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Wolfe
02-06-2003, 11:23 AM
Is the secret to delicious low-fat treats already be in your pantry? When used in baking, applesauce helps lower the overall fat content of some of your favorite muffins, bars, quick breads and cakes. When you\'re adapting a high-fat recipe to low-fat healthfulness, start by replacing two-thirds of the original\'s butter or margarine with unsweetened applesauce. Like fat, a fruit puree such as applesauce coats the starchy flour particles in baking. Without this step, gluten forms when the flour is moistened and stirred, making the end result tough.

bivonic
02-06-2003, 11:36 AM
I would think applesauce (i.e. Apples) have a high concentration of sugar? Aren\'t you just replacing fat for sugar?

Wolfe
02-06-2003, 11:38 AM
only if the applesauce you buy has sugar added to it, which a health nut would never do /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Wolfe
02-06-2003, 11:39 AM
LMAO..now this is funny too, a guy talking cooking with another guy /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Wolfe
02-06-2003, 11:43 AM
for that matter i usally use honey in place of granulated suger in recipes.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-06-2003, 11:48 AM
Wolfe, angel face, it\'s all just carbs. You\'re replacing sugar for fat. If that suits your body chemistry, that\'s good, but it\'s not necessarily healthier. Honey, sugar, applesauce - your body doesn\'t make any difference between fructose, glucose, etc. It all goes down as sugar.

bivonic
02-06-2003, 11:53 AM
<blockquote><font class=\"small\">In reply to:</font><hr>

Originally posted by Wolfe:
only if the applesauce you buy has sugar added to it, which a health nut would never do


<hr></blockquote>

Nah, I think the sugar is already there, no need to add. An apple by itself has sugar in it, that\'s why it\'s sweet. They\'d have to take the sugar out of the applesauce to start, I don\'t think that they do that, if so I never heard of applesauce like that, I\'m sure it doesn\'t taste like applesauce?

Wolfe
02-06-2003, 11:59 AM
theres a differance in the way the body handle frutose Vs sucrose and it takes less honey to sweeten than sugar so in the end you still get less of it.

referance material used
Honey:A Sugerless Cookbook:
Written by: Joe Parker-lecturer-nutritional consultant
ISBN-0-936744-03-0

**DONOTDELETE**
02-06-2003, 12:03 PM
Oh. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

druid
02-06-2003, 02:16 PM
frutose is a sugar (so is lactOSE, sucrOSE, glocOSE) but it is handled differently. It is a little lower on the GI scale than sucorse (table sugar) -- I have read some prople who think it is worse. And fructose syrup is used in soda -- so beware.

Wolfe don\'t be so afriad of fats -- just make sure they aren\'t hydrogented. Personally I eat the hell out of apples -- but apples are a little different because they have their fiber content still intact. Green apples are better than the variety.

But of most fruits I think the apple has the least sugar.

Wolfe
02-06-2003, 03:49 PM
excuse me??? beware of fructose??..dude get real..i\'d have to stop eating fruits/berries/veggies to stop getting it..get real !!!

druid
02-06-2003, 08:23 PM
but at least when you eat a whole fruit (BTW there is not that much fructose in veggies) the fiber content is still intact. fiber slows down the insulin surge, which counteracts SOME of the negative effects of sugars.

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 05:49 AM
whats your point?..honey is a natural fructose sugar and hell lot better than using granulated..

Elana
02-07-2003, 05:52 AM
I think he is agreeing with you

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 06:01 AM
i\'m not even gonna bother to go on here, do what the hell you want to, you want to use processed sugars in your cooking be my guest.

Elana
02-07-2003, 06:05 AM
You had better not be talking to me. You know the way I eat.

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 06:07 AM
\"i\'m not even gonna bother to go on here, do what the hell you want to, you want to use processed sugars in your cooking be my guest. \"

there..that better?

