How to Walk A Woman

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Curious if you guys have ever given this much thought. Friday SDR and I went out. Just to walk with him is such a pleasure. He held my hand and when we crossed the street, if the cars were coming too fast, he pulled my hand back. I had on very high heels and if there was ice on the sidewalk or the road, he held my hand up and warned me there was ice, step carefully. He would put his hand on the small of my back and guide me. Walking with him is like dancing. I felt cherished and protected just by how he walked with me.

Not to mention that he opened doors for me, including the car door - and had me stand inside where it was warm while he went and got the car and came to pick me up.

Just those things made it beautiful for me.

Probably just because I had on PCC and -nol. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[bivonic]

Another bit of advice, I had this girlfriend that would always make me walk on the street side of the sidewalk. Ever since then, no matter what girl I\'m with I take this approach, sometimes the girl gets a little confused - but generally does not ask why, but at the same time they feel safe. If they do ask why then I tell them, well if a car was to hop over the curb I\'d be the one to get hit & not you, gets that dreamy smile from them everytime.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

That\'s proper etiquette but nobody knows it anymore. I was surprised that SDR did. It made my night.

[Whitehall]

That\'s the way a gentleman should be taught to act with a lady.

Guys, just don\'t try that with ardent feminists. I remember when it was violently politically incorrect to open a door for a female. Thankfully, that\'s faded a bit.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I think that\'s faded a lot.

[franki]

I have never seen a woman who was not pleasantly surprised I opened the door for her. Women like to be treated like a lady.

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Elana]

<<That\'s the way a gentleman should be taught to act with a lady.>>

Absolutely. For me these things are requirements. I need to feel protected and to be reminded that I am always safe with the guy I am with. If he does not do these things, I am turned off completely and will feel that he is not a real man.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

It\'s true. It astounds me when guys won\'t shorten their stride a little to accommodate a woman in heels so it\'s torture and I\'m practically trotting along to try to keep up, and they just walk in front of me, or go through a door ahead of me and all but let it fall on me -- I\'ve seen it where it\'s not at all intentional but MAN it comes across rude. And the opposite is SUCH a pleasure. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Elana]

I have had strangers (men) not hold the door opened for me and I always find that so rude. What are they thinking? I always smile and thank a stranger when he does do the right thing. Positive reinforcement /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

also, men should always wait for the women to get on and off the elevator, before they go through the door

[Irish]

They might be thinking what I always think about. I have been berated to my face for holding a door for a woman. \"I am not a child - I can manage the door fine without your help!\". And, in a sense, she was right.

I\'ve learned to save my manners for women I know or those who ask for help. The rest I \'treat like a man\' so to speak - which means I leave them to their own devices unless they request my help. It goes against my nature, but so does taking crap from strange women (if a man talked to me that way I\'d give him a lesson in manners the old fashioned way - can\'t do that with the girls though!).

What the feminists never realized is that being treated like a man is not that great - nobody warned them that a man\'s life is no picnic either.

[Elana]

/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif I don\'t ever want to be treated like a man. Maybe I should have T-Shirts made. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Elana]

<<\"I am not a child - I can manage the door fine without your help!\".>>

That\'s so mean! I can\'t imagine talking to another person like that when they were trying to be polite.

[cuddlebear]

Well, Irish, you sorta beat me to the punch on this one. I was going to comment that some women refuse to let me hold the door open for them or other similar actions, but most are quite pleased and say \"Thank you\" in the sweetest of manners ... The vast majority of women seem to react pleasantly but there are some out there who think it\'s some brand of male chauvinism or what have you ... Or there are the women who will say \"I\'m fine\" when you offer to help with something (e.g put groceries in the trunk of their car). It\'s all I can do to stop myself from saying \"I noticed that\"! Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I have never berated a man for being a gentleman nor have I ever, ever seen that. One bad apple shouldn\'t spoil the whole bunch. Whatever advantages feminism is supposed to have given us ... I work like a goddamn man every day for a living, pay my own bills, get my own car repaired. ... won\'t somebody at least open a door for me once in a while and remind me I\'m a woman?? Or I may as well grow a dick and be done with it.

[cuddlebear]

No no .. SDR wouldn\'t like that /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Probably not. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Elana]

<<Or I may as well grow a dick and be done with it.>>

And how would one go about doing this? Are there special seeds you ingest? /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I think Whitehall has a cream.

