Woman's Aphrodisiacs?

[Whitehall]

Ladies,

Have any of you tried the various pills, lotions, and concoctions on the market that are sold to enhance female libido and/or orgasm?

Some creams are applied directly to the clitoris, other products are pills that claim to be \"herbal Viagra for women\", etc.

I\'d appreciate your feedback and have a few ideas to offer.

[DaVinciKittie]

I haven\'t really played around with aphrodisiacs, but I\'d be interested to hear what you have to say about them (for women, of course)...

[sophie]

I was intrigued by the new K-Y product \"warming gel\" but haven\'t tried it yet. I\'ll let you know /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif It was such a small investment I thought I\'d try it out for a lark. (that is such a strange expression as I write it, lark lark lark).

I like to watch \"Talk Sex with Sue\" (Canadian sex therapist) on Oxygen channel and there are plenty of commercials for such \"Viagra like products\" for women. Have often wondered if they\'re good or not. Now you\'ve got me thinking again. thanks, Joe!

[CJ01]

Ah Whitehall, I thought you are gonna give us some hints..? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

No I have not tried those things myself either. I do get regular spam mail though on this issue, but I´m not very keen to be honest.

First of all I am VERY choosy and careful about what ( or who) gets to touch my skin, let alone genitalia. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Plus, to me the best aphrodisiac is when I´m a) in love. b) I really have the hots for someone - lust , c) I´m just on the mood for some reason... Also I have a VERY, VERY, lively and vivid imagination... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ... and so on. In other words I don´t really use any external aids...

I know this doesn´t answer your question at all, I´m sorry.

CJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ( been sampling aussie wines this eve... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

[CJ01]

If you´re interested though one of the websites I know of for stimulants and other things is : www.thesedrugs.com (\"http://www.thesedrugs.com\")

[Skyy]

I\'m actually an aphrodisiac for women /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CJ01]

yeah course you are - any sexy, shaggable man is an aphrodisiac for us /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Having said that I´ve been an aphrodisiac to a few women to apparently...- compliment or what?!?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Whitehall]

I\'ll do a long post this weekend telling you all sorts of tricks to get more bang from your buck.

But I do expect feedback!

[CJ01]

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[DaVinciKittie]

CJ, that\'s *definitely* a compliment!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Whitehall]

\"Buck\" as in \"Buckeroo\" - although I don\'t see why they wouldn\'t work girl-on-girl.

[CJ01]

Okay, what´s `Buckeroo`?
remember I´m a euro girl /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

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Okay, what´s `Buckeroo`?
remember I´m a euro girl /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Your man. \"Buckeroo\" brings cowboys to mind for me... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[CJ01]

I love the look of a cowboy /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

Oh, ME TOO. God, they can be sexy! Nice straw cowboy hat, worn and faded jeans (with the top button undone), no shirt to show off the chiselled abs... *THAT* is the way to appreciate a cowboy! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[CJ01]

Yeah, I think I watched too many Western movies when I was a little girl /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif that kind of thing stays with you somehow /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

Well, I guess I\'m lucky I live in Texas. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif It\'s not such a stretch to find guys like that here. And am I EVER glad for that too! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[franki]

Are you a fan of the Dallas Cowboys? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Mtnjim]

Guess you didn\'t check out my picture on Hotornot.com!
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[DaVinciKittie]

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Are you a fan of the Dallas Cowboys? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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No sir. Can\'t stand football (the American kind). Too much posturing and \"I\'m more macho that you\" going on there. Plus, they just get paid WAY too much just to play a sport and it irritates me. I can watch Aggie football (although it hasn\'t really been worth watching the past couple of years), especially *AT* the games, b/c of the spirit and participation of the crowd, but that\'s it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

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Guess you didn\'t check out my picture on Hotornot.com!
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Lead the way, babe! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Whitehall]

OK, there are three, maybe four, different neural mechanisms involved in female sexual behavior and one can \"adjust\" each with different compounds.

The first is libido - the self-generated interest in and thinking about sex. This is largely moderated by steroids, probably a complicated interplay of estrogens and androgens. A woman taking androgens like testosterone or methyltestosterone will experience a big jump in her thoughts, interests, and fantasies about sex. She feels the need more.

