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telecontact
10-07-2003, 03:22 PM
I read
about 5-HTP & Glutamic Acid in the other forum. Thought it was very interesting. However, the guys on the
thread were so caught up in impressing each other with irrelevant pompous rhetoric that they absolutely bypassed my
question.
Where do u buy this 5-HTP stuff? How much does it cost? Any side effects? Doesnt the body stop
producing it\'s own chemicals if it detects changes due to ingestion of these products?
Anyone know? Thanx.
You can do a
Google, * Serotonin 5-HTP *, and get all your questions answered there or you can PM me. As to the other Thread;
lots of Testosterone oozing about over there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Ash
Jones
10-07-2003, 10:33 PM
Buy a diet
pill with red pepper cayenne extract. Rich in 5HTP. It may also have caffeine.
Whitehall
10-08-2003, 07:31 AM
Here\'s a good
place:
http://www.iherb.com/tryptophan.html (\"http://www.iherb.com/tryptophan.html\")
It can make
you sleepy so some people use it for going to sleep. It can also speed up your digestive track a
little.
Generally, it smooths your mood out, making you mellow - relatively. It can also delay ejaculation if
coming too fast is a problem.
Don\'t take if your doctor has you on MAO inhibitors.
telecontact
10-08-2003, 01:34 PM
Thanks guys. VERY interesting. Will try it. My only fear is playing with the body\'s natural serotonin
poduction/secretion.
I found a page that links MDMA (xtasy) & 5HTP. However, it stated that while Xtasy
depletes u of serotonin, 5HTP (serotonin serotonin precursor) replenishes serotonin stores faster.
Comments on
those of u who have tried it?
Thanks again.
For some
reason, for some people, Serotonin levels become depleted. Like any other neurotransmitter, hormone, etc. our bodies
are constantly manufacturing Serotonin; or trying to. Stress, poor diet or poor digestion are some of the many
reasons we run low on these vital substances our bodies need to function normally and properly. Serotonin is one of
the most important substances our bodies make that regulate our mood. If levels of S drop too low all kinds of
behavior problems will begin to develop. From short temper, anger and road rage all the way to hair pulling,
cutting and suicidal depression. The drug Co\'s have known about Serotonin for years. Serotonin is the second S in
SSRI drugs. SSRI\'s form the majority of \"Mood drugs\" or antidepressant/behavior drugs being pimped world wide
but SSRI drugs don\'t add S to our bodies. They just reallocate already depleted levels of S by robing S from
other body organs. As a result, people using SSRI drugs are left with only temporary changes in their behavior and
lots of side effects.
There are some substances that you do need to worry about adding to your system. Adding
pro-hormones such as Testosterone tends to shut down the bodies natural hormone production. That\'s why
bodybuilders \"cycle\", but
our bodies easily convert 5-HTP into Serotonin with no fear of diminishing the bodies
ability to convert food into Tryptophane then to 5-HTP and then to Serotonin. The bodies inability to do the
conversion in the first place seems to be the cause of the problem. Poor diet and poor digestion. If you\'re
having problems with mood then give 5-HTP a try with no fear of ruining your bodies ability to make 5-HTP on its own
but take a good look at your diet too. Are you eating proper healthy foods? Is your digestive system working
properly? Consider adding probiotic(flora) and enzymes to your diet. It made all the difference in the world for me!
Drugs and alcohol tend not to prohibit the production of Serotonin, rather they tend to burn out and/or block
Serotonin and neurotransmitter receptor sites in general. MDMA is particularly bad in this regard as it totally
fries receptor sites.
Hope that helps and if anyone wants to comment on my comments please start a Thread in
Health and I\'ll be happy to respond!
Ash
Whitehall
10-08-2003, 09:58 PM
Supposedly, 5-HTP will help smooth out the end of a E trip or maybe LSD. Never tried it.
Sagacious1420
10-10-2003, 02:33 AM
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Supposedly, 5-HTP will help smooth out the end of a
E trip or maybe LSD. Never tried it.
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Never tried which?
