Everybody please comment

[akinu]

Hi,

I am actually not new to here, nor new to phermone industry. I have been using phermones for about 5 years including contact18, datemate2000, PI/m, TE, SOE, WAGG and even Athena\'s 10x. Unfortunately, these products have failed me so far.

I know you will be sceptical of this. You are probably asking \"do you know what a response means\", \"you are not acting accordingly\".. but no; throughout 5 years I have read every bit of information I have come up with and tried each and every phermone (and their combination on cookbook) in different social contexts.

What I think the reason is, that the place I am living in; Turkey. Although the social life resembles that of any other place, but the girls still arent very comfortable with their emotions.

But believe me, I am not expecting a direct and open approach either.. If only I could test the pheros I wear, somewhere else to see if I am doing right or wrong.. It has been very common for me to enter a disco with pheros on and still experience no change around.. In fact there has been nothing that I can attribute to phermones for my past 5 years of phermones.. I wouldnt be such if I had experienced even one negative result, that would give me sth to work with, but noticing no change is very bad.. Still, I will use phermones if I somehow see that these pheros subconsciously DO effect girls, without necessarily seeing a \"result\".

Do you know how I can get out of this? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[MOBLEYC57]

Take a deep breath...hold it...let it out slow, while counting to 10. Now...you should list the way you\'ve been using your products (combos, standalones, etc.). This way, the experts can go through, analyze, and go to work for you. If they will....

Now...got a piece of gum? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[akinu]

I have used all the pheros as standalone. Then I combined various amounts of TE-SOE, TE-WAGG, PI/m-SOE and PI/m-WAGG. In essence, there is no reason for NONE not to work for me, because I am not a macho type; but a \"friend\" material. I am 21, do weightlifting often and 5\'8.. Any other questions?

In fact how do I understand whether pheros in general Are working for me or not?

[Xehupatl]

Here\'s my comment (hey you asked for it!):
It\'s a simple, 3-step formula:

1. buy all mones from love-scent.com
2. ?
3. PROFIT!

[akinu]

Please more constructive comments?

[Whitehall]

Visit Mykonos and meet some of the Eurpoean women on vacation.

In other words, go fishing where they\'re biting..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I dunno, Akinu. You pop up every couple of months or so with this same question and so far nobody\'s known what to tell you.

Maybe pheromones just don\'t work for you, for some unknown reason. I\'d say five years is a pretty good trial.

Go without for awhile and see what happens.

[CJ01]

akinu,

You´ve got mostly nol products at your disposal. How come after all this time you´ve never considered trying -nol products or even more `blanced´ ones loke Attraction, AFA or somethinf light but effective such as PF...?

I can appreciate what you´ve observed about girls not being very open and so on. But you are dealing with people who are pretty much bound to certain rules. They´re fairly strict, and religious too and have a long traditions, don´t they? Please correct me if I´m wrong or seeing things to sterotype.


the reactions / non-reactions you´re describing sounds a bit like what bubu has said a bout the swedish actually /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif...

As for pheros, I recommend taking a whole new approach.
Get, as mentioned above, something that will put people incl girls at ease with you, to help them make them feel comfortable in your company. That´s always good, whether the resulting interest is sexual or not.

AFA, Attraction, PI/w, PF or PF/w is what I recommend ( for now) for you to try out.

CJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CJ01]

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Visit Mykonos and meet some of the Eurpoean women on vacation.


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European women - ? Where do you think Turkey is.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

He means Spain, France, Italy, England Europe.

[Whitehall]

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Where do you think Turkey is.

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Mostly Asia, specifically, Asia Minor. Granted there is some Turkish territory on the Eurpoean continent but that was stolen from the Serbs - just ask them.

CJ - have you been tippling again? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hey, give me a break! I could have told him to go to Cyprus and try to date Greek women! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[CJ01]

Okay but Turkey is officially part of the european continent and I think they tend to think like this also.

As for the dating you know there´s loads for other europeans in Turkey!!! I think akinu wants turkish girls though am I right?