Ginseng and the like are considered to stimulate steroid synthesis and conversion in the adrenal glands, largely increasing androstenedione production. DHEA is the raw material so many women will see increased libido from supplemental DHEA. One can skip right over to supplemental androstenedione (\"dione\") - you can take dione orally or, more effienctly sublingually. The most powerful way to take it, and with less side effects is insuffilation - snorting. It goes directly in the brain that way so minimizing somatic effects and maximizing speed and intensity. Its more sexually stimulating than coke and a penny\'s worth is a party for two. One small coke spoon in each nostril to start and maybe repeat after 30 minutes or so. don\'t try this more than once a week!

The next mechanism - excitation - later.

[Whitehall]

So once you locate your man and are poised to touch and play, another mechanism comes into play - actually two. One is excitement and the other is inhibition. Excitement builds on libido and is helped by being healthy and energetic. It\'s opposed, especially with females, by inhibitory mechanisms. We often try to reduce our inhibitions by ingesting ethyl alcohol - \"Rice is nice but liquor\'s quicker.\"

Excitement can also be helped along by stimulants like amphetamines, caffeine, ephedra, and guarana but dulled by depressants like opiates and TOO much alcohol.

Yohimbine also can help women but it works largely on the spinal cord nerves which control contractions and the vaginal muscles. (The clitoris is wired through separate nerves.) I\'d be interested in women\'s experience with yohimbine and yohimbe.

The local mechanics of arousal in the genitals have some simularities with male arousal. L-arginine, choline (DMAE) and vitamin B-5 seem to assist with engorgement and lubrication. The orgasm assistance creams and lotions are mostly based on the idea of forcing l-arginine through the mucus membranes into the clitoris and labia. There seems to be two methods common to doing so. One is using menthol as the \"penetration enhancer\" - this feels cool at first (I\'m told) but as the l-arginine gets into the tissues, they become warmer and engorged as the blood vessels open and hot blood rushes in. Another way is to use sodium chloride (table salt) its warm from the first but the salt can granulate within the cream and feel gritty so don\'t melt it.

Emerita makes something called \"Response Cream\" with menthol (a great company for woman\'s products, BTW) that works great and is of high quality. A patented salt product is \"Sensation\" or \"Arousal\" - liked this too but the lotion base is not as fine as Emerita.

Another product that I love is \"Dermal-XL\" by Dixie Health - a very pleasant base with DHEA, boron, and assorted herbs. The DHEA is converted quickly in the vaginal tissues into estrogens and androgens which \"energize\" the tissues there. This is one of my favorites although it doesn\'t have l-arginine.

Damiana is a Mexican herb that is the active ingredient in \"Whitehall\'s Wetter\'s Better\" cocktail. It has some central nervous system effects but mostly it works on the genitals, making them thermally hotter and more lubricious.

\"Orgasm\" next...

[Whitehall]

So what\'s going on with orgasm? What is it?

The French would call it petit mal - or little seizure. It is a coordinated nervous effort of your brain, your spinal cord and your local nerves.

One can prime the local nerves with the lotions mentioned in Part 2 - the l-arginine supplies the chemical messenger between the tissues and the nerves. It also plumps up your clitoris making the nerves more coupled to the friction and pressures of lovemaking.

Yohimbine works on your spine and can make the contractions of orgasm more energetic and hence more pleasurably overwhelming. You may have noticed that good sex is not just a local sensation but can be enhanced by the involvement of the large muscles of your back, thighs, and abdomen.

The real action takes place in the brain. Dopamine is the main neurotransmitter involved. One of the best drugs for unleasing a dopamine storm during seex is apomorphine. This stuff has recently been offered in Europe as a potency drug competing with Viagra. However, I\'ve been using it for 4 or 5 years and I\'ve found that women are the real benficiaries of the stuff (OK for guys too.) It releases that \"red mist\" of lust in the brain. In the States you can get a doctor to write a script for it at a compounding pharmacy and made to order.

Most dopamine drugs enhance sex. Just priming your nervous system with the precursor to dopamine will the levels - l-phenylanaline, one gram on an empty stomach can make a difference. Even better is to add deprenyl, 3 or 4 mg. This increases dopamine and other stimulatory neurotransmitters to good effect. I\'ve noticed that I get more emotional overall from taking it - that\'s both good and bad, in my case.

