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01-09-2003, 09:56 AM
Hi,I was interested in taking some smart drugs,Wellbutrin being one of them.I was wondering if there are any side effects in taking them if you were in your 20\'s?

01-09-2003, 09:58 AM
Wellbutrin\'s not a smart drug, that I know of. It\'s a prescription antidepressant also used to curb cravings, specifically for smoking cessation.

01-09-2003, 10:36 AM
Whoops,I should have known better.Thanks Red.I am still interested in the Smart Drugs though.I guess Wellbutrin would help with stress since it\'s an anti-depressant,right?

01-09-2003, 10:46 AM
Lots of stuff will help with stress.

Probably better not to go to prescription drugs unless nothing else works.

Do you want smart drugs for stress relief purposes?

01-09-2003, 10:52 AM
SEX SEX and MORE SEX..best stress reliever out there..............

01-09-2003, 11:16 AM
Aside from the aformentioned Sex, which is a great stress reducer. I feel that for a single person, nothing helps deal with stress better than a good cardiovascular workout routine. At least 1 hour a day 3 to 4 days a week. The \'high\' you get from the adrenaline will usually over-power any stress and depression you might have.

01-09-2003, 11:59 AM
I agree with Ty, but an hour of intense cardio is tough to achieve or at least get yourself motivated to do 3-4 times a week. Try getting 25-45 minutes if at all possible, that works for me.

01-09-2003, 11:59 AM
Hi Red,I mainly wanted to try Smart Drugs to remember things better and to stay sharp(or focus),but if it also helps with stress relief then that even better.

Yes,I think sex is a great stress reliever,but I do agree with Tyberius about the 1 hour cardiovascular workout 3-4 days a week.I just have to set the time for it.Thanks Wolfe and Ty.

01-09-2003, 12:01 PM
You\'re right about that bivonic.I get tired out and sore easily sometimes.Especially since I push carts at my job 5 days a week for 8 hours(one of the worse things to do for a living.)

01-09-2003, 12:19 PM
well, you guys go pump weights i\'ll go pump.er.n/m

01-09-2003, 12:22 PM

01-09-2003, 12:23 PM
I think this helps you focus better & remember things, ginko biloba or this product which I think is the same:

http://www.ginkoba.com/ (\"http://www.ginkoba.com/\")

01-09-2003, 12:25 PM
ck into EO\'s as well.many will help you in many ways, think i saw one that helps improve memory.
you might find a EO that helps you and gives you a nice cover scent as well..cant beat that ya know /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

01-09-2003, 12:32 PM
I\'m in my 20\'s and I have been taking smart drugs for months now. I take DMAE, vinpocetine and huperzine-a and also I sometimes take piracetam or hydergine and a few others.

Get the book Smart Drugs and Nutrients by Ward Dean and John Morgenthaler. It tell a more complete story behind these drugs giving you the risk and benefits of these drugs.

01-10-2003, 08:35 AM
Walter:Thanks for the tip Walter,I\'ll be sure to check out the book.

bivonic:ginkoba,I forgot about this product,I\'ll have to try it out.Thanks.

Wolfe:Not to sound dumb,but what\'s EO\'s?

01-10-2003, 09:14 AM
Essential Oils was my guess.

01-10-2003, 09:22 AM
Correct..many here think of the EO\'s as covers, and they make really good ones at that, however they have theraputic values for many many diff problems /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

01-11-2003, 04:17 AM
don\'t just take Wellbutrin. That could mess with you if not prescribed.

Amino acids, (e.g., l-tyrosine), OPC\'s, maca, ginseng, and caffeine containing herbs, etc. are better for experimenting.

01-11-2003, 11:57 AM
I have taken smart drugs regularly for years including Piracetam, Hydergine, Lucidril and Vinpocetine. I highly recommend the \"Smart Drugs\" books Walter mentioned. Start with the original book. There is a part 2 and I hear a part 3 is on the way too. If you page back thru this forum, you will find a thread with the subject \"Lucidril\", which is now back on sale at Quality Health, by the way. That has some more info on smart drugs. I believe there is a USNET group dedicated to smart drugs.


01-29-2003, 08:06 PM
Anyone tried Focus Factor - heard many ads. on the radio for this and curious if anyone has used this. And if so what were the results and what is in it exactly? Right now I sometimes use a supplement that combines Gingko Biloba and Vinpocetine (sp?) which definitely enhances memory big time. but supposedly this focus factor helps with exactly that, \"focus\" , something which I\'m always working on improving

01-29-2003, 08:11 PM
www.focusfactor.com (\"http://www.focusfactor.com\")

Looks interesting. The ingredients are listed and explained.

01-29-2003, 08:18 PM
Just followed the link FTR thanks again.

Beta Cartone - tried in the past as good results as gingko bilboa.

The difference between these so called synthetic versions and natural versions is nonsense.

Its got omegas and DHA which is good. Sounds like a lot of other similar products out there.
Cant say much else except it should work ok.

