Enlargement

[bjf]

I have always felt adequete down there but just the other night last week, after falling asleep with the tv on, i was awoken at like 4 in the morning to a informercial about penis enlargement.

I saw they had a webstite, so i searched the company the next day and found all sorts of sites (but not for that partcular company). I am intrigued, because supposeivelly you can gain like 2 to 3 inches just taking a pill for a couple of months. I don\'t know about 3, but I would take 2. Now I know that on a discussion group for people who use phermones that there has got to be guys who have tried this stuff. Can you tell me if it actually worked? I read some reviews on the net that said it did. I always thought it was a crock... some of them have mnoney back guarantees

[krtel]

We had a very long discussion on this in the Off Topic Section. Here is the link: http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=offTopic&Number=35609&page =&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1 (\"http://www.server2.love-scent.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=offTopic&Number=35609&page =&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1\")

- Krish

[Elana]

bjf- Do a search on the Off Topics forum. There is a thread called \"Enlargement.\" I\'ll bump it up for you

Never mind /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif Krish already posted it

[bjf]

thanks

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I hope you have a really good anti-spam program. Ever since that thread when I clicked on some of the sites mentioned, I\'ve been getting pop-ups and messages about making my dick bigger. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif I\'m starting to get a complex.

[Elana]

Renee- You have nothing to worry about...trust me /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif you are in good shape /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

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[bjf]

that\'s what has been keeping my interest since the infomerical....i get these pop ups on this forum and stuff about penis enlargement. BTW - I am not interested in people\'s experiences with exercises - no way am i doing that or surgery. Just wanting to know if the pills work. I don\'t seee how u can take herbs that work on one part of your body,t hat\'s what i don\'t get

[**DONOTDELETE**]

That\'s like those breast enlargement pills. You look at the ingredients and they\'re all estrogen related herbs. God only knows what effect those huge doses would have on the rest of the woman\'s body/cycle. I\'m awfully skeptical.

[bjf]

after reading the archive post on enlargement, i don\'t think i would try it unless any memebers have done the pills and can say it works. it seems that alot of u guys have done exercies. I am not going to mess around with pulling my dick so it stretches, it deserves a lot better than that. But what is wierd to me is how on a site like drugstore.com their were reviews for these pils and said it worked. I had heard that phermones only worked if a owmen was within a foot away and never believed in them until i clicked on a spam email for APC a month ago. Now i know they work. Not as well as I would like, but they work.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Yeah. I thought about that too. I\'ve seen Xenadrine ads and thought those pills and others like it were hogwash in a capsule, and then people here start talking about them and they have results. Makes you wonder. Maybe it wouldn\'t hurt to try them.

[upsidedown]

I think that infomercial is working on the P.T. Barnum theory......

[Wolfe]

there is a site that offers a program to enlarge, it\'s a pill that goes along with a exercise program to work togeather to do the job. now if it works or not, i cant say. but in a way it does make sence(the exercise part does anyways)

[Walter_Mitty]

I think most infomercials work on that theory...

[Wolfe]

as a thought here, why cant it be enlarged through exercise??..every other \'muscle\' we have can be /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[bjf]

i think that the pills may just be for your body\'s circulation and the exercies, if you can actualy do them, do the real work. I suspect it is easier to sell the thing if you are giving pills rather than just a sheet with instructions for exercises. But if people have just taken he pills and they work, let us know

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Ok, I\'m stupid and I don\'t own the equipment, but answer me this: if pulling on it made it bigger, wouldn\'t every guy have one down to his knees???

[voodoo]

I think depending on what the pills contain it may prove harmful...how old are you bjf? There are probably certain things you should and shouldn\'t take depending on age an testosterone production...

[bjf]

with those exerices, that is what is all is. pulling and stretching. It just takes a lot of time and it is just too difficult to get it down to your knees let alone add an inch or two. Just went toa healthboards.com thing, and i sw a post someone wrote about how people wer all saying the pills were a rip off but some of the exercices can do stuf.

i guess pills are a joke. i don\'t see how they can sell them though and make so many claims

[upsidedown]

>>i guess pills are a joke. i don\'t see how they can sell them though and make so many claims <<

I think the key here is that they probably know it\'s not going to work, but just count on very few people ever taking the time to send it back for a refund. Most guys will just not bother....and they can keep the money.

[bjf]

oh definitely. alot people don\'t bother with the guarntees, i know i don\'t. But isn\'t making the guarntees about growth like ridiculously explcicit false advertising?? The pills don\'t have any herbs that affect testerone levels btw. Somoene had asked me that

[TBiRD]

To clear some things up :

!!!There is no pill in the world , that will make your penis grow !!! No , nada , niente , njet !!!

I checked the ingridients on most of those pills , and its totally HOAX.

The only thing it \"might\" do is increase blood flow to the penis.
This is due to ingredients like Tribullus, Ginseng and other herbal viagra alternatives. Erections will be much quicker , harder , and you will be able to hold it up longer.

A healthy life-style will do the same but its a good thing for oldies and impotents.


Aight , Enlargement :

Working with \"stretching\" and \"milking\" techniques will not result in any kind of growth. It will just make your organ a little healthier , through increased blood circulation / blood flow...again resulting in quicker / harder / longer stiff-on\'s.

There is only one thing known to me that really works is a tool called PeniMaster.
Look , this is no advertisment for it just the facts.
I did some research in this area (never wrong to have few extra inches.....) and have found this product . Now let me tell you , I\' ve seen lots off fake/hoax sites claiming bullshit , and this is the only one so far that actually has a forum with real members who report their results.
I also like their honest attitude.

They have a money back garantuee / working Hotline with good support / and they replace all the small parts of the tool for a life time (for free)

The thing I\'m talking about can be found on the site http://www.penis.info/English/ (\"http://www.penis.info/English/\")
U should get an idea of how it is supposed to work by looking at the pic. Or reading this text :

\"Growth of the erected and flabby penis:
Length:
0,75 cm and more per month
total 2 up to 7 cm and more
Circumference:
up to 1,5 cm and more

PeniMaster stimulates the cellular growth of the penis by forcing a durable pull to the tissue and softly stretching the suspension tendon inside the body.\"

This is a real claim. As you can see the english forum aint up yet, because this is a german site. However I read through the whole german forum to find out how it worked for the \"real users\"

Results are : some really grew in length , some grew too but only by very little. However ,all long-time users (atleast 2 month) experienced an increase in girth (thickness) of the penis. [I\'m sure every woman agrees , that thickness is actually way more important than length - but tastes differ)


So well , I read lots of those user testimonials , I knew that it obviously really works and.................. I decided not to buy it.

