L-arginine

[phersurf]

I started taking this amino acid about 2 weeks ago and I don\'t think I will ever stop!

One of it\'s metabolites is nitric oxide. Nitric oxide is essential for hard erections in men and orgasms in women. Nitric oxide relaxes the blood vessels around the genetile area creating more blood flow into that region. More blood flow = stronger erections in men and more consistant orgasms in women. Sounds like a win-win to me.

[Phantom]

How much do you take?

[phersurf]

About 3 grams per day split into several doses taken on an empty stomach.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I\'ve been taking it, too, and I\'ll never stop. I\'ve been taking 500 mg morning and night on an empty stomach. I\'ve had much longer lasting and much stronger orgasms since I\'ve been taking it.

[druid]

3 GRAMS? Man I hope they sell it in bulk. I started taking it recently but not as much as you guys.

[DrSmellThis]

Well thanks for taking ime out of your...ahem...busy schedule to post! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Whitehall]

You can buy this stuff by the pound or kilo several places.

I don\'t take it regularly but it is great for those sexy, intense weekends when you want to recharge quickly and often. It is an essential component of seminal fluid so can swell one\'s prostate gland.

One can take much more than three grams too. It is especially valuable for vegetarians since meat-eaters have more in their diet.

[phersurf]

Most people get about 5 grams per day in their diet. 8 grams is the recomended (not FDA) daily intake. That\'s why the 3 grams per day.

[Bruce]

God bless you folks. This stuff is a real find. I am a dedicated vegetarian and must be low in L-arginine. I bought a bottle yesterday afternoon, took 2 500mg caps immediately and then a couple more in the evening. Major difference. The best thing about it is that the experience is so relaxing. I used to take yohimbe extract every now and then for a wild night, but I finally gave it up because it makes you so darned agressive and you don\'t get any sleep. All the love and tenderness went out of sex. This L-arginine is great; very mellow but the equipment is still in top form.
Thanks a million!!!!
Bruce

[MOBLEYC57]

L-arginine - Tis a good find, but don\'t stop at its label...please read up on it. Like everything else...it can be very harmful. Don\'t quote me on it, but I think it was said that 1000mg per day is a good practice.

[Bruce]

Mobes,
I definitely won\'t quote you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif The average meat eater is getting 5 times that just from the food they eat. Complicate that with being a vegetarian and having a 53 year old\'s digestive system, I\'ll take my chances on 3 grams/day. When you consider the alternatives like Viagra and yohimbe, you couldn\'t ask for a healthier safer and more enjoyible romance enhancer. I\'m quite sure to come up with a \"very dangerous\" dose, you\'d have to measure it in kilos rather than milligrams.
Bruce

[phersurf]

One of the side efects of taking too much arginine is diarrhea /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

It takes some adjustment to get it right (just like pheros). I cut back slightly and the problem has subsided. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Cloud9]

I think Yohimbe works great. It is actually approved by the FDA as a safer alternative to Viagra for heart patients. I think as long as you are careful with the dosage Yohimbe is much better than L-arginine for erection strength/erections and performance. Why not combine the two for a better effect.

[Bruce]

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I think Yohimbe works great. It is actually approved by the FDA as a safer alternative to Viagra for heart patients. I think as long as you are careful with the dosage Yohimbe is much better than L-arginine for erection strength/erections and performance. Why not combine the two for a better effect.

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Maybe I was overdoing the yohimbe extract, but it was making me nervous/agressive and keeping me awake for a long time. I still remember the first time I took it. I took one large cap, didn\'t notice anything, took another, had incredible sex for a couple of hours then stayed up the rest of the night by myself, amoung other things, watching the Matrix beginning to end twice. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif It\'s fun for the occassional Saturday night when you really want to rock and roll, but the Arginine is something you can take every day and just generally keep the equipment in shape; have fun and still get some sleep. That\'s my take on it anyway (thus far).
Bruce

[Cloud9]

where do you get your l-arginine in a high enough miligram? Mostly they have low mgs capsules on the web. I know you need atleast 1000mg to be beneficial most likely.

