View Full Version : masturbation and health...

01-02-2003, 11:15 PM
Well, this is very personal and I feel since i am pretty anonymous i can talk about this.

I have masturbated since i was 15, everyday at least, up to 3 times a day. the longest i had gone without doing this was like ,2-3 days. That \'addiction\' continued to dec. 30th (i am 18 now) when i made a new years resolution to quit until college resumed on jan. 6th.

I want to do an experiment to see if masturbation has made me shy and withdrawn. I think this could be a possibility and its been 3 days... one side effect i am noticing is depression, and slight anxiety, more than usual. I usually do get those though.

I also am wondering if masturbation has stunted my physical growth... i am 18 and look 16, physically too (hair growth), maybe younger.

But, I have smoked pot occasionally during ages 15-now, so maybe that has something to do with it. I doubt that, though.

I also wonder if masturbation lowers or raises testosterone?

Thanks in advance for informative replys.

01-02-2003, 11:31 PM
I don\'t quite understand why you would stop masturbating? It is normal for a teenage guy.

01-02-2003, 11:36 PM
For a teenaged girl, too.

There was a thread on this awhile back, anyone remember? I believe Bruce and maybe Whitehall jumped on and said it probably wasn\'t good to do it several times a day, but no harm in it fairly frequently. Having to do with testosterone.

But y\'know what? All that stuff about it stunting your growth and driving you blind, etc., is just old wives tales. It\'s your body. Enjoy it.

01-02-2003, 11:42 PM
I wouldn\'t try to stop totally, but would experiment with slowing down the pace. There is research evidence showing that sexual stimulation in the form of porn videos raises testosterone levels, but I have a feeling that spike reverses itself after ejaculation leaving T levels below baseline for a while. I may catch some flak for saying this, but if I were you, I would start working out or get involved in some other physical activity. I think you\'d be a lot healthier and happier over the long haul.

01-02-2003, 11:44 PM
Why is it bad to have lower test levels Bruce? As a teenage guy you have PLENTY of it I would imagine.

01-02-2003, 11:48 PM
If you start to get anxious and depressed after three days, then it sounds like three days is a good frequency for you -- there\'s no reason that I can see to walk around anxious and depressed, if spanking the monkey will cure it. You\'re better off masturbating than being anxious and depressed. I get cranky and can\'t focus after about three days, myself. One thing I have found is that it\'s actually more fun if you wait a little.

01-02-2003, 11:52 PM
To me 3 days sounds like an awful long time. I can\'t stand even two days without it now, leave alone when I was younger. /ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif

Only health effects I am noticing is that I have less energy and power when I am doing it too often.

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

01-03-2003, 12:05 AM
\"I also am wondering if masturbation has stunted my physical growth... i am 18 and look 16, physically too (hair growth), maybe younger.\"

I masturbate since I was 11 and I have grown quite tall. I was also the first guy (in class) that had facial hair and got a manly voice. You see, I think that is absolute BS.

Franki .:)

01-03-2003, 01:26 AM
It\'s surely a VERY good thing that we\'ve gotten to a time where one can discuss masturbation without starting to talk about God and hairy palms and going blind. But IMO we\'re going a little bit TOO far sometimes... Today wherever you go everybody tells you that there\'s absolute nothing wrong with masturbation (agree) and that you can do it just as many times as you want (disagree. When you do it three times a day there is overstimulation! Try to do it less often, and you\'ll see that you\'ll get way more pleasure out of it, will forget about the guilt, and it will probably be better for your body)

A man who masturbates will feel tired after doing so (most/(all?) men feel sleepy or a bit tired after having sex and some just fall asleep rather quick annoying the bird they\'ve just shagged big-time). At least in my case, it\'s an undenyable fact that masturbation gives tiredness. And of course the more you do it, the more you\'ll feel the lose of enery (or testosterone as one might say). I\'m a lot less ambitious when masturbating to often (I\'ve had time like that). I just want to forget about it and focus on my work later. That\'s the feeling masturbation gives me. Masturbation is fine while doing it, but after having done so, it makes you feel rather empty (it\'s still a big relief sometimes and diminishes stress though) but compared to making love... Testosterone and aiming for success are bounded pretty tightly! Esp. in males who have lots of testosterone, that\'s the case. So dropping the levels too often isn\'t all that good I think.

They say that men produce an unlimited amount of sperm. I however don\'t blelieve this to be true: after not habving ejaculated for a long time, where does your sperm go? You can hold some but your storage capacity is limited! Having wet dreams are not enough to relieve you from this, as they wouldn\'t occur often enough. (to be honest, I\'ve never even had them). The amount one produces in one day after ejaculation isn\'t the same amount you\'ll produce five days later while not having ejaculated during these days. So it would have to be that the production level drops quite a lot. I was thinking that maybe some sperm cells might get broken down and recycled?????? (would still be odd IMO as gametes (male and female reproduction cells which are haploid) are formed by meiosis from certain diploid cells (haploid: containing half of the genome/ diploid: containing the entire genome / All cells except gametes are diploid in humans) Setting the production level lower surely and probably will be a relief on your gamete-producing organes and glands (it\'s quite complex. Sperm consist of several constituents, each one coming from a different gland. The seeds origin from the testes of course). If you masturbate three times a day, I\'m sure those organs (testes & prostate) & glands have to work pretty hard and you may be overexhausting them.

