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ironration
05-02-2003, 08:45 AM
Today I went with 8\" of SOE and 5\" of JB#1. Applied on throat, neck, wrists and a little bit on my cloths. Took the subway and sat right near two beautiful girls about 18-19 years old. Then I went around the city, visited 20 different shops, interacted with maybe 10-15 sales people. I also made sure to place myself near different whomen while I was shopping in order to investigate if they would react in any way to the pheromones. After theshopping was done, I went to movie. I waited in a crowded line for about 10 minutes.

So hundreds of people exposed to pheromones, some briefly and some for longer time. Some people I just stood near, other I talked to. No special reaction from anyone. I have used pheroes for one year now without results. However, I will continue to post field reports until I get some. I think I will try an extreme JB#1 overdose tomorrow.

Elana
05-02-2003, 08:50 AM
What do you look like?

ironration
05-02-2003, 08:59 AM
185 cm, 90kilo. Dark (thinning) hair. I am in decent shape. My looks may be a bit below average but I am not ugly (I think).

travis
05-02-2003, 09:27 AM
\"I have used pheroes for one year now without results.\"

Not being sarcastic....what makes you think that trying it for a longer period of time your remaining pheromone will work on you? I have suggestion...just donate your remaining pheromone to the guys here and you will be cool dude/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif here in the forum.

ironration
05-02-2003, 09:42 AM
Well, I paid for them. So I will use them until they run out. Also we need to get a more balanced reporting done. Now it is \"hit stories\" or no stories at all. I will report all my field tests from now on, no matter the results.

I wonder how many people with below average looks that actually benefit from pheromones. Maybe they should label them \"will only work if you already are attractive\".

travis
05-02-2003, 10:18 AM
Maybe they should label them \"will only work if you already are attractive\".



Maybe your right !! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

TBiRD
05-02-2003, 10:39 AM
instead of jambat OD , try the direct opposite...enaugh -nol to create a friendly aura around yourself + just a tad of -none (preferably TE if available)

+ repeat the mall testing day ! I\'m sure u will notice something !

If not then its your bacteria + natural pheros messing things up. Again no big deal.

Do the following : Repeat the mall day ! Prior to going out , shower for a long time and use lots of soap on groin + pits ! Then apply pheros only to your clothing , don\'t even touch them with your fingers , drop directly from the dropper on clothing , go out !

THAT WILL WORK FOR YOU GUARANTEED ! If even that doesn\'t work....its \"probably\" your looks. Still , \"looks\" aren\'t always a final excuse for not working mones. I\'ve seen and heard of so many ugly men getting hotties , that it only can be related to pheros or hook up skills !

Speaking on hook up skills work on them , there is enaugh information available to make u a womanizer even without pheros , even if u have 10 moles on your nose , u can still date 9\'s and 10\'s !

If even that all fails , concentrate on making lots of money , and attract some gold-diggers !

Just don\'t give up to early because of looks , thats a lame excuse !!!!

tallmacky
05-02-2003, 11:53 AM
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Maybe they should label them \"will only work if you already are attractive\".

Maybe your right !! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


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Come on bro that\'s not cool, ironation needs help and we are to help him, yeah its been a year but lets not give up iron and lets not try to destroy someones last remaining hope and willingness travis.

I think you are putting a stronger emphasis on looks ironation, if you know a bit about phero\'s for a girl to get a good vibe of you looks are put on the backburner for the most part. I think by now you would have had one glance or look just the fact that you are the center of a smell that women love.

Phantom
05-02-2003, 12:03 PM
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185 cm, 90kilo. Dark (thinning) hair. I am in decent shape. My looks may be a bit below average but I am not ugly (I think).

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Thats the hairless poodle guy.....

F!CK IT just throw every single bottle of every pheromone product on yourself!, you won\'t get laid but you\'ll get a concussion! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

ironration
05-02-2003, 12:13 PM
Hm Phantom... I am not sure what would be the point of doing that?

tallmacky
05-02-2003, 12:17 PM
I doubt they are interested in helping but maybe getting in a sly comment? Who knows, imagine if you were in someone else\'s shoes guys, your love life is sucking pretty bad, you see an ad for pheros somewhere you decided hey why not? You then get your expectations up to just realize that hey this sucks and nothing is working.