[Whitehall]

Usually it comes in 500 mg capsules - take 6 or 10 for a good time. The cheap way is to buy in bulk - one kilo is cheap.
Then you can add a scope to your smoothie or into your orange juice.

[Cloud9]

KickA$$, I found some 1000mg pharmaceutical grade quickdisolve capsules from jarrow formulas for 12.00 per 100capsules! www.Iherb.com (\"http://www.Iherb.com\")(search for Arginine)

[phersurf]

Yohimbe is more of a direct route to the desired result, but l-arginie feels like a more natural erection to me. Some other very effective things to try are,

Maca root- this is better than yohimbe, IMHO. Does not cause nervousness and sleeplessness. Takes about a week to notice effects.

Catuba (sp)- form Brazil. As good as Maca. Increases sperm output and motility.

Horney goatweed - has a more imediate effect than either of the above. Take 1 hour before activity.

Even with these and yohimbe, continue the l-arginine for over all penile health.

[Cloud9]

well none of the above inscrease blood flow to the genitals and keep it there like Yohimbe. it also maintains an erection. the only side-effect i don\'t like to Yohimbe is taking it too late and keeping you up. L-arginine increase NO production and helps to maintain erections.

[Cloud9]

How long do you take Arginine before \"activity\" 45min, 1hr, 2hrs?

[Whitehall]

I\'m a little fuzzy on the best time to action too. I\'ve tried it several ways and what seems to work best for an evening date is to eat one or two grams at regular intervals through the day then 3 grams an hour before. There is probably a more effective way.

Two things are happening with l-arginine. One, it supplies the nitrous oxide for erection but it also is necessary for seminal fluid production. The latter is a long lead time activity.

I really use l-arginine when I\'ve got a busy sexual schedule and I\'ll be ejaculating several times over a short period - say, a weekend. I\'ll hit the arginine before and throughout the weekend so that I\'m replenishing those vital bodily fluids as I\'m sharing them.

A lack of l-arginine in the diet, say from a strict vegan diet, can cause a lack of interest in sex. In that case, supplemental l-arginine can make a huge difference.

[Cloud9]

I am thinking 2000mg 1-2hours before activity would work well. Also take 800-1100mg of yohimbe 2hours before activity works very well.

[Whitehall]

I\'ve played a lot with yohimbe and find it quite useful.

The best time was from making a tea. Simmer 4 tablespoons in water with one tablespoon of ascorbic acid (vit. C) for half an hour. Cool and strain then add lot\'s of honey or sugar.

Take one shot glass at 15 minutes intervals until you start to feel the first effects. Then stop taking more for at least half an hour so you know how strong it will be.

A big dose will give you hypersensitive skin, warm shivers up you spine, and a bit of paranoia/anxiety. You can take it to full psycedelic levels but it wouldn\'t be pleasant.

I\'ve found pure yohimbine to be a cleaner effect but sometimes the old voodoo was fun. The raw herb yohimbe has many other compounds in it so the effects differ considerably. The easiest way is to get some HerbPharm or Gaia yohimbe extract - 10 to 20 drops in a little warm water is a good first time dose and avoids some of the digestive effects of the capsules or tea.

[Cloud9]

yeah, I noticed the pyscho-sideeffects. I generally take 1000-1100mg of yohimbe 2 hours before sexual activity, and it works well. The key is to find a high quality form of yohimbe.

[phersurf]

All the reading I\'ve done on l-arginine states that it\'s effect is not felt until about 2 weeks after continuous use (actually some say 4-6 weeks). Since it is a neccessary compoment for Nitic Oxide production, it takes a while for the the levels of l-arginine to build up in your system, then it takes awhile for the NO production to increase. I noticed a difference about 11 days after I started on it.

[Whitehall]

There is a downside to taking l-arginine. It seems that herpes viruses feed on the stuff so cold sores or genital herpes can flare if you start a regime of supplemental l-arginine.

[Cloud9]

that sucks.

[Whitehall]

The good news is that l-lysine, another amino acid, helps control herpes when taken as a supplement.

[nonscents]

I have the PDR (Physician\'s Desk Reference) for supplements and it casts doubt on the herpes/L-arginine connection.

