Wrong forum but related, phero output thru DHEA?

[bsxs]

I ordered Maca root, DHEA, Zinc, Horny goat weed, Tribulus. I am 17. All I want out of this stuff is to increase my phero output. I am confused though. I don\'t want to gain mass. I have started working out, but only doing crunches, I want great abs but I don\'t work on anything else. Maybe biceps a LITTLE bit but I want to remain a bit skinny. I don\'t want to be all huge. Kinda like Brandon Boyd.

I\'m getting celery by the way to increase -rone output =D!

[krtel]

Well, I\'m also 17 and from what I\'ve heard, that stuff is bad for us right now because of our age. Not sure though.

- Krish

[krtel]

I just read the warning lable from one of the DHEA bottles:

Warning: This product contains steroid hormones that may cause breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage and infertility in males, and increased facial and body hair, voice deepening, and clitoral enlargement in females. It should not be taken if you are pregnant or nursing. Higher doses may increase risks. If you are at risk for prostate or breast cancer you should not use this product. You must be over the age of 18 to use this product. Keep out of the reach of children. As always, consult your health care professional before undertaking a diet, supplementation, or exercise routine. Read the product label carefully.


WTF? Infertility? I rather use CS *rone!

- Krish

[Goanna]

You guys cant beleive everything that you read. Those warnings are there to cover any remote possibility of a future law suit.

I take stuff thats 20x stronger than DHEA, and I am in perfect health, I never had any sidfe effects. I can lead you to 20,000 other people who do the same if you go to www.anabolex.com (\"http://www.anabolex.com\")

[franki]

\"All I want out of this stuff is to increase my phero output.\"

Most of those supplements are really only for people who want to increase their physical fitness (body-builders, older guys with less testo, etc.), I would think.

I am not in the position to tell you how dangerous some of the stuff is, but I can tell you I think it is NOT worth taking risks if the ONLY thing you want to do is to increase your phero output. Stick with Love-Scent stuff for that I would say.

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Watcher]

If all else fails, stick with iron supplements and zinc and just protein powder.

[Phantom]

\"I take stuff thats 20x stronger than DHEA\" lol whats 20 times stronger than DHEA?

\"I just read the warning lable from one of the DHEA bottles....\"

That warning is plain stupid, the only thing that could cause any of that damage is pure Andro ( http://www.beefcakenutrition.com/andro-250-ast-ss-sports-science.html (\"http://www.beefcakenutrition.com/andro-250-ast-ss-sports-science.html\") ) \"Warning: This product contains steroid hormones that may cause breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage and infertility in males, and increased facial and body hair, voice deepening, and clitoral enlargement in females. Higher doses may increase risks. If you are at risk for prostate or breast cancer you should not use this product.
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Here\'s real info on DHEA ( http://www.vitaminusa.com/dheprodlis.html (\"http://www.vitaminusa.com/dheprodlis.html\") )

The dosage that side effects start to appear is a dosage of +2000mg ( http://www.aidsinfonet.org/articles.php?articleID=724 (\"http://www.aidsinfonet.org/articles.php?articleID=724\") ) and the only side effect was an increase in acne.

[CptKipling]

Sticking to low dosages is fine.

DHEA will *should* increase your phero output, but i would recomend taking some kind of zinc suppliment with it to avoid more feminin internal conversions. Stick to small amounts, dont venture far from 5mg per day if you have a small body mass.

I cant see why you want to stay small. You say you are working your abs, but ladies can see a bulkier shoulders or chest far clearer.

[marv14yag]

Yeah, but it is quite a slow process...

And, DHEA will put out more rone, etc....However, that depends if that\'s what you want.

In my case, DHEA results are much different than that of pheromones off the site. I think they are better, however, not usually as much.

DHEA is usually, girls get more aggressive...A LOT MORE AGGRESSIVE!!!! (If a girl jumps on you and tries to poke your eyes and and acts like a banshee while sweating while on DHEA it may be wise to dsicontinue (true story lol)

None, which is all I\'ve used....Nol, wouldn\'t really matter, but...None, I\'ve NEVER GOTTEN that....It\'s usually intimidation, etc.b Girls become VERY SUBMISSIVE, like they would just let you f*** them....

