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Shoe
02-03-2003, 08:01 PM
Well EW has been circulating for a little while and hopefully we can draw some broader conclusions, beyond the specific hits etc. I\'ve been using it on and off since it first came out and these patterns have been emerging....

- Women become catty and sometimes flat out mean! There were a couple of instances were there was competition over one particular guy (not me) in the group, as girls will do, not wanting to be outdone... needless to say he was a bit put out being clustered by PMS\'ing women.

- A bit of -nol type behaviour without -nol (hair flipping, giddy, lowered personal space etc.) Mostly at higher dosages. But the attraction is not attributed in my direction.

- Brain dead response in both guys and girls, already pretty well documented. Often makes for flat conversation... and I\'m already not a great conversationalist...

- When in a mix it seems to reduce overall effectiveness... perhaps creating a confusing signature.

- Guys are more friendly, especially with smaller amounts.

Overall not to useful for myself. Maybe if you already had a mix that gets you killer results adding a little EW wouldn\'t hurt too much and *you* would be the focus of competition.

I\'ve tried from 5 to about 30 drops of my 1 drop / oz. solution, spread widely around... Seems if you spread it thin the scent disappears quickly.

DrSmellThis
02-03-2003, 08:26 PM
thanks for your observations.

SonnyBlack
02-04-2003, 10:11 AM
ive gotten some pretty ok results wearing some diluted EW on myself. Girls seem to be alot friendlier to me (opening doors, smiling alot , etc.) and they start conversations with me...one thing that never happens to me since I suffer from the clint eastwood effect naturally...i think it might work for guys that suffer from this too..as it makes them seem trustworthy to a girl...and you cant forget about the fact that girls also like girls alot (i mean in a sexual way) which is evident by the amount of liberation seen in women who accept that theyre bisexual...

Shoe
02-04-2003, 03:08 PM
I come across as the nice guy, shy type. Maybe that\'s why it\'s not working to my advantage.

Elana
02-05-2003, 05:39 AM
<<and you cant forget about the fact that girls also like girls alot (i mean in a sexual way) which is evident by the amount of liberation seen in women who accept that theyre bisexual...>>

This is a joke, right?

MadMaxx
02-05-2003, 05:43 AM
You may be right. In your case you are just stabbing yourself in the foot. As some of you like to put it, I suffer from the \"Clint Eastwood Effect.\" I am not going to go into detail, but EW is a lifesaver for me. It has changed the dynamics between myself and women, and between mystelf and men.

DrSmellThis
02-05-2003, 06:24 AM
Has EW ever gotten you laid? I\'ve had results only with bisexual young women. (although I never called either of them to see if I could take it furher.)

SonnyBlack
02-05-2003, 10:02 AM
why would it come across as a joke to you....I remember growing up I would never ever hear anything about women being bisexual (now calm down and sit down ..I know your personal sexual preferences ...and im not directing this at you)..Now all you hear is girls being bisexual...from the girls on The Real World to just about everyone on Jerry Springer...its much easier for girls to come to grips with the fact that they will always have an attraction for other women now a days...its almost normal...wheras if a guy had those kind of tendencies hed be considered gay...but again for a girl its perfectly normal and healthy...i think i went off track a little but you all know what I mean...

Elana
02-05-2003, 10:05 AM
There are no more women than men switching teams. The difference is....women admit it. Men shut their mouths

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 10:07 AM
It\'s NOT perfectly normal and healthy. It\'s no more normal and healthy for us to be gay than it is for YOU to be gay. Let\'s put a big emphasis on bringing out your latent homosexuality and putting it on display and pressuring you to be with guys, \'cause that really entertains me ... how does that feel to you, SonnyBlack? That\'s the crap that\'s being done to young girls. It\'s media hype and it\'s bullsh!t.

You can even see this with reactions to EW, and they\'re quite pronounced. I\'ve had gay women hit on me with EW and they never did before. And I\'ve had straight women close up tight as a fist around me and refuse to give me the time of day.