[frenchie]

Hi,
even if you consider you are not macho, girls may consider you as a Man (therefore macho), because of some traditions in your country.
Try WAGG again : I\'m not sure you can say it failed for you as it\'s a new stuff.

my 2 euro cents

[Whitehall]

Is Turkey in the European Union? No.

Will it ever be? No - just ask Chirac.

Geographically, Turkey is predominantly in Asia.

The basic advice remains - if Turkish women are not easy, go where there are easy women.

[Genome335]

Akinu - all I can suggest for you is to use just 5 dabs of TE/m covered with 2 sprays of your favorite cologne (applyed on neck) and nothing else. You\'ll be suprised with the results.

[metroman]

Akinu- My brother in law is Turkish living in the US but goes back home to visit fairly often. He has family in Ankara &amp; Istanbul. I will report back if he has some input but I wont be seeing him until the last week in June.

[franki]

Akinu, for what it is worth: In my experience turkish women (in Germany) react VERY WELL to pheromones, like all mediterrean
women do. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CptKipling]

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Akinu, for what it is worth: In my experience turkish women (in Germany) react VERY WELL to pheromones, like all mediterrean
women do. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I\'ve seen this aswell, not specifically Turky, but ladies from the Med area are affected.

[akinu]

Whoa! I definetly did not want to arise an international incident LOL, thank you for commentting.

Whitehall: Mykonos? I dont know, you may be right, and that was what I was looking for. Correct, but I wonder what will they do if they learn I am Turkish LOL.. Are there any other `easy` places you know?

FullTiltRedhead: Yeah, I `pop up` every month because no one gives me any reasonable answer and my post gets lost. Any other questions?

CJ01: Nope bro, look I ve got SOE and WAGG which are NOL dominant. I dont know what bubu said about Swedes but perhaps he is encountering similar reactions. Most of the Turks are as you have described but, I live in a university campus which is not much different from a standard US campus. So it has to work somehow here.

===By the way lets keep politics out of this forum OK, I am an international relations specialist, which means you are pushing the wrong door, just dont misinform people in the forum===

Turkish girls are not typical `mediterraneans`. Turkish people in Germany have long been assimilated (by their own choice of course, dont misunderstand) and have lost their initial `Turkish` culture. This is good by the way, I hope every girl in Turkey will someday become like them, but it is not quite right to evaluate Turks in Germany and Turks in Turkey and Spanish or Italian `mediterranean` as one.

frenchie: OK bro I ll do it again. I guess the new pheromax will be much better what do you think?

Genome335: Sure, I will do it.

metroman: that will be great! This will be a colossal source of info. Does he use pheros?

[metroman]

I dont think he does. But I can bring him up to speed on the topic.

[Charisma]

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Whitehall: Mykonos? I dont know, you may be right, and that was what I was looking for. Correct, but I wonder what will they do if they learn I am Turkish LOL.. Are there any other `easy` places you know?

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Easy places? Like really really really really really easy places? Go to Magalluf (Mallorca(Spain)), Lloret de Mar (Costa Brava(Spain)), Salou (Costa Dorada (Spain)), Rimini (Italy). PAAAAARTEEEEY!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If you want really easy yet challenging from a political point of view indeed go to a Greek isle like Kos, Crete (especially Hersonissos) or Ios (www.iospartyisland.com). Ask Whitehall for more info on Mykonos /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

I think the\'re a lot more places were other members on this forum can inform you about.

[Whitehall]

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Ask Whitehall for more info on Mykonos )

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I\'m really out of my league on European hot spots - that\'s a long way from California! Still, Mykonos\' reputation has spread this far.

I\'ll leave it to Charisma and others for advice on The Eastern Hemisphere.

For my turf, I can say that I\'ve picked up female tourists with stars in their eyes on the San Francisco cable cars - women come here thinking the City is sooo romantic - which it is. It helps if you can croon like Tony Bennett (\"I left my heart....\")

A lot of people will go to Cabo San Lucas in Baja California for party time - that may be the closest analogue to Mykonos here.