Elana
02-07-2003, 06:08 AM
Who are you talking to? Druid was agreeing with you

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 06:15 AM
look. they trying to argue that suger is suger..and it\'s not that cut and dryed and not what this thread was about, and you know it. all i was trying to do here was let ppl who like cakes/cookies/candies/ETC in thier lives a alternate type of sugar to use thats hell lot better than graunlated is, but i\'m not gonna sit here and try to justify it to anyone.

\"Wolfe, angel face, it\'s all just carbs. You\'re replacing sugar for fat. If that suits your body chemistry, that\'s good, but it\'s not necessarily healthier. Honey, sugar, applesauce - your body doesn\'t make any difference between fructose, glucose, etc. It all goes down as sugar. \"


In reply to:
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Originally posted by Wolfe:
only if the applesauce you buy has sugar added to it, which a health nut would never do




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\"Nah, I think the sugar is already there, no need to add. An apple by itself has sugar in it, that\'s why it\'s sweet. They\'d have to take the sugar out of the applesauce to start, I don\'t think that they do that, if so I never heard of applesauce like that, I\'m sure it doesn\'t taste like applesauce?\"


many applesauces do have added sugar..not the natural sugar from the apple alone.

Elana
02-07-2003, 06:17 AM
OK...then let\'s get back on subject. I have used applesauce in recipes as well as a prune butter to replace fat, and they work great. It doesn\'t alter the taste of the recipe at all.

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 06:26 AM
well see, you\'re a health nut and i think you understood what i was saying from the very beginning. don\'t know why ppl had to go off on some tangent over sugar to start with but when they did i tryed to let them know that honey is better than any processed.

just like those pancakes..they heck lots better than any regular pancakes are and i just wanted to share those too.

chocolate is bad to eat, doesnt stop ppl from doing it /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
but some are better to eat than others too.

all i\'m trying to do is offer those that don\'t know a alternate method to processed crap.

Elana
02-07-2003, 06:31 AM
&lt;&lt;chocolate is bad to eat, doesnt stop ppl from doing it
but some are better to eat than others too.&gt;&gt;

I beg to differ. Good quality dark chocolate has signifigant amounts of antioxidants. Dove Dark chocolate has been found to have the highest levels compaired to other brands.

Elana
02-07-2003, 06:33 AM
My link was too long, so Bivonic shortened it for me. Go up a few posts and read why we all must eat our chocolate for the good of our bodies /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 06:45 AM
damn strings /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

Elana
02-07-2003, 06:48 AM
Unlike Bundy....I am not apologizing for ruining the thread. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif I think
it is important for every man, woman and child to know that we must include
chocolate in our diets /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 06:49 AM
you disagree yet turn around and say the same thing i just said..some are better to eat than others./

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 06:50 AM
are all strings doing this now or just the long ones??

Elana
02-07-2003, 06:50 AM
I disagree with what? I tend to think the same way you do when it comes to food. I am not disagreeing with anything that you are saying.

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 06:55 AM
DAMN, my cheesecake cracked /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

Elana
02-07-2003, 06:57 AM
Save me some. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

bivonic
02-07-2003, 06:59 AM
In case you were intimidated by the link Elana left, here\'s a pretty one:
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Elana
02-07-2003, 07:01 AM
You are so smart....how did you do that?
I\'ll go delete mine.

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 07:01 AM
i make a 2 tier cheescake, i use 1/2 my mix and add hershy cocoa mix to make it chocolate and then layer the cake white/choc/white/choc.. with top layer swirled /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
guess i\'ll add some strawberries or blueberries to cover the cracks.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-07-2003, 08:16 AM
AHA!
Remember the PMS Cures thread where I said I swore by hot chocolate made really strong with real chocolate for cramps? And here this article recommends real dark chocolate (not mix) for all these good health reasons. They should revise the PMS literature.
What a great link, thanks!

bivonic
02-07-2003, 08:57 AM
just make a ubb code such as this:

(left bracket)url=
paste your HTTP: / / Link here
(right bracket)

Text you want to display

(left bracket)/url
(right bracket)

Lucky
02-07-2003, 10:30 AM
Yummmm. Will you give us the recipe?