Unlimited production, eh? I like to compare it to giving blood: blood production is ALSO said to be inexhaustable. Still, every person giving blood will have to several months after the blood is entirely restored to give blood once again. Mostly it\'s allowed only once a year. What\'s up with that? Isn\'t the production inexhaustable then? Safety measures? I dunno, but inexhaustable probably doesn\'t mean to just give away all you can all the time.

WHY do you masturbate that much? I really hope your not in a relationship while doing so so often? Nothing wrong with masturbation when having a relationship when you have a good explanation (just feeling like it is good enough IMO but not if you\'re missing something in your relationship. Then it\'s your relationship that needs stimulation, not you dick as if you just went to a DIY store).

01-03-2003, 01:31 AM
Forgot to mention this, but of course masturbation is very good in getting you to know your own body and what you like.

But it\'s a bit like anything in life. Do it, just not TOO much!

After all, it\'s LIVING that is UNHEALTHY! (Plato) (but that don\'t mean you should make it worse yourself)

01-03-2003, 01:43 AM
Do you believe someone can get addicted to masturbating?

01-03-2003, 02:04 AM
Yes, certainly! Some people become addicted to sex and I think becoming addicted to masturbating is a lot easier in a sense (probably the fist step that was taken when one ultimately would become a sex addict). Let me put it this way: I too have had days that I got a bit too much into masturbating (3 times or more a day). The next day the urge to do so again is extremely high and it\'s almost inevitable to do so. Getting rid of this habit for one day would already be enough to get rid of the temptation. Kinda like the reactions you get from an addiction that\'s not TOO severe yet. Highly addictive, but not TOO hard to get out of. So my answer is a definite YES!

BTW addicted to sex in a bad way! Losing your job, friends, families etc. because of your addiction. Praising sex as the greatest thing in the world is not the same as being addicted.

I\'m not sure what could cause it to have addiction-like properties, but my guess would be the sudden testosterone-raise and the testosterone-drop pretty soon afterwards. Addiction mainly has to do with certain changes in chemical constitution in the blood, inhibiting nerve pulses to the brain or amplyfying them, etc. and that would be pretty much the case here, I think. Testosterone is very important in males and the precursor of certain other hormones and substances, so even though the difference between the highest point and the lowest is pretty small, it still affects various things.

01-03-2003, 06:50 AM
I\'ve known two men who would rather masturbate than be with a woman, and who masturbated several times a day. They were both completely porn addicted. They would rather watch porn and jack off than be with a woman. I don\'t know how that starts, but I do think it\'s true you can get addicted to masturbation. If it\'s a quick stress relief kind of thing in the shower in the morning and you\'re still motivated to live your life and be with women, etc., I\'d tend to shrug it off. But if that\'s beginning to be your preferred method of stress relief, anxiety relief, sexual stimulation, it becomes a very limited way to live.

01-03-2003, 09:00 AM
Intersting position on not masturbating

http://www.geocities.com/how2getlaid2002/ (\"http://www.geocities.com/how2getlaid2002/\")

01-03-2003, 09:04 AM
LOL! Good stuff! /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

01-03-2003, 10:09 AM
God gave you a dick to put it into women - if you\'re lucky. Masturbation serves that goal in odd ways. If your masturbatory behavior is not serving that goal, then it\'s a perversion (look it up.)

It keeps fresh sperm ready and available - sort of like rotating stock. It also flushes out the prostate and Cowper\'s glands - fluid turnover helps fight disease by keeping the glands stocked with fresh fluids with antibodies. This is important for older men like me - use it or lose it.

It takes a lot of work and nutrition to make the ingredients in semen - seminal fluid and sperm. This uses energy that might go elsewhere. It also consumes a lot of l-arginine, a vital amino acid found largely in meat. When I\'m in one of those situation where I\'m with a woman for a very intense sexual period, say a week vacation, where I have the opportunity to get sex frequently and repeatedly, I\'ll take a few extra grams of l-arginine a day - that helps rapidly replenish the seminal fluids. Gotta deliver that \"vital essence\" when the opportunities arise.

Masturbation three times a day is a waste and a distraction. This is not doing you any good, my friend, and if you do have the opportunity to be with a woman, you\'ll probably be shooting blanks even if your body remembers what to do. For a guy your age, every two or three days would be about right. As Bruce pointed out, maybe some clean living would help you break the habit.

01-03-2003, 01:43 PM
Just did a little check on arginine. It seems that arginine cures/prevents impotence, so if you\'re someone who thinks that playing with your mojo yourself is the exercise the guy needs in order to be in good condition, you\'re probably entirely wrong.

Here\'s more on it:

L-arginine is required for the body to synthesize nitric oxide, which enables the arterial system to retain its youthful elasticity, thus alleviating hypertension in some people. L-arginine and L-ornithine have been shown to promote natural growth hormone (GH) release from the pituitary gland.

ÂL-arginine is an essential amino acid. L-ornithine may be used as an alternative since it metabolizes to L-arginine in the body. If taken in doses larger that those normally obtained from your diet or if taken on an empty stomach, these amino acids may be helpful for:

Hypertension: L-arginine is required for the body to synthesize nitric oxide, which enables the arterial system to retain its youthful elasticity, thus alleviating hypertension in some people.

Nitric oxide also helps to produce endothelial relaxation factor, which is needed by the arterial system to expand and contract with each heartbeat. The inability of arteries to expand and contract is a major cause of hypertension associated with aging. If you decide to try L-arginine to lower blood pressure, ask your physician to reduce your antihypertensive medication while you are increasing your intake of arginine.

