Lesbian Wedding advice needed please.

[Ash]

This Saturday I will be attending the wedding of two very nice young women. I am a straight male and will probably be one of the only straight people there. I do love an adventure. I was the only male at their house last Thanksgiving for dinner and was amazed at how hostile everyone was to me. The two young women getting married and I get along great but their friends were IN MY FACE the whole time. One insulting comment after another but I was COOL, I let the insults slide right past and enjoyed myself the best I could. I was not using mones at the time. I\'m actually looking forward to this event as I\'m thinking it could be lots of fun if I have the right mone combo on. Here is my inventory:

WAGG
SOE
PI
PPA
AE
NPA/w
NPA/m

Had I known a little more about mones when I placed my order I would not have gone so heavy on the none as I\'m more of the CE, Lone Wolf kinda guy. I think my natural mone scent is heavy to the none side and this has caused problems for me through out my life. I\'m 52, bright, articulate, well educated, witty, good looking, etc., etc., and naturally I\'m not looking to get sexed at or after the wedding. I just want to have a good time. I would not be adverse to the idea of shorting out some Lesbian circuitry though. What are your thoughts? The more diabolical the better! The wedding is at 5:00 this Saturday afternoon so I\'ll be dosing up around 4:00 and it could be a long night as there is a dinner and dancing following the wedding (Union Ceremony).
Thanks!
Ash

[Elana]

You don\'t need mones for the wedding, those women need to learn some manners. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

WAGG would probably be your best bet /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CJ01]

I agree, these women have no manners or really bad PMS.
Well from personal experiences cpoulins work very well. I know I´m a woman and stuff but not all women are nice to all other women. Copulins can help to make bitchy women friendlier. So that´s my tip. Try Wagg and cops or SOE and cops.
CJ

[Holmes]

But definitely not WAGG annnd SOE! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Holmes

[oscar]

Ash,

You probably can\'t go too far wrong wearing WAGG. It doesn\'t really seem to send out much of a \"male pig\" signal, so it shouldn\'t really rub the lesbians in attendance the wrong way. Frenchie has attested to its effectiveness as a lesbian attractant, but then that\'s when it was worn by a woman, so play it safe and don\'t lay it on too heavily.

As for \"short circuiting\" via mones, I think the product most likely to give you interesting results along these lines would be the NPA/w. But again, go easy on it. There\'s no telling what effect it may have given your target audience.

I wouldn\'t preclude the possibility that there MAY be some heterosexual women at the wedding though, so it might be a good idea to have a light to middle-weight A-None product up your sleeve just in case. For this I would carry a bit of PPA/m or (preferably) AE. Having your SOE with you might be a good idea as well. Try applying stuff to your wrists and forearms, that way in the event you seem to be getting bad reactions, you can hit the restroom and wash most of it off.

I\'d leave the PI and NPA/m off and at home for this particular occasion. Judging by what you said about yourself, they would probably be a bit much for this affair.

Good Luck! Have Fun! I hope you catch the garter, or the bouquet, or whatever they may be tossing your way. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[oscar]

Elana and CJ,

I hadn\'t addressed the behavior of the couple\'s friends in my post above, but I\'m glad to see you ladies did.

Isn\'t it ironic how often groups (and I\'m not only talking about lesbians or gays here) who cry out for Tolerance when they are in the minority, show little or none themselves when they are in the majority.
A sad facet of human nature, I suppose.

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[druid]

i say put on some wagg. and if they give you any sh-t tell them in a polite yet firm matter-of-factly way that you won\'t tolerate it.

[CJ01]

yeah that´s true. I can´t quiete understand why those women were so hostile but some people are just like that by nature.

I wouldn´t worry too much about the hetero women at that wedding because even without -none things should be fun.

I don´t get why guys (or girls) always seem to try and get themselves hooked up at such occasions. A lot of times they come across are pretty desparate /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Much better to get really pissed and have a good laugh. If there is someone there you can always meet up again can´t you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[frenchie]

my suggestion is WAGG, maybe on its own. It shouldn\'t do any wrong.

