Ross Jefferies??

[voodoo]

Hey All..I\'m back after a lengthy time away and I am soooo happy to be back! Anyways, I remember someone had posted the Ross Jefferies Link awhile back does anyone have that? It would be great to get back into the \'SWING\' /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif of things..Thanks Peeps! (Any other good tapes on dating, picking up women etc out?) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[akinu]

Arrgghhh!! It is www.speedseduction.com (\"http://www.speedseduction.com\") but dont do it. Go and learn true NLP from someone certified by Richard Bandler himself. It will add much much more than Ross. I am sure Charisma has loads to add to this /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[CptKipling]

No i think he means the confidence tapes, but i dont have the link, just do a search for \"ultimate confidence\".

[akinu]

Oh... There are mp3s of Ross\'s confidence tapes on Napster, Audiogalaxy etc..

[CptKipling]

An old member (Sabspeaks i think) hosted a website with lots of seduction material (pdf\'s, mp3\'s etc.), but i lost the link /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[akinu]

Nooooo!! Where shall we search?

[CptKipling]

I found the link and the site is down, but its \"unstoppable confidence\" not ultimate.

A few people posted some usefull notes, i will try and find those.

but the actuall files should be here,

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/putec/ (\"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/putec/\")

that was from someone else, just sign up and then i think you will find them.

[CptKipling]

Found it!

http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB5&Number=61186&Forum=UB B5&Words=%20confidence%20affirmation&Match=And&Sea rchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=61186&Search= true#Post61186 (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB5&Number=61186&Forum=UB B5&Words=%20confidence%20affirmation&Match=And&Sea rchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=61186&Search= true#Post61186\")

[TBiRD]

DON\'T WASTE YOUR TIME , YOUR EYES, READING THROUGH ALL THAT JUNK ! It will only help u to fine-tune techniques , advance in some areas - If you don\'t have any solid basis to begin with , it won\'t do a damn thing for u.


Look its really simple :

If your aim is to get LAID or hook up with a girl AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE - THEN this my friend will get you to your desired goal quicker than the others :

G U N W I T C H (\"http://gunwitch.fastseduction.com/\")


This guy combined the essence of all the seduction stuff and put it into easy readable/learnable/understandable context.


Read - Understand - Adapt - Forget - Get Laid !

[druid]

Proceed to the link that is G-U-N-W-I-T-C-H!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TBiRD]

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[akinu]

Does it work on Turkish girls??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[TBiRD]

lol ! Any race ! The essence of gunwitch approach is :

The more girls you approach (with nothing but sex on your mind) the higher the chances , that some will fall for you. (be affected by your sexual state and mirror it)


Even if you are a butt-ugly,mole faced,fat,bald guy YOU are still beautiful to atleast one or two women out of 100 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

All you have to do is APPROACH 100 to get to those 1 or 2.

This was an example of guy who is a -1- in looks.
See , he IS ugly , and still he gets laid because he put EFFORT into it.

A guy , who is very beautiful (10 in looks),muscular,tall BUT SHY = Doesn\'t have the balls to approach women - Will NOT GET LAID ! Despite of his beauty. No one cares. No confidence , No punane !

Ultimate womanizer = a guy with 10 in looks AND 10 in effort. Thats Don Juan himself , he probably could get laid anytime anywhere and would never be without a girl , unless he decides to take a break , to replensih his -arginine levels /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


So even if you are an average joe (5-6) in looks but put alot of effort (effort =number of approached women , the more the better) in your game , u will get laid nonstop.
Simple as that...

Gunwitch is great for having some fun while you are young , and want to learn and exprience alot. I\'ve been there (without nowing about gunwitch-natural talent I guess) - however I realized that a relationship based on true-love/trust/being faithful with ONLY one girl , is ALOT better , much more worthwile than one-night stands.

So , do what I did , enjoy yourself ,take your chances - bed alotta girls/women , then when you feel you had enough , choose the best girl there is and settle down ...

[CptKipling]

Tbird, you are only seeing this from your point of view...

I agree entirely with what you say about gunwitch (the fact that i say that stuff all the time should be proof enough /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ), but some people have a real confidence issue.

Without true confidence, you are pretty screwed. This is just 1 way that might help.

[akinu]

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lol ! Any race !

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Its not about race really. It is more about this: (read from the 4th page)

http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=UBB5&amp;Number=83336&amp;page=2&amp;v iew=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=4 (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=UBB5&amp;Number=83336&amp;page=2&amp;v iew=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=4\")

I doubt if I can use it here (with many other dating/seduction tips)

[TBiRD]

CptKipling - I don\'t think that it was too onesided.

The whole gunwitch stuff , is a self fulfilling prophecy.

Your confidene will gradually build , while you aproach more and more ladys. Of course there has to be a first step , I agree. Still , let me put it to you this way :
I f.uckin hate guys who WANT to f.uck , but don\'t want to put a little effort to get to that goal. YOu know what ? If you don\'t want to work for it , you don\'t deserve it. BAMM ! There is absolutely nothing scary about women and there nothing scary about approaching them. If you already fail at walking up and saying hi , cos that scares the $hit out of u , u definetly are a psychotic sociophobic freak and need some shrink to fix u up ! Either that, or keep on crying till the end of times while watching porn... \"L\"


Hmm I guess that was a little harsh, but hey some people need to wake up. Its not rocket science....