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Sagacious1420
10-11-2003, 08:43 PM
Tried 100 mg of 5 HTP today...feel like I\'ve got a Turkey buzz.
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I\'ll let you know what, if any, the extended effects are
once I\'ve used it for a while. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thanks for the heads up about
this stuff. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Sag. Take it
at night before you go to bed (to sleep). S is what gives us guys that wonderful expression of our manhood know as
the morning Pee-Hardon . Adding the 5-HTP to your system will make your dick look like a little baseball bat.
You\'ll be calling him your \"Little Louisville Slugger\".
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Ash
MadMaxx
12-21-2003, 08:45 PM
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Tried 100 mg of 5 HTP today...feel like I\'ve got
a Turkey buzz. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Not quite on the verge of a nap, though...at
least, not so far. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I\'ll let you know what, if any, the
extended effects are once I\'ve used it for a while. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thanks
for the heads up about this stuff. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Hi everyone, I would like to revive this thread, since I recently started using 5-HTP. I would
like to hear from some of you who \"promised\" to fill us in after you tried it for a while. I have been using 150
mg a day for about 3 weeks now.
First of all, I don\'t seem to get any kind of sleepiness that some of you
mention.
Second, someone mentioned that it may speed up the digestive tract. I have noticed a couple of
interesting things here. I consider my digestion and elimination to be \"normal\", and for as long as I can
remember I have been a very regular once a day person. Overnight, I have suddenly become a 2-3 times a day person. I
am also losing some weight, and have slightly reduced appetite. I don\'t have these feelings like I am \"totally
starving\", as lunch time or dinner time approach.
Having said all that, I do workout and dance intensely for
several hours a week, but I was doing those things before starting HTP and my metabolism and appetite did not seem
to be affected too much by those activities alone.
One more thing, I am using a grapefruit enzyme product, which
is supposed to slow down/stop conversion of carbs to fat, or something like that, so I suppose there is a chance
that this is doing something to my body.
Finally, in terms of mood. I am certainly not bouncing off the walls and
super gleeful like some people I have seen who are on anti-depressants, but I think that I am definitely mellower,
and far, far less likely to feel \"anger\", which is one of the main reasons that I decided to try the HTP.
Whitehall
12-21-2003, 08:55 PM
If
I\'m feeling irriatible or grumpy (not often) I\'ll reach for some 5-HTP. \"Smoothes things out\" is a good
discription of the mood effects.
90% of S is in you gut where it plays a critical role in controlling
digestion.
There is a possible crisis for too much S called \"serotoin syndrome\" that you should be aware of
it. Low level effects include jumpy legs. Google it before you start playing with anything in addition to
5HTP.
And, no, I\'ve never specifically tried the combination of 5HTP post-LSD or X trip.
Sagacious1420
12-21-2003, 10:23 PM
MadMaxx-
Thanks for the reminder. The drowsy effect was rather short term for me. I haven\'t been taking it
lately and, when I was, I didn\'t really notice any consistant mood effects. I was taking 100 mg/dose, but not
every day. My use was rather inconsistant.
Sagacious1420
12-21-2003, 10:24 PM
MadMaxx-
Thanks for the reminder. The drowsy effect was rather short term for me. I haven\'t been taking it
lately and, when I was, I didn\'t really notice any consistant mood effects. I was taking 100 mg/dose, but not
every day. My use was rather inconsistant as were my results.
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Here\'s a good
place:
http://www.iherb.com/tryptophan.html (\"http://www.iherb.com/tryptophan.html\")
It can make
you sleepy so some people use it for going to sleep. It can also speed up your digestive track a
little.
Generally, it smooths your mood out, making you mellow - relatively. It can also delay ejaculation if
coming too fast is a problem.
Don\'t take if your doctor has you on MAO inhibitors.
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IHerb is GREAT! Great prices, fast service. AND, about two miles from my
place.
