ratio of pheroes on an average male?

[filterfactory]

I posted this on a thread in the womens forum but thought that this would be a better place for it.

Just out of curiosity does anybody know the real average ratio of human pheromones on people (of the pheroes products we have). ie, on an average male the phero ratio would be

rone:none:nol:A1:NPA:WAGG

I seem to remember reading something that had some ratios mentioned.

[oscar]

http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=8411&fpart=1&P HPSESSID= (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=8411&fpart=1&P HPSESSID=\")

[bjf]

does that post, make sense to anyone? I stillc an\'t figure out the ratios.

[Sexyredhead]

I don\'t think he directly answered your question, but if you read through the thread, you\'ll find a list of what seems to be optimal for each product. I\'m not sure they\'ve really discovered the ratio, because I\'m sure it changes depending on the situation.

[oscar]

This one\'s got the info broken down a bit further:

http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=13415&page=&vi ew=&sb=&o=&vc=1 (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=13415&page=&vi ew=&sb=&o=&vc=1\")

[DrSmellThis]

Great post, Oscar! Scientist did a first rate job there.

There are lots of complicating factors for interpreting those ratios.

First, those #\'s were taken from people shot up with adrenaline. That might have caused, say, unnaturally high levels of none and low -nol levels to some degree.

Second, we are not interested in recreating an average phero profile. In general, I think you want to focus more on the apocrine figures for our purposes, as that is closest to being overtly sexual, and then maybe tilt them toward the axillary figures a littleto be more realistic about what a body would smell like overall. This means maybe, in order of amounts, A1, -none, -nol, -rone. A more overtly sexual profile might be something like 4A1:4-none:2-nol:1-rone.

Also, keep in mind that over time on a normal man, A1(and both androstadieniols) gets less, -nol goes up a little, and -none goes up a lot; due to conversions. The average person might smell sexiest a half day or more after showering, yet women also like the just showered smell, which is mostly DHEA-S, A1 and the androstadienols, followed by -nol, -none and -rone sulfate, respectively. It gets complicated here...

[CptKipling]

Those numbers where pretty high...

Something else that I saw:

\"At first sight, it may seem odd that such similar molecules as androstenone and androstadienone would have such dramatically different effects on the female VNO. After all, their olfactory properties are quite similar, as are their electrostatic and hydrophobic binding properties. Indeed, there is evidence that both molecules interact with the same putative olfactory receptor\"

That could be interesting for the receptor overload theory (Re TE and the secret ingredients)