[LatentOne]

I agree with what TBird said in his post(s). I have seen fairly hot women with guys who are not exactly 10\'s wonder what they\'re secret is. Looks help, yes, but so does confidence. If you\'re not trying, your obviously not going to reap any benefits. You may not get steady action but at least there\'s a chance at some action!

Though I\'ve never been to the \"Gunwitch\" site (yet..but I will take a look /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ), if you really think about it (and yes, I have read the Ross Jeffries stuff and even got one or two tapes just to take a listen), doesn\'t it all come down to confidence? In one of the tapes I got from Jeffries he says something like \"if they turn you down, they\'re not worth your time and move on to the next woman\" or something to that effect. Well duh!

The more you think about it, the more it makes sense AND it is just common sense isn\'t it? I\'m not knocking Jeffries and I don\'t doubt that some of what he teaches works but I never bothered to buy into the complete program because after listening to the two tapes I got, I said to myself, \"Helpful tidbits of info but seems more like he\'s using NLP to the boost the listener\'s confidence!\".

Of course, if your overly shy and have trouble approaching women in the first place, then THIS is where you start to fix your problem. Overcome the shyness, then work on your game. Easier said then done for some, but you gotta start somewhere if you\'re gonna go anywhere! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

\"Ain\'t nothin\' to it, but to do it!\"

[TBiRD]

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The more you think about it, the more it makes sense AND it is just common sense isn\'t it?

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Exactly ! Its sooo simple actually. Loose the damn selflimiting selfdoubts, you got nothing to loose.

Damn , back in the days ! BACK IN THE DAYS , MEN REALLY WENT THROUGH SOME SERIOUS TROUBLE TO GET A WOMENS ATTENTION !

-think of men who slaughtered entire nations to get some a$$ !!!(caesar/cleopatra /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif )
-think of all the poets/bards who used to write + sing all the beautiful poems/songs/love letters , over and over again to get a girls approval.
-think of \"ancient\" heros who fought bravely for their women !

It hasn\'t changed since back then !

A women wants to be conquered !

However , see how all the game has completely degraded from \"I just killed a mighty fierce dragon for you melady\" to \"walk-over-and-say-hi\" !

Isn\'t this SO much easier now ? It works the same though. And its not too much asked from you , is it ?

[druid]

for gunwitch you need confidence, but you also need to keep things moving towards isolation and eventually sex. gunny stresses that you need to be the aggresser. which is a man\'s natural role in the mating game. Ross\'s SS products deal with verbally describing emotional states to the woman with the hope that to understand what you are talking about she will have to experience those states and will hopefully link the good states to you.

IMHO gunny is the only way to go. It is free, it makes sense, and it elimates a lot of sh-t like flakes because you don\'t go for a number close or a kiss close you go straight for the sex. the major thing you have to deal with is LMR, but if you get her really aroused it should only be token LMR. then afterwards you exchange numbers and you don\'t have to worry. if you want a relationship with her (and provided she wants one with you) she will call. why? beause her ASD (anti slut defense) and her chick logic combined with her social conditioning will demand that she have a relationship with you. so it really puts you into a postion of authority.

Oh and rememmber gunny did SS/NLP stuff for about 10 years and formulated his method when he lost a lot of weight and got buff. and realized that SS/NLP was superflous. So workout, lose that flab, and be sexually aggresive. and all will fall into place.

[voodoo]

Well thanks everyone ...

As per usual Love-Scent came through..

To add my own two scents. I really don\'t think the \'truth\' lays with one technique only. In reference to Ross Jefferies I was speaking about his tapes \'unstoppable confidence.\' The tapes are basically affirmations used to assist you in developing a more focused direction towards women..nothing more.

GUNWITCH speaks more of what steps to take once in the situation. Everyone a tone time or another has encountered some sort of experience with women. These experiences will shape how we view women and relationships in general. A person who has had negative experiences will naturally have negative or untrusting views when compared to someone whose experiences with women have been primarily positive. This is not just an issue of confidence but is also sub-conscious patterns created through experiences that we can and cannot recall from our past. This is the basis of psychology.

By COMBINING Ross Jefferies and GUNWITCH you should be able to train your sub conscious mind to pursue women more aggresively and positively. What GUNWITCH will do is help you understand what to do once you have pursued. As GUNWITCH stated if you don\'t pursue you can\'t win...which is why, in some instances, NLP and hypnosis as well, can be effective. It really depends on the needs of the user as well as the cause of the hesitation towards women. In some men it is confidence, or lack thereof, in others it is fear or a behavior trait that exists on a subconcious level.

I believe that the more knowledge you have and the more understanding you have about a topic. The more prepared you will be when it comes time to use it. Of course you still haev to do the work but it helps to be prepared.

Thanks again people...just my two scents... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[druid]

i don\'t think that you need NLP to retrain you. just stop jerkin\' off and you will be much more sexually affressive. read this that I posted in uASF (i know BLEH) but i think it was pretty good and I think it explains my threoy of a \"lazy confidence mechasism\"

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;selm=VmAI9.10556%24kz2.1082309%40newsread1.prod. itd.earthlink.net (\"http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;selm=VmAI9.10556%24kz2.1082309%40newsread1.prod. itd.earthlink.net\")

[CptKipling]

I agree entirely!

I didnt even use those MP3s properly, but i think it\'s always usefull to have other perspectives.