The thing that stopped me from doing so is :
I already happen to be the owner of a good sized red-helmeted warrior , and having to go through 2 - 6 month of serious pain for few \"useless\" extra inches is not worth it.

Just think about :

All the successfull forum-PeniMaster users drew the conclusion , that u have to wear this thing daily !!!!! for atleast 2-3 hours in order to be effective.

In these 3 hours u will not be able to walk around or work and by the end u will have to deal with your dearest member turning blue from the constant pulling and blood-cutoff.

This for 6 month scared me off....Not worth the fun ...


But , for they guys out there who have a really small willie this thing is the only one that could possibly work for u....incase u have lots of free time , and aint affraid of some pain

[bjf]

if i was three of four inches, i would probably do it. i mean the pain of that type of embarassement is worse. But i think i am somewhat average, considering how much people lie on those penis studies, so there is no way doign anything liek that to such a delicate part of my body would be worth it

[upsidedown]

I think by doing anything that stretches you, you run the risk of doing some serious permanent damage. Why risk it?

[TBiRD]

exactly ! why risk it unless totally desperate....

Work on the technique ! Your girl will thank you /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[DrSmellThis]

I\'m pretty sure there are tribes in Africa that lengthen their penises by hanging weights, etc from an early age -- but it turns out to be more a form of self mutilation, I think. I\'ve seen some photographs, (here come the wisecracks /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif)and wouldn\'t care to try it...

[qrius]

try pumps! yes, it\'ll cost you 30 minutes a couple of times a week, and yes, it takes a couple of months before you\'ve gained considerable and lasting results, but i know they work. pills are just scam, or else averyone would have used it...nothing is free, and here is where you start paying... in sweat! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif seriously, people pay thousands of dollars and go through painful surgery to gain an inch or two, if you\'re lucky, wouldn\'t they just take a pill instead?

but i know vacuum pumping works, i\'ve seen pictures of girls pumping their labia(don\'t ask why) to the point where it\'s hard to recognize and also seen lots of pictures (from actual useres, not those stupid commercial before/after pics) where they\'ve got good results. but, like exercise and bodybuilding it doesn\'t happen over night...

the only thing is, buy a pretty expensive pump and not those cheap ass wannabe pumps from sleazy porn shops...i have been told by an independent user (with nothing to gain by encouraging me to buy from this site) that this one is very pro. they even ask for your measurements and give you customized stuff....check it out if you will, www.drjoelkaplan.com (\"http://www.drjoelkaplan.com\") this dude, joel kaplan, is also a well- known penile expert of some sort, i\'ve heard several other experts quote him, and not just on the highway of bull sh*t, also in serious magazines...

[bjf]

i thought pumps were just tempoary. i can\'t see how something using air could be long lasting

[druid]

ive heard that pumps only help with length. i think girth is more important.

[qrius]

the ones i\'ve talked to (and i was sceptical as well, i talked to some guys on this discussion...) told me that it was actually easier to see results with girth than with length. and, like for instance body building, you see results straight after the training, but then you slowly go back to normal size, but when repeated enough times over some time, the results where more and more lastin untill you one day have permanently gained size, and allthough that day may not come for atleast a couple of months, you will, if you use it frequently, be \"pumped\" just like when you go to the gym, you gain temporary muscles that disappear in a couple of days.

hope you catch my drift here, i\'m very tired, therefore...i can\'t think very straight.... zzzzzzzzz

[marv14yag]

I\'m suprised noone has mentioned it. And, I do believe that girl is much more important. As a lot of girls supposedly complain about going too deep ANYWAY!

Anyway, I\'m suprised noone has mentioned PC flexes. The repeated flexing and relaxing of the Pycocogygeus muslce. It is an ACTUAL muscle. And it will make you wider and you\'ll be able to hold out longer.

Last time I checked, stretching won\'t do antyhing but stretch it, and that would still take away girth.

And pumps do nothing more than increase the amount of blood that can go in there. You can cause permanent damage. And, even if it does work, and get no damage, it would probably sacrifice density.

The only real way is to increase the muscle size.

PC flexes are the ONLY way to do that.

Bart

[Whitehall]

Got to agree with you Bart, girth is more important. I too find that with many women, it\'s easy to be too long - or so go the complaints I get.

With girth, the vagina loves to be stretched, as in childbirth. The more stretching, the more oxytocin released and the more lovey-dovey feelings she\'ll have for you.

Having said this, I\'m sure the women will chime it telling me I\'m all wrong - DON\'T believe them! I am a skilled and experienced operator and I know what works on \'em.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Your theories on oxytocin being released by stretching of the vagina I would really like to see some back-up for, and an explanation of what causes it, then, to be released in men, because it is. I don\'t buy the stretching of the vagina thing. You state it as though it were fact. I think it\'s a theory of yours. And maybe it\'s true. I\'d just like to see some evidence. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[marv14yag]

Well, Whitehall, you also have to remember that the more stretched out the genetilia also, the more sensitive it is.

Bart

[marv14yag]

Be released in men? Last time I checked, without excessive steroids men tdon\'t produce milk...

Look it up...Dictionary..

Causes release of milk and other femanine hormones.

Bart

[bivonic]

I don\'t have experience regarding the chemical names & such. I did have this one girlfriend who was so sensitive she knew when my girth increased during intercourse, I guess it does that soon before ejaculation, it really turned her on & everytime we made love she would tell me when it happened, I\'d be oblivious other then the fact that I knew I was getting turned on & I\'d be cuming soon thereafter (not because she signalled it to me - she wouldn\'t have to tell me!). She also demanded I never wore condoms so she could feel the texture of my firm erect penis. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Bart, do a search on google. Oxytocin is not milk, has nothing to do with milk. It\'s the \"love\" chemical. It is released in men and in women. It makes the high we feel when we\'re in love.

[Whitehall]

Red,

Since I can\'t be there to offer a practical demonstration, google \"fisting\"

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/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

I will; while I\'m at it, tell me what produces oxytocin in men? Will that also be under \"fisting\"?

[Whitehall]

In men - Ejaculation and maybe nipple tweaking. Other than that, I don\'t know. Men are more into vasopressin.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Send me a link - there\'s too much baloney to wade through. Oxytocin release is not dependent on physical actions.

But you and I can talk about it when you have time rather than pull the thread off track.

[Lucky]

I\'m not complaining.

Would empathogens like 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine and 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine create the same oxytocin action?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

If the guy\'s wide enough. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[TBiRD]

Aight lets collect some info on the PC Muscle thing.....