So why is it that women will go to certain places hoping to get laid by a stranger? Naturalists will tell you that certain species have designated places where males and females will gather just for the purpose of mating - I forget the term but is of African origin. I think that humans sometimes display this behavior too. If horny women visit such places (Mykonos, Cabo San Lucas, San Francisco) then we guys will ignore them at our loss.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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Ask Whitehall for more info on Mykonos )

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I\'m really out of my league on European hot spots - that\'s a long way from California! Still, Mykonos\' reputation has spread this far.

I\'ll leave it to Charisma and others for advice on The Eastern Hemisphere.

For my turf, I can say that I\'ve picked up female tourists with stars in their eyes on the San Francisco cable cars - women come here thinking the City is sooo romantic - which it is. It helps if you can croon like Tony Bennett (\"I left my heart....\")

A lot of people will go to Cabo San Lucas in Baja California for party time - that may be the closest analogue to Mykonos here.

So why is it that women will go to certain places hoping to get laid by a stranger? Naturalists will tell you that certain species have designated places where males and females will gather just for the purpose of mating - I forget the term but is of African origin. I think that humans sometimes display this behavior too. If horny women visit such places (Mykonos, Cabo San Lucas, San Francisco) then we guys will ignore them at our loss.



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Having lived in Virginia Beach for 12 years, I can attest to that. Women go there in the summer to enjoy the beach and get laid. Guys do, too, so it works out nicely.

Tourist towns are always good for a fling or a one night stand. All the better if they\'re by the beach, since you\'ve got the near nudity of bathing suits to help things out. Half nekkid is half the battle - a couple of margaritas after that, and bingo. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CJ01]

akinu,´I get the feeling you really haven´t done that much to inform yourself. If you had spent a some time reading and doing research on the forum you´d know for instance that frenchie and I are not `bros´ . If you take the time and search you may find info that will help you find answers to your problems. We´re always happy to help but we´re not magicians y´know /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
We´ve already given you some tips now. We´re not able to make the turkish girls become different and we can´t change the way they react towards you either.

SOE was created to provide a -rone based product and WAGG is not -nol.
You didn´t read my post very well I guess.
good luck anyway CJ

[akinu]

Oh, I didnt mean to offend you. \"Bro\" is usually used in such forums, and somehow Im used to it, I wont do it again.

The real problem is, as I cant get ANY response in TR, I cant know whether NOL,RONE or NONE works for me, although I know what these pheros do in general. The problem is not about changing girls here. I just ask \"where can I TEST this stuff to know what works for me\" and you all showed sufficient information, to which I am most thankful.

As I said, I dont care about a concrete \"response\". I just want to know that the phero I am wearing effects girls subconsciously. (Dude I dont even know what TYPE of phermone works for me!!)

Having clarified my point, I thank all of you for your sincere responses and need a bit more assistance and comment on these last points.

[biteme]

akinu, I don\'t mean to treat you like a dummy, but how much of the different products have you been wearing? I was a little hesitant to ask you this at first, seeing you\'ve been using mones for five years now. I figured you must know about \"optimal\" dosages, but wouldn\'t hurt to ask.

Also, how would you describe yourself? I know you said that you\'re not the \"macho\" type of guy (and by that I assume you mean that you do not suffer from the \"Clint Eastwood\" effect?), but would you say that you\'re a lone wolf kind of person?

And, have you been testing the products out on their own or in combos? If combos, what combos (mixes) have you been trying?

[CJ01]

Pheros can help you but you´ve got to help them too. I don´t know what you´re like with other people and how you come across so it´s difficult to judge.

Best way to get reactions from others is the same as in any other situation. You´ve got to interact, talk be approachable etc. It´s up to you to make the first move.

[Mtnjim]

\"Oh, I didnt mean to offend you. \"Bro\" is usually used in such forums,...\"
I think the meaning was that \"bro\" is short for \"brother\" and Frenchie and CJ are GIRLS--as in \"sis\".
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[CJ01]

right, but don´t noone call ME sis please

[Watcher]

Cultural confusion is common, dont get to worked up over it, stay cool.