There IS such a thing as straight women - the proportion of straight women to bi women has not changed - the pressure on straight women to act bi for guy\'s gratification has increased, and the pressure on straight women to \"accept\" that they are inherently bisexual has increased, and it\'s wrong. Think how you would feel if it were being done to your sex, and come around on this one, please. Don\'t spread that nonsense. Look at your source, even. Jerry Springer?? C\'mon, now.

Elana
02-05-2003, 10:09 AM
<<It\'s media hype and it\'s bullsh!t.>>

It sure is!

Elana
02-05-2003, 10:15 AM
<<the pressure on straight women to act bi for guy\'s gratification has increased>>

When I was a dancer, every guy thought I was bi. That was a huge money maker

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 10:20 AM
It\'s their favorite fantasy, and that\'s cool, but godDAMN I\'m tired of hearing it preached as truth. Women are NOT inherently bisexual, no more than men are. And I do beg you, put the shoe on the other foot and see how it feels. You\'d be just as sick of it and just as fed up. Am I right?

Elana
02-05-2003, 10:23 AM
You are absolutely right. My point was that while every single guy who watched me and the girls I danced with \"knew\" that we were all bi. Not a single one of us were. We were all 100% into dick. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

SonnyBlack
02-05-2003, 10:25 AM
well it may be because I come from a small town or something but I recall watching tv as a kid and not seeing half as much bisexual propaganda on tv for women....I know this for a fact...I have nothing wrong with women being bisexual...I as many men..think its sexy....but you have to agree that theres this bond shared by women that allows them to check each other out...admire each other\'s beauty, etc...which sometimes leads to girls being naturally interested in other girls...not like they become lesbian all of the sudden but they have a soft spot for other females...I knew that by stating something like i did above I would rile up a couple of females...it wasnt meant to do that but cmon RED how come anytime someone says something about the quirks or just behavior of women you have to jump in and prove your point...you should also learn to listen to some points shared by the other members and not right away come in as the defense attorney for all the women in the world...relax baby...i meant no harm

Elana
02-05-2003, 10:25 AM
This is just something that they want so bad to believe is true. It\'s just not. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 10:30 AM
BISEXUAL PROPAGANDA, exactly. How would you feel if that was being done to you??

You need to pull your condenscening little head out of your condescending little ass ... guess what? If you\'re going to write stuff that\'s just wrong about women, I\'m going to come on and provide an opposing viewpoint. So you may as well relax about it, baby.

SonnyBlack
02-05-2003, 10:40 AM
well rest assure that when you come out with bullshit comments as well or try to bite some poor newbies head off for stating his point and try to blame it on your PMS problems ill be there to pull your red hair out of your ass...cheers babe

Whitehall
02-05-2003, 10:41 AM
Dearest Elana,


Thank you, thank you, thank you.


\"We were all 100% into dick.\"


It\'s so nice to feel needed and appreciated once again.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 10:44 AM
I\'m not pms-ing, I just get real tired of reading bullsh!t. If I implied that you were bi, wouldn\'t you want to say something about it? And if I told you just to relax about it, wouldn\'t it annoy you?

I\'ll let it go if you\'ll tell me you\'ll think about the idea that maybe Jerry Springer is not the best place to get your information about women.

Elana
02-05-2003, 10:47 AM
FTR- You are ruining a fantasy for them. That is all it is. It is one big fantasy. Men are going to fight you on this, because they don\'t want to believe that you are right.....but you are. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Wolfe
02-05-2003, 10:48 AM
sorry, but i CAN\'T see any of the ladies i\'ve seen around here being \'pressured\' into anything.

Elana
02-05-2003, 10:51 AM
No..........Thank you Whitehall! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif You are the one\'s that provide them /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

SonnyBlack
02-05-2003, 10:54 AM
agreed about the part about jerry springer

Whitehall
02-05-2003, 10:58 AM
It turns out that the homosexuality population is fairly constant across cultures and eras at 6% of the guys and 3% of the women. There are flexible boundaries on what is a homosexual or lesbian since maybe a quarter of the population has had at least one sexual experience with a partner of the same sex.