Bruce
12-23-2003, 02:25 PM
5 htp is
pretty pricey stuff. Vitaminshoppe.com has good prices on there house brand. I only take it if I am stressed out
and even then only around bedtime. I take St. John\'s Wort on a regular basis ocassionally with lithium orrotate
which you can get without a prescription from VRP.com. Those supplements, plenty of time at the gym, and smart
drugs keep me quite balenced and happy. ZMA helps me get a good nights sleep, but if I happen to wake up in the
middle of the night I will often take 3mg of melotonin.
There is a good book on this subject called Dealing with
Depression Naturally. Check it out.
B
MadMaxx
12-24-2003, 04:35 AM
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5 htp is pretty pricey stuff. Vitaminshoppe.com
has good prices on there house brand. I only take it if I am stressed out and even then only around bedtime. I
take St. John\'s Wort on a regular basis ocassionally with lithium orrotate which you can get without a
prescription from VRP.com. Those supplements, plenty of time at the gym, and smart drugs keep me quite balenced and
happy. ZMA helps me get a good nights sleep, but if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night I will often
take 3mg of melotonin.
There is a good book on this subject called Dealing with Depression Naturally. Check it
out.
B
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I don\'t find HTP pricey. Maybe I have a better
supplier than you? Or maybe I have a different idea of \"pricey\". At 150 mg a day, I have a 50 days supply for
$20. Why does ZMA help sleep? I plan to try it, but for now I have a big supply of zinc, so I just use 50 mg of zinc
per day. Finally, I use Melatonin sometimes but have went down to 1 mg. Even 1mg blows me away. If I use 1 mg for a
couple nights in a row I am walking around semi-comatose!
belgareth
12-24-2003, 04:40 AM
I\'ve been buying from this site.
http://store.yahoo.com/americasvitaminstore/in
dex.html (\"http://store.yahoo.com/americasvitaminstore/index.html\")
They have the best prices I\'ve found.
MadMaxx
12-24-2003, 06:05 AM
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I\'ve been buying from this site.
http://store.yahoo.com/americasvitaminstore/in
dex.html (\"http://store.yahoo.com/americasvitaminstore/index.html\")
They have the best prices I\'ve found.
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Not
bad, but if do a calculation on what you are paying per mg, you will see that my price is definitely better.
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belgareth
12-24-2003, 06:21 AM
I\'m not using 5 HTP. Inositol, Arginine and DMAE only. Their prices on those two are hard to beat. I tried ZMA
but it took too much of the edge off and increased my need for sleep by a couple hours per day.
MadMaxx
12-24-2003, 06:41 AM
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I\'m not using 5 HTP. Inositol, Arginine and DMAE
only. Their prices on those two are hard to beat. I tried ZMA but it took too much of the edge off and increased my
need for sleep by a couple hours per day.
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Okay, what is the
\"purpose\" of those 3 things you are using?
Also, please clarify, \"took too much edge off\". Edge of what?
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MadMaxx
12-24-2003, 06:47 AM
As an
update, I will let everyone know that after 2-3 weeks of 150 mg of HTP a day, I am going off of it for a bit. WHY?
I\'m starting to feel like if I mellow out any more I\'ll slip into a coma or something. There\'s no doubt
this stuff \"works\" for me. It\'s nice when you can detect that something \"works\". I\'m probably
overloaded on seratonin; only need one meal a day an can hardly do my dancing this week because my brain/memory
seems at bit....hazy....dull....don\'t know the word for it, but something is affecting my dancing which takes
clear, alert, mind power.
belgareth
12-24-2003, 07:40 AM
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I\'m not using 5 HTP. Inositol, Arginine and DMAE only. Their prices on
those two are hard to beat. I tried ZMA but it took too much of the edge off and increased my need for sleep by a
couple hours per day.
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Okay, what is the \"purpose\" of
those 3 things you are using?
Also, please clarify, \"took too much edge off\". Edge of what?
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Inositol
inreases serotonin levels and helps clear the liver of fatty deposits. DMAE is considered to be a smart drug in that
it seems to increase brain activity. In general, with the two I concentrate better and my need for sleep is reduced.
My attitude also seems better, I laugh more often and just seem happier and more outgoing to those around
me.
L-Arginine increases the Nitrogen in the blood thereby increasing blood flow. It\'s good for the heart
and circulatory system. It also seems to have a positive effect on sexual stamina.