Is there any DOCTOR APPROVED method of training it.....
some sites suggest flexing it daily and for hours -
Wich I consider bullshit - If its a muscle than it has to be trained this way : 1 day of lexing , one day of resting to ensure proper regeneration. If u do it to much u will have overtraining and the muscle will do the opposite = shrink !

So plz post some studys or approved information on the PC muscle training method....not some mumbojumbo somebuddy told yah ! aight /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Btw if u can\'t find ur PC muscle : Stop urine flow a couple of times while urinating - Vuola , you just did it using the infamous PC muscle , congratz ! Also moving ur penis up and down without the use of hands or some pelvis action is done by the pC muscle.....LOL , its just a little up and the down happens when u release the flex - don\'t get me wrong on this one

[marv14yag]

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[marv14yag]

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[Whitehall]

\"Would empathogens like 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine and 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine create the same oxytocin action? \"

These things work through dopamine release while oxytocin also causes dopamine release but, no, these chemicals do not directly, in so far as I know, release oxytocin. But it is an idea with possibility - wonder if any one has done the experiments?

[marv14yag]

This is the same principal as saying, \"Please contact your doctor before starting any exercise regimine.\" Sh*t...

Let\'s see....

I usually do them 5 days a week....200 flexes a day...I try and make sure it\'s long out...Ie, 2 seconds on, 2 off, or more..2-4 really. 200...And rest on the weekends.

I got it up to 6 inches around now. Which, for me, is VERYYYY good comparing that\'s the same as the width. Not too shabby.

Average sizze is like 5 1/4 or something like that ....And most men go TOO DEEP. Length doesn\'t matter. It\'s just something someone says they have that you don\'t....Something to brag about that\'s not there. It\'s all in the width.

Even if there is nothing to do with the hormonal response (which there IS) it stretches it out, this creates an amplified sexual response to the stimulus. If it\'s stretched out everything is going to be amplified.

Also, even without the hormones, being stretched out would give a sense of something more there. More of a point.

In fact, some women even have guys pee inside them because they need to feel something inside them. I suppose this would be somewhat of an evolutionary response.

Bart

[marv14yag]

Another way to prove Oxytocin levels increase would be the hardening of the women\'s nipples due to it.

Bart

[Gerund]

A cold breeze hitting a threadbare t-shirt produces Oxytocin?

[Blackwidow_Woman]

> SHUT YOUR D*** MOUTH! So, like I said, shut your trap next time.
LMFAO!!!!! You just really crack me up sometimes...hehehehehehehehehehehe!!!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Bart, you know what? I\'m real sick of your mouth and I\'m through defending you. If you do a google search, one of the first things you come up with is a link \"Oxytocin: the hormone of love.\" Another is \"Oxytocin: the touch hormone.\" Read www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc. (\"http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc.\") It doesn\'t happen because of \"vaginal stretching.\" It happens from the pleasure of touch and from orgasm. In both men and women.I\'d appreciate it if you wouldn\'t talk to me like that again. I don\'t like it and it makes me lose respect for you.

[TBiRD]

Dude u can\'t be serious about that ?!

\"I usually do them 5 days a week....200 flexes a day...I try and make sure it\'s long out...Ie, 2 seconds on, 2 off, or more..2-4 really. 200...And rest on the weekends. \"

Ask any bodybuilder or anybody with the smallest amount of knowlege on muscle growth. Training a muscle each day = Overtraining. Atleast u rest on the weekends.

\"I got it up to 6 inches around now. Which, for me, is VERYYYY good comparing that\'s the same as the width. Not too shabby. \"

Correct me if I\'m wrong , but are u trying to tell , that u increased the girth of your penis through PC muscle training ?
Thats absolutely bullshit , Pc training will not increase size/girth whatever....It will make alot of other good things ( last longer , better harder orgasms) But it will not increase the girth.

+ Are u trying to tell that ur penis is actually 6 inches wide ?
Muahahah that would be an elephants member , but not a human one ! Cut the crap.... Maybe u just mistyped....

Ok back to the PC muscle thingy :

Look what I found :

http://www.free-enlargement-info.com/pc_muscle.htm (\"http://www.free-enlargement-info.com/pc_muscle.htm\")

Kind of a guide how to work ur way up to be a kegel master...
But again lacks quality , as it suggests to train the muscle daily......

+ Read this too ... Interesting stuff :

http://www.free-enlargement-info.com/enlargement.htm (\"http://www.free-enlargement-info.com/enlargement.htm\")

I like the advantages and disadvantages thingy.....so true !

[druid]

I think some of mike mentzer\'s (a champion bodybuilder from the late 70\'s/early 80\'s and a pretty smart person -- not just some big meat head body builder) philosphy is probably in order. You need to figure out the proper amount of stress for a target muscle -- not more than enough or too little but the proper amount. According to him when working out (with weights -- but I think it can be generalized to other forms of stress) you stress a muscle to failure, then let it recurpatrate -- which can take several days -- and do it again. This will develope the muscle with the least amount of time involved and little or no wasted effort. So I would guess this -- Squeeze and hold your PC for as long as you can -- till you can\'t no more. Time it to track progress. Start off with say doing this once a day every day of the week. then if you are not making progress after say 1 week (ie your time is not incresing) then YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE DOING TOO MUCH, NOT TOO LITTLE. So go to once every two days. etc. until you find the optium amount.

I am no expert but this is just a guess.

[SonnyBlack]

its probably true that women prefer girth to length....i measure 6 inches in girth and 8 and a half inches in length and while girls always tell me the thickness feels great....some women, including my present girlfriend tell me its just too long and creates too much pressure inside her when I go all the way in...just my 2 cents

[Elana]

8.5\" in length???? Can you prove it? /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[SonnyBlack]

unless youre anywhere in Texas i dont see how...ill try and think of something though just for you....ill keep in touch thru pm\'s babe

[marv14yag]

First. I have no reason to lie. Good genetics and working the muscle produces results, it\'s a simple as that...

WRONG! The inventor if the pc flexes was Dr. Keggle. He states OTHERWISE MY FRIEND! Plus, if you see it getting wider, that is a BITTTTT of an INDICATION! You are JUSTL ike FTR, you argue becuase you want to be right. Well, you\'re NOT.

What did I tell her, huh? I said, I never post without making sure something is correct. At least in theory. If it is a fact, it is a fact. Plain and simple. There is little use in arguing with my information!

Bart

[marv14yag]

By the way, because they call them Kegell exercises or whatever does not mean that they have information from the good Dr. Himself.

It does increase girth. Simple as that. Also holding out longer, and increased blood flow.