As to these women\'s manners... a lot of lesbians are quite aggressive towards men - as well as some gay guys really don\'t care at all about women. I don\'t understand this behavior but anyway... it\'s true, they should learn some manners and at least forget their aggressivity on a Thanksgiving day. We\'re all human beings. But this is something you must take into consideration when you\'re with lesbians, or gays, or any other minority : the social codes are not the same.

Anyway, being straight and invited to a lesbian wedding is great !

[CJ01]

Another thought: Isn´t it `normal´ to be stressed out and permanently pisse off on thanksgiving in the USA? I mean according to most movies this is almost `compulsary´ isn´t it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[CJ01]

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Anyway, being straight and invited to a lesbian wedding is great !



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I agree I mean it must be a good sign and these `friends´should respect that and show some consideration right?

What about hetero women frenchie?

[darkness]

they don\'t celebrate that in europe, huh?

There is stress around it, but most people are fairly hppy. They don\'t have to go into work, watch football, get fat, kids have no school.

[darkness]

what do lesbians think of bi-curious women? resentment or let\'s convert them?

[CJ01]

gays don´t like bi people. Yeah, yeah, talk about tolerance, ey?

[darkness]

they feel like it is trivializing what it is to like the same sex? they feel like those people don\'t really know what the experience of \"truly\" be attracted to the same sex, and also the judgment and diffulties that go along with that???

[CJ01]

Apparently they reckon bi people just want the best of both worlds and that they´re never serious and so on.
However bisexuality is completely normal.

I dunno mate. If it´s okay to be gay it should be fine to be bi too, where´s the big deal? Hardly any relationship lasts happily forever anyhow.

[druid]

bisexual women are A-OK in my book. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CJ01]

yes, but you´re not a jealous dyke who´s got problems with men /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[EXIT63]

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Another thought: Isn´t it `normal´ to be stressed out and permanently pisse off on thanksgiving in the USA? I mean according to most movies this is almost `compulsary´ isn´t it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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You\'ve been watching too many movies. Thanksgiving is a time to eat like a pig and drink like a fish...and be thankful that we can. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[frenchie]

Ash : if your friends have invited you, it\' a sign they\'re confident and they want to share something important with you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Take it easy if other women don\'t have the same point of you - if they have nothing to say, just stay apart. But if they get to know you better (and the reverse), things could change, he ?

CJ : bisexuality is \"normal\", I agree with you. The only point is that it\'s a bit more complicated for everyday life... I have a friend who seems to be gay, after a difficult period where he collected one-night or one-week stands with guys or girls indifferently. Everyone loves him ! But he was fed up with this life, changing boy/girl-friend every other day without really knowing where to go. Now he has a boyfriend.

I think it\'s a question of person : if you meet someone you love, that someone may be a man or a woman. Nobody should get you into trouble with that.

[Icarus]

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so it shouldn\'t really rub the lesbians in attendance the wrong way.

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Awesome.

Sorry if my contribution is of no use.

Steve

[xvs]

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Another thought: Isn´t it `normal´ to be stressed out and permanently pisse off on thanksgiving in the USA? I mean according to most movies this is almost `compulsary´ isn´t it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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This is hilarious!

Actually, turkey meat makes you sleepy, so they say (the high tryptophan content...).

[Sagacious1420]

Frenchie-

Well said! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[CJ01]

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I think it\'s a question of person : if you meet someone you love, that someone may be a man or a woman. Nobody should get you into trouble with that.


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frenchie that´s exactly what I´ve been saying for ages (hence my bi thingy ages ago /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif )
But some gay people don´t seem to like this idea still, but I can´t help them on that one, man

CJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Ash]

Thanks one and all for the input. I decided to go with WAGG and Cops. I can do the WAGG on my cover shirt for the afternoon event and see how things go. When the cool night air comes down on us I\'ll change to a Sweater and add some SOE and maybe some NPA/w.

As to the Lesbian debate, I can\'t help but feel that they ( the women that were in my face) really did have some serious issues with men as a group. Who knows what is really happening but from what I can put together there are women that are born that way and women that get wired that way from sexual and or physical abuse. I think that all the women I met on Thanksgiving fall into the abuse camp. The Girls that are to wed are both very tender hearted people but you can tell that they are also very wounded souls. It\'s also very obvious their relationship is about companionship and not so much about sex as is the case with many true Lesbian relationships. The Bi -Girls I know and have known are a whole different thing altogether. They may have issues and maybe they don\'t but they sure are lots of fun in every respect!