ZMA made me less alert and
somewhat groggy during the day. I missed things I should have understood due to what I percieved as a lack of focus.
My normal sleep habit is around 5 hours a night, with ZMA it increased to 7-8 and I still felt like I was not
getting enough rest. The effect may have worn off in time but it was an unpleasant experience for me.
Whitehall
12-24-2003, 08:28 AM
I suspect that the
sleepiness or drowsiness you\'re getting from ZMA is from the magnesium (the \"M\" in ZMA.)
Magnesium salts
have a reputation for causing drowsiness. I haven\'t seen the same effect personally but it is credible.
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I\'m not
using 5 HTP. Inositol, Arginine and DMAE only. Their prices on those two are hard to beat. I tried ZMA but it took
too much of the edge off and increased my need for sleep by a couple hours per day.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
Okay, what is the \"purpose\" of those 3 things you are using?
Also, please clarify,
\"took too much edge off\". Edge of what? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Inositol inreases serotonin levels and helps clear the liver of fatty
deposits. DMAE is considered to be a smart drug in that it seems to increase brain activity. In general, with the
two I concentrate better and my need for sleep is reduced. My attitude also seems better, I laugh more often and
just seem happier and more outgoing to those around me.
L-Arginine increases the Nitrogen in the blood thereby
increasing blood flow. It\'s good for the heart and circulatory system. It also seems to have a positive effect on
sexual stamina.
ZMA made me less alert and somewhat groggy during the day. I missed things I should have
understood due to what I percieved as a lack of focus. My normal sleep habit is around 5 hours a night, with ZMA it
increased to 7-8 and I still felt like I was not getting enough rest. The effect may have worn off in time but it
was an unpleasant experience for me.
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DMAE makes me happy and
mellow.
belgareth
12-24-2003, 08:57 AM
Whitehall,
Whatever the reason, the ZMA was intolerable. That 3 hours when the rest of my world is sleeping is
my favorite time to think, read or even do something productive. There is no finer time to be out walking than the
early morning hours before the sun comes up. One of my favorite places to be is a small knoll near my home when the
sun rises. If I sleep the hours ZMA caused me to sleep, I would lose that experience.
Kari,
DMAE does good
things for me. I am normally somewhat introverted and it helps me come out of my shell a bit. My sense of humor has
an outrageous side to it and the DMAE helps me share it with others. It has caused a few people to question my
sanity recently but that\'s ok too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Whitehall,
Whatever the reason, the ZMA was
intolerable. That 3 hours when the rest of my world is sleeping is my favorite time to think, read or even do
something productive. There is no finer time to be out walking than the early morning hours before the sun comes up.
One of my favorite places to be is a small knoll near my home when the sun rises. If I sleep the hours ZMA caused me
to sleep, I would lose that experience.
Kari,
DMAE does good things for me. I am normally somewhat introverted
and it helps me come out of my shell a bit. My sense of humor has an outrageous side to it and the DMAE helps me
share it with others. It has caused a few people to question my sanity recently but that\'s ok too.
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Whitehall
12-24-2003, 01:27 PM
Well, you get to
chose your life. I concur about morning walks.
Personally, DMAE gets me intolerably jittery while ZMA makes for
a pleasant night sleep of normal hours and a great morning woody.
Freedom is naming your own poison.
druid
12-24-2003, 07:46 PM
Damn Bel 5 hours a
night? I get the worst tension headaches. I need somewhere between 8-10. Even before I took ZMA.
belgareth
12-25-2003, 02:08 AM
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Damn Bel 5 hours a night? I get the worst tension
headaches. I need somewhere between 8-10. Even before I took ZMA.
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It started when I was a teenager and really made me crazy for a while. If I try to force myself
to sleep more than that I just get frustrated. After this many years I am used to it and like having that few hours
each day when nobody else is around. It\'s 4 AM now and I am about slept out. In a few minutes I am going to go
start a batch of cinnimin rolls so when everybody else wakes up they\'ll be ready.
Merry Christmas!
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