[akinu]

biteme: I start with small dosages of one drops and one sprays and work up to real OD. As for character, I am not an Eastwood type, I am quite funny and very very easy to talk. I almost never ever have that NOL aura. That is why I say NOL has to work for me. I used every phero at least 6 times standalone. After that I used PI/m-SOE, PI/m-WAGG and TE-SOE, TE-WAGG combindations until I depleted all pheros. Ratios increased as such; 1/4,2/4,3/4,4/4,4/3,4/2,4/1 for each.

CJ01: OK, I will keep that in mind. But I am already very approachable and a good talker.

Mtnjim: My bad, as I said it wont happen again. Didnt mean to hurt.

Watcher: Good advice, you are right. I have to find a way to find which phero does what to me in order to be able to approach with more confidence. It is hard to study pheros when no one changed behavior even when I OD.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Try a little soup behind each ear next time.

[biteme]

Hmm. Ok. Well, I don\'t know what to tell ya. Maybe you\'re right in that its a cultural thing. You should do a search on \'swede\' to see what bubu and ironration have said about Sweden. Maybe bubu\'s experiments would pertain to your situation (a shot in the dark on my part).

I noticed the ratios you tried. Have you tried the actual ratios of the \"proven\" mixes in the cookbook? Like DD#1 -- SOE:NPA at 7:3. Or KR#1 -- SOE:PI\\m at 7:3.

As for people\'s behavior when you OD, remember that not everyone will \"change\" his/her behavior when you OD. And sometimes, the reaction maybe something as subtle as covering one\'s nose w/a finger for a few seconds. I, myself, have had only two people blatantly react to an OD on two seperate occasions. Both times were accidental OD\'s(the second was downright embarassing /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif ). Every time I OD on purpose (back when I suspected that this mone stuff was a scam), I got no responses at all.

Sorry I\'m not as much help to ya, Akinu. I hope you find your killer mix. Good luck! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Mtnjim]

\"Mtnjim: My bad, as I said it wont happen again. Didnt mean to hurt.\"

No problem, It was just a clearification--English language slang and all.

[Sagacious1420]

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Mmmmmmmm Mmmmmmmm GOOD! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Watcher]

Try the established mixes as they have been proven to work well for a large number of users.

[akinu]

I have depleted some of the pheros, for ex. I dont have PI/m anymore. Aside from the cookbook, any suggestions with my TE,SOE,WAGG and the newer formula Pheromax I just ordered? And secondly is it clever to use NPA with CK one?

[biteme]

Try 6 inches of SOE; one on each wrist then rub your wrists together for a couple seconds, one on each forearm, and one on both sides of your neck. Then 3 dabs of TE; one on your wrist then quickly rub your wrists together for a couple seconds and one behind each ear. Then 2 drops of WAGG as instructed by the manufacturer; 2 drops on clothing, maybe the shoulders.

As for the new PX, I wouldn\'t know. I\'ve never even tried the old PX.

Also, check out this thread:

http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=UBB5&amp;Number=46271&amp;page=4&amp;v iew=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=all (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=UBB5&amp;Number=46271&amp;page=4&amp;v iew=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=all\")

I don\'t know if you\'ve seen it, but some interesting discussion on LaCroy products (TE and NPA).

[akinu]

Should dress lightly (only a tshirt) to make this combination work. I have to wait a week or so for the cold weather to end. I will write back after 5 trials

[B2C]

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Hey, give me a break! I could have told him to go to Cyprus and try to date Greek women! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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While akinu, I cannot reccomend this to everyone, WH suggestion above brings back fond memomories!!!

WH, it has all ready been established that we are somehow married to the same woman in parralel universes... Is your Greek too!?!?!

B2C

[akinu]

Hey why not? There is no problem between Turkish and Greek citizens, the problem is entirely between Greek and Turkish politicians. I wont mind marrying a Greek at all.