Some ecological niches give more or less reproductive advantage/disadvantage to homosexuality. The advantages include earlier and more frequent sexual partners of both sexes - that provides early experience for young men which can be of help in later heterosexual activities. The disadvantages include greater exposure to disease. Hence, populations with little or no population flux (nobody moving in and nobody moving out) have less risk of disease carried by sexual activity tend to have a slightly higher homosexual population than modern industrial societies.

An example is AIDS. Isolated population groups have avoided AIDS because no one\'s buttfuking strangers. AIDS first came to light in highly mobile, cosmopolitan populations - San Francisco, for example, and in populations with high mobility and loose sexual stictures like African long-haul truck drivers.

Personally, I\'ll stick with women and prefer women that prefer men, ie those that are \"100% into dick.\"

But, hey, do what you gotta do - just don\'t ask me to watch.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:01 AM
Peace, SonnyBlack and I\'m sorry I jumped on you. It\'s just come to the point that it\'s like straight women are considered abnormal because they\'re NOT bi. Me and Elana, anyway, are exceptions to the rule - 100% about the dick. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

It\'s kind of astonishing to me that women are now in the position to have to defend the fact that they\'re straight. It\'s like, now everybody \"knows\" that all women are bi.

Honest to god, we\'re not. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:04 AM
\"Personally, I\'ll stick with women and prefer women that prefer men, ie those that are \"100% into dick.\"

Hooray for Whitehall! There should be statues of you in the parks and children with flowers in their hair should dance around them singing your praises....

Whitehall
02-05-2003, 11:19 AM
\"There should be statues of you in the parks\"

There is only one - but it\'s not in a park. May I direct your attention to:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/visualarts/david_big.html (\"http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/visualarts/david_big.html\")

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:21 AM
Oh, my. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Whitehall
02-05-2003, 11:23 AM
OK, so it\'s not really me.

But you\'ve seen my photos and there is a resemblence (my hair is straight), is there not?

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:24 AM
Yes, actually, there is. Quite a resemblance.

MOBLEYC57
02-05-2003, 11:29 AM
\"There are no more women than men switching teams. The difference is....women admit it. Men shut their mouths.\"


I don\'t know about the rest of the world, but I was born in the meat section of Win Dixie \"THE BEEF PEOPLE,\" and I\'ve been liking women ALLLLLLLL my life. I \"\"\"ain\'t\"\"\" switching nothing! I had a woman tell me that I had thoughts about sleeping with a man once....I\'m sure she was smoking crack! I wish all men turned gay except me...then I\'d charge for my services, and more women for me! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif Yup! They\'re changing sides by the day, but still....it\'s the same. I have a gay female friend, and she complains that her girl hasn\'t giving her any in over 7 months! Can you say Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!? It\'s still the same......once the lust dies out, you\'d better have lots of money to keep them around. Bi! Tri! Whatever blows your hair back! Give me WOMAN or give me death! PERIOD!!!

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:32 AM
I think we should have a \"Straight Pride\" march and show ourselves. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

SonnyBlack
02-05-2003, 11:33 AM
very cool post... very well said

franki
02-05-2003, 11:36 AM
Personally I never understood why guys are turned on by girls that are bi. For me it is more something of a turn-off to hear/see a girl is bi.

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:37 AM
Oh, you\'re just saying that to calm me down. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Whitehall
02-05-2003, 11:39 AM
\"Oh, you\'re just saying that to calm me down. \"

Sure hope it\'s working!

franki
02-05-2003, 11:39 AM
Oh no, it is true. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

(But I know you wanted to hear that, otherwise I wouldn\'t have posted)

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:40 AM
It is really good to hear. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