Ya know, \"It ain\'t easy being green!\"

Thanks again!
Ash

[CJ01]

Wel I hope you all have a good time at the wedding.

YOu know those type of women like the ones that were `in your face´ also have problems with straight women. As in: Why on earth do you bother with those hairy pigs´ . And whilst that is a good question in somecases... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
But they´re also in the habit of trying to convert the rest of us. - No thank you! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Do you really think that you´re friends would bother getting married if they didn´t also have great sex together? I mean marriage is a pretty big step to take for anyone.
CJ

[Ash]

I hear what you\'re saying CJ and I\'m not saying sex is not part of the relationship. My understanding is that with true Lesbian couples sex isn\'t that big a part of the relationship especially compared to Gay men who, for the most part, have very compulsive sexual behavior and relationships. The gay men I knew when I was living in SF would go out and \"trick\" with up to 15 men a night and steady relationships with them would be very sexually oriented. You don\'t see this kind of behavior in the Lesbian community. Lesbian relationships tend more toward old married straight couples. You know, once a month but only if they remembered to refill the Viagra Rx. HAHA. The Bi-Girls I know just want to have fun. I really love Bi-Girls.

[CJ01]

That´s not what I´ve noticed about lesbians! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I´ve noticed what you´ve described about gay men though ( dirty buggers) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif but also the opposite ie some prefer a normal type of relationship.

I reckon that when it comes down to it that gay people are just like straight ones and the same goes for the various type of relationships they prefer. You know, some sleep around, some don´t, some are picky others aren´t. What do you think?
CJ

[frenchie]

\"Lesbian relationships tend more toward old married straight couples\"
yep, it\'s true for many of us. But many girls are like butterflies and change gf every other day, especially in big towns where they can meet many people. It\'s the same for gays guys, who are a lot more sensible than one may think... I mean they\'re not all those beasts who spend every day and night f#cking.
It\'s the same for heteros. Some old straight couples are really traditional, boring, and close minded - hidden behind traditions like marriage, family, family in law, ... Maybe the difference is that we gays don\'t want this kind of life and routine... so we make things different. In this way, the bi are fun, but I\'m not sure they\'re happier as they have to choose every time they meet someone : guy, girl, yes ? no ?...

But why try to put things into categories ? I have a gf, I\'m starting to fall in love, we have sex, we talk, we do some cooking together, we just walk on the street hand in hand. Just like everyone else, eh ?

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[CJ01]

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In this way, the bi are fun, but I\'m not sure they\'re happier as they have to choose every time they meet someone : guy, girl, yes ? no ?...


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God I´d love that /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

CJ

[Sagacious1420]

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The Bi-Girls I know just want to have fun. I really love Bi-Girls.

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Ooooooohhhhhhh yeeeeeaaaaaahhhh! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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In this way, the bi are fun, but I\'m not sure they\'re happier as they have to choose every time they meet someone : guy, girl, yes ? no ?...

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Why be forced to choose? Can\'t we all just get it on!?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



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God I´d love that

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I sure you would, CJ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CJ01]

Yeah, If in doubt - take both /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Elana]

No doubts for Elana. I\'ll take the men. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Mtnjim]

\"In this way, the bi are fun, but I\'m not sure they\'re happier as they have to choose every time they meet someone : guy, girl, yes ? no ?...\"

Twice the chance for a date on Sat. night!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[CJ01]

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No doubts for Elana. I\'ll take the men.


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[Elana]

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those who say NO to a threesome

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I would destroy a man without the help of another female in the picture. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I am more than any man can handle.