I\'d like to meet the bad dog that could get my chocolate from me!

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 10:34 AM
i\'d be glad too, however this isnt a health nut\'s type of cheescake, this is a diet bomb /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
i have many things that i eat thats based on health,,but sometimes i indulge..heh

Lucky
02-07-2003, 10:36 AM
Bomb away.

Lucky
02-07-2003, 10:39 AM
[http://love-scent.com/]
I\'m trying bivonic\'s code.
[http://love-scent.com/]

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 10:40 AM
sure. but it will take me a bit, long recipe and i only use two fingers /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

something i seem to do alot of..hum

Lucky
02-07-2003, 10:40 AM
What\'d I do wrong?

bivonic
02-07-2003, 10:40 AM
When you create a post just click on the
UBBCode in your posts.
link at the top, it will explain it better, you are missing the url keyword

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 10:56 AM
Marble Cheesecake

Graham crust(see below)
3 packages( 8 oz each) of cream cheese,softened
3/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup sour cream
2 teaspoons vanilla
3 tablespoons flour
3 eggs
1/4 cup hersheys cocoa
1/4 cup sugar
1 tablespoon oil
1/2 teaspoon vanilla

Prepare crust:cool
combine cream cheese,sugar,sour cream and 2 teaspoons vanilla in bowl; beat on med speed till smooth
add flour 1 tablespoon at a time blending well
add eggs;one at a time blending well
reserve one and 1/2 cups of the batter
in seprate bowl combine cocoa,sugar add oil and 1/2 teaspoon vanilla, ands the 1 1/2 cups reserved batter, mix till blended
spoon plain/chocolate batter in layers over crust, on last layer gently swirl them togeather
Bake at 450-10mins
WITHOUT opening oven reduce temp to 250 and bake 30 mins more, again WO opening over let it sit in the oven 30 more mins after turning oven off
loosen cake from rim, open spring, let cool, remove rim and refridge




Graham crust
1 cup graham crackers crumbs
2 teaspoons sugar
1/4 cup butter(melted)
Combine crumbs,sugar and butter then line bottem of a 9-in spring pan
Bake 10mins at 350

i like to top with rasberrie, sometimes strawberries, but any fruit is ok if you like fruit on it

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 11:01 AM
whew!!

Lucky
02-07-2003, 11:20 AM
Thanks, it looks wonderful.

Wolfe
02-07-2003, 11:33 AM
you\'re more than welcome
hope ya enjoy it as much as i do /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Wolfe
02-20-2003, 07:43 AM
great c.chip cookies

2 1/2 cups flour
1 teaspoon baking soda
1 teaspoon salt
1/2 # butter softened
3/4 cup sugar
3/4 light brown sugar-lightly packed
2 eggs-large
1 teaspoon vanilla
2 cups choc chips
1 cup nuts(optional)

in med bowl mix, flour, baking soda and salt-set aside.
in large bowl mix creamed butter,sugar and brown sugar.
beat in eggs and vanilla, gradually add in other dry ingredients till all is blended, stir in choc chips and nuts(if used--and they should be).
drop well rounded spoonfull onto ungreased baking sheet and bake 8-10mins in a preheated oven @ 375ยบ
this makes about 8 Dz 2\" cookies.

bivonic
02-20-2003, 07:54 AM
I went to a superbowl party &amp; this girl made these amazingly soft &amp; rich brownies, she said her secret was simple, just \"under-bake\" them &amp; that way stay moist.

Wolfe
02-20-2003, 07:59 AM
when it comes to brownies i use a mix made by Guittard( i use thier choc chips as well), never found a recipe better than thier premix...all i do is add the nuts(prefer pecans over others but walnuts are ok.)

BassMan
02-20-2003, 08:24 AM
This is a great read. I learned to do the chicken part.

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-Bass