Bart

[marv14yag]

The reason you will find that...Is because, they are trying to SELL SOMETHING! I get everything from a DICTIONARY, and ENCYCOLOPEDIA! Not some site on the internet with false infromation.

You don\'t know what you are talking about. Dictionary beats an \"internet site\" every time. lol

By the way, I don\'t need anyone to stick up for me. What the hell are the people on the board REALLY going to do, because I UPSET THEM...The only way you can upset someone with words is if they allow it.

I think cusswords should be regular words, noone would be affended. If all the drugs were legal, probably 9/10\'s of the people would stop using/ taking them.

It wouldn\'t be TABOO anymore.

So, just shut up, stop arguing with what I say, because I look it up PROPERLY, not a damned false informationized site.

Bart

[krtel]

Bullshit. PC exercises don\'t \"enlarge\" the penis in any way. I\'ve read too many manuals to believe that. PC exercises are good for stamina (spelling might not be right.) and a couple of other enhancements, but that is all. I bet you even said some [bad word] like that to get attention.

Why don\'t you do everyone a big favor and just shut the f*** up and leave FTR alone? She didn\'t deserve to be talked to the way you did and IMO you owe her an apology. Whether you do it or not will show your true level of maturity.

- Krish

[marv14yag]

I think you can hold your PC muscle almost infinitaly though. Like benching 5#...You can pretty much do it as many times as you want.

Only because I\'ve done that....You can pretty much hold it as long as you want.

Perhaps it\'s just that people are weaker down there due to less sex, etc? I don\'t know...I suppose more bloodflow on a continual basis would keep it strong.

Bart

[Elana]

<< If all the drugs were legal, probably 9/10\'s of the people would stop using/ taking them.>>

Bart- you need to see your Dr. to get on some ASAP.

[marv14yag]

Obviously, it seems as Sonny Black has the same measurements, however, like I said, it seems to be good, becausse I\'m only 6 length too.

I\'m not going to argue about something I already know the answer too, lol....That would be \"stupid\".

Also, perhaps it does not increase it DIRECTLY but rather, more bloodflow = more Nitric Oxide = more muscle growth.

I KNOWWWW it doesn\'t increase length. And, that would make sense, because you can\'t make it longer without stretching it out. However, you can increase muscle size. The PC is a MUSCLE! Muscle gets BIGGER! Point blank. I don\'t understand how that WOULDN\'T be right.

Nevetheless...

Bart

[marv14yag]

You\'d be VERY SUPRISED. One of the reaons kids start smoking is because they start early. Very RARELY DO YOU SEE kids START SMOKING when they are over 18. Why is it cool? Because, it\'s not allowed. And so, when you do do it, it makes you apart of another crowd, cool, daring, thrill of doing something you CAN\'T. It\'s very much like an exmploration of the unknown.

You think I am wrong. But, you\'d be AMAZED how many people wouldn\'t smoke if there was nothing COOL to them. The coolness comes from it being outlawed, not allowed, etc.

Not that people wouldn\'t still do it....However, think of the Indians.....Sure, they smoked crack, but they didn\'t go and od and get hammered, and drink alcohol until passing out, and etc.

Bart

[krtel]

\"I\'m not going to argue about something I already know the answer too, lol....That would be \"stupid\". \"

Interesting, you just did. I guess that makes you stupid then, doesen\'t it? /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

- Krish

[CptKipling]

Thanks for posting that Krish, I have been very close in the last few days, but I somehow managed to restrain myself. Marv, you are infuriating. You are obviously a very intelligent person, and someone whos knowledge and input is very welcome, but to bottom line it, you left your manners and etiquette behind on your last visit down [bad word] Creak.

You need a reality check. There is no possible way on God\'s Earth that you can be right about everying. Face up to that fact and start listening to others. Its people like you who give moody, agressive, surly teenagers like myself and Krish a bad name.

[Mtnjim]

\"Not that people wouldn\'t still do it....However, think of the Indians.....Sure, they smoked crack, but they didn\'t go and od and get hammered, and drink alcohol until passing out, and etc\"

HUH??

Are you talking about the Native Americans or from the Indian sub contenent, and when?

[Whitehall]

Maybe it\'s \"\'ROID RAGE\"

That would explain Bart\'s behavior, would it not?

[marv14yag]

You are becoming like a child. Telling you I am not going to argue isn\'t arguing.

Also, I do not really feel as though I need to be mature, immature. I just do whatever. It\'s more of a fact of \"integrity\" as...How dare you call me a lier, and the fact that...I\'m not going to waste time. Your lack of information has nothing to do with me.

In fact...No, I don\'t get girls like you\'d think (actually, I\'m SURE you think low of me, and that I don\'t). Hoewver, I feel confident, in that I will be able to satisy her sexual needs. You not believe me, has nothing to do with that. I do the exercise...I get the benefits simple as that....You do what you want to. However, do not involve me in it.

It\'s the typical....I can\'t jump as high as the black guy...So, I\'m going to try and argue about it and, say, that\'s because of this, that\'s just because of that....

Whether it\'s a good excuse or not, it is one nevetheless.

In fact, I like to rid myself of these excuses.

An example. Was, some dude just today, like 120# and taller than me....Was trying to jump a distance. Did not believe I could do it, being a white male, and close to 200#. I did, however, and beat him by 3 or 4 FEET!

Ditto with pushups done, running.....No excuses.

Same thing in the bed....No excuses...Genetics or not, I\'m GOING to amke up for it.

And, 200 isn\'t really overkill. Because you\'re only FLEXING IT. It doesn\'t feel like too hard to do. So, it can\'t be overtraining. I can tell....I use instincts most of the time, lifting and things. They have worked thus far.

Bart

[Elana]

<<That would explain Bart\'s behavior, would it not?>>

That makes sense, however it is really sad.

[marv14yag]

Listen, I said I was 6 around, Krish siad, I am not. Clearly I am. I said, I\'m not going to argue about something.

Actually, my religious believes vary GREATLY than yours. And, no, I am not always right, however, before I post something, I post the correct in the post. I don\'t post wrong. Easy as that...Don\'t post somethign incorrect.

Bart

[krtel]

Heres a quarter - call me and remind me to care.

- Krish

[marv14yag]

Well, I have been gaining muscle lately...And, more angry.

However, I think it\'s a good thing. I can now change things rather than sit back.

You don\'t EVEN want to hear what I think about the President. Oh, and the Flroida School System, and the school board, and our Principal...Oh, you don\'t even know.

I get the urge to CHANGE things...I see people being so STUPID...I can\'t believe how STUPID people are. Not that they don\'t/didn\'t make A\'s and things in school, but rather because they only know how to learn by rote, and regurgitate. That is NOT what should be considered \"intelligence\". My computer can do that.

Bart

[**DONOTDELETE**]

\'Roid rage is good, that\'s a good bet. Sometimes I\'m convinced that\'s what it is ... sometimes I\'d put all my money on \"dropped on his head as a baby.\" Hard to tell about these things.

[marv14yag]

And just look at how many posts have been put. I can put an impact on people\'s feelings, one way or another. People don\'t like to change. The only way to change somoene\'s belief, right or wrong, is through emotions. SIMPLE as that!

Oh, and your petty insults do not work on me....You say, roid rage, etc. However, in real life (outisde of teh Internet) not only am I stronger, bigger, faster than you, but I am more intelling, I can think quicker, and you are very inferoir to me. So, you and your d*mned quote is just plain retarded. You can take your statement and shove it up your ass!

Bart

[krtel]

LOL

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Go back to grade school and learn how to spell Bart then call us inferior.

[marv14yag]

Your thoughts differe from mine, you believe what you think is right because you have an emotional attachemtn to it. I will not convince you. This is great and all, however, I think people know the truth; they just put the sheet over their eyes.

Like I said though, it has nothing to do with you. What you believe won\'t effect me. Your ignorance is your own undoing.

lol

You know, I heard someone say something a while ago...And, I think it holds true.

\"Your laugh because I am different; I laugh because you all are all the same.\"

Very good....

Bart

[**DONOTDELETE**]

He\'s more intelling and he can think quicker.


You\'re probably just jealous.

[krtel]

LMAO. Exactly what I wanted to say!

- Krish

[marv14yag]

Trust me, with ALL OF WHAT I DON\'T GET! I CLEARLY deserve the make up I get that this person DOES NOT HAVE! I think it\'s more like....If you don\'t get one thing you\'re good at another....

I find it hard to be jealous of someone online.

Bart

[Wolfe]

\"At least in theory. If it is a fact, it is a fact. Plain and simple. There is little use in arguing with my information! \"

Sorry,,BUT theory is theory and facts are facts, the two or NOT one and the same nor are they interchangable.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

\"Trust me, with ALL OF WHAT I DON\'T GET! I CLEARLY deserve the make up I get that this person DOES NOT HAVE!\"

What the H*ll did you just say?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

He deserves all the makeup he can get, apparently. I didn\'t know he went that way, did you guys?

[Wolfe]

DING DONG
AVON calling

[Gerund]

Makes you wonder, doesn\'t it? Just might explain a lot of things~

At any rate, the device has yet to be invented that can measure my indifference to how intelling he is, or that he considers me inferoir.

[b]LMFAO!!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well back to the real topic Enlargement..

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TBiRD
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Working with \"stretching\" and \"milking\" techniques will not result in any kind of growth. It will just make your organ a little healthier , through increased blood circulation / blood flow...again resulting in quicker / harder / longer stiff-on\'s.

This is completely false information I\'ve been using the Milking techniques (jelqing) for 8 months already and i\'ve added 2 extra inches to my \"Unit\" it\'s not really that difficult one day i just said what the heck and payed for the http://www.morepenis.com (\"http://www.morepenis.com\") guide, But you have to be careful when jelqing it is possible to put to much strain on your Unit and cause damage to the blood vessels and you wont ever be able to get an erection again.

I think there is another member here thats used the Jelqing techniques before and has a really big \"Unit\" I think I read it in a past Enlargement thread.

[Gerund]

Alright!!!! Just WHO was supposed to watch Bart today?!

[Wolfe]

they stepped out to play in traffic

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well, I\'m not watching him anymore. First he talks mean to me and won\'t apologize, and then he wants to play in my makeup. Spoiled, that\'s what I call it. Ungrateful.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Yeah I really think it was out of character talking to a lady like that.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Yeah I really think it was out of character talking to a lady like that.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

2\'s better than one lol it happened to me now /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Gerund]

Yep, this is the tragic price society pays for trying to \"mainstream\" those who are clearly unsuitable.

[druid]

i think the jelqing helps. I got the program from morepenis.com and I have been doing it for about 3 months or so. I don\'t do the stretches and I don\'t jelging as much as they say. I have noticed a little improvement in length, a noticable improvement in girth and it is def. more vascular.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

here\'s the hax0red version of www.morepenis.com (\"http://www.morepenis.com\") that I found on the net ( http://bigdicksare.lookingat.us/welcome.htm (\"http://bigdicksare.lookingat.us/welcome.htm\") ) just for the guys who can\'t affored it or just want to preview before they join.

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Yeah I do both Jelqing and \"The Squeeze\" Technique for extra girth, they seem to really work if you put some effort in.

[upsidedown]

Bart, I don\'t know if you need professional psychiatric help, or if you\'re just a jerk, but I\'m totally sick of your attitude. I know...you could care less what I think.

But, you wrote in an earlier post \"In fact...No, I don\'t get girls like you\'d think.\" Bart, I\'m not surprised. If you\'re anything in person like you are on this board, then that\'s probably why you don\'t get girls. Who wants to be around somebody like you with your attitude?

Twenty years from now you\'re probably going to look back on the things you\'ve written and be totally embarassed about the way you\'ve acted. In the mean time, you need to work on doing some growing up right now.

[Watcher]

Those that arent mainstream are put to the edge of societies sexual obsession.

[Lucky]

Bart,
What\'s wrong? Are you aware of how stressed you sound?

[Blackwidow_Woman]

>However, think of the Indians.....Sure, they smoked crack, but they didn\'t go and od and get hammered, and drink alcohol until passing out, and etc\" )
excuse me!!!!!!!!!!!! Indians, hey watch that crap!!!! smoked crack i dont think so and as far as drinking, well hey we drank but it wasnt what you think, let alone i could drink you under the table, Dont you be acuseing us of crap pal!!!!!!! Thats straight from me a blackfoot indian!!!!!!!!!!!! And to top that all off us indians make better lovers than you could ever imagin!!!

[tallmacky]

i\'ve never met anyone who was full native american! Is anyone here actually full native american it seems like not only did \"americans\" leave crap rumors but they also outbreed many native americans.

[Wolfe]

you go girl /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[qrius]

\"Sorry, but I don\'t have time to make it short¨ - Ernest Hemingway

Ok, some dude on this forum has a quote on each of his posts which says something like an ounce of practice is worth a pound of theorizing, or something along those lines...