[Holmes]

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-those who say NO to a threesome /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Oh, c\'mon! \"We dont just say no, we\'re too busy sayin\' HELLLL YEEEA!\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Holmes

[Elana]

yes Holmes, and then you would spend the entire night explaining to these two frustrated women, that it has really never happened before....you just need a rest and maybe some viagra. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Xehupatl]

\"And I keep telling you, I need Wagner\'s \'Ride of the Valkyres\' playing in the background to be able to do this!!\"

[Holmes]

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yes Holmes, and then you would spend the entire night explaining to these two frustrated women, that it has really never happened before....you just need a rest and maybe some viagra. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



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Holmes

[Ash]

UPDATE on the Wedding!

The Bride wore white. The other bride wore a very nice Turquoise green and black Chinese robe. They were a very lovely couple.

I decided to use SOE and Cops covered with Comptoir Sud Pacifique \"Vanilla and Amber\". I smelled Yummy! And I looked pretty good too, dressed in a nice pair of Zanella slacks and open cover shirt over my WallMart T shirt. I was treated with respect and kindness by all and conversations were easy! As much as the focus here on the Forum is about other peoples reactions to *us*, I find as big a change in my own behavior. I find myself starting conversations and introducing myself to strangers. This has not been Ash\'s MO at all in the past. I like these mones a lot!!!

No real hits to report which was a blessing! Waayyy toooo much very short hair at this event but I did get one, what I call \"short circuit\" (which is a hit of sorts) from the only attractive woman there. One of the caterers, a blonde, maybe 19 yrs., shorted out whenever she was near me. I\'ve had this happen to me before with girls her age. It\'s not a DIHL hit as I associate DIHL\'s with a momentary loss of coherent thought. The \"short circuit\" is more like a disconnect, as if all her senses were attracted to my signature but once I\'ve been identified as the source of the attraction a moment of confusion occurs. As if she is wondering how she could get \"that feeling\" about a guy her Dads age. The short circuit is more like a moment of head shaking bewilderment. Like, \"where did that come from?\", as opposed to the stunned zombie \"what was I just doing\" DIHL hit.

All and all a very interesting evening with one last thing to report. It was and outdoor event and just as the Bride and Bride began walking down the isle a Seagull flew over and made a HUGE deposit on about 20 or so people. It was a mess! Hell of a way to start the show.
Ash

Oh, CJ, I think you\'re right for the most part.

\"I reckon that when it comes down to it that gay people are just like straight ones and the same goes for the various type of relationships they prefer. You know, some sleep around, some don´t, some are picky others aren´t. What do you think?
CJ\"

[Elana]

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It was and outdoor event and just as the Bride and Bride began walking down the isle a Seagull flew over and made a HUGE deposit on about 20 or so people. It was a mess!

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> That\'s what they get for being rude to you during the other event. KARMA BABY!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[oscar]

Ash,

You say you went with the \"SOE and Cops\". You\'ve got me confused here, because unless the PI or PPA you listed in your first post are \"/w\" versions, nothing you listed contains Copulins.
What \"Cops\" are we talkin\' about here?

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CJ01]

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It was and outdoor event and just as the Bride and Bride began walking down the isle a Seagull flew over and made a HUGE deposit on about 20 or so people. It was a mess!


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That\'s what they get for being rude to you during the other event. KARMA BABY!!!!

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif yeah !!!

I´m glad you had a good time. What do you mean though that there was only one attractive woman at the whole do?

BTW a lot of young women are totally into older men. I should know I was one of them /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

CJ

[Ash]

Oscar, sorry for the confusion! It is PPA/w.

CJ. I live on a small Island near Seattle Washington, USA.. It\'s really sad as you travel around the Island. There are no 10\'s or 9\'s or 8\'s or 7\'s or even 6\'s. Everything is 5 and below! I kid you not!!! I love living here. It\'s such a beautiful place but MAN, what a wasteland when it comes to women. Even the mainland just off the Island is deprived of beauties. I\'m sure they\'re around somewhere but I have yet to see any of them. I\'ve gone into Seattle many times as it is the BIG city in the area and even Seattle sucks when it comes to women. I am very spoiled in this regard but I didn\'t realize it until I moved here. I\'m from a medium sized city on the other side of the State where 8\'s and 10\'s abound. All my ex\'s have been DDG\'s (Drop Dead Gorgeous). I\'m dying here! I\'m watching my life drain away before my eyes. Very few people seem to care about the way they look in this area. Lots of large people and with the absence of lots of sunshine in the winter months everyone has an ashen gray, unhealthy look to them. In all fairness to the women in the area, the men don\'t look all that good either nor are they great catches as most are in the building trades and therefore at or near the bottom of the food chain. I can say that because I\'m in the trades as well. As to the wedding event itself. What can I say? The young caterer was it and she would only have pulled a 6 anywhere else but here. It really sucks!!!