Yeah a year is a very long time to see no progress, and the fact stands that pheromones work for any guy maybe not as much or in a different way but they work. I do not understand why it is not working in your case. You speak of your appearence do you have a picture of yourself, because I cannot think if anything at this time maybe when I am dropping bombs on my toilet I will think of something.

Ironation your case and experience has left me stumped,

Elana
05-02-2003, 12:33 PM
Some of you guys are being total dickheads.

Phantom
05-02-2003, 12:38 PM
lol I had a bad day /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Elana
05-02-2003, 12:40 PM
Hail Phantom..... King of the Dickheads. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

franki
05-02-2003, 12:41 PM
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tallmacky
05-02-2003, 12:41 PM
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lol I had a bad day /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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you have a bad day so you give someone else a bad day? hehe thats odd. Kind of like my grumpy ass math teacher that takes it out on the class what her dumb kids did.

Elana
05-02-2003, 12:42 PM
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gifOK then Franki....I remember my first beer too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Phantom
05-02-2003, 12:43 PM
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Hail Phantom..... King of the Dickheads. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Yea mines the biggest /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif!

Phantom
05-02-2003, 12:44 PM
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you have a bad day so you give someone else a bad day?

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yea, got a problem with that /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif?

franki
05-02-2003, 12:44 PM
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gifOK then Franki....I remember my first beer too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Huh, how do you know I have been drinking ...? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Elana
05-02-2003, 12:46 PM
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Yea mines the biggest !


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Please provide proof

Elana
05-02-2003, 12:47 PM
I am giving this thread back to the rightful owner. Let\'s get back on track.
Any advice for the OP?

upsidedown
05-02-2003, 01:01 PM
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I am giving this thread back to the rightful owner. Let\'s get back on track.
Any advice for the OP?

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Hey, Ironration, have you tried Watcher\'s new Mega Mix #1? What was that mix again? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Sorry Elana, I just couldn\'t resist. I deserve all the harsh remarks you hurl my way and I\'m ready to take them like a man. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

SonnyBlack
05-02-2003, 02:05 PM
hey iron...you tried WAGG yet bro??I was wondering since before trying WAGG, my results with pheros were not what I expected them to be ...but after incorporating it with some of my other love scent products (worked well with none and AE especially ), I saw very good results. WAGG works well for guys that produce alot of none and rone naturally as I suspect I do...you should give it a shot and combine it with your other products and see if it changes things...

PS: and all you other guys...take it easy on Iron...hes just looking for our help...I tell you...we guys have to learn to help each other a little more instead of always just looking to compete and mess with each other...

tallmacky
05-02-2003, 02:40 PM
The natural producing enough -none and -rone is a theory that I have a problem with, how could one naturally produce enough -none to compete and standout amoung the many of other males? If so why the increase in hits after applying -none?

Phantom
05-02-2003, 02:48 PM
Sorry for being an ass, I think it was just a none OD. For real lol cause after I took a shower I was nowhere near as hot-headed as before. 4 dabs of NPA and 8 inches of SOE is taking a toll on me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. i\'m actually thinking of toning it down a little. I can\'t wait for my PI/m to come /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif. 2 dabs of NPA, 1 drop of PI/m and 6 inches of SOE will be interesting /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif. I\'m also going to be ordering WAGG later this week so things will get interesting /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Skyy
05-02-2003, 02:51 PM
I was thinking of something similar, how do you plan on applying it and where?

monesrule
05-02-2003, 03:00 PM
i like wagg alot. i wind up putting it on mine skin because of the stench....i don\'t want that on my clothes. i can\'t go to the dry clearners every day to wash my sweaters.

I also put it on my side burns, can not on eyebrows.

SOE and WAGG makes men friendly as hell to me. I am not sure witch one it is, but it has been borderline ridiculous....though i have none on too.

Phantom
05-02-2003, 03:08 PM
I tend to apply the mones high in anone close to my face. Once I applyed 4 drops of NPA on the zipper part of my pants and girl\'s would go to DIHL HEAVEN looking at my crotch. lol, I would walk around and everyone would say \"nice pants\" ect.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif (never got those compliments from those pair of pants). So I thought that applying them to my face/neck would have the same effect. Girls usually DIHL while looking at my face and tell me I have such dreamy eyes...

I would probably split the drop of PI/m on my temples or cheeks (great for kissing) and the NPA and SOE on my neck since I don\'t wan\'t anything with oil on my face. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif, I can\'t wait for the PI/m to arrive.

monesrule
05-02-2003, 03:21 PM
phantom, what is your most regular amount you wear?

Four drops of NPA, eight inches of SOE? IS that what works best for you?

How much cologne do you use as a cover in terms of sprays? This is something that i have always been mixed up about. How much will cover the stench, and how much would just make you smell (even if good) too much. I can\'t stand being around someone with too much cologne on.

bundyburger
05-02-2003, 03:28 PM
On the crotch thing Phantom... I put AE just on my one wrist a couple of weeks or so ago, and that\'s all.

Had an appointment with the optomitrist (female). Was trying out some new contact lenses and had to wash my hands. She stood there staring at my hands , dazed for few seconds. Thought nothing much of it, maybe I wash my hands weird or something.lol

...anyway after that it was time to get something to eat. Went to Subway and when the girl who served me got to the register she typed in her sh!t and looked down at my hands with the money... and stood there for 4 or 5 seconds staring at it. I had to say \"Yoohoo...wakey wakey. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif \" and she snapped and told me how much I had to give her. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

As I walked out I remembered about the single drop of AE on that wrist. Got home, started eating and remembered the optomitrist one too.

One other time. It\'s hard to remember exactly what I was wearing but I think I had excess PI/m I had to get off my fingers so I rubbed it on the waist of my jocks. I do remember one girl in particular at the bar at one stage, staring at my crotch( I certainly didn\'t have a hard on!) . I\'ve written about this night and it\'s other hits somewhere else here.

Along with the seemingly directional effects of phero\'s most other times I\'m fascinated with how the VNO may be that sensitive to directional scents.

Phantom
05-02-2003, 03:31 PM
Actually I did\'nt put on any cologne today, I wanted to test the length of time the scent of SOE would last. It lasted for about 4 hours and it did a pretty good job at covering the NPA (that would be a great time to pull out your favorite cologne and spray it on).

Not 4 drops, 4 dabs right out of the top of the NPA dropper. I\'m still trying to find out what works best for me, but I think it\'s a journey all pheromone users take.

Phantom
05-02-2003, 03:34 PM
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Along with the seemingly directional effects of phero\'s most other times I\'m fascinated with how the VNO may be that sensitive to directional scents.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Yea these girls are like bloodhounds! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

monesrule
05-02-2003, 03:35 PM
Will AE stain pants (i.e. not jeans pants, but the same cloth they make cargo pants from -- without the pockets)?

bundyburger
05-02-2003, 04:02 PM
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Will AE stain pants (i.e. not jeans pants, but the same cloth they make cargo pants from -- without the pockets)?

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Not permenantly, but they will stain (like water does to them) while the substance is concentrated on them.

For an example, with the cargo pants I\'d put a drop on my finger tip and lightly rub that drop just on the inside of the pocket, just to be safe. It\'ll still work there.

If you like test a drop on the bottom pant leg or something where it won\'t be noticable if you get it wrong.
It doesn\'t work putting a drop on the inside either, the AE will soak through almost instantly! ...SO rub the drop from your finger tips or something. Where ever you put it on light cloth.


Keep in mind the possibility of contamination by touching it with your fingers. But it\'s worked for me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

monesrule
05-02-2003, 04:06 PM
what about on the inside of the fly, (not on the zipper part).

I do not want it to look like i wet myself.

Elana
05-02-2003, 04:24 PM
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I do not want it to look like i wet myself.

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How much are you planning on putting on? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Phantom
05-02-2003, 04:33 PM
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I do not want it to look like i wet myself.
How much are you planning on putting on? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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LOL /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

oscar
05-02-2003, 04:48 PM
\"Is that a pheromone stain on your pants? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
...Or are you just happy to see me?\" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Whiffy
05-02-2003, 04:49 PM
One word: Gunwitch

Elana
05-02-2003, 04:49 PM
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\"Is that a pheromone stain on your pants?
...Or are you just happy to see me?\"

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If I had a penny for all the times I said that to a man....

monesrule
05-02-2003, 05:17 PM
i want to put one drop. elana, do you ever put it on your crotch and it looks like you had your period?

Elana
05-02-2003, 05:21 PM
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i want to put one drop. elana, do you ever put it on your crotch and it looks like you had your period?

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Sometimes I squirt Ketchup on my crotch so guys think I have my period and don\'t hit on me.

bundyburger
05-02-2003, 07:27 PM
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Sometimes I squirt Ketchup on my crotch so guys think I have my period and don\'t hit on me.

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*&lt;sigh&gt;* ...to have your kind of problem.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

bundyburger
05-02-2003, 07:33 PM
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what about on the inside of the fly, (not on the zipper part).

I do not want it to look like i wet myself.

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...yeah try it.

I\'m only saying to do a test application first on an area of fabric that won\'t be noticable. So use your finger or something, use your d!ck for all I care, you never know it might work /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif . Dripping a drop straight from the dropper on to most clothes will \'soak\' that part of the fabric.

Anyway your not putting on enough to look like you wet yourself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Skyy
05-02-2003, 08:03 PM
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i want to put one drop. elana, do you ever put it on your crotch and it looks like you had your period?

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Sometimes I squirt Ketchup on my crotch so guys think I have my period and don\'t hit on me.

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mmMmM i have some french fries /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

ironration
05-02-2003, 08:44 PM
SonnyBlack: Yes I have tried WAGG but it is the pheromone I have exerimented the least with. Since it does not smell anything I will try to incorporate it today and see what happens.

Hungry
05-03-2003, 01:59 AM
Hi ironration.

You\'ve mentioned in a couple of other threads that you\'ve tried larger doses, but I\'m wondering if you\'ve tried very small doses.

Like you I consider myself not particularly attractive, but pheromones seem to be working pretty well for me at the moment, although for the first couple of months the combinations I tried just didn\'t work for me. But you know what, it wasn\'t just the pheromones, I changed many things over the last few months and have improved a lot of things about myself, and I\'m sure that helped a great deal. Things like taking more pride in my appearance, a new wardrobe, a better attitude etc, that I think are generally more important than both looks and pheromones. So could you tell us a little more about yourself besides what you\'ve given us so far?

Things to consider:
1) Are you shy or confident?
2) Are you optimistic or pessimistic?
2) How do you dress?
3) What\'s your posture like?
4) What\'s your usual facial expression? (cheerful, grim, sour, nervous, etc)
5) Can you hold an interesting conversation with people (in particular with women)?
6) What\'s your hygiene like? (BO, cleanliness etc)
7) What\'s your dental hygiene like? (Bad breath, teeth etc)

etc etc

Sorry for getting so personal, but any one of these things or a dozen other things could be ruining your chances, so they\'re all things you need to think about. I had to deal with some of these things myself, and I\'m still working on a couple.

Anyway, give it some thought.


Hungry

Elana
05-03-2003, 02:43 AM
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mmMmM i have some french fries


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That was even gross for Elana\'s standards. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

EXIT63
05-03-2003, 03:03 AM
Standards!?

Elana
05-03-2003, 03:06 AM
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Standards!?

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Yeah, that did sound pretty funny, didn\'t it? lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

ironration
05-03-2003, 03:20 AM
1) Are you shy or confidant?
Well I can hold a lecture in front of 200 people without getting nervous. However, I do not have the confidence to just approach someone in the street and pick her up. I am trying to NLP myself into that kind of confidence though, but it just gets harder the more I think about it.

2) Are you optimistic or pessimistic?
Hm I would answer neither. When I was younger I was more of a pessimist, although nowadays I think I am more in between.

3) How do you dress?
Hm, casual. I am not following fashion and stuff. Lately I have bought some nice cloths though, trying to improve my looks.

3) What\'s your posture like?
I think there is something about me that is quite stiff, although I try to be relaxed. I don’t hunch, but I don’t walk with the confidence of a Russian gangster either.

4) What\'s your usual facial expression?
Not sure. Inwards oriented? If I don’t actively focus outwards I guess my expression is pretty neutral.

5) Can you hold an interesting conversation with people (in particular with women)?
Sure, although it requires that we have something in common. I am not that good at smalltalking casually to someone I do not know. I am better at talking 1on1 with people, or 1:200, then in small groups with people I do not know.

6) What\'s your hygiene like? (BO, cleanliness etc)
I shower once a day. I am not obsessed with cleanliness and I don’t think I stink either.

7) What\'s your dental hygiene like?
Good.

Phantom
05-03-2003, 03:35 AM
Always try to smile no matter what mood your in, it will show people that your not the avarage guy but a person who\'s confident in himself. Girls find guys who smile more attractive and approachable. That might work, also try using a minimalist amount of mone\'s and build up. like 3 inches of SOE and 1 dab of NPA, don\'t wear to much aNone or you will be seen as hostile.

TBiRD
05-03-2003, 04:18 AM
I don\'t hunch, but I don\'t walk with the confidence of a Russian gangster either .

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Try it , you will like it. Btw u didn\'t comment on my suggestions. Have u already tried washing + clothing application ?

+ the thing with : \"I try to nlp myself into approaching women\"

DUDE , believe me , I\'ve been there ! I \'ve been shy too , and guess what it a waste of your lifetime !
Grab your balls (actually just think of it) imagine your al pacino and de niro combined - jump the cold water and walk up to her , say Hi ! Thats it , thats the magic pick up formula ! This actually MADE A BIG difference in my life.
Afterall , with millions of women around , WHAT DO U HAVE TO LOOSE if u mess u with one ?! Nothing ! Its her missing out a great chance.

Another wondeful and simple thing to consider :

IF SHE FEELS ATTRACTED TO U AND LIKES U (wich can be very possible , but u never know unless u walk up and say hi) IT DOESN\'t matter how u look , what u say (more or less) - bECAUSE to this girl You ARE GOOD LOOKING and attractive !
Contrary - if she doesn\'t feel attracted - nothing wll really help , not looks , no nice clothing , pheros whatever. She will simply let u know she is not interested. Well ok, HER FAULT , instantly forget about her and ON to the next girl.

I mean WTF is this , u have the balls to speak infront of 200 people ( wich I wouldn\'t have - unless I would REALLY know what I\'m talking about , and even then I would be nervous) but we are talking about STRANGERs here. Its not your family/friends , it doesnt matter if u mess up , u don\'t have to excuse for anything. With all this in mind - HOW CAN ANYONE BE SHY ???? Thats stupid , a waste of your life time , a lame excuse not to jump the cold water. YOu tryin to get a girl for your own good not to show off infront of friends.

I mean, once u do approach , it will be so much easier from then on !

Have u actually EVER read gunwitch:

He says a very interesting thing about looks and effort (pheros don\'t even count)

Enjoy reading this AND F*cking DO it ! Don\'t expect pheros to the job for u if they haven\'t in a year !

Looks, Effort, and their Interrelation:

Looks scale: -1- being the worst conceivable, and 10 being the best.
Effort scale (amount of women approached and overall drive to ensure sex with them): -1- being utterly rarely, -5- being a few on weekends or acquaintances from social circles, and -10- being at least three new women per day. -1- drive = will say hello to a woman but not much else, -5- will try to get her interested in him until the first sign of trouble or disinterest, -10- will outright make her become angry or verbally reject you 100% before even considering moving on.

Take a guy who is a -1- in looks (perhaps fat, short, hideous face, balding, old, smelly, poorly dressed, etc.), but a -10- in effort. This guy will STILL land women who are -5.5s- once in while, and -3-\'s- frequently.

To explain, allocate 1 total point for every 2 points on the scale, for what you can get with maximum effort. So, if you are a -10- in looks, but only exert a -1- in effort, you can probably still sex -5.5s- (ie. 11 divided by 2) on occasion, and approximately half of that, or -3s-, whenever you are inclined. Eventually you will arrive at someplace in between your -maximum- capacity and your -easy- capacity for your regular quality of women.

I, for instance, am maybe an &amp;#8211;8- in looks (short, ok face, good built body, well dressed and groomed), and a -10- in effort. So dividing by two, we allocate 4 points for looks and 5 points for effort, arriving at a 9 at -maximum- capacity, and approx. 5 at -easy- capacity. I have of course gotten some 10s in my day, but that\'s just the deviation, as women higher than 6 would be for Example Guy #1. So to recap:

Example Guy 1:

-1-LOOKS + -10-EFFORT = 11,

THEREFORE,

MAXIMUM CAPACITY = 5.5, EASY CAPACITY = approx. 3

Gunwitch:

-8-LOOKS + -10-EFFORT = 18,

THEREFORE,

MAXIMUM CAPACITY = 9, EASY CAPACITY = approx. 5

What creates the extra points from effort is that you meet MORE women, so SOME of these women will find even the guy with -1-looks/-10-effort somewhat attractive. Probably the best that he will ever do is a 6 who somehow finds him attractive. Mr -10-looks/-1-effort could go out approaching at a 5.5 in effort and change his whole lot, because he would meet so many more women who would find him attractive, or who have trouble saying no to his advances, but instead he takes the easy ones. His loss. By the way, Mr.-10-looks/-1-effort, and Mr. &amp;#8211;1-looks/-10-effort are both REAL people that I know, and it works out about the same for both of them with women. If Mr. -1-looks/-10-effort suddenly stopped meeting and trying to seduce new women, he would probably go to his grave never having had sex again, unless maybe with some chance woman of his low calibre were to come along and make the effort herself.








Look DUDE , the TRUTH U NEED TO FACE IS : You are not successfull because U CARE WAY too much about what others ( even strangers) think or might think about u. Loose this attitude , and gunwitch your way 2 success. As you can see , even with average looks but a good effort u can still get hotties. I tested most of this myself. Im rated by younger girls as 7-8 and 8-9 by older women. Sure I get lots of attention when clubbing /because of looks height and the pheros) , but when it comes to actually getting approached by women without ANY effort at all - then I get approached like once or twice by girls/women on a whole clubbing night. THIS is my no effort capacity , even though as good dressed , as good looking , as phero loaded , as possible.

So when I actually make some effort on my side - Its a whole new world. Walk around , smalltalk about spontanious things that just come to my mind : \"HEy watch out , the candle might burn your nice hair\" (Bamm! I\'m her hero who just saved her from a hair disaster) While standing next to a bar. On the dancefloor , approach and dance with hotties , become a womanizer. Its really really easy.
And its a self fulfilling prophecy : Once u actually stand in the middle of the club and dance with a nice girl YOU DOUBLE AND TRIPLE the interest of all the other single girls around !

tallmacky
05-03-2003, 04:55 AM
good article TBiRD, I think ironation is pretty much very very restrictive and closed off, if you are looks are around a 4-5 like you said iron and you put in 1 for effort I am guessing that makes a total of 5 or 6 going by the article.

I don\'t remember ever putting in any effort I would say my effort is 1 or in the negatives hahah but if its workin\' I don\'t see the point of changing. Though I could seal more deals.

Elana
05-03-2003, 04:57 AM
Tallmacky....I would definitely give you negatives in effort. You can be a total bastard./ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

tallmacky
05-03-2003, 05:00 AM
those negatives may turn out to be positives in my case to you E

Elana
05-03-2003, 05:01 AM
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tallmacky
05-03-2003, 05:06 AM
confused what are you having a DIHL?

SonnyBlack
05-04-2003, 02:42 PM
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Kifer85
05-04-2003, 05:22 PM
Iron- here\'s an idea:

You haven\'t said exactly what you give lectures on yet, but no matter what it is, make yourself available afterwords. Say something like \"feel free to approach me\" or \"I\'d be happy to answer you questions in private\". Again, I would imagine that if you are giving lectures, you would be able to tie this in somehow.

Anyway, so after your lecture, see if any attractive women approach you. If you came accross as knowledgable and confidant, that could be enough for most women. When you talk with these women, either offer them your number for future questions, or ask if they would like to get coffee sometime to continue the discussion.

Now you have something to talk about, and have maintained interest with a target women! the mones should only make this easier.

I\'m only speculating since I have idea as to the nature of your lectures, but i would imagine that something along these lines would work for you.

monesrule
05-04-2003, 05:30 PM
if you are lecturing and dealing with college students, by no means do this. that is an unfair thing to do to a student.