MOBLEYC57
02-05-2003, 11:48 AM
Be careful....even I think we\'re getting outnumbered by the second. Someone would probably pay a sniper or someone to knock us off! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Sony - Thanks! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Franki - It\'s because it\'s something different. You\'ll find that once you can master amusing yourself....you can deal with the world, with a SMILE! It\'s like I had a girl once that her idea of a man was one that would hit on a women, and she push and push, but could never get me to hit her or put my hands on her to hurt her. She even lied on me, and to look at me and not know me....even you would believe that I did. Once you got to know me, you\'d know she lied. I couldn\'t figure it out until someone told me she used to come to work all black and blue...that\'s when I understood. I\'ve said all that to say....you\'ll never truely understand everything, especially when it deals with other people. If you get caught up on that wagon....you\'re gonna lose your hair! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:50 AM
Whitehall, it is ... but wouldn\'t you go rabid if every time you turned around it was assumed you were bi ?

MOBLEYC57
02-05-2003, 11:51 AM
Yes FTR! Puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze calm down! {{{{{{{{{{SMOOCH}}}}}}}}}}} /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif Don\'t want to have to come to D.C. to bail you out! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 11:57 AM
You don\'t want to experience the liberation of expressing your gay side, Mobley?
\'Cause you know you men all love each other in that way. All of you do.

Wolfe
02-05-2003, 11:58 AM
you\'d have to put blinkers on those \'headlights\' of her to keep ppl from bumbing into them /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

MOBLEYC57
02-05-2003, 12:02 PM
HONEY...............Just say no to drugs!!! The crack pipe is not the way FTR!!! Get back into the liiiiiiiiiight! Stay in the liiiiiiiiiiight! Ain\'t nothing going between these cheeks but tissue paper and wash cloth, and sometimes I\'m a little stingy with that! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 12:03 PM
Naw. Can\'t be true. You\'re not normal, then, \'cause everybody knows all guys are gay.

franki
02-05-2003, 12:06 PM
Maybe you have to add you are joking, because not everyone here seems to understand the concept of a joke. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 12:07 PM
I was hoping Mobley would write back all upset, so I could ask him if he\'s PMS-ing and then tell him to calm down.

/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Besides, who\'s joking? It\'s true. I saw it on tv.

MOBLEYC57
02-05-2003, 12:09 PM
It just ain\'t sooooooo! /ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif Next time someone tells ya that honey.....grab\'em in the collar! Bodyslam\'em 15 times! And say, \"Smile, you\'re on Candid Camera!\" Then, look\'em in the eyes and ask, \"How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop!?\" /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

MOBLEYC57
02-05-2003, 12:11 PM
Oh! Sowwy!! *&&%*&%&%#! (*^*(^!!!!!!! %#@^%&^%!!!! Better dear? /ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif

I\'m really gay on Christmas Day! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

nonscents
02-05-2003, 12:12 PM
Did you ever read about Athens and Sparta, Greece in the 5th Century BC. Homosexuality was not tolerated. Men had wives and had sex with women and prostitutes, not with other men. But . . . an upper-class male was looked upon highly when he took a boy under his tutelage, educated him, and, by the way, stuck his member into the boy\'s orifices.

Now I am sympathetic with FTR\'s complaint. She doesn\'t want to be told that all women want someone else\'s pussy. But Whitehall isn\'t totally off base. Social conventions loom large in how we behave sexually.

(Full disclosure: I have only had sex with women and sheep.)

Today, we\'d look at Greece\'s Golden Age as a time where child sexual abuse was socially acceptable. There are guys today who think that the Greeks had it right (I don\'t!!) and that guys should be able to pork boys.

I think there is a biological component, but social/cultural norms play a huge role in determining what we find sexually pleasurable. If I were an Athenian male citizen in 450 BC I suppose I\'d be hunting for some nice young boy whom I could get up the anus. (Just look at sexual behavior in prisons in advanced contemporary societies like the USA.)

bivonic
02-05-2003, 03:22 PM
<blockquote><font class=\"small\">In reply to:</font><hr>

Originally Posted by Shoe:
I\'ve tried from 5 to about 30 drops of my 1 drop / oz. solution, spread widely around... Seems if you spread it thin the scent disappears quickly.