I have a plan though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Ash

[darkness]

it is crazy how every city is so different in those regards....

what is your plan?

[Holmes]

Hey Ash,

Vashon Island, per chance?

Holmes

[Holmes]

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Seattle sucks when it comes to women.

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Really? Hmm. Tell this to my bro, so he won\'t feel alone in his perceptions... : /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Holmes

[Ash]

The former Soviet Union is my plan! HAHA...Yeah, I know it\'s crazy but this is my situation. The Island and the surrounding area suck women wise as mentioned above but I like it here and I\'m stuck here as I own property and have built my business up over the years. Realizing that things weren\'t going to change for the better I went online looking at lots of dating services thinking I\'d persuade some nice goodlooking women to move to the Island. I started looking 50 miles out, then 100 miles. My search circle kept expanding looking for someone that I was even remotely attracted to. Finally, half a world away, I found pay-dirt. It\'s been a real adventure so far. Scammers, con artists, men posing as women, Visa Whores, you name it. It\'s a mine field to say the least but for those willing and able to wade through the maze the percentage of finding a very special women is quite high. I have been at it for just about one full year and getting past the con artists is rather easy now. I have had correspondence with quite a few wonderful women who long for a better life and a chance to find a decent husband as alcohol, drugs and needle driven STD\'s are moving through the male population like a plague. There are many who refer to men like me looking for a Mail Order Bride as loosers. I\'m OK with that. Below is a letter I recently received from Vika. She is 5\'6\" @106 lbs. She is a doll. I will visit her in the not too distant future and there is a chance that she or someone very much like her will become my wife. I like the idea of being this kind of looser. I\'m not sure if I will be wearing mones when we first meet. I\'ll decide on that later.


Hello Ash!
My name is Vika (Viktoria)- victory. I’m shapely, delicate, subtle, intelligent lady.
Go in for sports (swimming and exercises), I like to listen to different music, dance and sing; I’m pretty good in painting. In childhood visited the following study groups: dancing, chorus.
I have abilities for studying languages. I like animals, and I have pets: a dog, 2 parrots and a great number of aquarium fishes. I like to grow indoor plants. Like to cook appetizing and delicious domestic dishes.
I like to communicate with people, make the new acquaintances.
I rate highly friendship, honesty and openness between people. I never betray people.
I’m easy going, active, and optimist, with sense of humor. I have charming smile and infectious laughter.
Inside me accumulated huge quantity of warmth, caress and tenderness, which I’ll present to my future beloved person. I’ll bathe Him in my amazing Love. And I’ll do everything for Him to be happy only with me and not with other woman in this world! I’ll never hurt him and won’t betray.
I want to present to my beloved one or two children. I dream about my son would be as his father but daughter as me. We would live happy and friendly life. And we would endeavor to avoid conflicts, unnecessary fuss, misunderstanding and disagreement. We would love help and take care of each other. And never would allow to anybody to break our family nest and would live happy life.
With warmest regards,
Viktoria.

For now Viktoria is my plan! HAHA, wish me luck!

Ash

[EXIT63]

Come on Ash...be a little more discreet. I\'m gonna tell her you posted her letter on an internet BB and she\'s gonna drop you like a rock!

But seriously....Good Luck...(I know how hot they are). The trick is to find a sweet one.

Do you ever visit planet love dot com?

[CJ01]

The women probably feel the same way about the men /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I guess when nobody else makes an effort to look good then why bother doing it yourself right?

Where I live there´s some reasonable guys but they tend to wankers most of the time. I´m in a place that´s full of yuppies who are full of themselves which really sucks too. Eventually I´m gonna leave but for now I´m stuck here.