Growth Hormone: L-arginine and L-ornithine have been shown to promote natural growth hormone (GH) release from the pituitary gland. GH promotes healthy anabolic metabolism throughout the body, helping to maintain youthful protein synthesis within cells.

Aging causes a decline in protein synthesis that results in many of the degenerative diseases of aging, which may be partially corrected by enhancing GH serum levels. You can measure the GH enhancing effects of L-arginine/L-ornithine by measuring your blood levels of somatomedin C (IGF-1), a GH metabolite. L-ornithine is generally considered to be twice as potent as L-arginine for the purpose of GH release, so L-ornithine alone or in combination with L-arginine enables a person to take a smaller amount and still achieve the same GH releasing effects.

Wound Healing: Surgical or traumatic injury greatly increases the body’s need for L-arginine, a key building block to repair damaged tissue and bone. Numerous studies document enhanced wound healing in response to L-arginine supplementation. L-ornithine may also be used for this purpose.


•Diabetics and borderline diabetics should use growth hormone releasers with care. L-arginine and L-ornithine might improve or worsen a diabetic condition.

•Persons who have not completed their bone growth (children and teenagers) and pregnant or lactating women should not use GH releasers except under a physician’s supervision.

•L-arginine and L-ornithine sometimes reactivate latent herpes virus infections. Therefore, persons who have had ocular or brain herpes should not use them.

•Those with certain psychoses may experience worsened symptoms if they take L-arginine or L-ornithine supplements.

•Always take antioxidants with arginine.

01-03-2003, 02:01 PM
\"so if you\'re someone who thinks that playing with your mojo yourself is the exercise the guy needs in order to be in good condition, you\'re probably entirely wrong.\"

Sorry Dude, just following doctor\'s orders. In fact, a decent turnover is good for a man, especially over 40. I had a minor prostate infection a few years back and after the antibiotics kicked in, the prescription was for lot\'s of sex. However, a \"decent turnover\" is much less than 3 times a day.

Some of your cut-and-paste is a bit overblown. It can exaserbate herpes (lysine,on the other hand will help surpress it.) As to curing impotence, that\'s just too big a claim. There is a relationship between l-arginine ingestion in one\'s diet and one\'s libido. Certain South American tribes only have sex after the hunters return with meat - their diet is otherwise so devoid of l-arginine that they can\'t get it up.

A normal Westerner can not usually claim a lack of l-arginine as a cause of impotence. On the other hand, taking a big bunch of it (two to ten grams) can make one a bit more rough-and-tumble. Taking extra can, as I mentioned earlier, help replenish depleted seminal fluids rapidly.

01-03-2003, 04:12 PM
dude 3 times a day is WAY too much. Max for me (that I will let myself -- used to do as much as 4 or 5 times a day) is once a day. With a day off every now and then. I personally believe that too much will make you shy (it did to me). Think of confidence as a chick gettin mechanism. If you are masterbating (and this tricks your body into thinking it is sex) then your mechanism gets lazy. When you don\'t masterbate your mechanism has to up the confidence (to get chicks -- confidence IMO is a chick getter -- an evolutionary hold over). Now i don\'t blieve in an infintie supply of sprem, but I believe that your body makes this stuff non-stop possible into your late 50\'s (and especailly in your teens and 20\'s). The problem is that you don\'t have very much storage space. So your body depends on this effort to clear the space. So your body HAS to up your confidence (based on the premise that confidence is a chick getter which IMO it is).

Just don\'t stop masterbating (or more generally ejalating -- if you can ejaclute enough to keep some space clear through sex teach me your method !!! ) because it is good for your prostate and stuff. Plus you wanna keep your bits and pieces in working order. Use it or lose it so to speak.

01-03-2003, 04:20 PM
\"The problem is that you don\'t have very much storage space. So your body depends on this effort to clear the space.\"

Your body simply absorbes the old and excess.

01-03-2003, 05:12 PM
i don\'t believe that. I think your body compels you to shoot it out.

01-03-2003, 06:16 PM
another thing. 3 times a day would probably desentize the hell out of you. so when u get to the real thing, there will not be enough stimulation to keep you interested.

01-05-2003, 12:39 PM
Sorry, MtnJim, but Druid\'s right on this. When a guy has a vasocectime (sp?) he does absorb it internally. If he goes without ejaculation for a while, possibly some of the volume is reabsorbed but the body still has to \"externalize\" at least some.

01-05-2003, 02:36 PM
i agree with druid

btw... i felt weird, depressed and anxious when i went without doing it for 4 days... thats all i could take. I will now limit myself to 3 times a week.

01-05-2003, 03:40 PM
If you want to reverse that depression and reduce the need for masturbation a bit then buy some PCC (couplins) and apply under youre nose, this is great for depression and raises youre test levels also, its female equivalent of pheromones. Making the guy think he has a hot female in front of him and his testostrone levels go up ready for \"sex\" its all the effect on youre brain but it will help heaps.

01-06-2003, 02:33 AM
http://HerboLove.com/library/resource/overmas/ (\"http://HerboLove.com/library/resource/overmas/\")

http://www.actionlove.com/extra/over.htm (\"http://www.actionlove.com/extra/over.htm\")

01-06-2003, 05:19 AM
Masturbation is neither good nor bad, depending on how often you can afford to do so without affecting the functions of other organs. In one recently published study, ninety-five percent of men and eighty-seven percent of women have practiced masturbation occasionally. The study further indicated those men usually experience an orgasm when they masturbate and learn how to masturbate before engaging in any sexual intercourse. Another important finding showed males who masturbate frequently during adolescence continue this sexual behavior into their adulthood with the frequency increasing.