[Wolfe]

i always step into the elevator doorway both on/off before a woman does and stand with my body blocking the door so it wont shut on her. hope you\'d find that acceptable, some dont seem to understand and have frowned at me over it but i\'ve seen the doors close to soon and hit them before. i make sure it doesnt.(small price to pay i guess-a frown)

[Elana]

That\'s nice too Wolfe. As long as it was obvious that you were doing it to protect her from the doors. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

FTR- If I used the cream, is there one to reverse the effects? I wouldn\'t mind having one for a few days.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I don\'t know. I told Whitehall I\'d try it if he\'d come and rub it on me. I haven\'t heard back yet. I\'ll let you know.

Elana - have you ever noticed that it only takes about three exchanges between us before we\'re contriving a way to get dick? /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[Elana]

<<Elana - have you ever noticed that it only takes about three exchanges between us before we\'re contriving a way to get dick?>>

You started it /ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif

[Wolfe]

why is it i have trouble believeing either of you have trouble \'getting it\' ?

[Irish]

I\'ve had more than one episode of being lectured about what I consider politeness actually being a putdown. Logically, I was forced to agree...chivalrous behavior is very romantic to those so inclined, but really has no place in public intercourse. Women are adults, equal, and in no need of generalized male protection as a policy. Hell, I might enjoy strange women opening doors for me and sheltering me from vague \'dangers\', but I sure as hell don\'t expect it as a right!

It\'s a sad deal for me, but the Middle Ages are long gone, and I might as well face that. Privately however, we can be as chivalrous as we please!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I\'m going to put this to you bluntly for the sake of time. That was a woman who\'d never been raped or hit. BULLSHIT we don\'t need men to protect us. BULLSHIT. That\'s a bunch of BULLSHIT. It is not logical. Its just wrong. IMHO. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

I\'m not your equal. I am not your equal in pay, I am not your equal in strength, I am not your equal in many, many respects. Wishing I were does not make it so. I am most definitely not your equal when we are walking a city street at night. I reserve the right (yes, right) if you escort me, to take your arm and expect you to keep me where you can see me and watch out for me in public places. I\'m not helpless but I\'m not your equal.


Who have you let take away your chivalry, and why?

[Elana]

There have been several occasions when I have asked men I don\'t know, to walk me to my car if I have felt unsafe, and they have always been more than happy to do this. I will also go on record saying that women do need men to protect them.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Especially if you\'re dressed up - heels and a straight skirt - you can\'t even run in that. If the skirt is long, you couldn\'t even kick in it. You have no way to protect yourself, you\'re a walking target for anyone who wants to do you harm. And then the guy\'s gonna (because some jackass book-knowledge smart-ass so-called feminist brainwashed him) say that you\'re \"equal,\" so you don\'t need any protection??

I understand the theory but it doesn\'t play out.

Besides the fact that it\'s not sexy. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Wolfe]

i\'m \'old fashioned\' and any woman that seems offended by that isnt my kind of woman anyways(i\'d never change what or who i am to try to please a woman) so i\'d just go find another one and leave her to her own ways.

[Irish]

Chivalry at it\'s core requires \'special treatment\' for some. The idea of \'special treatmen\'t is incompatible with \'equality\'. Equality in the strictest sense means we must all share the same burdens/risks as well as the same benefits. This is at least an intellectually honest approach to this nonsense for those that think this way - it is consistent.

I personally agree with pretty much everything you say, but my personal lifestyle often conflicts with society\'s political correctness. And abiding by PC standards is unfortunately the safest way to get by in public and the workplace. Just ask Whitehall, who got raked over the coals at work for complimenting a woman on her clothing. I reserve my chivalry for those who appreciate it, and since there\'s usually no way to tell that in a female stranger, I\'ll just skip the politeness and treat her as an \'equal\'. Less hassle. Hopefully her boyfriend/husband treats her with all the specialness she deserves - that\'s his job, not mine (anymore).