Do you l-arginine users find it\'s best on an empty stomach or doesn\'t it make a difference?

[Phantom]

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There is a downside to taking l-arginine. It seems that herpes viruses feed on the stuff so cold sores or genital herpes can flare if you start a regime of supplemental l-arginine.


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> lucky I don\'t got herpes /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Whitehall]

It happened to a friend of mine so I have one data point (she took it at my recommendation!) plus its reputation.

If it happens to you, you\'ll know soon enough.

[phersurf]

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Do you l-arginine users find it\'s best on an empty stomach or doesn\'t it make a difference?

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Every brand I\'ve looked at says to take it at least 1/2 hour before a meal.

[Cloud9]

what were the noticed effects from the users on here from taking L-Arginine?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Longer, harder orgasms.

I\'ve never had herpes. My sort of vague understanding is that everybody has the herpes virus but not everyone manifests it ... if L-arginine encourages it, it hasn\'t done it to me. I\'ve been taking it for well over a month.

[phersurf]

After about 11-12 days, I noticed stronger, harder erections, more spontanious erections, better orgasms and better sexual stamina (not that I had any problems with any of these things/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif, they just all seemed to improve).

[Whitehall]

For some amino acids, taking them on an empty stomach is important. That\'s because you want those aminos to cross the blood/brain barrier but since there is only a limited permability you wouldn\'t want other aminos to compete for the limited pathways. That\'s why 5-HTP and l-phenylanaline need to be taken on an empty stomach or at least not concurrent with consumption of proteins.

L-arginine is somewhat different as the target is not the brain but the penis where the competitive pathways issue is irrelevant.

There is a use for l-arginine where taking it at bedtime is important and that\'s to stimulate human growth hormone production. The target there is the brain so an empty stomach or at least no other amino acids might be significant.

Taking a big dose of l-arginine on an empty stomach can sometimes be challenging.

[Cloud9]

I take L-Carnosine at bedtime, so I wouldn\'t want to take L-Arginine then. I value the effects of L-Carnosine much more than L-Arginine. I\'ll take it 45min-1hr before activities.

[phersurf]

Just remember, this is not something you can take just when you want to feel the effects, like Viagra. It takes a while for your body to utilize it to produce Nitric oxide. If you stop taking it for a week or 2, you will have to start the 2-4 week \"loading\" period all over again.

[Cloud9]

do other amino acids compete together only in digestion, or do they compete in the blood stream also. say I take one amino acid hours prior to another amino acid and they are both in the blood stream at the same time, but not in digestion together?

[Whitehall]

Pure amino acids are not exactly \"digested\" - proteins are digested (broken down) to make amino acids. Taking straight aminos do have to be assimilated.

First, they enter the bloodstream through the small intestine and are then routed through the liver. The liver doesn\'t do much to pure aminos so they then enter general circulation. For some, the blood/brain barrier limits admission to the neurons of the brain.

If you want a specific amino to get into the brain than you have to avoid competition. There is a list of, I think, 9 aminos that compete for limited flow path into the neurons. L-arginine is not one of them I believe

Hence, you can take l-arginine and l-phenylanaline or you could take l-arginine and tryptomine (serotoin precursor) but not tryptomine and l-phenylanaline together if you want them to enter your brain.

[Cloud9]

L-carnosine deposites into Brain and muscle tissue. So how far apart would I have to use L-arginine and L-carnosine.

[Whitehall]

I don\'t think it matters since l-arginine is not targeted to the brain.

[Cloud9]

Thanks, I\'ll just take it daily I suppose in the early afternoon since I take L-carnosine on an empty stomach at night and in the morning.

[phersurf]

I found these products that seem promising. They are called Natural Arousal for men and Natural Sensation for women. They are topical L-Arginine applications that are supposed to have instant results instead of the several weeks it takes oral ingestion. Here is the website for all those interested,
http://www.naturalpleasure.com/. (\"http://www.naturalpleasure.com/.\")

I\'m always skeptical of topical applications because of the logistic problem of absorption through the skin. But I ordered some and will report back my findings.