Everyone on this thread keep quoting doctors, body- builders and internet sites who is supposed to know what theyre talking about, some say that if you\'d like to enlarge your schlong, exercise, pills, herbs, vacuum pumps or whatever works, others, and actually most \"experts\" says only operations can enlarge your pole. Yet, on just this one discussion- thread there are several guys who says they can prove that one way or another works. Some of these guys may lie, but why would they? They have no commercial or financial reason to say these things if they\'re not true, so either they\'re all compulsive psycho liars who gets a kick out of convincing others that they too can get a bigger penis if they want, or maybe, just maybe some of them are telling the truth. If it is true, then they have just proved that 8 out of 10 so-called experts (97 per cent of all statistics are fake /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif) are wrong, and that there are ways to enlarge junior without cutting him first.

Theories and medical terms and all sorts of doctors mumbo jumbo sat aside for two seconds (just because they say the earth is flat, dont make it so...) I don\'t know bout other ways to enlarge your penis, but I know for a fact that vacuum pumps work. I have spoken to several independent guys who have had an increase both in length and girth, using pumps. I have seen pictures and the results myself. This is NOT relative, these are PHYSICAL and PERMANENT changes in penis size, not placebo, not an internet scam and not photo manipulation. Go to any fetish site on the net, and you can see people pumping they\'re scrotum, penis, nipples, and labia and even they\'re assholes to the size of...well, something pretty damn huge! Now, I don\'t know if there are muscles in the penis, or why it is possible to pump it up, but when it is possible to pump up your assh*le to the size of a king- size donut, it shouldnt really be a problem to do the same thing with your penis?

Everyone assumes that \"professionals\" knows what theyre talking about... may I remind you fellas that if you go on any other forum on the internet or talk to your local doctor, neighborhood expert, teacher, drug dealer, or your damn gardener, you\'ll have a pretty hard time convincing them what pheros are and that they actually work...\"perfume that makes you attract girls? Yeah right!\"... Now, you can continue discussing male anatomy and what the penis consists of, but it won\'t get you anywhere! If you want you can find a doctor or professor or whatever that is convinced that penis will grow if you smoke 40 cigarettes daily, so the only thing I trust are users. I asked around on some \"expert\"- forums about pheromones before I found love- scent, and not one of them believed in them, and none of them had any proof or shred of evidence that in fact it was a scam, and thank god I believed some dude that told me about love- scent.com!

I just spent 20 minutes writing this post to try and \"prove\" that pumps are for real, but most likely no one will believe me anyways. And why would you? I\'m probably just some compulsive psycho liar who gets a kick out of convincing others that they can get a bigger penis without spending thousands of dollars on surgery or accepting that \"size don\'t matter\". Size matters damnit! Maybe not to wives or friends or mothers, but to the person who feels he has a small penis. Tell him whatever you want, it won\'t do any good, he wants a bigger penis and will do almost anything in his power to get it. The least you can do is accept that.

And when it comes to using vacuum to enlarge your Clinton, don\'t think this is something fancy new bogus- invention, it has been in different cultures for several hundred years, maybe even longer. Instead of referring to retarded docs, take a search on the internet and find a some pump- users. I guarantee you that it works, but like I said earlier, it takes time and effort.

That\'s all folks, please don\'t harass me for this thread, I put a lot of effort in it, hope I didn\'t step on anyones toes.

[TBiRD]

Dude , its not Ice Age....
and not all doctors claim , that the earth is flat. Some of them actually study for years. [Be it anatomy , science , whatever]
After this study , they are experts indeed.

Another thing is : If those pumps really worked , there would be some REAL studys on them. (Not just crap everybody can find on the net)
It wouldn\'t be unusual or uncommon to go to the doctor , tell him you want a bigger penis , and get a prescription for a pump. However this is not common or usual. Go to the doctor/professor and ask him about pumps or any techniques. He will agree , that it increases blod flow , but he will laugh and tell u that it won\'t make anything grow. [+ There is high risk of permanent damage to the member]

Look , there are 3-4 Billion people who call a penis their own , on this planet.

If it worked , the word would spread kinda fast amongst everybody...not just internet bullshit scam sites.

A doctor will tell yah:

thirsty ? -drink
hungry ? -eat
overweight ? -sports + -diet
ill ? -medicine
arm ripped off ? -surgery
small dick ? -penis pump ? Muahahha never ever heard that anywhere outside the internet.

+ If u could do all the enlargement with a pump , why bother with the only DOCTOR approved method of enlarging [wich is risky surgery] . Doctors would prescribe pumps , wouldn\'t they ?????

And you are not quite right about this :

\"Now, I don\'t know if there are muscles in the penis, or why it is possible to pump it up, but when it is possible to pump up your assh*le to the size of a king- size donut, it shouldnt really be a problem to do the same thing with your penis? \"

Its not a problem to pump up your penis. But all u do is FRIKKIN PUMP = let lots of blood flow into the desired area.
= massive increase in size , girth whatever.
But as soon as u put the pump away , the blood will flow back and u will be back to normal size after 1 hour.

Unless u can prove to me the opposite with REAL WORLD STUDYS. I will not believe anything u said /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

No offense though , everybody is free to believe whatever he wants. But only because u believe in it , doesnt mean its true for everybody else , now is it ?
If it [penis enlargment with pumps] was true for everybody else , than this would be a scientific result.

[Wolfe]

exercise i might could believe as the penis IS a muscle and all muscles can be \'worked out\' to increace size ans hardness(though how one does that on the penis is a toughie), however there is evidence that pumps are very dangerous and can do massive damage..permanent type damage too...breaks down the blood cell chambers and they cant regenerate.

[Lucky]

The penis is formed of erectile tissue...
This erectile tissue is composed of venous spaces lined with epithelial cells separated by connective tissue and smooth muscle cells. Smooth muscle is throughout the body, and is involuntary and nonstriated (not banded). Smooth muscle causes peristalsis (wave-like contractions) that aids in food digestion and transport among other things.

I don\'t see how this tissue could respond to exercise...it\'s involuntary.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Poor guys they think they have a bicep in there croch, your penis is divided into three chambers which are made of a spongy tissue. This tissue absorbs blood as it rushes to the penis, creating an erection. You can go here (http://bigdicksare.lookingat.us/welcome.htm) and learn to enlarge you penis without pumps they also tell you which methods are dangerous and not recommended,... go there it\'s free and has all those popular streching and \"milking\" that work.

[Wolfe]

Jelqing(milking) is supposed to work but how the hell someone \'strokes\' it 200 times w/o getting a erection is damn sure beyound me /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Mtnjim]

\"hell someone \'strokes\' it 200 times w/o getting a erection is damn sure beyound me \"

You do it in front of a picture of your grandmother.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I do it while watching the food channel it actually works lol.

[Wolfe]

sure glad i don\'t have the problem to start with.

[Elana]

<<I do it while watching the food channel it actually works lol.>>

I bet when they start kneading the bread dough, you almost lose it. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[Wolfe]

LOL

[qrius]

now this is exactly what i\'m talking about. there are more than one person on this thread that says and believes that this jelqing works. and why don\'t every doctor in the world tell people with small penises to jelq off (hehe)? because they\'re not aware of it! like i said, go to your doctor and ask him about something you read on the internet, about socalled \"pheromones\" that you can apply and instantly people will like you... the nice doctor will probably call some nice men with white coats on you, and they will probably give you a niiiiiiiice shirt where your arms are attached to your back :P

and you can actually get pumps on prescription, but with the purpose of use if you have a hard time gettin it hard.... THERE CAN BE NO SERIOUS DAMAGE WITH THE USE OF PUMPS! you might get some red spots on your skin if you overpump, but thats about as dangerous as it gets, and they will be gone by tomorrow.

i know that some doctors now believe the earth is round, but i just used it as an example since it\'s not too long ago since we thought it was flat, and you would actually get executed saying otherwise. docs today are of course alot better at their jobs, but this don\'t mean they\'re right if they don\'t believe in penile enlargement methods or pheromones. How many doctors have an actual reason to turn it down other that they\'ve never heard of it and might be sceptical... another thing is that there are alot of things that doctors turn down just because they\'re sceptical or because there hasn\'t been that much research on the topic. that too don\'t make it true.

another thing is that scientists disagree with each others every single day! today it\'s healthy to drink one glass of wine a day, yesterday that could kill you. so, like i said, i don\'t believe in \"experts\" who infact are just plain old quacks trying to impress. of course many of them are right, but there are enough rip- offs out there that are so are really wrong, infact some are so wrong it\'s not even right /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif !these guys often have a reason for telling to this or that, whether they wanna make money by recommending something else or they\'re afraid you\'ll sue him if he\'ll promise something false... since there are so many from the US on this forum, you should know what i mean! no offence but americans (not all americans, but the justice system will allow it) can sue their own mother before breakfeast, because the coffee was too hot!

of course there are real studies of these on the net, but its not easy to find because of all of the bullshit reports and \"studies\" on the net. you wouldn\'t know what was true since there are always some expert saying otherwise, and i\'m gonna tell you a little secret: not all of them knows what the hell they\'re talking about.

and THATS the reason why i relate to user stories. if John Doe and Jack [bad word] have tried out pumps with great results, then i trust them way more than some fancy dude with a title longer than a good year saying \"nothing exept suregery will enlarge you Johnson\"!

And yup, your penis shrinks when you stop the pumping, but it will be larger than usual for more than 1 hour, more like 1 day or so... i\'ve freakin tried pumping myself and i noticed results even though it was one of those sucky pumps for erection, and not for enlargement.

none taken, and i respect your believes(even though your wrong, heheh ;D), but don\'t set all your believes to science reports. there are for plenty of unknown or hidden reports, for instance one made by WHO (a little of topic, i know) which clearly shows that cannabis is more or less harmless physically, and like many other reports these where hidden, destroyed, shushed down and so on, because several countries made cannabis illegal at a time where they thought it was very dangerous. no one want\'s to be proven wrong, ateleast not when it can change the entire morals, laws and attitudes towards something we today refer to as addictive, poisonous and so on, so the reports where kept quiet. these things happen every day, but the truth is out there! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[TBiRD]

Hehe ! To sum up what u and I said :

LEGALIZE DA GANJA ! Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Hmm , maybe because of all the internet bullshit there actually will be more docotrs researching on enlarging .

If Jelq-technique really worked , think of all the new job opportunities for women /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Eventhough my size is good enough to get any job done , I would go to a modern openminded doctor , get a prescribtion , and then I would have nice women [hired in Poland] jelq me off on a daily basis.

Oh was I dreaming ?????


Oh and btw , I dont believe in wonnabe-experts/internet studys whatever. I said I believe in doctors who become experts after years of study.

And I will believe anybody , who shows me his member before and after 6 Month of jelq/pumping whatever....

I would require visual proof because , I don\'t trust statistics I haven\'t faked myself , same things goes for before/after photos !

[druid]

\"...not only did \"americans\" leave crap rumors but they also outbreed many native americans.\"

WTF??

I find your comments offense. My ancestors came from ireland (came here in the early 1900\'s) --except my paternal grandmother who was 1/2 native american.

First if anybody \"outbreed\" the american indians (if you mean mixed with) it was the spainards. The coca plant (which crack is dervied from) grows in south america. Native americans introduced europeans to marijuanna and tobacco.

[TBiRD]

Druid ???




\"...not only did \"americans\" leave crap rumors but they also outbreed many native americans.\"

I never said something like that , why do u reply to me dude /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif Keep CooL man !

[franki]

[-ehal greka tscherez reku,widit greka w reke rak sunul greka w reku ruku, rak za ruku greka zap!]=-

What does that mean? Is that russian?

Franki

[druid]

i forgot who posted, someone posted it on this thread like 2 pages ago. it is just that you were the last reply so I clicked reply from your messages. sorry for any confusion.

[TBiRD]

yes /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif äh ja! oh da!

Its a little \"Zungenbrecher\" [tongue-breaker????] .
Russian words , spelled with german letters.
It\'s something any russian would instantly recognize...

I hope that maybe someday another russian ,like me, finds his way to this forum and will see/read/ contact me ,)

[marv14yag]

(Deep breath...) Man, all these people are kind of dumb. I mean, man, everything I post. If I post something mispelled, my credibility goes to hell all becasue of that.

Every time I say something correct, someone trys to prove me wrong. Like, the thing I said about the Indians. It is TRUE, but yet, someone who\'s INDIAN, has to act like they got to stick up for stuff.

Man, there\'s just so much wrong with people. I have too much of a burden trying to tell others my ideas, while keeping them from being shot down.

If something is a fact, or a law, that doesn\'t mean it will be believed, lol...

It\'s like, you can\'t sit around, and do nothing, you got to do stuff..I always got to be pissed about everything, because, well, the world\'s not a very \"good\" place becuase of those IDIOTS in the world, like some of the people in the board.

I may treaet people like sh*t, but they need to grow up. Trying to \"stick up\" for their race, group, ettc.....Even if something is true....Or, that is a bad word. Or, you typed something wrong, ha ha.

It\'s old, it\'s sad.