<hr></blockquote>
I just added 2 drops of EW to an 8 fl oz. of Bath &amp; Body Works, green tea and cucumber essence body splash.

Does this sound like too little or too much? It\'s not the 1 drop / oz quantity shoe tried but rather 25% the dosage, but then again he just applied it via drops &amp; I intend to spray it all over my body, I\'ll try one spray first on a lower part of my body to make sure it is not way too powerful, any thoughts?

Thanks!

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 03:30 PM
That sounds like a lot. Shoe was using a dilute and adding drops of that dilute mix to a cologne (his \"1 drop / oz. solution\"). See what happens.

Shoe
02-05-2003, 04:08 PM
My solution was 1 drop EW in one ounce water. I applied this directly... up to 30 drops (but spread thinly ALL over). Cologne was applied separately.

The stinkiness of the solution dies down quite a bit, letting it sit for a few days after mixing.

bundyburger
02-05-2003, 04:14 PM
&lt;Bundy clasps his hands over his ears&gt;

- ok calm down Bundy, what they are saying isn\'t true. What they are saying isn\'t true. It\'s cool. All women ARE bi.
- Stop hyperventilating man... . Look they are just saying that to throw us off.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 04:43 PM
rofl

Goofball! /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

Gerund
02-05-2003, 04:55 PM
Lissen up, you ladies:

Just so you know: If it also isn\'t true that girls always have pillow fights (while wearing only bras and panties) during sleepovers, I just simply don\'t want to hear about it!!!!!!!!!

Don\'t try to tell me otherwise -- I\'m not going to listen, and you can\'t make me!

**DONOTDELETE**
02-05-2003, 04:59 PM
That one\'s true, actually.

Gerund
02-05-2003, 05:02 PM
WHEW!

I KNEW it was true! I KNEW it was true! I was sure, all along! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif Lalalala lalalalala lalalalala Yeah, baby!

MadMaxx
02-05-2003, 09:05 PM
Dr. Smell,

Well, I have gotten laid, but I can\'t say that it was entirely due to EW, since I never use it alone. I always use it with my other favorites such as JB and maybe some SOE. I do not know whether it would get one laid or not if it were used alone. What I am confident of though, is that it is not preventing me from getting laid, and I figure that all in all it is probably helping me in that department, rather than being a detriment. Unfortunately, I don\'t have a long list of successes to report, but that is NOT due to the lack of effectiveness of the products I am using, including EW. You see, even before pheros, as well as now, I have always been highly selective about who I am willing to copulate with. There is nothing really deep in this I don\'t think. It is just the way I am. I simply do not enjoy it unless the woman meets certain criteria of beauty, sexiness, etc. My criteria rules out a lot of women to say the least, but it isn\'t really a choice. It\'s just the way it is. I have tried doing otherwise, but it is just a disappointing waste of time. Anyway, without too much hard evidence, and mostly going by reading reactions of certain women to me(in some cases it is obvious that they are wanting it), I think EW can be effective for some people, such as myself, if used in combination with -none, etc.

Blackwidow_Woman
02-05-2003, 10:16 PM
&gt;Ain\'t nothing going between these cheeks but tissue paper and wash cloth, ) well you forgot alittle tounge in between them cheeks hehehehe!!! FTR and Elana you forgot im dick only to... /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

DrSmellThis
02-06-2003, 03:58 AM
It wouldn\'t offend me for someone to think I was \"partly bisexual,\" as I suppose I am, loosely speaking. All my first sexual experiences were with guys, until my mid-teens. Yet now, I doubt very much I could ever act in such a way. I occasionally have fantasies, I think just to test myself to see if I could enjoy the act of thinking about it when I\'m extra horny. Despite all this I view myself as \"plain ol\' hetero.\"

In my experience, women who react as do Elana and FTR are in the minority (to be sure, however, the \"liberal crowd\" I run with is not representative of the US of A). Most of the women who I have talked about intimate things with have painted a somewhat mixed picture of themselves, moreso than the men I know. Then again more men I know had actual sexual experiences with at least one male. (possibly due to general horniness) I am pretty good at getting people to speak openly.