[Whitehall]

I\'ve been through a few bottles of both of these products and can say that they really work for both men and women. They heat the genitals as advertised and cause mutually pleasurable engorgement.

There are two downsides, both involving the penetration enhancer used - sodium chloride (plain salt). Sometimes the salt will slowly crystalize out of the lotion and become gritty. The second issue is that the stuff is salty so if oral sex is part of the menu then expect a salty snack.

[nonscents]

I took 1/2 tablespoon of l-arginine poweder in water this morning. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Nasty tasting stuff. Well, I\'ll be a long-term hedonist on this one--seconds of disgust are worth hours of ecstasy. Would someone please let me know when I start engaging in long bursts of ecstatic behavior?

[phersurf]

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I took 1/2 tablespoon of l-arginine poweder in water this morning. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Nasty tasting stuff. Well, I\'ll be a long-term hedonist on this one--seconds of disgust are worth hours of ecstasy. Would someone please let me know when I start engaging in long bursts of ecstatic behavior?

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As I posted earlier, every thing I read states that the effects are not noticable for 2-4 weeks, one site even says 6 weeks. And if you discontinue use for a week or so, you will have to start the whole 2-4 week period over. It is also recommended that the 3 grams per day are split into 3 doses taken on an empty stomach with a high carbo drink for better absorption.

I noticed an improvement in about 12 days.

[Whitehall]

At half a tablespoon once a day, you\'ll see no difference unless you suffer from a dietary protein deficiency.

Put a couple of TABLESPOONS in a smoothie or eat 9+ half gram capsules.

The effects of l-arginine are subtle for most people.

[nonscents]

Whitehall, thanks for all your input on this, but:
9 half-gram capsules is 4.5 gms. My bottle says one heaping teaspoon was 4 grams. I took 1/2 tablespoon, or 1.5 teaspoons. So I exceeded your dose. But I will try mixing the powder with some more palatable tasting stuff.

[HornyMan]

I find now at 33 that my balls simply don\'t produce the amount of semen they did at 18 -- this is just the process of aging. Now I know that ejaculating 3 times a day was quite normal for me at 18 (though I\'d feel ill the next day), I would be thrilled if my balls produced enough semen to ejaculate once a day now at 33. Sure I could pull of 2 ejaculations a day now but I\'d feel the ill effects of it the next day and probably not be able to cum and produce strong erections for the next several days.

Aside from Arginine, is there any other herbs, vitamins, or proteins that help build up your load? I suffer from fairly low libido, low semen production (not sperm count but cum), and difficultly maintaining hard erections.

[Whitehall]

I stand corrected!

I\'ll be more careful next time. If you\'re eating an extra 6 (?) grams per day then you might see some effects.

[EXIT63]

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I find now at 33 that my balls simply don\'t produce the amount of semen they did at 18

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Well....that\'s more than I needed to know! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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I find now at 33 that my balls simply don\'t produce the amount of semen they did at 18 -- this is just the process of aging. Now I know that ejaculating 3 times a day was quite normal for me at 18 (though I\'d feel ill the next day), I would be thrilled if my balls produced enough semen to ejaculate once a day now at 33. Sure I could pull of 2 ejaculations a day now but I\'d feel the ill effects of it the next day and probably not be able to cum and produce strong erections for the next several days.

Aside from Arginine, is there any other herbs, vitamins, or proteins that help build up your load? I suffer from fairly low libido, low semen production (not sperm count but cum), and difficultly maintaining hard erections.



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You don\'t need herbs and vitamins -- you need a new lover!

[Elana]

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You don\'t need herbs and vitamins -- you need a new lover!

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Why? He get\'s along just fine with his right hand. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Andy]

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I find now at 33 that my balls simply don\'t produce the amount of semen they did at 18 -- this is just the process of aging. Now I know that ejaculating 3 times a day was quite normal for me at 18 (though I\'d feel ill the next day), I would be thrilled if my balls produced enough semen to ejaculate once a day now at 33. Sure I could pull of 2 ejaculations a day now but I\'d feel the ill effects of it the next day and probably not be able to cum and produce strong erections for the next several days.

Aside from Arginine, is there any other herbs, vitamins, or proteins that help build up your load? I suffer from fairly low libido, low semen production (not sperm count but cum), and difficultly maintaining hard erections.

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I\'d visit a med., because I don\'t think it\'s normal to experience ill effects. I never had any in the past and coming multiple times should be no problem, at least not at the age of 33. Your semen load might be going down after many ejaculations, but the carrier should be at nominal level after 24h.

[Whitehall]

The male body releases different amounts of seminal fluid containing different amounts and types of sperm, depending on the circumstances.

Note that the seminal fluid is produced by the prostate while the sperm that swim inside it are produced by the testes - two different things.

When a guy masturbates, he releases a smaller amount of fluid. When he\'s in sperm competition, he\'ll give his best load - more fluid and more sperm. The opacity of the ejaculate may vary noticably too - thick and creamy means lots of sperm; a clearer fluid means less sperm.

What I\'ve noticed is that by using a touch of PCC or EW to the upper lip during masturbation, I fool my body into \"thinking\" I\'m with a woman and I release a larger load then when I don\'t sense copulins.

One great application for l-arginine is to increase seminal fluid production - l-arginine is a vital constituent of the fluid and repeated ejaculations can exhaust the body\'s ready supply of fluid. Taking lots of supplemental l-arginine helps the body replenish its supply. If I know I\'m going to have a hot weekend with lots of sex, I\'ll load up on l-arginine a few days before hand and continue to take it throughout the weekend. My lovers are usually amazed.

If you\'re losing production as you say, then you should see a doctor. A vascetomy can signal you body to reduce production but it could be a prostate problem, potentially very serious. At the age of 33, you had better keep on top of this issue.

[Gerund]

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The opacity of the ejaculate may vary noticably too -

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Only Whitehall could use 3 four-syllable words in one sentence when talking about cum~ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

(Sorry Whitehall, I couldn\'t resist)

[Whitehall]

Just attempting to delicately expound upon culturally sensitive biological topics.

You have no idea how having a big vocabulary can be such a burden! When there is the right word, albeit big, one has trouble compromising on a poor, more common substitute.

[DrSmellThis]

zinc, pumpkin seeds by the handfuls!

[monesrule]

I suffer from fairly low libido, low semen production (not sperm count but cum), and difficultly maintaining hard erections. &gt;&gt;&gt; is that why you call yourself \"hornyman\"

[nonscents]

OK I\'ve been taking 1.5 tablespoons once per day for 3 days and I think I detect positive effects already. The downside is that I think the stuff is upsetting my gut. I have a sensitive gut that is easily upset. If the arginine is the cause I\'ll return it.

The PDR says stomach upset is seen at doses much higher than I am taking. I always knew that I was special.

[xvs]

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Aside from Arginine, is there any other herbs, vitamins, or proteins that help build up your load? I suffer from fairly low libido, low semen production (not sperm count but cum), and difficultly maintaining hard erections.


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See here: http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html (\"http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html\")

[Whitehall]

Are you taking it with food or on an empty stomach? The latter would make you more prone to upset.

I personally doubt that taking it with food would decrease its effectiveness since it is, ultimately, just a food building block.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I take it with food and it still works. Maybe it would work better on an empty stomach, who knows? but it still works taken with food.

Maybe try a little milk with it?

[nonscents]

I\'ve been taking it right before breakfast. I said yesterday I was going to stop, but I went ahead and took it this morning again. I didn\'t have any diarrhea today, so maybe it was a minor disruption that has passed. Maybe I\'ll make it through the whole bottle.

By the way, I think I mentioned in my first post that it has a nasty taste. Well, after the first day, it was still nasty but it didn\'t bother me as much. My bottle said \"tasteless powder\" on the outside and I\'ve taken l-glutamine in the past which tastes quite pleasant. So the taste of l-arginine came as a shock. But once I got over the initial shock, I adjusted, and it\'s not so bad. It\'s probably easier than taking 9 capsules.

[MOBLEYC57]

Sometimes when taking something new, your body has to adjust to it.

[Bruce]

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See here: http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html (\"http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html\")

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XVS,
Fantastic article.
Thanks,
B

[MAL224610]

beyond a century sells yuck away, great for getting rid of the taste of arginine.

[MAL224610]

Best supps for supporting sperm count.
Nothing is ever guaranteed.
Vitamin - A, C, E, Zinc and Selenium
Adding in - adding in Magnesium, Copper, and a healthy dose of ginseng might be just enough...I had a wicked formula awhile back, worked quite well, however It was never picked up.

[Phantom]

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Best supps for supporting sperm count.
Nothing is ever guaranteed.
Vitamin - A, C, E, Zinc and Selenium
Adding in - adding in Magnesium, Copper, and a healthy dose of ginseng might be just enough...I had a wicked formula awhile back, worked quite well, however It was never picked up.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> lol I take all of those plus L-arginine, I guess i\'m in good shape /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

[MAL224610]

pretty much, those are the predominant requirements for supporting male hormone production. However, B-Complex is often a required extra, but should be lower than 25 mg per day total(b-vitamins can actually become inhibitive of testosterone production at the higher doses, but are required supporters as well...

[Phantom]

I take a B-Complex as well, amoung other things.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Andy]

lol, I\'ve tested L-Arginine for about 3 weeks now and it makes helluva difference /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I am always leaving a mess when \"done\" with a girl, but this is *almost* too much /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

Btw ... hrhrhr ... Plus, I found a way to stay forever during the testing! Anybody interested? It\'s sooooo damn easy /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

[belgareth]

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Btw ... hrhrhr ... Plus, I found a way to stay forever during the testing! Anybody interested? It\'s sooooo damn easy /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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WHo wouldn\'t be? I sure am interested.

[Andy]

I am still not sure if it\'s a good idea to make it public ... it\'s a weapon. Ok, I\'ll share it with the first 3 that pm me .. just to verify it\'s effectiveness ;Þ.

[Elana]

Check your PM\'s. I PMed you three times. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[nonscents]

I\'ve been using the l-arginine for 3 weeks. It has a definite positive effect. Yesterday I ordered a pound of l-arginine powder by NOW Foods for $24.00 from NEEDS on the internet.

[Andy]

I think I\'ll have to show it during practical demonstration to you Elana.

[Andy]

Ok ... we are done guys ... three test volunteers .... sorry.

[CptKipling]

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I am still not sure if it\'s a good idea to make it public ... it\'s a weapon. Ok, I\'ll share it with the first 3 that pm me .. just to verify it\'s effectiveness ;Þ.

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This is against forum rules, mods!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

hehe /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Elana]

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This is against forum rules, mods!!!!

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Please don\'t ruin it for me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[franki]

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This is against forum rules, mods!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


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I am already corrupted, because he told me the secret. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Andy]

Don\'t panic, I\'ll test it, improve it and make it public later. It failed two times so far, I\'ll have to work on the technique.

[Andy]

One thing makes me wonder... I am a full fledged carnivore but I\'d like to do a veggie month, am I still reaping benefits from the ingestion of 3g L-Argi, or will I have to adjust the dosage somehow ? It doesn\'t make much sense to take an amount that takes me back to my usual ingestion amount.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Why do you want to do a veggie month? Have you ever done that before? It\'s a shock to your system and you could feel really weak without any meat.

I do ...

[Andy]

Yes I\'ve done it before, I do it actually every spring because I want to get rid of the slags that have been build up during winter. Lots of fruit juices, lots of veggies aso.

I feel better during summer and experience less allergic effects, that\'s the main point. But I don\'t want to slow down my L-Arginine build up, because I like the effects.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I guess you would have to estimate how much meat you eat in a day, find out how much L-arginine is in that amount of meat, add that amount to however much you take from supplements, and that will be the amount you need to take if you go vegetarian.

[pelotudo]

So for a normal healty male, is 1000mg day supplemental the consensus? Or should I up/lower it depending how much meat I eat?

[Andy]

I just took some books out of my library and read everything I could gather about L-Arginine. It\'s a non-essential aminoacid, that means the body is actually capable of synthesizing the needed amount. Meat is not even listed as a source of L-Argi but unrefined cereals, chocolate and nuts are. I read in different books and all! stated that amounts up to 1.5g are most likely! non-harmfull. Mental and metabolistic problems are listed as the main side effects in case the dose is too high. Kidney and Liver failure are stated as side effects for a high dosage over a long time period.

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Perfect. Eat fruits, vegetables, and a pound of peanut M&amp;M\'s every day, and you should be fine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Andy]

I don\'t think that\'s what I had in mind ;P .. But thanx anyway FTR. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif How about peanutbutter bannana sandwiches ? Oh, well, not a good idea ... look where those have taken the king .... *sigh*

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He deep fat friend those sandwiches, did you know that?

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[Andy]

Uh oh, I am scared folks ....

My present supplement mix is giving me a little trouble. I am not sure if I\'d call it a problem but here\'s what happened t\'day ....

I am actually on:

3g L-Arginine
1g Chrysin
1g Muira Puama
250mg Nettle extract
10mg Bioperine
10mg Niacin
2g different maca extracts
a little Ginkgo and Ginseng extract
all necessary vitamins

I am on this supp mix for about one week now (three weeks on L-Arginine) and today occured a major change. I\'ve been horny like hell, all day long. I\'ve been trapped in my house the entire morning because it was impossible to get my pants on. I called one of my, ummm, let\'s say female friends (sorry Elana, movin\' on wasn\'t that easy in the end /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) and had sex with her from around 1pm to 3pm. We watched a movie afterwards and had sex again from 4pm to 8pm. (The funny thing is I tried to watch this movie over and over again and have been interrupted at almost the same part again and again). Ok, that\'s not that special. I had a date with an old fvckbuddy at 10pm, we wanted to eat t\'gether and watch a movie afterwards. I swore I\'d never have anything goin\' with her again, because she got emotionally attached. Wrong place, wrong time .... We ended up having sex and I was only able to stop it by leavin\' around 3am. I wasn\'t able to control myself. Ok, at home finally, my legs are tired, the head of my member is sore like hell and I can\'t sleep because I am (guess what ... right) horny again.

I have to find out what cause this exactly, it\'s interesting but I don\'t want to run around like this forever. Ahhh ... something to note ... I had no mones on t\'day, but both have been sniffing my body after sex (it\'s actually quite hot here t\'day). The first has even taken the shirt I wore with her ... *rolleyes*

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What\'s your address? I don\'t usually make house calls, but in this case I believe I can make an exception ...

[Cloud9]

cut back on the Muira Puama , and cut back to 1g L-Arginine. Most likely the high dosage of Muira Pauma is causing this hornyness, but it could be a combo of two or more. getting too much L-Arginine isn\'t a great thing 1 g a day is good enough since it is a semi-essential amino acid.

[Andy]

Hehe ... thanks FTR, how much will the import tax be ? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

@Cloud
That\'s what I thought too, I\'ve been already on such high doses Muira Puama, but with a much milder effect. I think the combination MP/L-Argi is causing this. L-Arginine is confusing me anyway. Some resources say doses up to 1.5g/day are considered as non-harmfull, other sources suggest a daily intake of 5-7.5 grams !!!

[Andy]

Hell, I feel like a boy in his mid-teens. This is awesome and irritating at the same time. All this girls, lightly clothed, smiling, moving their asses .... ahhhhhhhh I am goin\' insane.

Btw, iHerb is ultra fast and has a good service at fair prices, I\'d recommend it for obtaining L-Arginine in case someone wants to give it a try.

[ADD]
I just read that most people can handle doses from 10 to 20 grams L-Arginin ?!?! There are even products out there with a 6g daily dose. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Yes sir, I am confused sir!

[nonscents]

I started l-arginine a month ago. I felt the effects almost immediately. But a few days ago the effects started to wear off. I still take my 5-6 grams every morning right before breakfast. Anyone else find this?

[belgareth]

I\'ve been taking a gram in the morning and another at night, both on an empty stomach. No change, it is doing fine.

[nonscents]

Belgareth,

How long you\'ve been taking it?

[belgareth]

I am just finnishing off a 45 day supplay and am ready to order more. So, about 35-40 days.