Is this addictive behavior of masturbation harmful to your body? To answer this question, one has to understand how ejaculating works. An orgasm or ejaculation discharges the bioelectric energy (bio-energy) stored by the parasympathetic nervous subsystem via the sympathetic nervous action. It is supposed to discharge the bio-energy stored in the sexual organs. This is why an orgasm is associated with a burst and subsequent release of tension. When the sexual organs are insufficiently charged, the sympathetic system will draw the energy from other organs, deactivating the associated organs and slowing down the response of the Central Nervous System (CNS) which is the commander of the endocrine and nervous function. So, frequent masturbation and consequent ejaculation will result in depleting other organs of bio-energy since the sexual organs can’t support the release of bio-energy being drawn from over-masturbation.

The association of masturbation with guilt and anxiety is partly due to the ignorance of the fact masturbation is not harmful. These negative sentiments are partly due to centuries of religious teachings that masturbating is sinful. In addition, many of us have received negative messages about masturbation from our parents or have even been punished when caught masturbating as children. The cumulative effect of these influences is usually confusion and guilt, which is often difficult to sort out. However, the only time masturbation can be ‘bad’ or harmful is when it becomes compulsive. Compulsive masturbation, like all other compulsive behaviors, is a sign of an emotional problem and needs to be addressed by a mental health specialist. Sex, of course, is extremely pleasurable and all things pleasurable are addictive. Over-masturbation can cause serious problems that aren’t limited to the bedroom. Frequent masturbation should be addressed.

So, contrary to ancient and popular beliefs, masturbation does not lead to unbridled lust, make you blind or deaf, give you the flu, drive you crazy, grow hair on your hand, make you stutter, or kill you. Rather, masturbation is a natural and harmless expression of sexuality in both men and women and a perfectly good way to experience sexual pleasure. In fact, some experts argue that masturbation improves sexual health by increasing an individual\'s understanding of his or her own body and of what is erotically pleasing, building self-confidence and fostering self-acceptance. This knowledge can then be carried forth to make for a more satisfying sexual relationship with one\'s partner, both through each partner\'s comfort with mutual masturbation and because of the ability to tell each other what is most pleasing. It is a good idea for a couple to discuss their attitudes about masturbation and to calm any insecurities a partner may have if the other should sometimes favor masturbation over sexual intercourse. In some relationships, masturbation may be mutually acceptable. Done alone or in the presence of a partner, the act can be pleasing and add to mutual intimacy if it is not experienced as a rejection. Like most behaviors, without proper communication, the act of masturbation can be a sign of anger, alienation, or displeasure with the way the relationship is progressing.

Overcoming society\'s negative stereotypes and one\'s personal feelings about masturbation can allow men and women the freedom to explore and experience their own sexuality in a private, satisfying manner. One word of caution: in keeping with the practices of safer sex, masturbation with a partner can be an enjoyable alternative to intercourse, as long as you avoid contact with your partner\'s semen or vaginal fluids, especially if you have any cuts or open sores. But, to reiterate, masturbation will become harmful if done excessively. Here is why:

Over-masturbation or over-ejaculation drains the body of Human Growth Hormones, DHEA, and testosterone, which are used for recharging the CNS and the parasympathetic (bio-energy restoring) function of each organ. As a result, the endocrine-associated organs slow down hormone production. The eyes become very sensitive to sunlight due to the deficiency of the bio-energy in the visual nerves (the erectile drug Viagr* (trademarked name not allowed here) produces the similar side effect - blue vision). The ears buzz due to the deficiency of bio-energy in the hearing nerves. The heart beats irregularly due to insufficient bio-energy in the auto-rhythmic and contractile fibers. Blood pressure becomes too high or too low due to insufficient levels of bio-energy in the kidneys to regulate the kidney renin-release mechanism. A higher volume of sweat and bouts of fatigue occur due to the insufficient bio-energy in the adrenal cortexes, which produce DHEA to pacify the sympathetic nervous function. The patient also experiences pains and spastic cramps in the muscles and joints (in particular, in the lower back area due to the lack of DHEA and testosterone to feed the local cells and neurons) and his waist becomes very weak.

01-06-2003, 01:28 PM
Great post MaxiMog - actually it gives me a little bit of a scare, looks like I\'m going on the wagon for a few days or longer...

The eyes become very sensitive to sunlight...Check

The ears buzz due to the deficiency of bio-energy in the hearing nerves...Check (buzzing right now)

The heart beats irregularly due to insufficient bio-energy in the auto-rhythmic and contractile fibers...Haven\'t noticed this

Blood pressure becomes too high or too low due to insufficient levels of bio-energy in the kidneys to regulate the kidney renin-release mechanism...Check - High Blood Pressure

A higher volume of sweat and bouts of fatigue occur...Check I\'ve always sweated a lot

The patient also experiences pains and spastic cramps in the muscles and joints...I hurt my back two months ago, but perhaps by working out frequently I do not suffer from this as much.

Oh & I\'ve been masturbating about 3 times a day for a while now, I\'m 31 <hides>

01-06-2003, 02:10 PM
There\'s a lot of good stuff on the herbolove.com site, I know.

Although I\'m glad to say I stopped doing at THAT much, I must say that lots of the symptoms were more or less noticable back then.

The lower back pain was most apparent. I never was sure what caused it. Masturbation was one of the possibilities I considered, but I was also training my stomach a lot back then, and I thought I had just injured my back a little.