[Sexyredhead]

I love gentlemen. Being gone from the South for years really made me appreciate southern men that much more when I came back. Yes, they have their faults, but it\'s rare that I have to open a door, carry anything heavy, or walk anywhere alone at night. And if you need anything fixed/moved/etc, one call, and they\'re on it. And it doesn\'t matter if they know you or not, for the most part. And all you have to do to thank them is cook them supper. lol
I know the South isn\'t the only place where men do those things anymore, but there\'s a big concentration here, and I love \'em. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif Also takes them a while to start to cuss around you--and some of them never do. I used to not care, but I find in the absence of it, I really notice if men do cuss around me now, and not in a good way. Hmm...
I\'m spoiled down here, but I love it. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Physically we are not equal. And I hate to think that one or two stupid remarks made some men lose their manners and good sense. I\'m not sure whether DC is considered southern or not, and maybe it\'s just because most attorneys are gentlemen, but a marquis partner in this firm wouldn\'t fail to hold a door for me - it would be beneath his standard to be that rude - not speaking hypothetically, either, this happens a couple of times a month that I\'ll run into one or both of the people whose names comprise the firm name. I guess it has to do with who you work with. I\'m glad attorneys are gentlemen.

Irish, where are you from? Do you think any of this has to do with regional differences?

[Wolfe]

i see so many young men nowadays that dont seem to follow \'the gentleman\' thing around women and ya know what?..seems they dont get as much as the ones that do..seems they\'d figure it out ya know. maybe it has to do with they always heard that women don\'t like \'weakness\' in men ands equate it to be one and the same. gentleman=weak. though i\'ve never found that to be true.(maybe thats why i still get ladies 1/2 my age huh?)

[Irish]

I\'m from the South, and now live in the Southwest. I grew up treating women as deserving of being cherished, protected - womanhood was something to be respected. I was always a foolish romantic to boot - idealization and overvaluation of women has been a crime to which I freely plead guilty.

A vocal minority of women consider that type of behavior paternalistic. This minority has an undue influence on corporate and public policy. A somewhat larger minority of women are simply demanding and expect to be treated like royalty, regardless of their own behavior. Between these two extremes are the majority of women who like decent treatment. But the misery of encountering one of the extreme types makes it worthwhile (for me) to just avoid the issue, and treat all women with the same neutral civility I would use with a man.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Irish, I think that\'s a damn shame. You can daddy me anytime and protect me whenever you feel like it.

[SonnyBlack]

I walk my girlfriend in the exact same way. She always tells me that I make her feel very protected and girly...

[**DONOTDELETE**]

It\'s the most exquisite feeling.

[Irish]

Not a shame at all. In an odd way the feminist movement gave me a more realistic view of women. They helped me trade magic for reality, though not in any way that they intended. When I made women more equal in my thinking I brought them down from the pedestal I put them on!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Another shame.

(ok, maybe not entirely)

[SonnyBlack]

very well put red....

[Elana]

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[Whitehall]

I was born in the Midwest and raised and educated in the Deep South, aka Dixie. While I never fully thought of myself as a Southern, I do realize that one of the fine things about the South is the accent on good manners and gentlemanly behavior. In fact, good manners were taught as a manner of course in the public schools - something that would be unheard of here in California.

Like Irish, I still bare the psychological scars from radicals of \"The Womens Movement\" and became, for a time, merely a \"closet gentleman.\"

Fortunately, with the kind help of women like you, I\'m \"coming out\" as a gentleman, once again.

[bjf]

i can say young women don\'t give a [bad word] if you are nice to them, so let them open their own damn doors. Once they get older, and could use the $, sperm, or don\'t won\'t to be grey haired and old, what they look for in men changes, and then they appreciate being nice. But, if a woman doesn\'t demand or respond to class, then she doesn\'t have class, and there is no reason to treat them like class just because they have a vagina.

yes, i definitely belive in carrying stuff or looking out for them if they are walking alone, etc, no matter what, because there is natural vunerablity due to the physiology that females take on to bear children for our race, so men should definitely look out for women in that sense. But as far as chivarlry like holding doors, i think that is reserved for women who respond to respect and therefore deserve it.

maybe this is wrong of me, but i definitely look down upon a girl who doesn\'t go for that because I believe it is a sign that she doesn\'t respect herself

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well, now. There\'s a point of view, all right.

[upsidedown]

Just because some women are jerks or have bad attitudes is no reason why we men shouldn\'t still just do the right thing. If we\'re reprimanded for doing what\'s right, then that\'s that particular woman\'s problem and not ours.

[bjf]

this is where we disagree. when it comes to what is the \"right thing\"

My thing is is that women are not automatically this magnificent thing just because they were born a women. I believe that individuals decide that.

