Wondering

[Enticing]

Wondering about this statement from the FAQ\'s:

\"Since about 25% of US males are unable to detect the smell of their own predominant pheromone (androstenone) and presumably another portion are somewhat impaired in that ability, the nose is not always a dependable guide in determining how much is too much. \"

I understand this statement is pretty much alluding to the \"less is more\" thing. But I am wondering, those 25% that cannot detect the scents very well, they still respond to pheros, right? It just means that they don\'t smell them consciously? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

~E~

[Elana]

You are correct. They can\'t smell it but they still respond to it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Elana]

The VNO has nothing to do with scent.

[franki]

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The VNO has nothing to do with scent.

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Certain olfactory stimuli have almost the same effects as pheromonal stimuli ...

Franki /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[franki]

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I understand this statement is pretty much alluding to the \"less is more\" thing. But I am wondering, those 25% that cannot detect the scents very well, they still respond to pheros, right? It just means that they don\'t smell them consciously?

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Enticing, here is what a representative of Stone Labs had to say about these things:


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Frank,

Great to hear from you; we\'re always happy to hear from folks over at
Love-Scent.

Just for fun, I should tell you that Erox\'s patent (at least the one
you\'re
referring to - they have many on a variety of compounds) has absolutely
nothing to do with \"pheromones\" - Interestingly enough - the patent, if
you
read it, simply gives them exclusive rights to use two specific
compounds
(one of which is androstadienone) in fragrances. That\'s it. Bill
Horgan
(the actual patent owner who licenses the use to Erox) is good friends
with
one of the perfume fillers Mr. Stone is affiliated with. Don\'t be
thrown by
misinformation commonly thrown around by the lesser-informed; they do
not
own a patent for \"Pheromones\" :-)

Regarding the Olfaction vs. VNO element of your question, there may
have
been some miscommunication between you and Mr. Fields. Olfaction is a
completely separate reception process from VNO-reception, and while
there is
nothing that defines a \"pheromone\" as having to be detected by the VNO
to be
considered a pheromone, it DOES have to be done without olfactory
detection
(smell) and on a subconscious level. I would be surprised by anyone
who
claims to be knowledgeable about pheromones telling you that they work
because they are \"smelled\" (olfaction), and I have to believe that
either
the Lacroy representative accidentally wrote \"olfactory\" instead of
\"VNO\" or
doesn\'t understand the difference; remember that this is a chemical
manufacturing firm - not an accredited research facility actively
working on
this very science. In reality, for the purposes we intend them for,
these
compounds really do need to be received by the VNO (VomeroNasal Organ -
Vomer is Latin for plow; the organ sits within the mucous membrane that
covers the plow-shaped septum, the cartilage that divides the nostrils)
in
order to work - that is the very basis behind modern pheromone
behavioral
modification, and until the discovery of the V1RL1 gene which is
responsible
for the existence of the active VNO in humans, this was also the very
crux
of the argument on whether or not humans could even receive pheromone
signals. Unfortunately, many lesser-educated individuals misunderstand
or
misinterpret much of this information, and are less than careful with
terminology and it\'s use.

All that said, there is nothing that says a smell or smelled compound
cannot
produce a subconscious effect - it\'s just not a pheromone trigger.

Do some additional research, and I\'m certain you\'ll find more on the
answers
you are searching for, but I think we\'re really all on the same page
here -
just being dogged by semantics.

Very kind regards,

Bob

Robert Jones, PhD
Industrial Tech Services
Stone Independent Research, Inc.

[nonscents]

That\'s why we call them nonscents! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CptKipling]

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However, I\'m sure there is a scent-memory trigger that has positive (or negative) affects on the target. But this must be very insignificant, and you would probably (in fact I actually often do) get a similar affect if you wore your usual pheromone cover scent on its own.