The buzzing almost never happened, and if it did, it was right after having done it.

Eyesight? My eyesight is bad enough to cause me to wear lenses, so... Anyway, it was noticable that my eyesight wasn\'t always as sharp, but I blamed fatigue of causing that.

My concentration also isn\'t what it should be or has been...

I think it\'s still best to not blame masturbation for causing ALL of our little troubles, but...

At moments like this, I\'m glad my diet is so healthy. Excessive masturbation AND unhealthy diet... I\'d rather not think about it.


I\'m actually quite pissed at what some sites, newspapers and scientific magazines have been saying: \"there\'s nothing wrong about masturbation. It\'s healthy to do so\". First it causes you to get hairy palms and go blind and whatnot, then it\'s healthy all the way. Kids and teens are getting the message that it\'s unconditionally good for you. Not right IMO! Sex is without a doubt one of the most important/joyful things in life, and letting young people destroy their chances of getting quality sex later on is no less than criminal to me.

01-06-2003, 02:17 PM
Must be different for men than women. I\'ve been taking care of business since I was about 9, as many times a day as I feel like it, and it\'s never hurt me not one little bit, or diminished any pleasure in sex with a partner.

My back hurts if I DON\'T.

01-06-2003, 02:28 PM
I\'m so glad you said that...same here....never a problem.
I was just a young kid in camp when I discovered the joys of a shower head. Never stopped for a moment...

01-06-2003, 02:42 PM
I am assuming that Ryan is not having sex with females on a regular basis...he didn\'t say.

Is it healthy for an 18 year old to be masturbating thrice daily, be depressed, and not be socializing / having sex with women??? My vote is: NO.

Ryan needs to tell us if he is having sex with anyone else.

01-06-2003, 02:46 PM
or a running faucet...

01-06-2003, 02:59 PM
need help??

\"Stick your head in the sand and someone will come along and shoot your ass off\"
[i] Wolfe

01-06-2003, 03:03 PM
yes, actually

but don\'t tease me

01-06-2003, 03:05 PM
Argghhh! How do you guys expect me to get my attention focused back on work?! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

01-06-2003, 03:06 PM
can honestly say i\'ve BEEN teased a few times in life(and left to pay the price) but never ever would i do the teasing w/o a follow up /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

01-06-2003, 03:06 PM
See? Now there\'s nice manners.

01-06-2003, 03:11 PM
Women are different than men. In sex, they are superior, it\'s pretty much a fact. You can chose your own reasons to justify that, but here\'s the most obvious thing to me: a woman can practically come as much as she wants. A man can come a couple of times, but he will ultimately be extrememy exhausted. If you want love to go on after ejaculation, it\'s best not to let him come TOO often.

An orgasm in men causes ejaculation (at least most of the times). Women\'s orgasms do not have results as \"meaningful\" as that. Don\'t get me wrong here. It\'s basically like this: Sex was originally intended for reproduction. In order to do so, then man has to ejaculate/have an orgasm. Women do not necessarily need to have a orgasm. Fertilisation will be easier if both come at the same time, but the woman\'s orgasm just is not a necessity for fertilisation. IMO male sex is more connected to what is was meant for than women sex (i.e. from a woman\'s point of view. I\'m not talking about lesbian sex here). Dunno what I\'m trying to prove here, but I just want to point out that excessive sex/masturbation is probably more harmful to men than it is to women due to the closer connection of male sex to the whole purpose of sex i.e. reproduction. Semen production takes a lot of energy after all so give your body a break. Fasting is good for the body and allows your organs to rest and break down toxic substances. I think it\'s healthy to let your dick have a rest from time to time too (i.e. don\'t masturbate/ejaculate x times a day. x being 2 or more).

What interested me a lot about this site is that influences of Eastern filosophy are pretty apparent. I have a certain book called \"the tao of loving\" and it\'s about regulating ejaculation so you can have sex for hours and hours completely satyisfying tour female partner. Even then, it\'s not necessary to come (due to the effects in males). Just admit it guys: is a woman still as attractive after you\'ve completely come to your senses after having ejaculated? No need for lies! That\'s why it\'s so great to regulate ejaculation: you\'ll be able to keep it up for hours! The point is to make the the whole experience memorable through having a lot of pleasure for a very long time, rather than working your way quickly to the moment where the tension is released like a burst of lighting followed by a big noise. You\'ll not have come, but you will not be troubled or trouble your partner. Ejaculation only happens every once in a while. They also take into account which season it is and other stuff like that...

01-06-2003, 03:12 PM
i have a question, ya know if a man gets turned on and left high and dry from it w/o relief it cause whats called \'blue balls\', does that happen to women too? *BLUSH*

01-06-2003, 03:16 PM
That\'s cool and all, keeping it up forever...but great sex is not always so much about the guy\'s erection.

And I wonder about all that tao stuff.

And when women come, their cervixes dip down and suck, repeatedly. Female orgasm facilitates pregnancy. It\'s better for pregnancy if the man comes just before she does, actually, so she\'ll have something in there for her to suck up. I have seen movies of this on the discovery channel, I\'m not making it up.

Sex for pregnancy is mostly not what we\'re talking about, anyway. Sex is mostly for fun. If you\'re doing it right.

01-06-2003, 03:31 PM
I just formulated it a bit different then, but I meant the same thing: if the woman has an orgasm she\'ll get pregant more easily because of the sperm getting sucked up.

You\'re taking it a bit to literally FTR. Keeping it up is not necessarily about a guy having a hard one all the time. I just mean being able to go on for hours without experiencing disadvantages of ejaculation i.e tiredness. I even think having a hard one all the time during a long love session is rather annoying.

Everyone does it the way he/she wants. I\'m just giving my story here, and think of it what you want. It\'s not my point to say other people how to do it.

01-06-2003, 03:32 PM
FTR\'s got it right; I saw the same program.

They actually had a tiny camera inside the woman showing the guy\'s orgasm and then the woman\'s. The orgasmic contractions pushed the cervix down into the pool of semen. Darndest thing I ever watched. (Now that was a couple of people who could perform under pressure!)

01-06-2003, 03:41 PM
ALL the women I\'ve been with get worn out after a couple of hours max - no brag, just fact. This stuff about going at it for eight hours uninterrupted just doesn\'t jive with the life experiences I\'ve had.

Frankly, after an hour of vigorous lovemaking, it starts to lose it\'s intensity. That\'s a good time to break for water, food, laughter, hugs. Then, once rested, do it again.

01-06-2003, 04:24 PM
Wolfe...I have had the female version of blue balls. It is when a woman\'s clit gets engorged, but the job is not completed. It\'s not comfortable.

01-06-2003, 04:52 PM
Hurts like a bitch, and the ache spreads into your low back and all through your lower pelvis. Talk about make you grouchy.

This business of \"women just need to cuddle\" -- if just that one bit of stupidity could be put to rest, I\'d be happy for awhile.

01-06-2003, 04:55 PM
<This business of \"women just need to cuddle\" -- if just that one bit of stupidity could be put to rest, I\'d be happy for awhile. >

AMEN!!!! I\'m so damn sick of that crap. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

01-06-2003, 04:59 PM
Wolfe, we\'re not fussing at you, mind you. It\'s a good question and I\'m really glad you asked it because there are still men out there who think women\'s orgasms 1. serve no biological function, and 2. are not necessary for their sexual satisfactin.

Both ideas are just wrong.


01-06-2003, 05:05 PM
damn, makes me damn glad i never left a job undone then cause i sure know what it\'s like to suffer a let down. and trust me, now i know women suffer the same way i\'ll always make sure i keep doing just that..finishing the job. One way or another.
theres no job that can\'t be licked

01-06-2003, 05:28 PM
<theres no job that can\'t be licked>

EXACTLY /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

01-06-2003, 06:36 PM
Or fingered out, one way or another.

Oh, I meant figured out.

or something.

01-06-2003, 06:58 PM
Yes! A man after my own heart! It\'s always easy to know when the man has an orgasm, but don\'t leave us women high and dry. Er, I mean hot and deprived. Finish the job and you\'ll have our undying love. Or at least we\'ll have fond memories of you as a great lover, no strings attached. \"No pain, no gain\" does not apply here.

01-06-2003, 07:19 PM
It\'s the truth. Make sure she comes every time, whatever it takes. That\'s the secret of making a love slave. No lie.

01-07-2003, 01:38 AM
number 1 rule in love making for a man (and hardest thing he has to learn) forget about his own pleasure, and pleasure his woman. If he does that first and foremost his life will be heaven.

\"Bury your head in the sand, somebody will come along and shoot your ass off\"
[i] Wolfe

01-07-2003, 12:37 PM
So true send her to heaven for her to make his life heaven.

02-01-2003, 04:42 AM

I don\'t mean to be rude, but where do you get this stuff? There\'s no \"bio energy\" that I know about.

Let\'s take Viagra and blue vision for an example. Here\'s what actually is going on:

Penile erection works through a mechanism mediated by nitric oxide, which is released by neve endings in the penis. This causes a release of guanylate cyclase, which in turn causes a release of cyclic guanosine monophosphate (cGMP), which causes the tissue around the penile arteries to relax, increasing blood flow.

An enzyme called phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE-5), mops up the cGMP so that erections don\'t last forever. Viagra is a PDE-5 inhibitor, so the muscles stay relaxed longer, more blood flows in for longer, hence a bigger, longer lasting erection (assuming that the other parts of the system are working, like the nitric oxide release, etc.)

The reason for the blue vision experienced by some people is that there is an enzyme in the eye called PDE-6, which is another phosphodiesterase that also works on cGMP, this time so that sodium channels in the eye can close, allowing light to be transduced by the optic nerve.

It appears that in some men have enough PDE-6 that they don\'t get any noticable visual effects from Viagra (or perhaps there\'s variablility in the PDE-6 enzyme which hasn\'t yet been documented).

That\'s what causes it... nothing to do with \"bio energy\" (which isn\'t actually a scientific concept I\'m familiar with).

02-03-2003, 01:06 AM
There\'s a little search engine called google right? Now if you want to know something about overmasturbation you can use your keyboard to type something like \"excessive masturbation\" and press enter. That will cause your browser to refresh and show pages according to their relevance to the subject you were looking for. If one of those pages contains stuff like what I pasted on the forum, then it\'s because it was relevant to the subject this topic was about. Think about the general idea of the text all you want. I merely prevented the need for others to go searching. If what I tell here is bollocks then it is merely that because someone else apparently felt the need for posting bollocks (which is not to my liking)

What I AM sure of (and which is ALSO the genral idea in all texts about overmasturbating I\'m familiar with:

There\'s nothing wrong with masturbating like three times a week. (even more is acceptable, DEPENDING on age, situation etc.) Hell it\'s even healthy. keeping your sexual organs active from time to time is like working out from time to time: keeps them healthy and makes them stronger! (being it muscles or your reproductive organs)
Masturbating like three to ten times a day is a bit worse for you and it\'s quite possible that you do not do so because you feel you need to. THis has been written on this forum already, but only a few days ago, i did read that excessive masturbating CAN make you shy.

02-07-2003, 04:10 PM
I usually go at least 2-3 times a day....But, I have stopped for like 3/4 weeks before...

Basically, I look at it as weightlifting, YES you DO GET TIRED! However, when you come back from it, you will be stronger than you were before.

Get it?

If I lift weights, I\'ll be tired afterward, worn out, but when I get rested back up, there\'s overcompensation.

The only PROBLEM is that at 3 times a day it may be a form of overtraining.

Yes, the body will come back stronger, however, you have to give it the chance to!

The reason I went like 3 or 4 weeks was just, to test it out.

Basically, at first, your test levels are higher, yeah, because you are rested, however, aftera about a day or 2 they drop back down. Masterbation would seem as something for your body to push against, keep it in the prime.

Not masterbating for EXTENDED periods of times, is like sleeping.

If you sleep TOO MUCh you will wake up groggy and tired. However, if you don\'t get enough, you will also wake up groggy and tired.


Basically, after the 3 or 4 weeks.

I got REALLY WEAK! I\'m talking...My strength levels DROPPED! I lost over 5# of muscle, and was more sensitive to cold and hot, almost like women, which would explain it...Women get cold and hot easier.

Started back up...Bamm, gained back the strength, etc. Don\'t feel sick as much. And now, I can back again, go out in freezing cold whether and it doesn\'t phase me.

Basically, it\'s jut like weightlifting, it makes you tired, but you come back stronger. Too much is overtraining, too little is not enough.

I would suggest that he takes it down to 1-2 times, preferrebly one.

Another thing I noticed also, is that, after the layoff, coming back was INTENSE...But, after 2 and 3 times a day it\'s NOTHING....

I think a lot if it is, he basically has nothing better to do really.

Just do it once a day. When you\'re not, try working out or something, something as simple as pushups would help....Or, do something, ie, sports, school work. Or, do nothing. Meditation is always good.

Basically, I think it wasn\'t excatly the masterbation, but rather, the fact that he was just more focused on masterbation and less focused on everything else.

Oh, and about the sperm count.

When I stopped.... I guess, the body was used to producing the sperm. But, for the first 2 weeks or so, every time I\'d sh*t some would come out...No joke, I\'ve never had a wet dream in my life.

But, yeah, sperm production SLOWS DOWN!...

Basically, if you take it down to once a day, you\'ll have enough to keep the body pushing forward, keep you strong, etc, but not enough to produce EXCESSIVE tiredness.

Not just THAT, but, you\'ll ENJOY it more. The body seems to get desensitized.


02-07-2003, 04:15 PM
Yes, it will trick the body into getting lazy. However, too LITTLE and the body is tricked ALSO into thinking it does not need it.

Personally, what wha\'ts his name said, once every 2-3 days, I don\'t think that\'s enough. I think once a day is about right. 2-3 days? Perhaps for older people. However, for younger people like myself. I can regenerate the sperm back in usually 12 hours.

Oh, and working out, same deal, it usually only takes me 12-24 hours. I have an exceptional recovery rate. Mostly because I FORCE myself to. I lift every day. People say, oh, that\'s too much. Yeah, I can bench press you over my head!



02-07-2003, 04:22 PM
I disagree. If you have frequent masterbation, you will get just like wokring out. Overcompenstaion. The body will be PREPARED next time for orgasm (I think orgrams is much stronger than the burning sensation for example when you get lifting) and so it will produce extra of the homrones, etc.

Basically, if you do it reguarly, but not too much, it will be as if nothing happened, however, you will still have the extra hormones the body produces.

Same as lifting basically.

I guess masterbation would be a WHOLE BODY thing though. But, I mean, hey, I\'d rather have an orgasm than that damned burning pain, and the weak feeling in the arms, etc from working out. lol

I think it just depends on 1. Your age. 2. Your body\'s ability on how fast you can regenerate.

However, just like lifting you get an overcompenstation.

But, yeah, I thikn the shyness would come from after doing it VERY OFTEN, it\'s not stimulating. you don\'t want it, and so, your not\' intrested in screwing girls. On the other hand though, if you don\'t ever do it, for example, you don\'t know what you\'re missing. The body thinks it doesn\'t NEED sex. I think just regular frequent is the best. Just so long as you don\'tj spend all your time on it.

That will make you bigger, most focused, etc.


02-07-2003, 04:34 PM
My body feels more satified after working out, than after masturbation. I guess I should go to the gym more often. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif


02-07-2003, 04:35 PM
Like I was saying....If it\'s not done TOO OFTEN, blood pressure is not effected.

Another example; while on a LONG layoff, my bp RAISED to high normal to high.

When I was doing it 2 and 3 times a day it did the same thing.

Once a day...

I have LOWER THAN NORMAL blood pressure.

Not only that...I have literally 58 beats a minute on average I did the test over and over.....


It\'s like, you don\'t ever work out, you get high blood pressure.

You work out too much, the blood pressure goes up, and cortizol is released.

And people, stop being os dramatic, like I was...

If you do it 3 times a day, don\'t do it now once a week! lol

That\'s crzy!

Just once a day, seriously.

According to statistcs, men masterbate once a day, and women it\'s once a week.

I know people that don\'t do it at all.

INTERESTINGLY they are ALSO very thin, fat.

These are those people with low testosterone levels....They have no muscle = thin arms, but a lot of fat = big stomach.

No, they weren\'t born that way...You may be thinking, oh, they have low test, so they don\'t want to....

Not true, if women do it more often than NEVER that would be untrue.

It\'s just a thing of too much = not good. None at all = not as healhty.

Just once a day people, and you\'ll be FINE.

At 31, I don\'t know HOW you accomplish it 3 times a day.

You use porn etc? Movies probably?

But, yeah, I think the shyness is from the body getting lazy.

Oh, and by the way....All those symptoms, I get after a grueling work out.

Another thing I notice though, is heat, in the ears. I never get messed up vision, but it sounds like you are underwater.

Intrestingly though, orgasm increases EVERYTHING, I always get immediately after a cold/hot feeling in the body. I get this same effect after moderate caffeine use (which, by the way, too much caffeine will make you nervious etc. As it is a STIMULANT. However, just a little bit will actually make you FOCUSED! This is basically what ritalin is...one of the trimethylaxanthine....Caffeine is 1,3,7 trimethylaxanthine...

But, basically, yeah, caffeeine releases energy, makes you focus, same thing with orgasm, so long as it\'s not too often.

When I had to study for my drivings test...Or, i\'m reading a book...I\'ll orgasm, and than, like 10 or 15 minutes later read it....And remember EVERYTHING.

Same thing, basically, just don\'t do too much.

Like, if you run a little bit, and than do something, as long as you didn\'t do too much, you\'ll be more focused, get the blood flowing also.

Plus, masterbation increases nitric oxide.

Basically, if there is blood in the penis it will get more nutrients, and grow bigger.

Another theory, which would seem to be supported. More red blood cells is made in the body. This would make SENSE. Beasue the body TAKES the blood from the REST OF THE BODY to go to the penis....

Now, while this is happening the body probably tries to makme extra. Now, the only thing you don\'t ALWAYS have all that blood needed for a hard-on, and so, it\'s extra.

This would CORRELATE to why I\'m able to withstand cold and hot much better!

I didn\'t think that up..I just thought of it right now. You think it\'s just a theory, perhaps, however, I\'m just going off what i noticed, just thought of it RIGHT NOW....I mean, it makes sense...I felt the reactions...They came BEFORE I made any \"theories\".

Only thing is, I don\'t know what it would have anything to do with women. When did they ever care about MUSCLE, and more red blood cells, etc. Maybe it will make them healthy though, ie, not get sick; that would be something everyone desires.

However, I think for both men AND women it would make you more focused though.


02-07-2003, 04:38 PM
Yeah, for me, it is the opposite, however, I work out from 5-7 days a week.

But, I still don\'t know if anyone\'s mentioned the OVERCOMPENSATION masterbation gives you....

It makes you stronger. And more healthy...

You don\'t believe me...You stop for like a month or more (If you weren\'t OVERDOING IT with like 3 times a day and stuff) than you\'ll be a PUSS!


02-07-2003, 04:41 PM
Oh no, I won\'t stop. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif I think it is maybe a sign to do less masturbating and more working-out. I should go the gym at least 2 or 3 days a week .....

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

02-07-2003, 04:43 PM
at 31 you don\'t know how?/

LMAO , dude at 45 i was still doing my ol lady 2-3 times a day..get better info.

02-07-2003, 04:45 PM
Post deleted by franki

02-07-2003, 04:47 PM
ya think so?. just so ya know, i can still do a woman 2-3 times in one day, just cant do that every day like i used to. only way i can do it daily now is if i do it once a day with her.(with a few doubles tossed in once a week r so at best)

02-07-2003, 04:48 PM
Don\'t know for sure. But to have sex 2-3 times a day every day of the week is even a bit on the high side for a 25-year-old.

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

02-07-2003, 04:51 PM
if you say so.

02-07-2003, 04:52 PM
I am not talking about sex gods here ....:D


02-07-2003, 04:53 PM
Well, just experiment. More/less, etc. I don\'t think ANYONE needs more than once a day though. However, just experiment with it.


02-07-2003, 05:07 PM
Hey marv, 58 bpm? 54 over here /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

02-07-2003, 10:34 PM
What is the different between too much masturbating, and too much make love ?

Is there any survey/graph, what is the normal/safe frequency for each age ?


02-08-2003, 04:28 AM
beats me(no pun intended) but sure sounds like they telling me i made love to often.(sure am glad my woman didnt think that way)

02-08-2003, 05:41 AM
I was trying to say you might have been sexually more active than the average male. I think that is rather a compliment.


02-08-2003, 06:00 AM
wasnt really that hard, once in the morning b4 work and again in the afternoon b4 i went to do my workouts, then sometimes we\'d do it b4 bed r middle of the night, only on weekends did i do it one time after the other, rest of the time was mostly 6-12 hrs apart.

02-08-2003, 06:44 AM
Yeah twice a day was typical when I was dating the \"right\" girl (meaning the kind that like it almost as much as I do), once when we went to bed (occassionally twice - or more) & once in the morning (assuming we didn\'t have a marathon session the night before) - every day for months - not that unusual I don\'t think. Man she freaked out when we broke up, haheh - her loss.

12-04-2003, 03:53 PM
As if to

share my wisdom on events past...

Ejaculate 1 a week.

...You can\'t be telling me the only reason you have

sex is to imitate a lawn fountain?...

Watch your brain get back in gear.


Um.. this only works if

you\'ve got a ladyfriend though.

(but, trust me, the sex gets better)

Make love, not gravy.