I don\'t know where women got this idea that they are somehow more special then men just by their very nature.

I think it comes from that they basically are the ones who pick who to breed with, and that elevates them over men in that sense. I think that power maybe makes some women think that they are all this incredibly special thing.

i can\'t help but admit that i do, in fact, by into that to a certain degree, but i think that is just my penis doing the talking.

but really, i think that every woman is too different to place this special tag. i mean some got it, some don\'t. I think a woman can have it, but it is her choice. Same goes for men. You decide what path you want to take, and you can live your life with class in how you treat others and yourself.

when i see women who do that, i want to lie down in a puddle just so they can step on me without getting wet.

When i see women who are dumb, instensitive, or whatever, why the hell should I get wet? Since when are they better then me where I have to be doing for them? No, no, no, I think that by giving automatic respect to women places them higher on the totum poll then all men. Men deserve more respect then that! Let individuals sort it out, not genders

[SonnyBlack]

this is also very true.....some very good points made

[bjf]

just for the record, the sister would not be having her door held for her.

(see women\'s forum, help needed)

[Sexyredhead]

On the other hand, first impressions usually say it all. So if you wait too long to show a lady you\'re a gentleman, she won\'t consider you one.
I don\'t think women think they\'re better and deserving of chivalry. I think it\'s just good manners. There are things that women with good manners do for men, just as there are things men do for women. It\'s a matter of respect. Don\'t let the fact that there are a lot of women out there without class dictate how you behave. I think class should stand out. Even if a woman gripes when you treat her like a lady, at least you\'ll know you did the right thing.

[bjf]

i usually give the benefit of the doubt to women, and all people for that matter, that they deserve respect. so basicalkly, you get it from the get go. if you lose it, well that\'s on you. i think small things say alot about a person, i.e. not acknowleding things, etc. then that is when i won\'t treat them like they are anything special

[Lucky]

What\'s wrong with me? I hold a door open for a male or a female, just depends on who happens to be there. If I am with a man, I wait on him to open it.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Lucky, me too. I \'bout busted a young girl who lives in our building because a woman in her 80\'s with grocery bags in both hands was struggling with the entry door and the young girl just stood there on the other side of the glass, impassive. RUDE. To an elderly person. I can\'t stand it. Going out with girlfriends, we\'ll take turns holding the door for each other.

[bundyburger]

Irish said...<<But the misery of encountering one of the extreme types makes it worthwhile (for me) to just avoid the issue>>

I symphathise with Irish on a lot of what he has said. Those b!tches only come along once in a blue moon., but everytime they\'ll stop me from being a gentleman for a while. They can be very vocal and embarrasing. If you hold a door for one of them and they have a go at you just say \"Sorry, I meant to shut in in your face but it got jammed open.\" I haven\'t said that, but I think I will next time. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

I have also had a guy look like he was about to hit me when I kept a door open for his family. They were just behind our group. I would have been shutting the door in his wifes face. She was first. \"I\'ve got it\", he said in a angry way and with a dirty look.He had to rush from behind the group to do it too. If it wasn\'t for her smiling nicely in a \'thank you\' way I don\'t know what I would have thought. Thankfully it\'s happened only once

I haven\'t given away doing all the \'right\' things like Irish has, but it\'s been tempting in the past. These days I have gotten really good at judging the right person to hold a \'door open for\' etc. It\'s doesn\'t have to be a woman either I\'ll hold it open for the next group of people if they are with in a few steps of the door, man, woman or child.. More so because it feels rude to shut it in front of them. It\'s a balance. You can look like a real tosser waiting 10 seconds for the next person to hit the door. LOL
It\'s can be a regional thing. Australia varies in attitudes like it does over there. Though I think in general it tends to be a person to person difference. Rural areas tend to be more polite than city/suburban areas.

I think to be sucessful at being a gentlman you have to make your actions look automatic and not laboured as if you didn\'t even think about it.

[Mtnjim]

The one I like is when you hold the door open for someone and they breeze through and don\'t even acknowledge the courtise. I have been known to say in a loud voice \"your welcome\"--the standard reply to \"thank you\".

[Lucky]

I know, can you believe how rude? I tell them \'THANK YOU\' in a voice they can\'t ignore. Although, most people are really nice.