Using none, I\'m talking, girls with boyfriends, without, it doesn\'t matter, they will pay YOU ATTENTION, no matter who their boyfriend is or if he\'s standing right there (although WILL GET YOU INTO TROUBLE (if angry boyfriend comes with 3 of his friends to kick your ass because you were \"flirting\" with his girlfriend, it may be WISE to discontinue none (true story) (however in the end I got his respect..None, very strange pheromone, I\'ll tell you that...

I\'ve been off none for a while, and I was on DHEA for a LONG TIME.....I have the results piled up as far as size, pheromone output, etc...

I used to think that.... DHEA was superior because it promoted YOUR PHEROMONES, however, I think also, that it\'s also your AMOUNT of pheromones.

Too much of your own body...

The BEST RESULTS I have EVER GOTTEN is no lie, taking a multi-vitamin, I think it just ups your pheros and I guess is good for the skin/body? I never had any girls doing crazy [bad word], or nothing, but better results.

As far as DHEA yeah, chest (really really big) and back really big (forward and back) just makes you bulk up, and waist gets smaller.

Bart

[bsxs]

Would DHEA cause weight gain?

[Phantom]

\"Would DHEA cause weight gain? \"
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No, where did you here that? Taking DHEA won\'t turn you into \"Arnold\" The only way in can cause increases in muscle mass is by actually working out, if you sit around and do nothing, nothing will happen.

[bsxs]

No I meant like.. fat.

[Phantom]

DHEA has actually been shown to reduce weight in obese people.

\"One of the most exciting benefits of DHEA is its ability to burn fat and help keep it off by converting fat to muscle. It is a \"Thermogenic\" substance because it helps burn calories for energy rather than store them as fat. \"

( http://www.viable-herbal.com/health/health32.htm (\"http://www.viable-herbal.com/health/health32.htm\") )

[bsxs]

Hmmm ohhh.
Well I think this product sounds great except for one thing.

\"At this point, there are no research studies that support taking DHEA supplements (amounts that would give you higher than normal levels). \"

??? Would it be good to have higher than normal levels? Since I\'m young and all.

PS: My friend told me that DHEA makes your dick and/or balls smaller. Is this true?

[Phantom]

At your age I would stick to 25mg daily (womens dosage) i\'m 18 and i\'ve gone up to 100mg daily with no negative effects, i\'ve found my best dosage to be 50mg though. DHEA is also good for depression since low DHEA levels and depression have been linked. I find that i\'m in a much better mood when i\'m on DHEA and can handle stress alot better without getting frustrated.

\"Many studies have directly correlated depression and low DHEA levels.\"

( http://www.viable-herbal.com/health/health32.htm (\"http://www.viable-herbal.com/health/health32.htm\") )

[bsxs]

How about the balls part?

[Phantom]

The only things that can cause that are Andro products like: Androstenedione, Androstenediol, Norandrostenediol, Norandrostenedione avoid these at all costs.... I\'ve been using DHEA for 2 years (since I was 16) and my testicals are just fine (nice and plump lol) /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

[bsxs]

Ohhh haha. That\'s good. Thanks. I\'m going to try it out tomorrow, got them in the mail today.

[DrSmellThis]

You guys should look at the medical research before taking that much DHEA, especially at your age. I personally wouldn\'t o higher than 20mg, even though I\'m over 30.

[Goanna]

Phantom, If you went to the site I recomended, you would realize what compunds are 20x stronger then DHEA (AAS, or Anabolic Androgenic Steroids).

I would like to correct something posted above FAT CAN NOT BE CONVERTED TO MUSCLE!! That is a scientific imposibility. Fat can be lost, and muscle can then be gained, but both things do not happen at the same time. Also, DHEA is an Angrogenic Compound, not a Thermogenic Compound. If you lose any weight from DHEA, it would be due to an increased metabolic rate due to an increased amount of lean body mass, not a thermogenic reaction.

Thermogenisis is the type of reaction produced by amphetamines and stimulants like ephedrine or caffeine. It also occurs through beta antagonists such as Synephrine or Albuterol Sulfate. It will not occur from DHEA though.

[Phantom]

\'Phantom, If you went to the site I recomended, you would realize what compunds are 20x stronger then DHEA (AAS, or Anabolic Androgenic Steroids). \"
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Sorry I never saw that post so I never go to go to that website.

\"Thermogenisis is the type of reaction produced by amphetamines and stimulants like ephedrine or caffeine. It also occurs through beta antagonists such as Synephrine or Albuterol Sulfate. It will not occur from DHEA though. \"
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I was just going by what they said at this website ( http://www.viable-herbal.com/health/health32.htm (\"http://www.viable-herbal.com/health/health32.htm\") ) I guess they should get there facts strait, thanks for the correction /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[Goanna]

Oh, and 17 is OK to start taking androgens. If you start taking them earlier then that, large amounts of exogenous testosterone or other androgenic hormones will cause an increae in your estrogen levels also.

Increased estrogen in young adults can caused advanced maturation of the epiphyseal growth plates of the spine amoungst other things. In other words, it will stunt your growth.

You should take an anti-aromatase agent,(Aromatization is the process of an andgrogen being converted to an estrogen, Aromatase is the enzyme responsible for the reaction) such as 6-OXO, which is a suicide inhibitor of aromatase. Basically it means that the compund in 6-OXO sacrifices itself in order to keep estrogen from forming.

<a target=\"_blank\" href=http://www.1fast400.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=10&amp;products_id=3 78>You can read more about it, and buy it here</a>

[Goanna]

No Problem Phantom, you see though, they also sell DHEA, so they have to talk it up. The best place to get real information on sports or anti aging supplements, would be forums such as this that are oriented towards bodybuilding and nutrition. That way you get answers from real people who have much experiance with the subject, myself included /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif.

www.anabolex.com (\"http://www.anabolex.com\") (My Home Board)
www.anasci.com (\"http://www.anasci.com\")
www.anabolic-paradise.com (\"http://www.anabolic-paradise.com\")

those are a few boards that I recomend to get any of the information you need.

[marv14yag]

Actually, you are wrong. Testosterone by ITSELF, will increase, not only muscle mass, and weight loss, but also muscle STRENGTH.

Ie, men have more muscle than women, even though they may not work at all (more testosteorne).

Studies back me up.

Basically, the biggest use for testosterone, is really recovery. Enough to make you huge without working out wouldn\'t really do a lot.

Bart

[marv14yag]

Goanna...

First, more than like 25mg wil do nothing. more and more DHEA won\'t raise test levels more, only andro, or more test will do that.

Also, tesotsteorne, SIGNALS the body to LOSE FAT and GAIN MUSCLE.

If you take DHEA, or testosterone, or andro, your waist will shrink.

I don\'t think it\'s so much for thermogeneis, or rather, because you have more muscle, you lose fat faster (increased metabolism) becuase it\'s not like you\'re going to have THAT MUCH muscle to do that...It\'s rather, the body is just signaled NOT to store fat. When you eat something, it is not stored, and your already fat stores are used instead.

You can take caffeine, and ephedrine, and the like, to increase thermogenesis, etc, but the body is very adaptable. I was taking 400mg caffeine and 100mg ephedrine and I couldn\'t STAND to eat carbs, and I was skipping meals, I litterally almost puked eating, like when you\'re mad, or about to fight, eating makes you almost puke. Anyway, 6 months...And I had only lost like 10-15 pounds, and I wasn\'t even needing to lose it. It came back slowly once I got off, not all the way (if you don\'t eat more than you would have) but basically, they are pretty useless.

Bart

[Goanna]

All I said was fat can not be converted into muscle. I did not say that testosterone will not make you lose fat and gain muscle. Beleive me, I know for a fact that it does.

I just wanted to clear up that it is two different processes (Lipolysis and Muscle Hypertrophy), because the way that supplement companies word their products makes it sound like your fat will magically be converted into muscle.

I also stated that fat loss from DHEA would be related to increased muscle mass, which leads to a higher metabolism, just as you said. You must of missed that part of my post.

I also dont remember saying anything about what dosages to take, or saying that more is better.