01-29-2003, 08:21 PM
Thanks for the link FTR. Will check it out but do hope I can also get some feedback from someone who\'s tried it to get a firsthand account of its effectiveness or lack thereof.

01-29-2003, 08:28 PM
Well i have actually tried similar products in the past and they seem to work ok. As far as this one well i dunno but if it contains what it says it contains it should at least make u more alert which a small amount of gingko can do.

01-30-2003, 09:34 AM
Looks like a good mix of stuff. I\'m partial to vinpocetine - love that stuff but it is best used in Intellectol from Spain. Use it sublingually for faster, more powerful results.

The one thing in Focus Factor that I don\'t like is DMAE - it spins me up too much albeit some people love it.

Just don\'t think that Focus Factor will replace hydergine!

01-30-2003, 01:46 PM
If you\'re talking ADD focus the best is Masquelier\'s OPC\'s and tyrosine. I\'ve tried it all, and have seen a prominent ADD authority come independently to the same conclusion.

Plus b-vits and EPA/DHA to enhance

01-30-2003, 01:49 PM
Wellbutrin is often used for ADD, due to it\'s influence on dopamine, which plays a role. Amphetamines are still the preferred prescription treatment (and other stimulants)

01-30-2003, 08:42 PM
Wolf>SEX SEX and MORE SEX..best stress reliever out there...... /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif oh yeah hehehehe!!! No really any antidepresents can kill ya, most make things worse than they really are.. i sure wouldnt take them... alot of people really fall into a real bad hole when on antidepresents.. way to many people i know have gottin hurt or tried to kill them selfs on these drugs...

01-30-2003, 08:44 PM
Another lot of people can barely get out of bed without them. Or self medicate with alcohol and really get themselves into trouble.

02-02-2003, 04:20 PM
Interesting - never heard of hydergine, but if you figure it\'s better than Focus Factor I will research it and perhaps try it if it sounds okay. Thanks!

02-09-2003, 11:29 AM
Blackwidow Woman you are definately my kinda woman /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif.
There is a new class of anti-depressants on the horizon that I am quite excited about. Neurokinnin-1 inhbitors (as related to substance P(search NK-1 inhibitor, or look at biopsychiatry.com). Essentially this inhibitor causes an increase in synapse transmission in the forebrain of serotonin, and from some friends at a university(who wish to remain nameless) GABA activity as well.
Your right SSRI\'s on the long term can lead to a syndrome called Long QT syndrome, or sudden cardiac arrest. Not to mention the nasty side effects from their anti-muscarinic actions.
Wellbutrin is a different case, its an dual NRI/DRI(noradrenaline/dopamine reuptake inhibitor). I take it for ADHD although I am thinking of dropping it and switching to a selective NARI(noradrenaline only). Some cases you have to use these drugs, and you can\'t get around it.
One added benefit is the libido boost you get from wellbutrin. Norepineprhine is a flag staff raising neurotransmitter.

For nootropics piracetam as bruce mentioned is supposed to be really good. The industry standard is neuromet(oxiracetam), and all nootropics are rated against it.

02-09-2003, 11:38 AM
Tell me something good for extreme anxiety.

02-09-2003, 11:55 AM
Well FTR, there are a few concepts in the natural arena that are wonderful for anxiety. First and foremost is kava kava it really is a wonderful sedative/muscle relaxant. If you do take this take a good milk thistle extract(old bodybuilder trade secret for avoiding problems of the liver)

Valerian small doses(antagonism of GABA)
Myoinositol(also called inositol) is a non-insulin producing sugar that has a calming effect, and is a wonderful muscle relaxant, especially after a workout.
GABA powder(Beyond a century\'s web page has dirt cheap GABA). Careful with this tho, 100-200 mg to relax, 500-750 for sleep (1-2 grams is used for GH release, although I have really never seen a proveable study).
B-vitamin complex
exercise - Aside from adrenaline increase, and usage. Also causes release of beta-endorphins(body opiate).
Check out hemi-sync.com for binaural beat cd\'s(I use transcendance as meditative tool, and for test related anixety).
magnesium citrate(powder form called natural calm)
Calcium(must be used with magnesium(too much calcium can be toxic and Mg helps activate calcium so it does not build up).

Sometimes a good massage will calm an anxiety attack down, I\'m available /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif. Seriously tho, massaging the skin can cause a rise in endorphins as well.

Before taking anything check with your doctor to make sure its safe of course.


02-09-2003, 11:57 AM
What will work fast right now?

02-09-2003, 12:02 PM
sit back in your chair, or lay down. Breathe in through your nose hold count to 3, breathe out through your mouth hold count to 3 ...repeat.....use your mind, visualize things that make you happy(warm kisses from your guy, sitting in the sun at the beach). Once you feel yourself calming down, do some push ups, situps, and lunges. The exercise will stimulate endorphins which can calm you down. First and foremost, if it progress, and gets worse contact your doctor.