[Wolfe]

wrong, just because they have no class doesnt mean you lower yourself to thier standard and have no class.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Some people don\'t mean to be rude if they don\'t acknowledge a kindness. They could have attention deficit disorder. They could have just heard their best friend died. They could be thinking anything, they could be going through anything. The only reason to do kind things that matters is because YOU want to, whether you get rewarded for it or not. Kind things are their own reward.

[Lucky]

You are so right.

[Watcher]

Good post bundyburger. Ive had one of those bastard types and being way bigger than he was i decided to tear him apart verbally - i opened the door in a similar situation he had a misses along quite attractive (obviously trying to be a big frigging hero) rushed from the other side actually said similar thing in a quite a nasty tone. My response was \" well F**khead here you go why not jam it up youre ass\" and walked off he went quite read in the face and the good thing was his woman dressed him down on being nasty to some guy who was just holding the door open and being polite (this was as i was moving through a crowd towards where i was going) he got quite loud to.

I thought it was quite a laugh really - these guys try to be heros by keeping female attention through whatever bastardry towards more alpha males they can come up with.

I say keep up the niceness and doing the old traditional polite things because first time u barge past a woman like these bastard tpyes u are likley to be verbally abused. Although as youve said judgement is really the key, ive had 80 year old women abuse me for doing what FTR would have done so its not always set.

Wait a maximum of 4 seconds or just let the door close, 10 seconds is to long, but you dont want people getting pissed off at youre ignorance either by closing it as they walk towards it either.

How to walk woman in kinky way, a dog leash in the bedroom and plenty of fun.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Another good method, true. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[Wolfe]

lucky, sometimes a persons sadness(such as a broken heart) can make it harder for a person to always reflect the kindness the way they used too. i\'ve found it much harder to, not so much show respect and such, but to project the warmth that i used too. And i\'m sure theres alot of reasons besides mine as to why a person might(at the time) be \'closed\' so to speak and not even be aware that they acted that way. it took me several yrs to realize that women still could pick up the sadness i had inside no matter how i tryed (and thought i had) to suppress it. That realization changed me greatly in many ways.(it\'s the reason i quit chasing women). Still though, i flirt with them, and i do show them respect and do my very best to be the gentleman at all times.(even though doing so sometimes causes me great pain).
shame about love in ways, it should always be a 2 sided street, if one falls out of love, the other ought to get a free pass out of it too. for the one to go on and find happiness and the other to die inside(because thier love still burns) is a lousy deal.
whoever said \"it;s better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all\"--- never really loved and lost.

[seadove]

I think women must enjoy a double privilege.They diserve it
When they feel like it they can call for \"equality\" and if otherwise they can also be the ladies for their gentlemen.

Men, however must take care to behave only as gentlemen.

Now gimme a peck on the cheek./ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Smooch!

[cuddlebear]

aww.. that\'s so sweet of you, Dharmic Warrior ...

[Icemone]

<<Elana - have you ever noticed that it only takes about three exchanges between us before we\'re contriving a way to get dick?>>

////////You started it

LOL Guess what? It says I\'m a
Full Member ( wink wink /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Actually, some of the reason I tend to overwhelm women is that I am intense and enjoy doing the Romantic and Chivoulrous things.

Some former girlfriends have asked me breathlessly if I was out of one of their Romance Novels because no Man has
ever treated them this way before.

Of course, basic politeness also----holding the door for an
old woman with packages or for anyone.

And I also walk on the street side.

At a recent \"first date\" after walking to a coffee shop and getting to know one another
before a WILD party I had invited her to, she
re-cut her finger.

So right away I got the Manager of the Caffe to give me some Band Aids and put it on her finger. She said that she
felt so safe and knew I would take great care of her.

Then I kissed her hand after doing a very sensuous version of Johnny Depp\'s character in
\"Don Juan De Marco\" and the look on her face went from safe to F-Me Now!!!

( Before this, while we were talking, with our eyes locked,
she was playing with a napkin
and her cut started to bleed---later on she told me she was SO HORNY she couldn\'t control herself and thought she would grab me if she didn\'t keep her hands busy /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Men and Women ARE different and for me, those differences are mostly a thing to Celebrate!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Uh-oh! Time for a full member inspection! Have you been practicing the salute? And are you aware of the fact that our Queen requires photographic evidence?