Androstenedione mentioned in Part 1 also aids orgasm by flooding the brain with estrogens and androgens which in turn help release dopamine at the right time. Every women I\'ve given this stuff to absolutely LOVES it.

next - love

[Whitehall]

So what\'s love? It\'s the response to oxytocin, a neuropeptide in the brain. It\'s released during orgasm, during stretching of the vagina (as in childbirth), and with nipple stimulation, amongst other actions. Its the bonding hormone - bounds a woman with her lover, her child, her pushup bra.

Oxytocin and endorphins work together to cause addiction to a person and their affection. One remembers and bonds with their pheromonal signature so that someone else won\'t substitute.

As someone said, \"You\'ll love the chump you sleep with.\"

Given our lifestyles these days, a big question is how do we mend a broken heart? How can we help get over someone to whom we\'ve developed and oxytocin addiction? I looked into this the last time my heart was broken - I was aghast at the physical changes that the withdrawal produced in me - lost weight, couldn\'t sleep, etc.....

I haven\'t had the opportunity to try this yet but the theory is sound - vasopressin. Oxytocin is balanced in the brain by another neuropeptide called vasopressin. It\'s been used as a smart drug since it helps in memory formation and, surprisingly, helps curb bedwetting. It induces \"reasoning\" over the emotions. Guys get a self-dose the morning after a night with a girl - they start thinking \"Don\'t let me get trapped!\"

Vasopressin is available in little spray bottles for about $30.

[franki]

Quite interesting Whitehall.

So, to sum things up, what things can a girl/woman take/apply to get in the mood and in what order? What is the most important?

[DaVinciKittie]

Wow, that\'s a lot of information! Thanks for taking the time to write that. How safe is supplemental androstenedione, specifically when snorted (side effects, etc), and where can you purchase it? Also, is it possible to get apomorphine without a prescription?

[Goddess]

Whitehall,

Sorry, can\'t help you out here - I am ALWAYS ready so have never needed an aphrodisiac, etc. My problem is finding a way to get the men in my life ready and raring to go...hence the need for -mones. I also never have any problems with orgasms, so never tried that stuff either. Sorry! But if you know of a way to make my man want me several times a day, BRING IT ON! (Remember, we\'ve been together for about 10 years) -Ginger

[DaVinciKittie]

God, I wish *my* libido was that active. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Lucky]

Damiana is the most potent thing I ever used...do keep in mind that I am oversexed to begin with. Damiana coupled with the mones makes me uncontrollable.

[Andy]

They should have called that plant Elaniana /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

[Elana]

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Damiana is the most potent thing I ever used...do keep in mind that I am oversexed to begin with. Damiana coupled with the mones makes me uncontrollable.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Same here....Damiana made into a tea made me way too dangerous for words. I am way too horny as it is to mess with my libido.

[Elana]

Andy...I swear I didn\'t even see your reply when I wrote mine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Andy]

Don\'t worry honey, it\'s not the first time we had the same things in mind ;P. Like Seadove said before, \"You two look the same and sound the same\" ;P

[Elana]

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\"You two look the same and sound the same\"

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Since when are you a blonde? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mtnjim]

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Guess you didn\'t check out my picture on Hotornot.com!
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Lead the way, babe! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=NZGZO8R&amp;key=ULS (\"http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=NZGZO8R&amp;key=ULS\")

[Whitehall]

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How safe is supplemental androstenedione, specifically when snorted (side effects, etc), and where can you purchase it? Also, is it possible to get apomorphine without a prescription?

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Androstenedione is pretty safe if used in moderation. A woman shouldn\'t use it more than once a week is my guess. Snorting it should reduce the side effects since the whole body dose is smaller that way (and the brain dose is higher.) It\'s been around for years - the baseball player who broke Babe Ruth\'s record,, Mark MacGwire used it before workouts. It doesn\'t burn much but does left an aftertaste in the back of the mouth - not too bad overall. A guy shouldn\'t take in on a continuous basis either since he\'ll see the effects of the estrogen conversion after a while.
The manufacturer (Pinnacle) has discontinued the androstenedione \"poppers\" (sublingual form) but you might be able to find some still on the shelf at bodybuilders\' stores. Otherwise, if you google \"androstenedione\" you\'ll find lots of forms and suppliers, including bulk powder which is used for snorting. Just saw a transdermal form too which would be fun for a lusty weekend.