That said, no one should pressure anyone to do something that grosses them out, is against their values, or is counter to their core self image.

Here is something I downloaded from a bisexuality website that speaks to some of the issues and difficulties of talking about bisexuality in the population. Population studies are so far inadequate, in part due to such issues and difficulties.

\"bisexuality is increasingly accepted as genuine... There are three ways in which people commonly define their own and others\' sexuality; by what they feel, by what they try, or by what they repeatedly do. This applies in particular to the issue of bisexuality.

Psychologists report that around seventy percent of their male subjects have had sexual experiences of some kind with both genders; for women, the figure is placed around forty percent. Obviously these statistics are flawed as the subjects are not necessarily a representative cross-section of society, and social pressures may still prevent many people from admitting to their behaviour, which might account for something of the apparent difference between men and women; but they do, nevertheless, allow us to estimate the number of people who have at least experimented physically with bisexuality.

A more recent report from the American psychologists\' association proposed that approximately ninety percent of people are bisexual \'to some extent\', with three percent being heterosexual, three percent homosexual and three percent naturally celibate.

However, how many of these people have or would like to repeat their experiences? Here the figures become unclear. There is much debate over whether a person who has experimented once with one gender, but otherwise has sexual and / or emotional contact only with the other, constitutes a \'true bisexual.\'

Many people would consider it more straightforward to argue that, of these people, only those who continue to experience desire for members of both sexes are bisexual. However, others argue that if sexuality is judged by desire alone then many people would be included in the category of bisexuality who have never had sexual experiences with different genders. Perhaps the best response to this is that heterosexual-identified people had sex at all are not generally questioned regarding their status as \'real heterosexuals\'. But it does raise the question of whether to include those people who have desires for both genders but, for social or personal reasons, would never act on those desires.

Some people consider that the term \'bisexual\' is inappropriate in itself, because it implies a division of the sexual instinct into desire for men and desire for women, rather than simply desire for people; hence the terms \'omnisexual\' and \'pansexual\' have also arisen. While many feel that sexuality is something which should not be classified at all, the majority argue that some classification is necessary for social and political reasons.\"

franki
02-06-2003, 04:03 AM
OK, so apparently 70 percent of males has had sexual experiences with both genders. I find it hard to believe so many men have sexual experiences with other males. What kind of actions? I assume the majority of them didn\'t have intercourse with other males.

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

DrSmellThis
02-06-2003, 04:38 AM
I don\'t know the definition of \"sexual\" used. Where\'s Bill Clinton when you need him?

**DONOTDELETE**
02-06-2003, 05:39 AM
From what I was taught, it\'s very common in adolescence to have same sex experiences. It\'s something many people do before they grow up. Guys, from what I was told in sexuality classes, masturbate together or expore oral together when they\'re very young, before they get involved with women, and I know many men who don\'t think too much about receiving oral from another guy and do not define themselves as bi or gay because they accept that easily. My first sexual experience was with a woman - I was 13 and she was 18. It was pleasant to kiss and snuggle, but I never got sexually aroused, despite her best efforts. I was making out with boys at the movies, though, and that got me plenty hot. Later, in my twenties, I had friends who were lesbians and they used to take me and a woman friend (friend as in \"just friends\") out to lesbian bars and I had another go at it with a waitress who came on to me, to no avail. It just doesn\'t click for me that way. Most people have passing fantasies about same sex encounters. People fantasize about a lot of things. I don\'t think an occasional passing fantasy defines one\'s sexual orientation. And the problem I have with the notion gaining credence in popular culture that all women are inherently bisexual is that it appears to me to be yet another way in which women\'s sexuality is being defined by men and by Madison Avenue. I have felt the pressure of a guy assuming with perfect confidence that I\'m bisexual because I\'m female, and wanting to act out some fantasies in that regard, and being incredulous when I\'ve said I\'m just not interested, to the point that I have had to say, yes, I did try it, and go through my history, before they would accept the idea that I really am straight. I don\'t think women are any more inherently bisexual than men are. But that is not what popular culture is putting out. It puts a lot of pressure on straight women to do things sexually that they don\'t want to do for the sake of achieving a norm that, I believe, does not exist in women any more than it does in men. I\'ve been made to feel inadequate because I\'m NOT bisexual, an experience not uncommon among women, currently. To me, this has gone past the point of reason.Another problem I have with it is that it seems to denigrate lesbian relationships. I\'ve talked with guy friends who\'ve said girl/girl sex isn\'t sex. It\'s just girls \"messing around.\" I don\'t understand why those same guys get offended and indignant when the shoe is put on the other foot. I don\'t understand why it should be so easy for a woman to integrate homosexual experience into her persona but a straight man would not be expected to and most are appalled by the suggestion. Lesbian sex is just as much real sex and just as much perceived by straight women as foreign to their orientation as guy/guy sex is to a straight guy. Most people now understand that it\'s cruel and unusual punishment, so to speak, to try to force someone who is gay into a hetero orientation. Most people are able to leave homosexuality alone, and not insist that homosexuals go straight, and can accept that they are what they say they are and respect them for that. Which is a huge stride forward. Now, if we could just get that kind of acceptance at face value that a straight woman is straight and that straight women do indeed exist, I\'d be real happy. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

MOBLEYC57
02-06-2003, 07:34 AM
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! STOP IT!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

MOBLEYC57
02-06-2003, 07:45 AM
Doc I agree with everything you\'ve said, even the stuff I don\'t understand, Buuuuuut as close as I can even THINK I\'ve come in contact with another male was when I was around 9. Me and three of my buddies used to masturbate together to see who\'d get a cummer first.....as a bet. Needless to say....I\'ve won my share of Grape sodas and butter cookies. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif My fantasies always included two women, but now that that\'s all said and done, it\'s all with the stars, like Janet Jackson, Sharon Stone, etc. etc. And that\'s only if I have a serious build up! /ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif Can\'t just sleep with anybody these days. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif If a man slips into my fantasy...I\'m kicking his ass!!!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif You\'re deep Doc......that\'s cool! Tater!!!

**DONOTDELETE**
02-06-2003, 07:56 AM
How come everybody\'s posts are displaying so wide that I can\'t see a whole line of text in my screen but have to move ALLLL the way right and ALLLL the way back left to read a sentence?

Elana
02-06-2003, 07:59 AM
Our darling Bundy screwed up the thread when he came to terms with the fact that not all women are Bi. Go back to his last post and you will see what I am talking about.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-06-2003, 09:02 AM
DrST and Mobley for what you wrote.

Wolfe
02-06-2003, 09:20 AM
ive got same prob\'

Whitehall
02-06-2003, 09:23 AM
It looks like the forum software doesn\'t do word wraps well.

I\'ve noticed this before especially when someone posts a long URL.

MOBLEYC57
02-06-2003, 02:20 PM
\"How come everybody\'s posts are displaying so wide that I can\'t see a whole line of text in my screen but have to move ALLLL the way right and ALLLL the way back left to read a sentence?\"

Could it be.......Bruce\'s Forum is a product of Wal Mart and not Radio Shack!!? /ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif Just kidding Bruce. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif Anywho, someone fixed it! Musta been the maintenance man! What......ever!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif Tater!!

bundyburger
02-06-2003, 05:00 PM
&lt;&lt;Our darling Bundy screwed up the thread when he came to terms with the fact that not all women are Bi. Go back to his last post and you will see what I am talking about. &gt;&gt;

Oh \"I\" did that?? Ooops. Sorry everybody. It was pissing me off too.

Should get Bruce to edit it or remove it. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
02-06-2003, 09:31 PM
wow I wish people were more laid back and non judgemental and relaxed. Let people think what they want without juming all over their throats.