[Goddess]

Icemone - you are so definitely right...men and women ARE different - and we aren\'t equal physically. Yes maybe the odd woman can equal a man in upper body strength, etc. But the fact is we are built differently and I\'m damn glad of it! I do lift weights (I used to be into powerlifting) and I am strong (for a woman), but I am also ALL WOMAN - and like to be treated as such. I\'m not one of the guys,and I don\'t want to be treated like one just because I enjoy a male dominant sport/passtime. Course, if you treat me like a woman with chivalrous courtesies, I\'ll probably be putty in your hands (a little nuzzling on the neck turns me into mush too - ha) I too like to celebrate (over and over if possible) the difference between men and women! Goddess

[SonnyBlack]

whoever said \"it;s better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all\"--- never really loved and lost


very true...good words wolfe

[SonnyBlack]

this also very true and quite unfair for the men if you ask me....girls can speak of all this equality bullshit and say that they want to be treated the same as men and that they can do SNYTHING on their own and dont need a mans help..but also reserve the right to judge us (especially in relationships)if were not in control or on top of a situation...or if we do not make them feel protected....all of this has always confused me..you know the rules between men and women....

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Aw. Don\'t turn my thread into woman bashing. I was trying to talk about something nice.

[SonnyBlack]

not bashing at all honey...nobody loves women more than me...simply stating how the rules and ettiquettes between men and women always confuse me(womens\' independent attitude at times..helpless attitude at others)...Im a gentleman at heart though...always have been no matter how bitchy a girl acts...after all im a small town boy....

[Elana]

Icemone- I\'ll be waiting with FTR for inspection. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Sometimes I really love my work.

[Elana]

Sometimes you\'ve just gotta do what ya gotta do. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Watcher]

Well if a inspection is up u gotta do it right, a bleeding finger can set women off for some strange reason.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Icemone - I\'m a fool for hand-kissing. Try this variation - kiss the inside of her wrist, with your mouth just the slightest bit open. That sudden heat on her pulse point should knock her knees out from under her. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Walter_Mitty]

Hmmm, FTR I\'ll have to try that... This post is funny in a lot of ways. In essence, it is about how to be polite for a guy. If the ladies don\'t notice, or take offense, wouldn\'t the line, \"I was just being polite,\" be enough to diffuse it? I like the old traditions in this arena. My girlfriend will barge right ahead a lot of times, oh well. I still open doors (when I get the chance) and stand street side (the proper thing to do) and it is funny. She notices. She divorced a couple of years back, and became real self preservation like. But, she notices, and tells me thanks, during cuddly times. What I don\'t get is why guys would not behave this way. Even if the lady says \"Bark, bark, bark...\" for behaving like a gentleman, you can always say, \"I was just trying to be polite.\" Not in a bad tone or such, but honestly, cause it ain\'t a lie.

Sheesh, the gals have made the point that guys and gals are not the same. (Hmmm, duh...) No, not to be a dork about it, but... When I weigh 80 lbs more than my girl friend and are 8 inches taller than she is, there is bound to be a descrepency. This was made very clear when she had to remodel her closet (ever had to unload those top shelves?) Oh well

So back to the origional points. Be a gentleman, you might lose the fight, but you will win the war. Guys and gals are different, duh. And FTR I have to try the kiss tip, thanks for the knowledge.

[Walter_Mitty]

Oh yeah, I used to have a nice lable, besides newbie, but I had to change user thingies to keep the pithy name. How vain I am...

[Icemone]

Hi FTR, Elana, Goddess, all

Goddess, some women are MUCH stronger than men in Spirit and other areas.
There are more types of strength than just physical.

FullTiltRedhead, I use that inner wrist kissing and most women do \"melt\" from that /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

When you feel that Chemistry you can\'t keep your hands off eachother...

P.s. FTR, Elana,
LOL Ready for Inspection and Reporting for BOOTIE!!!
Then YOU can report for Inspection...I don\'t know which will be more enjoyable...

[DrSmellThis]

The proper way is to hold the leash real tight, and avoid malls. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

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[bivonic]

[doh, looks like someone beat me to it]
I find the best way to walk a woman is with a leash, Coach sells nice ones.
[Badumdum]

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Is there an echo in this place??

[franki]

No, but there are quite a few parrots. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

Franki

[SonnyBlack]

hehe I kiss my girl\'s wrists tlike that all the time...she also loooves for me to kiss her shoulders....