Getting apomorphine is more difficult. It is available in Europe and over the net as \"Uprima\" but it\'s expensive and not too strong. I\'ve gotten cooperative doctors to write a script to compounding pharmacists who made it up in a custom formulation for me. Still, it cost about $4 a dose - but worth it. It has not been approved in the US as a manufactured pharmaceutical because a couple of percent of the test group (old geezers needing potency enhancers) got dizzy and/or fainted after use. I\'ve never noticed this. Apomorphine is used in higher doses to induce vomiting so nausea is a side effect for some people although I\'ve never noticed it.

[Whitehall]

Franki,

You asked for a summary recommendations:

If low libido is the problem, then androstenedione is the solution. Take it orally or transdermally for longer-term response; insuffilate for big time party.

If libido is OK but no orgasm, then a topical cream like Emerita\'s Response Cream is a good deal.

The ladies here speak highly of damiana as a libido enhancer - I haven\'t seen that much effect on libido personally but I believe them. It sure works to heat up the genitals and stimulate lubrication.


In any case, NEVER give anything to another person without their informed consent!

There are two other items that I haven\'t mentioned before.

One is a favorite \"In the Mood\" oral spray - lot\'s of chocolate flavor to cover a herbal mix that can be great fun:
http://www.thehealinglight.com/itm.htm (\"http://www.thehealinglight.com/itm.htm\")

Bromocryptine is a powerful pharmaceutical that affects the dopamine system - it makes for some strong tizzies but is not recommended.

There are other brands of topical lotions - Viacreme, Stimugel, etc. They all do about the same job but differ in base quality and price. The Emerita is the best deal I\'ve seen.

[CJ01]

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If libido is OK but no orgasm, then a topical cream like Emerita\'s Response Cream is a good deal.


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Hhmmm, if you just don´t get your well deserved big O, perhaps you´re sleeping with the wrong person ...?
CJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Whitehall]

Can\'t help you there, CJ. You\'ll just have to find the person that moves you. I can only share helpful hints on how to move it along once you got a buddy.

Actually, many of these tips will help just as well with masturbation.

[DaVinciKittie]

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Guess you didn\'t check out my picture on Hotornot.com!
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Lead the way, babe! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=NZGZO8R&amp;key=ULS (\"http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=NZGZO8R&amp;key=ULS\")

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You people who post your pics on Hotornot.com are OH so much braver than I! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Lookin good, Mtnjim. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

Thanks, Whitehall. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Mtnjim]

\"You people who post your pics on Hotornot.com are OH so much braver than I! Lookin good, Mtnjim.\"

Or really don\'t care what other people think. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Whitehall]

Ladies,

Feel free to send me a PM to discuss your experiences or ask questions rather than posting out in public.

Some of you are probably a bit more shy than others.

[CJ01]

I didn´t get that one Whitehall /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Whitehall]

Have any of you ladies tried Stamina Rx for Women (the pink pills)? Some of us have tried it for men (blue pills) and found it pretty effective. It works so well that the FDA invaded the manufacturer and put them out of business on criminal charges! Seems they were infringing on a patent by one of the big pharmaceutical companies for a drug that\'s approved in Europe but hasn\'t made it through the FDA approval process here in the States.

I\'m really curious as to how the pink version works for you.

[Elana]

Yesterday I was picking up my prescription at the drugstore, and that had those little packages of the gel that a woman applies to her clit and is supposed to give stronger orgasms. It contains L-arginine. If anyone is interested I\'ll let them know the name of it when I get home.

I had just read about this type of stuff in my Prevention mag., so I thought for the sake of science, I would try it out in a private session. OK.....seriously....this stuff is OMG!!!! From start to finish I was done in no time! I came so hard and so fast, but the main issue was the wetness factor. It was out of control. I don\'t want to get too graphic, but I\'ll just say that the sheets under me were soaked. Another thing that I noticed was after that orgasm, I wasn\'t horny for the rest of the day, which is very unusual for me. I usually have the more makes me need more syndrome.