I did think, why do I even post. Than, I figued, hell, if I didn\'t post, or, didn\'t do ANYTHING, that would be WORSE than aruging with someone, because than I\'d have no say in anything. I mean, my purpsoe in this life = 0. So, not trying to change anything for the better would probably leave me useless and depressed.

Bart

[Wolfe]

to bad..get over it.

[marv14yag]

Thankyou, Druid, like I said, I DON\'T POST things that are INCORRECT!

Oh, and I don\'t have time to find the post, but, I\'m not always stressed out.

Most of the time, I\'m either quet, or REALLY confident, sexually that is. Either way..I\'m not usually stressed out, it\'s just, it builds up, and I\'m just tired, too much put on me, feel caged up, and sick of people in general.

Bart

[Blackwidow_Woman]

Whoa man this is alittle touchy to me the things about indians,, ( Like, the thing I said about the Indians. It is TRUE, but yet, someone who\'s INDIAN, has to act like they got to stick up for stuff. ) Every indian tribe is diffrent and not only that but you really need to recheck there back ground and also you should get to know one real well might change your mind as we are not bad people...now stick up for stuff, why not im not like you think i am....do you think im over here snorting crack or drinking my brains out or scalping someone or running around on horse back looking for fights or anything to that matter so please get your facts straight it really iretates me...but if you think we are that bad then come over here and il give ya a nice smile ,, hehehehe!! il just slit your throat from ear to ear and it will look like one big smile... HA HA!!! J/K!!! lol!!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Blackwidow_Woman]

>(Trying to \"stick up\" for their race, group, ettc) oh so thats how you see us as that well hey i got news for you we are all people no matter what and im human well maybe part animal but we are all living breathing human beings!!!!!!!!!!! Me mad nah,, im just gona ride up to you in the middle of the night on my black appy and do something very evil... hehehehehehe!!!!!!! You gota remember you wont here me commin.. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Wolfe]

BWW...don\'t even try to defend our race to this idiot.

[marv14yag]

Now. Look who is on the defensive. Black Widow Woman, Wolfe, please, go back, and re-read my post. I was NOT offending the Indians, in fact, I was giving them CREDIT! And than, out of NOWEHERE! I have you saying, don\'t talk about my group about that, etc.

I said that the world would be a better place without government. Indians lived without government, laws, ownership. Marijuana and alcohol, cocaine, was all legal. However, they probably used LESS than here in the U.S. today where everything is ILLEGAL!

You see, this is giving them CREDIT.

I said, sure, the Indians had crack, and alcohol, but they didn\'t get hammered, or get drunk until they passed out.

The KEY F**CKING WORD IS D I D N \' T!!!

That shows a lot.

This is why I responded with, why do you have to try and stick up? For your race?

I know the answer, you feel special being apart of something. When people TRY to be different, it\'s because they want to feel special.

Listen, just, re-read my post. You had me judged before I even read it! You saw the word Indian, and you AUTOMATICALLY were going to strike back!

Oh, and you, and Wolfe, DON\'T SEEM to be living the life of the Indians, with a computer and everything else. You seem to adhere to goverenment; you must obey laws, etc. I am referring to early times really, tribes without goverenment. I mean, they had chiefs, etc, but basically there were never any laws etc.

I think that after people have advanced and still aren\'t happy they will probably realize that none of that matters and go back to the way of the Indians, etc.

Perhaps, that, or a nuclear war will destroy the technology, and people will be right back to where they started, cave men, Indians after that, etc.

Circle of life thing.

Oh, by the way, what is the Indians that NEVER speak of anything in the future? I remember hearing of them in a history class. They don\'t know what \"future\" tense means.

They believe there is no future because everything is in a circular cycle.

So, stop b*tching at me. Next time I WILL complain about the Indians...I\'m SORRYYY for saying something GOOD about the Indians! Maybe if I complement you again you will metaphorically punch me in the face or something!

Bart

[Whitehall]

Bart,

In order to have a pleasant exchange of views on this forum, we all have to be considerate of the feelings of others and have to show a certain restraint in our choice of subjects and words. You\'ve got a few things to learn about just how to broach controversial subjects (maybe ANY subject) without irritating or angering others.

If you did put your mind to communications without getting sideways with people, I\'m sure that we would all welcome your opinions.

I\'m sure that you would like to be a more respected member of the forum. We would appreciate your efforts more and think more highly of your character and maturity.

If, instead, you enjoy pissing people off for no good reason, then please go somewhere else. May I suggest here:

http://forum.theatlantic.com/WebX?.2cb4d797 (\"http://forum.theatlantic.com/WebX?.2cb4d797\")

Share some of your opinions with those \"ladies,\" kid.

We would all like to share with you - communications runs both ways - but can only meet you half way, under conditions of civil discourse.

[Mtnjim]

\"I said, sure, the Indians had crack, ...\"

Since everything you post is fact, you might want to fact check this, crack may have been around YOUR whole life, but is only about 20 years old. Too young to have been around for Custer\'s Last Stand

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[marv14yag]

I am sorry, \"cocaine\" From what I read, they got if from the tree bark. They would break a piece of, put it ontop the tounge and would be able to stay awake 2-3 days for a long hunt, etc.

See, that\'s what I\'m TALKING ABOUT! Using things they way they are MEANT to be used, only for medicinal. Indians didn\'t have GOVERNEMENT FORCING them to use it that way...They just did. What is wrong with being normal? Something is only not NORMAL when someone puts limits on something.

They also had asprin via white willow bark.

Bart

[Whitehall]

That\'s a bit better.

However, cocaine comes from the leaves, not the bark.

Ibogaine and yohimbe come from bark but that\'s in Africa so they are not Indians. These things allow a hunter to hunt for 2 or 3 days.

[Blackwidow_Woman]

First place i wasnt getting down on you!! like you couldnt see the smiley faces and they way i was talking..see you miss judge people not me and how i made little jokes..
As for this >( i know the answer, you feel special being apart of something. When people TRY to be different, it\'s because they want to feel special.)
i am not special!!!!!!!!!!! nor am i trying to be..... and if i could go back to living the way my ( oh watch out,, people did i would i a heartbeat!!!! ) Atleast back then we didnt have to worry about us dieing from bombs and germ warfare or the neighbor who thinks its cool that another kid gets killed by a drive by shooting, wheres all the wild life, the trees and fresh clean air.. gone because we humans have distroyed it and taken to much from this givin earth that was ment for us to take but in moderation and not to be greedy.. When was the last time you stood in the middle of the woods on a cold winters day and looked into the eyes of a owl that was in the tree infront of you and got a feeling of well being and to feel that all was right in this sad crazy world??????? getting down on you,, NOOOOOO just putting in my 2 cents worth... /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif