de perfume strength\". Weaker concentrations are good for \"eau de cologne\", body oils,
aftershaves, etc.
Hungry
12-04-2003, 03:35 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Clean, Sexy and Butt-Ass Lazy!
2 Sandalwood
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'ve been using the Randy Pants recipe for a couple
of weeks now,and I like it a lot, particularly the valarian root version. I was surprised to get a lot of looks
from women while wearing it. But, I have to admit, plain old sandalwood is still my favourite. It\'s what I
still use in my phero mixes.
Hungry
Elana
12-04-2003, 06:37 AM
Where the
hell have you been, Hungry?
DST...we need some more recipes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Elana
12-08-2003, 03:59 PM
I just got a
really nice book today called \"The scented woman.\" It is a tiny little hard covered black book with just 10
recipes. I\'ll post them all eventually. Is that legal? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif All of
these use alcohol as the carrier. Here is the first one...
DELIGHT
60 drops of Cassis
9 drops of
Vetiver
6 drops of Cinnamon
6 drops of Pine Balsam.
Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle
Elana
12-08-2003, 04:01 PM
INTRIGUE
40 drops of
Ambergris
16 drops of Jasmine
8 drops of Musk
4 drops of Frankincense
Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle
Elana
12-08-2003, 04:02 PM
FRESH
24 drops of Sandalwood
20
drops of Neroli
12 drops of Rose
8 drops of Cinnamon
4 drops of Rosemary
4 drops of Lemongrass
Dilute to fill
a 1 ounce bottle
Elana
12-08-2003, 04:05 PM
NIGHT
18 drops of Patchouli
9
drops of Vanilla
9 drops of Amber
30 drops of Neroli
18 drops of Jasmine
Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle
Sexyredhead
12-08-2003, 04:12 PM
I will try them ALL!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif As soon as I get some Amber.
Here\'s a recipe I got from
Snowdrift Farm called Three Kings. I made it up last night and put it in the diffuser, and my house smells so good I
can\'t be in it without smiling, and thinking of sex. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Three Kings
4 drops frankincense
4 drops
myrrh
4 drops sandalwood
4 drops Bulgarian lavender
2 drops ylang ylang
4 drops rose absolute
4 drops
jasmin absolute
3 drops lemon
Elana
12-09-2003, 04:52 AM
SPRING
30 drops of Lavender
8
drops of Rosemary
20 drops of Tuberose
16 drops of Oakmoss
Dilute to fill a 1 ounce bottle
Sexyredhead
12-09-2003, 05:06 AM
Where\'s a good source for
Oakmoss, btw?
And tuberose, while we\'re at it?
Elana
12-09-2003, 05:11 AM
http://www.cedarvale.net/essentialoils.htm (\"http://www.cedarvale.net/essentialoils.htm\") has all of
the oils mentioned in either essential oils or fragrance oils.
These are the fragrance oils listed in all of
my recipes....
musk, frangipani, gardenia, carnation, violet, heliotrope, lilac, turbose
Elana
12-09-2003, 05:13 AM
INNOCENT
40 drops of Violet
12 drops of Heliotrope
8 drops of Vetiver
4 drops of Juniper
4 drops of
Lilac
Dilute to fill a 1/4 bottle
Elana
12-09-2003, 05:16 AM
SERENE
40 drops of Rose
30 drops
of Rose Geranium
12 drops of Sandalwood
4 drops of Musk
Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle
Elana
12-09-2003, 05:22 AM
TROPICAL
30 drops of
Cassis
20 drops of Frangipani
14 drops of Patchouli
12 drops of Gardenia
4 drops of Ylang-ylang
4
drops od Cedarwood
Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce bottle
Elana
12-09-2003, 05:37 AM
SPICE
30 drops of Bergamot
18
drops of Carnation
18 drops of Sandalwood
12 drops of Patchouli
6 drops of Cedarwood
Dilute to fill a 1/4
ounce bottle
Elana
12-09-2003, 05:40 AM
ELEGANT
24 drops of Oakmoss
18
drops of Bergamot
12 drops of Amber
12 drops of Vetiver
6 drops of Pine Balsam
Dilute to fill a 1/4 ounce
bottle
DrSmellThis
12-10-2003, 04:20 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Where\'s a good source for Oakmoss, btw?
And tuberose, while
we\'re at it?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
The best for oakmoss is Liberty Natural
Products (search the web!), as their OM batch right now is a very good one, for cheap! Tuberose is obscenely
expensive, so you would have to research it carefully to test the market and crop. I\'d start by contacting
Oshadi, who would have to special order it. Anything you see on the shelves will be fake.
Elana
12-10-2003, 04:36 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Anything you see on the shelves will be fake.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Isn\'t it OK to use synthetics for the really expensive ones, like
tuberose and gardenia?
DrSmellThis
12-10-2003, 04:43 PM
Thanks
Elana. I like the \"fresh\" one.
Wow, those recipes use a lot of super expensive oils (e.g., carnation --
check with Liberty, where I get mine). We\'re talking \'by the drop\' expensive! Does the author recommend
sources, or recommend using just synthetics?
I want to discourage people from using synthetics without
guidance until they get lots of experience, as we need to learn the properties of the oils and how they mix.
Synthetics are a cheap, easy, effortless and \'talentless\' way to get something to smell \'pretty\'. As a
rule, however, synthetics add neither aphrodisiac nor aromatheraputic value to a mix, but only smell pretty (if
that). Synthetics are best used in very small quantities to gently round out a note here and there, IMHO (when
you\'ve a relatively large quantity of natural essential oils). That is what they were originally intended for.
Only economic considerations caused perfumers to start using them as primary ingredients. They tend often to be
toxic. The exceptions for me are the \'perfuming pheromones\', (none of which are sold here) which are, at
least, chemicals identical or very similar to ones produced by the body.
Many other synthetics are chemicals
found \"in nature\", or in essential oils, but then there is debate about what to call them. Within that category,
some are petroleum-based and some are derived from the oils themselves (e.g., vetiver acetate, which is great, but
still can\'t beat Oshadi\'s current crop of vetiver!) Still, you\'d only want very small amounts, in a larger
\'natural context\'. This explains why so many COMPLETELY synthetic products (e.g., SP oils) use the word
\"natural\" in the advertising /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif -- the, ahem, \'characters\'
that do this are counting on the fact that they can say that the chemicals \'can be found in nature!\'
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Fortunately for them, we, the public, are gullible.
If
you\'re going to screw someone over, think the corporate brass, screw over Joe and Jane Public! \"Everyone
else\" can afford large teams of attorneys, and might actually hold you accountable!
I will confess to
using extremely small amounts of both synthetic gardenia (on one occasion) and tuberose (on one occasion),
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif however; again, just to barely round out a note (e.g., tuberose
for a jasmine or vanilla note). Think of it as adding a little salt to a big plate of food. Used in this way they
are not dangerous, and can actually make a creation smell \'more like nature intended\'. I can help people more
with their proper use, if more interest is expresssed.
I personally use just miniscule amounts of synthetic
anything, and only on rare occasion, in a holistic natural context, similar to using a vitamin C (ascorbic acid)
supplement for someone with scurvy. You are restoring a natural note lost in the process of making the essential
oil. I rarely would buy any synthetic anything. Mostly I just use the perfuming pheromones, most of which are
derived from the natural oils themselves. I want to be able to say my perfumes are \'all natural\', and I hate
having to explain even this much to any one.
Elana
12-10-2003, 04:46 PM
Thank you for your timely
answer. I was going to buy a bunch of synthetics from Cedarvale.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
DrSmellThis
12-10-2003, 04:53 PM
Elana, check out my edit,
above (Thanks, Franki).
Elana
12-11-2003, 07:38 AM
I can\'t believe how
expensive Gardenia oil is. It is twice the price of rose oil. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
DrSmellThis
01-10-2004, 09:31 AM
One of my
many \"lotions and potions\":
DST\'s Topical Pain Reliever
2 wintergreen EO
2 lavender EO
1
helichrysum EO
1 camphor EO
1 drop St Johns wort tincture
1 drop arnica tincture
dab aloe
dab KY jelly
Mix above and rub into sore areas. It should work very well; better than commercial formulas, for a fraction of
the price. Good to make bigger batches, of course. Add a little emu oil, from Liberty Natural Products, if you\'d
like. Be careful buying emu, as most places try to rip you off. (like skinbio)
dcrew2000
01-11-2004, 01:44 AM
I know this is a
woman\'s form but I\'m wondering if the good doctor has a man\'s formula to entise the ladies?
Or pehaps
the ladies can tell me of any oils either in combination or alone that does the trick.
dcrew
EXIT63
01-11-2004, 04:49 AM
Yeah Doc...Do tell.
Sexyredhead
01-11-2004, 05:06 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I know this is a woman\'s form but I\'m
wondering if the good doctor has a man\'s formula to entise the ladies?
Or pehaps the ladies can tell me of any
oils either in combination or alone that does the trick.
dcrew
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Read back through the thread. There\'s more than one listed.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Elana
02-10-2004, 06:09 PM
OMG! Cardamom! LOVE IT!!!
I
had a small bottle of it hidden behind my massive EO collection. It smells amazing on its own. Anyone ever play
around with it?
Sexyredhead
02-10-2004, 06:16 PM
No, not the EO. Does
it smell like the bottled spice?
Elana
02-10-2004, 06:25 PM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
No, not the EO. Does it smell like the bottled spice?
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
No, it smells sweet and floral.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
It smells pretty on its own. I am going to go through my books
and look for some recipes.
Elana
02-10-2004, 06:46 PM
Look what I
found........
How to make Jasmine Perfume
by DrSmellThis
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Here\'s how:
You just get the pure essential oil (Oshadi Jasmine
Sambac would be a good choice. Just put \"oshadi\" into a search engine) and dilute in everclear; maybe 8 parts
everclear to 1 part essential oil, then after that matures for a week, you can add half again as much water to that
to extend it.
Add a little musk (some SOE or ambrette seed oil would work in a pinch), Sandalwood, benzoin
and/or patchouli for a fixative (just enough to barely smell whatever fixative); and a little ylang-ylang to bring
out some of the jasmine notes and extend it. Adding a little of the SP jasmine oil love scent sells would bring out
the top end. Adding a touch of clary sage, rose, rose geranium, cardamom (this one especially would work very well),
tobacco oil (no more than 1-2 drops), and/or coriander would be good highlights.
The rule here is to just add
enough of each extra ingredient to be able to barely smell it; and not one drop more. You don\'t want to take away
anything from the pure jasmine smell!!. Adding things, however, helps you get more mileage out of the expensive
jasmine (especially ylang-ylang, which is often used for this purpose in jasmine perfumes by pros!)
Ideally you
want to let the oils mature for a week - 10 days before adding the alcohol, then let that mature another 7-10 before
adding a little water. Then put the whole thing in a nice atomizer or fancy bottle. You can clean an old perfume
bottle with rubbing alcohol, soap and water for this if you want.
Your girlfriend (or you)will go nuts with the
romance of it all!
--------------------
DrSmellThis
\"\"
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
DrSmellThis
02-11-2004, 06:25 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
OMG! Cardamom! LOVE IT!!!
I had a small bottle of it hidden behind my
massive EO collection. It smells amazing on its own. Anyone ever play around with it?
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">It\'s one of my favorite spices -- great for a rich bottom end, in very small amounts.
Elana
02-11-2004, 06:31 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
OMG!
Cardamom! LOVE IT!!!
I had a small bottle of it hidden behind my massive EO collection. It smells amazing on its
own. Anyone ever play around with it?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">It\'s one of my favorite
spices -- great for a rich bottom end, in very small amounts.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
What does it mix well with?
DrSmellThis
02-11-2004, 06:39 AM
JASMINE PERFUME
ADDENDUM:
* Yes, just be sure not to add water before all the oils are mixed -- that post was a bit sloppy on
my part. Also, I would now recommend Liberty Jasmine Sambac for most folks, as it is much cheaper, but still pretty
good. But if you have the money, definitely go with Oshadi, as I originally said. If it was me I\'d mix the
two.
* Other alternatives are cinnamon leaf, vanilla, tuberose, and labdanum. Oak moss is another alternative
for a fixative here. As I said, just pick a few oils you like and go light. But ylang is a must, as is cardamom.
Think of the ylang as an extender -- use as much as you can without losing the jasmine identity, but be careful and
judicious. In this case a smidgen of synthetic tuberose would be fine.
* Dilute cardamom 10:1 before using
it, and even then go a drop at a time. It doesn\'t take much!
* Save some jasmine back, to top it off with
for the very final step!
* Jasmine perfume is one of the most satisfying scents to create! Everyone who wants
to learn perfume must learn to do it! After all, one of the oldest sayings in perfumery is, \"No perfume without
jasmine!\"
DrSmellThis
02-11-2004, 06:44 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr
/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
OMG! Cardamom! LOVE IT!!!
I had a small bottle
of it hidden behind my massive EO collection. It smells amazing on its own. Anyone ever play around with it?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">It\'s one of my favorite spices -- great for a rich bottom end, in
very small amounts.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
What does it mix well with?
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Other spices, sandalwoods, ambers, florals, oriental perfumes, musks, tobacco,
sweet notes.
It would be cool if you sold
your stuff on LS.
DrSmellThis
02-11-2004, 07:01 AM
It may well happen
sooner than people think, if Bruce finds a fit for it, and if the timing is right. I will keep all of you posted
when I have something substantive to say. Things in the lab have taken a very promising turn of late, which is one
reason I\'ve been kind of absent from the forum!
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
It may well happen sooner than people think, if Bruce finds a fit for it, and
if the timing is right. I will keep all of you posted when I have something substantive to say. Things in the lab
have taken a very promising turn of late, which is one reason I\'ve been kind of absent from the forum!
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I thought it was because it stopped snowing. Don\'t be a stranger! We
need you.
DrSmellThis
02-11-2004, 07:28 AM
The warm fuzzies are
flowin again!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
The warm fuzzies are flowin again!!!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Well now I know
why you are back! I still miss the old days, when you were the only one to paragraph a monsterous post.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Something abut fibboucini numbers ?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
BigBear
02-11-2004, 07:47 AM
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
The warm
fuzzies are flowin again!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Well now I know why you are back! I still miss the old days, when you were the only one to
paragraph a monsterous post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Something abut fibboucini numbers ?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Hmmm is there
love in the air bjf? <gg>
Just teasin, I like Cardamon to.
Drsmell he\'s right, you\'re posts ARE
terrif!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
------BigBadBear
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
DrSmellThis
02-11-2004, 01:59 PM
Thanks! I\'m glad you
guys find \'em useful.
DrSmellThis
02-23-2004, 02:08 AM
Time for
another formula for you enterprising souls! Recipes such as this and some of the others here don\'t just smell
nice, but also teach basic skills essential for learning the art of perfuming. Ambergris, which comes from whale
bellies, is one of the most valued and expensive substances in all of perfumery. Real ambergris, a celebrated
aphrodisiac, is too expensive for most pocketbooks, and some of it is collected through \"politically incorrect\"
means. So here is my simple but classic \"fake ambergris\" recipe that uses real EO\'s. There are countless
varieties of amber used in perfumery, but this recipe contains quite a bit of implicit, basic information. This is
an ideal cover scent mix for men or women, and can be worn everywhere, as a sexy (of course) perfume that absolutely
will not offend anyone. It gives the psychological effect of making the user and those surrounding feel safe,
amorous, and comfortable. Try it and see, said the blind man. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I
am providing three versions, which turn on whether one uses the optional ingredients, which are intended to more
closely mimic the fishy, musky aspects of real ambergris. I gahr-on-tee, y\'all will lahk it -- no foolin\':
(translation provided for those who speak \"SRH-bonics\")
Ambergris Alert!
7 benzoin
1
vanilla EO (Oshadi\'s works very well here)
1 labdanum (very cheap at Liberty currently)
1 sandalwood
1
oak moss (Optional)
1 ambrette seed (Optional. Pricey. Best source is Liberty, which ain\'t so bad, but please
avoid the inferior CO2 version)
1 balsam peru
1 cardamom, 20:1 dilute (Happy, Elana?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
40 jojoba
Mix the oils, and let them mature for
three days, away from light, in a sealed glass container. At the end of the three days, add the jojoba oil and mix
thoroughly. Let this mix mature another three days, and enjoy! -- DST
Elana
02-23-2004, 05:15 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Ambergris Alert!
7 benzoin
1 vanilla EO
(Oshadi\'s works very well here)
1 labdanum (very cheap at Liberty currently)
1 sandalwood
1 oak moss
(Optional)
1 ambrette seed (Optional. Pricey. Best source is Liberty, which ain\'t so bad, but please avoid the
inferior CO2 version)
1 balsam peru
1 cardamom, 20:1 dilute (Happy, Elana? )
40 jojoba
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Nice! Yes, I am happy. Thank you.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I haven\'t seen much of anything with cardamom in it.
Elana
02-23-2004, 05:40 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
1 ambrette seed
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Dumb question #626
Does this have anything to do with Amber?
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Same plant maybe?
Sexyredhead
02-23-2004, 07:37 AM
Wuhl
heck! If\'n it\'s good enuff fer them big ol\' fishbellies, it\'s dang-sure good enuff fer me!
I may
have to use some of my beer money stash to get me some of them \'gredients.
Sagacious1420
02-23-2004, 08:41 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
1 ambrette seed
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Dumb
question #626
Does this have anything to do with Amber? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Same
plant maybe?
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">No
Sagacious1420
02-23-2004, 08:43 AM
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Wuhl heck! If\'n it\'s good enuff fer them big
ol\' fishbellies, it\'s dang-sure good enuff fer me!
I may have to use some of my beer money stash to get me
some of them \'gredients.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Sacrilege!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
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