I think I will keep this on hand for times when I am insatiable.

[Elana]

The name of the product is Vibrafem. Drugstore.com has it in large sizes, but if you ladies have an Eckerd Drugs by you, you can get a tiny trial size that will give you several applications.

[CJ01]

whow, so this stuff increases natural erm lubrication? Not for me sadly - I´m dripping wet already most of the time /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
CJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Elana]

I get really wet too, but as far as it curing my hunger for the day....that amazed me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Charisma]

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whow, so this stuff increases natural erm lubrication? Not for sadly I´m dripping wet already most of the time /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
CJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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That won\'t be a pretty sight.

I picture something similar like a Bouvier des Flandres that just had eaten a bowl of custard! Yikes!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[franki]

Watch your words Charisma! This is the WOMEN\'s forum. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Charisma]

So? CJ isn\'t a woman either...

[franki]

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So? CJ isn\'t a woman either...

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I don\'t care if she is a woman or not, as long as she doesn\'t write nasty things about women ..

[Charisma]

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So? CJ isn\'t a woman either...

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I don\'t care if she is a woman or not, as long as she doesn\'t write nasty things about women ..

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I didn\'t write nasty things about women. All I did was describe a dog with a dairy product, there\'s no similarity with women in general... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[CJ01]

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You were right on the first one. Private session is with me, myself and I


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Oh no, really? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif OMG all these years of waxing me legs, getting my period along with all the cramps and pains was all for nothing? Christ, my ex bf´s and others men will be in for a bit of a shock when I tell them this, bloody hell I hope they don´t end up sexually confused or anything /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Charisma]

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whow, so this stuff increases natural erm lubrication? Not for sadly I´m dripping wet already most of the time /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
CJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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That won\'t be a pretty sight.

I picture something similar like a Bouvier des Flandres that just had eaten a bowl of custard! Yikes!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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Hehe, the subject title is quite appropriate /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

Franki\'s right- this is the women\'s forum. Please either be nice or get out. Not trying to be rude- the reason we post here more frequently than in the main forum is b/c we don\'t have to put up with that kind of smartass bs here, and we can post more freely. Please, guys, take that into consideration before you post. Thanks.

[tallmacky]

Heheh DVK you sound like a moderator. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

I\'m glad you think it\'s funny, TM.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well although this converstation has strayed from womens aphrodisiacs, i would just like to give my opinion on posting. Although this is the womens forum i can\'t even count the number of times a woman has just made some outlandish comment not relevant to pheromone in the mens forum. So unless were going to completly monitor that i find it hypoctitical to say ok this is the womens forum be good now guys, when you find them doing the same thing. I know that to wrongs don\'t make a right. All im saying is most members have a tendency to toss in some humour sometime. So, lets not just out of the blue say ok time to be good boys and girls after you have let them run wild. I don\'t know if you agree with me, but to me its logical. Anyway i know sometimes we all get carried away but hey aren\'t we all here for one common cause, pheromones; letus try to remember that were here to help each other and learn form others failures and mistakes!

[franki]

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Well although this converstation has strayed from womens aphrodisiacs, i would just like to give my opinion on posting. Although this is the womens forum i can\'t even count the number of times a woman has just made some outlandish comment not relevant to pheromone in the mens forum. So unless were going to completly monitor that i find it hypoctitical to say ok this is the womens forum be good now guys, when you find them doing the same thing.

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There are quite some guys that don\'t like what the women have to say. A lot of the women stay away from the main forum now, because they got criticised for their behaviour. I, for one, like to see the input from the women on the forum.

I don\'t think it is unfair at all to ask the men to behave on the women\'s forum. DVK is right, \"act nice or leave\" is the policy on the women\'s forum and I am quite serious about that..

[Charisma]

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Franki\'s right- this is the women\'s forum. Please either be nice or get out. Not trying to be rude- the reason we post here more frequently than in the main forum is b/c we don\'t have to put up with that kind of smartass bs here, and we can post more freely. Please, guys, take that into consideration before you post. Thanks.

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Thanks DVK. Your posting shows that women are capable of expressing their feelings (NOT that they weren\'t before /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif) and don\'t need the intervention of men!

Btw, You girls know I was only foolin\' around a bit (maybe quite a lot /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ). I think it\'s time to serve some soup - bong bong bong! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Cheers,
Charisma.

P.S. I don\'t distinguish between men and women when I ridicule /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

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Thanks DVK. Your posting shows that women are capable of expressing their feelings (NOT that they weren\'t before) and don\'t need the intervention of men!

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Thanks Charisma. However, I don\'t want that to discourage the few men who do speak up for us from doing so! We may not always say so, but we DO appreciate it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[CJ01]

nate dogg, there is no `mens forum´ . It´s just that Bruce decided to introduce an extra forum for female phero users. One reason being that there´s very few women on the board and their posts and thus their shared experiences with various products had a tendency to go under in the main forum. Now if a new woman comes to love scent she can come to this board and ask questions and get answers from other women etc you know what I mean.

PS If some of us get cheeky or outspoken it´s because we get so much sh*t from a lot of guys on the forum here. Believe me I´ve been on the board for a looooong time now, and sometimes you don´t know whether to laugh or cry at what us girls get presented with.

I WAS gonna make some reply but decided it was a waste of my time.

CJ

[Icarus]

There should be a hermaphrodite forum.

(I\'d love a hammock)

Steve

[CJ01]

Well you know know, could ask Bruce

[CJ01]

Incidently, a work and business forum might be helpful.

[Whitehall]

There is a reason that our parents where expected to raise ladies and gentlemen. When we\'re not, trouble starts and good things get mucked up.

Civility and politeness are the lubricants of civilization.

Let\'s have more of them and less nastiness.

[Elana]

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Although this is the womens forum i can\'t even count the number of times a woman has just made some outlandish comment not relevant to pheromone in the mens forum.

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Nate....go take a look at the posts I made in the main forum in the last few months. Then look at the posts from SRH and DVK.....you get the picture? We stopped posting in that forum all together. We were sick to death of some of the guys asking for a woman\'s point of view, and then when we give it we get blasted and told how wrong we are. So we did the smart thing and left. Nobody is asking the guys to stop posting here. Just play nice. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Sagacious1420]

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Nate....go take a look at the posts I made in the main forum in the last few months. Then look at the posts from SRH and DVK.....you get the picture? We stopped posting in that forum all together. We were sick to death of some of the guys asking for a woman\'s point of view, and then when we give it we get blasted and told how wrong we are. So we did the smart thing and left. Nobody is asking the guys to stop posting here. Just play nice. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Even better, look at the posts from FTR in the last few weeks! Oh yea...that\'s right...she left us for good because of the juvenile, instigative bull$h!t. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Sorry ladies. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Everyone\'s loss, really. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Are we fully cognizant of our good fortune in having some intelligent, insightful, articulate women [i]willing to contribute to the forum?

Dare we alienate all the women from the forum?

Who would provide guidance to the new female phero users?

Perhaps we should change the name of the pheromone forum to the \"SausageFest\" forum? How does that sound? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Decorum, anyone?


WH- Good man!

[Charisma]

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Even better, look at the posts from FTR in the last few weeks! Oh yea...that\'s right...she left us for good because of the [insert expletive here] juvenile, instigative bull$h!t. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Did she actually tell you or are you such an excellent mind reader? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Maybe she got what she wanted out of this forum and pheromones, who knows (maybe she can tell us)? Phantom isn\'t around any more either, who shall we blame for that?

People come and go. Just like daily live. Tell me, do you still meet with ALL the people you were friends with when you were a kid?

[EXIT63]

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Phantom isn\'t around any more either

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Thank God for small favors.

[Elana]

Sag is correct. That is exactly why she left. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Researcher]

you can blame me for phantom leaving

[CJ01]

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Thank God for small favors.


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Why? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Holmes]

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Thank God for small favors.


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Why? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Yeah, what was the deal with \"Phantom?\" Was he a Menace or something? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Tee hee...

Holmes

[franki]

Phantom\'s stories were getting more and more unbelievable by the day. It had to end sooner or later. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Holmes]

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Phantom\'s stories were getting more and more unbelievable by the day. It had to end sooner or later. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

\"This one time, at band camp...\"


Holmes

[Sagacious1420]

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Did she actually tell you or are you such an excellent mind reader? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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YES! She actually told me! [rolling eyes]

And we still keep in touch from time to time.

BTW, I wouldn\'t want to read minds...the inane drivel that comes out of ppl\'s mouths is enough torture w/out having to be subjected to all the bs in their minds. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[CJ01]

great noone told ME bloody anything. Thanks a bunch /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif !

[Skyy]

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Phantom\'s stories were getting more and more unbelievable by the day. It had to end sooner or later. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I think at some point his stories were true, but they slowly went downhill. His final post was classic &amp; different from what you would expect.

[Icarus]

Got a link to his final post?

Or could you tell me what to search for to get it?

His legend lives on...

Steve

[franki]

I don\'t believe you Skyy. I have good indications that he made almost everything up .... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Icarus]

if he did... you start to feel kinda sorry for him.

[Skyy]

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I don\'t believe you Skyy. I have good indications that he made almost everything up .... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Do tell or pm me with details

[Elana]

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I don\'t believe you Skyy. I have good indications that he made almost everything up ....

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> All I know is that I never got my pictures of his 8.5\" that he promised me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Researcher]

elana, in all your quests for pictures, exactly how many have you actually gotten? and i am not talking normal head shots here

[DaVinciKittie]

Haha, Reasearcher, you might want to rephrase that last part... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Elana]

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Haha, Reasearcher, you might want to rephrase that last part...

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I would guess around 30 or more....probably more

[DaVinciKittie]

Elana, is that pics of 30 *different* guys or 30 all together? Geez, that\'s a lotta d. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Elana]

If I were counting the number of pics, it could be close to 100. I have pics from over 30 different men here. Two have been in the 8\" range. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just some L-S trivia. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[franki]

How many of those have pics of you, Elana? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

&lt;nodding head appreciatively&gt; Well isn\'t that interesting... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Elana]

At least 30 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Researcher]

dvk, the head shot thing was part the joke. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

elana, funny, on these LS forum polls, the average penis size of the male members is like 7.25 inches. yet of the 30 guys, just 2 are eight inches?? hmmmmmm.....

BTW, 30 guys actually have pictures of their own penis? Don\'t you think that is a little wierd? ahh, i guess digital cameras have changed things

[Skyy]

yeah I bet the pictures are all like printed out on nice photo quality paper hanging at the ceiling so she can get a nice view from her bed..of course she has our little user names printed out next to them as well so she knows who is who /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mtnjim]

Damn, here I thought she was joking all this time...now where is my digital camera?

[DaVinciKittie]

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BTW, 30 guys actually have pictures of their own penis? Don\'t you think that is a little wierd? ahh, i guess digital cameras have changed things

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Ahhh, but they get pics of Elana in return. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Not so weird afterall. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[EXIT63]

E, I\'m still trying to figure out how you drive a car! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Elana]

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E, I\'m still trying to figure out how you drive a car! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">I do love that stick shift. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[camusflage]

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30 different men here. Two have been in the 8\" range.

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Seriously? Is 8\" all that special? I\'ve always thought of it as just normal--maybe a bit bigger than most, but not a monster.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Elana]

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30 different men here. Two have been in the 8\" range.

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Seriously? Is 8\" all that special? I\'ve always thought of it as just normal--maybe a bit bigger than most, but not a monster.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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8\" is pretty damn big. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Sexyredhead]

Never had 8\". Not sure I ever want to. Ouch! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Elana]

If you run into any....send them my way.

[Sexyredhead]

Will do. I\'m not into getting all bruised up inside. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I like \'em a little shorter than that. lol

Then again, maybe I need to work on my stretches. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Elana]

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Then again, maybe I need to work on my stretches.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

No pain no gain. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I would just take my 8\" and look at it. It\'s beautiful art work. Maybe I would even try to paint it on a canvas.....after I abused it for several hours

[tallmacky]

Well, if you go to some of those \"statistical\" websites and look around a bit more you realize that it\'s a pretty large bell curve. 7 inches and below is more likely to occur for some reason when people hit 8 inches well the party gets a lot smaller. That\'s what it seems like is the drop off point. 90 percent of men fall under 8 inches (forgot the site). So elana saw 30 different men, 2 were 8 and up so that rounds out to 3.33333 penis\'s out of the 30 should have been above 8 so that is pretty close to 2. I guess sometimes real life and statistics can reach a middleground.

With jelqing and the PE gel, you just may not know anymore.

[CJ01]

I know a 12 and an 11 (nice n thick /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) they´re on their way - but you´re gonna have to fight it out with one of thewives I´m afraid /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
CJ

[Researcher]

mine is like an inch longer when looking facing me, but from my perspective it is like an inch shorter. There\'s really no uniform standard of measuring, i really have no clue how big i am

[CJ01]

that´s good, because there´s nothing more hidious than imagining a guy measuring his dick.

Ever since a friend of mine pointed this out to me (way back) the thought is a bit of a turn off for me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
So don´t ever tell your date how big it is /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

Ooo, good point CJ. I\'d rather not have that visual either, and if things go well, I\'ll find out for myself anyway... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[CJ01]

Exactly /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif and just pray for something good to pop out from behind the fabric

[Elana]

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that´s good, because there´s nothing more hidious than imagining a guy measuring his dick.

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I kind of like the visual /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[camusflage]

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Never had 8\". Not sure I ever want to. Ouch!

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I\'ve never had a problem with that.. Only once did one gal tell me that it was too big, and that was only sometimes when she was on top.

[Elana]

I hope you realize that you just set yourself up to be harassed....... by me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[CJ01]

pics?

[tallmacky]

Camusflage, you shouldn\'t have said that every guy that has, has probably sent her pics.....she is waiting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

A surprise girls? Wouldn\'t you like to know before hand? I mean what if it\'s not so nice and horribly small?

[CJ01]

If that´s the case we can always make an excuse and leave /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

You know, contrary to popular belief, I don\'t necessarily think that monstrous is necessarily better. What you guys might consider \"small\", just might be average in your egocentric minds (j/k- no offense intended!!). I mean, honestly, take into account the size/length of the average vagina and 8\" really does seem like overkill. Haven\'t we discussed this before? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[tallmacky]

If anything the guys overplay their size, most guys are an inch shorter than they say, most likely even more so. I think it does matter some what to a girl for aesthetic reasons, A man running around naked with a very small flaccid penis could be a turn off......you\'re right maybe it\'s more for our health but what ever makes you feel good/doesn\'t hurt anyone.

I guess it could be overkill......maybe if you find a 89 year old women it may be a bit easier /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (J/K) You could put the thing elsewhere...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Elana]

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I think it does matter some what to a girl for aesthetic reasons,

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In my case, that is the truth.

[Researcher]

do you stil find that body part attractive even if it is on a ugly or extremely old man?

[Elana]

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do you stil find that body part attractive even if it is on a ugly or extremely old man?

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Uhhhh NO! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
It\'s a total package deal /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Researcher]

okay. i was wondering about that with you. because find anything on a woman i am attracted to as a turn on, and if i don\'t find her attractive then i don\'t care too much for even the most classic female features

[Elana]

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I know a 12 and an 11 (nice n thick )

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Are you serious CJ? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

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find anything on a woman i am attracted to as a turn on, and if i don\'t find her attractive then i don\'t care too much for even the most classic female features

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

That\'s really nice to hear. Seriously. How old are you, Researcher? You should update your profile info. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Sexyredhead]

Yes, we like it when we can click and learn a little bit more about you--even if it\'s how witty you can be in NOT telling us anything real. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CJ01]

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Are you serious CJ?


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

yep /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Researcher]

as tempted as I am to keep you wondering if it means that much to you i am a 23/m , ny, writer. and yes, as hard as it might be to believe, i am a writer, doing it for the last five years for a major media outlet, doing it for four while going to school at the same time. and because I have to work so damn hard at it, i do my best to avoid writing well on this forum. I know that i write like a 15 year old boy.

[EXIT63]

Elana, isn\'t it time to resurrect the dickball?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[DaVinciKittie]

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Whitehall]

This one looks very effective:
http://www.doctorcabot.com/sensualpassion.htm (\"http://www.doctorcabot.com/sensualpassion.htm\")