02-09-2003, 12:18 PM
If your anxiety is that extreme maybe you should go to a psychiatrist and get that checked he/she will probably prescribe you an anti-depressant like zoloft, paxil, effexor which also work on anxiety but they can take a while to kick in (3-4 weeks) and in the mean time you can take an anti anxiety agent like xanax and valium for sudden attacks. I tried valerian root but it puts me to sleep and kava kava had no effect at all.

02-09-2003, 01:40 PM
If it were me I would not let a psychiatrist hand out anti-depressants like candy which is the way many treat patients. It was wrong with antibiotics, its wrong with SSRI\'s. Yes it should be checked out by a doctor if its an irrational fear, phsychotherapy first not psychiatry. Deliniate cause, and go from there. Xanax is great as temporary relief, but SSRI\'s unless there is a serotnin imbalance are the wrong choice.

Valerian works, cut the dose. What it does is inhibit the break down of GABA(neurotransmitter main action as a CNS depressant on GABA-A receptors). When you reduce the amount of valerian you get more of a relaxed, sedated feeling.

If you get a good powdered extract of kava, with high lactone content it does exert sedative like effects. Remember that not everything works for everyone, a.k.a. Your Motor May Vary(YMMV).

J Pharm Pharmacol 1999 May;51(5):505-12 Related Articles, Links

The scientific basis for the reputed activity of Valerian.

Houghton PJ.

Department of Pharmacy, King\'s College London.

02-09-2003, 04:08 PM
I know a 30 sec. cure for stress, but maybe that\'s just how long it takes me...ahem.

02-09-2003, 05:52 PM
A major cause of anxiety and stress is CAFFEINE. It will make you about 30% more stressed. Try adaptogens instead. I gave up caffeine about a year ago and now I never get stressed about anything. Excercise is great for energy and stress tolerance. Find a way to get your energy up without the caffeine. Some of the side effects of it are dehydration, loss of sleep, anxiety, etc. It is very hard do give up caffeine because it is so addictive and the withdrawal is bad.

02-09-2003, 06:12 PM
....... /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif ....... someone had some fun with my computer .... msg edited

02-09-2003, 07:02 PM
Try this. My version of an old fashion cocktail:
drugs, sex and rock and roll...I\'m not kidding.

02-09-2003, 08:40 PM
>Blackwidow Woman you are definately my kinda woman;)
well i should hope so hehehe!!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif zoloft can work wonders for some people and then for others it does no good at all..
Xanax and valium, are good for suden attacks, thats right they are if not abused they work really well I have Xanax for certian reasons and i only take it when needed,, that way my system dont get use to it and i get drug immune.... There is lots of other things to do when depressed and you dont have to take drugs or drink your self stupid..

02-10-2003, 09:24 AM
Xanax would have been perfect for the situation. I\'m a little afraid of it, though. I had a friend who popped Xanax like there was no tomorrow. It\'s addictive and the withdrawal is not pretty. I rooted through the cabinets and found some 5-HTP, had two left, took them both - these also contained valerian. It helped. I may ask my doctor for some Xanax.
Thanks everybody.
P.S. The doc\'s cure was helpful, too - I put that into practice right away. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

And I like Lucky\'s solution - but in this case it was drugs, sex and rock and roll related issues that brought on the puking panic attack.

02-10-2003, 10:02 AM
Panic attacks are not fun to live with, i know!!! Xanax works great if you only use it when you feel a attack commin on .. and im not hooked on it at all.. i only use it max 2 to 3 times a month.. I feel sorry for my mother shes been on it for 18 yrs and takes it several times a day.. i told her to get off it and tried to help her go thru the withdrawl but she just couldnt do it..the doctor perscribes her way to many pills and thats why she cant even think right and remember anything.. /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

02-10-2003, 10:06 AM
That\'s EXACTLY how my friend was. \"I\'m STRESSED!\" and she\'d pop a Xanax - and you could see it working in about 15 minutes and she would calm down - but if she let the prescription fun out, she\'d have trouble walking, her equilibrium would be off, her mood would be grotesque ... and while she was taking them all the time like candy, she was a space case and could never remember anything that happened.

03-02-2003, 06:47 AM
BUMP!.... how\'s your anxiety FTR? did it get better?

03-02-2003, 07:38 AM
I\'m fine now thanks to everyone here who were so kind as to indulge my 19th nervous breakdown before going out last night. But I am going to see my doctor Wed to get some Xanax or something for those temporary near panic attacks. I can\'t work like that and it\'s a little scary. 5-HTP with valerian works really well but 5-HTP inhibits orgasm; being that working through sexual stuff is what\'s making me panic, 5-HTP would be kinda working against myself, so I\'m gonna get script.

03-02-2003, 06:34 PM
<< thanks to everyone here who were so kind as to indulge my 19th nervous breakdown before going out last night.>>

No worries. That\'s what we all are \'ere for. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif