Primal Instinct vs. RM

[nczeebs]

I have gotten the feeling from this forum that people usually PI over the RM because they have reported better hits with the PI. However, the NONE concentration is the same as PI. If that\'s the case, shouldn\'t these products be eliciting the same types of responses?

[franki]

1. They don\'t have the same manufacturer. Stone Lab\'s none is different from PI-none

2. The PI-unscented doesn\'t have the (too sweet) (and too) dominant frangrance that RM has. in other words, you can use PI in combination with different scents, but your scent of choice with RM is very limited.

Franki /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[nczeebs]

Who\'s -NONE is better? PI\'s or Stone Lab\'s?

[krtel]

I think it depends on your overall goal. PI/m seems to be more sexually oriented and RM (according to feedback.) seems to work better for professional use, however there is some sexual feedback on RM. I like PI/m, even though I did order RM, PI gives me all around consistent hits.

- Krish

[franki]

The none from LaCroy (NPA/TE) however, is known as the most aggressive, sexy and bad smelling compared to the none of Stone and the none in PI.

[krtel]

Ah, and it is also the most unstable source of anone. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

- Krish

[CptKipling]

Wish we could know why the hell it is this way though.

[krtel]

I honestly think it has something to do with the quality of the androstenone.

- Krish

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Franki (or anyone) do we know what\'s in women\'s TE or NPA? I never in my entire life smelled anything, ever so rank as TE -- smells like somebody juiced their gym shorts and oldest tennis shoes and put it in a bottle - and then it turned me on! Perplexing.

[CptKipling]

The womens TE turned you on???? Worth investigating... you I mean not the TE/w /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

I don\'t think we came to a conclusion regarding the contents of TE/w.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Woo-hoo! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Yeah, we were talking about it in the Women\'s Forum.

[nczeebs]

If the RM is more for professional use and the PI is more sexually oriented, then what if I am a professional player? Which one would I use? HAHA how bout that one for a brain twister!! Honestly though out of NPA, PI/m, or RM which one do you recommend and get the most hits with?

[krtel]

It is my opinion that PI has a universal type of *none, which can adapt to your environment. How you present yourself and the way you are perceived as a result of your presentation is very important. I know this because I\'ve made KR#1 work for me (contains a hefty amount of PI in it.) in a professional environment, such as school and work. Just my personal experience.

I have only tried PI and NPA, and RM is on it\'s way. As for my personal results: out of NPA and PI, PI significantly out-performed NPA.

- Krish

[Lutz]

Hey, I am completely sold. I am ordering PI/m this moment. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Watcher]

And now its part of WKM#1 mix also.

[Irish]

There do seem to be differences. Maybe:

1) Differences in the none itself (enantiomers or blends??)
2) Differences in manufacturing byproducts (maybe the byproducts are active or suppressive?)
3) Differences in carrier (alcohol vs. oil makes a difference in delivery)

I use Stone none in mixes when I want to stay below the scent radar. But Andro4.2 seems good as standalone. It smells richer and different than Stone, even after the harsher alcohol smell dies down. Blatant hits with Ando4.2 - really good stuff.

[stuttgart-man]

Hallo, I`m using pheromones for about three years, but I have up to now never heard that there are different types

of None (mentioned above)! Is the 5a-Androst-16-en-3-one not the solely Androstenone? If this is right - do exist

better and inferior kinds of androstenone?
PS: Sorry for my bad english:sad:

[gecko]

Hallo, I`m

using pheromones for about three years, but I have up to now never heard that there are different types of None

(mentioned above)! Is the 5a-Androst-16-en-3-one not the solely Androstenone?
stuttgart-man,

i think

those people were talking about the manufacturing quality of AndrostEnone used by different pheromone

manufacturers.

as to which manufacturer uses the best quality, i'm not sure (but i do remember that there were a

few threads discussing this a few years ago). i've had equally great results from PI/m, NPA/m, and chemset -none.

i've never tried RM, though.

i don't know if you are aware, but there is another type of -none called

AndroSTAnone:

http://www.love-scent.com/product_info.php/p/androstanone/manufacturers_id//

products_id/102?osCsid=5afd18e27e11dbef977e60b6d12718f0 (http://www.love-scent.com/product_info.php/p/androstanone/manufacturers_id//products_id/102?o

sCsid=5afd18e27e11dbef977e60b6d12718f0)

here's a link to at least 1 thread talking about

-STAnone:

http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthrea

d.php?t=16955 (http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16955)

i have not had a chance to try -STAnone, myself.

[xvs]

PI or RM? I say A-7.

The -none

in Alpha-7 seems to be very pure -- no harsh smell, but it's strong.

Some people have complained that it's

TOO strong, but that's silly: just use less! That way, it lasts longer too.

One other difference between RM

and PI or A-7 is that RM is alcohol-based (I think) while PI and A-7 are oil-based, so the evaporation rate is

different.

And A-7 and PI come in unscented versions, which I prefer.

If I'm going to use a scent,

I want to pick it myself. And if I want to mix pheros, I don't want to get some random scent based on mixing all

the scents they have in 'em.

[stuttgart-man]

PI or RM? I say

A-7.


One other difference between RM and PI or A-7 is that RM is alcohol -based (I think) while PI and A-7

are oil-based, so the evaporation rate is different.



hallo gecko and xvs,

thank you for your

help!

is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base None-products?
Which kind of product works better

and longer?

[WorkingMann]

hallo

gecko and xvs,

thank you for your help!

is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base

None-products?
Which kind of product works better and longer?
The difference is the alcohol carrier will

make it evaporate faster, and the oil slower.. but it also depends to where you apply plus a little for the

weather..
if applied to skin either will evaporate faster than on cloth because the skin is warmer.. but the

alcohol will in any case evaporate faster than the products with the oil carrier..
But if it's summer the products

will evaporate even faster (fastest on skin, a little slower on cloth) and when winter and colder evaporate

slower..
fx. i use alcohol based products now because its cold here..

and the oil carrier will often give a

minor effect for a longer period where the alcohol carrier will boost more because the mones will be released faster

and then work "stronger"... but i guess you can't see much difference..
And/or you could use oilcarriers and take

a very little bit larger dose to compensate for the slower evaporation..

[gecko]

hallo gecko

and xvs,

thank you for your help!

is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base

None-products?
Which kind of product works better and longer?

Honestly, I don’t really know the

difference b/n alcohol based & oil based –mones when it comes to which lasts longer. I know some people feel that

alcohol based –mones evaporate quicker than oil based –mones, but I’ve never bothered testing this out myself (and I

never bothered paying attention to it either).

There are only 2 incidents I can think of that kind of speak

to this:
1. I wore 2 drops of PI/m (uncut) one night (this was when I was new to –mones & didn’t know what

the hell I was doing). The next day, I had to get to the bank to deposit a check. I was in a hurry, so I brushed my

teeth & washed my face & just took off. I’d forgotten about the 2 drops of PI/m from the night before & didn’t apply

a new cover scent.
This was mid-August (a few years back). I walked like 12 blocks in 90 degree

weather to the bank. By the time I got there, I was sweating profusely. I walked up to the counter & there were 2

female Filipino bank tellers. One covered her mouth & nose & said loudly: “Ohhhh…my…god…” She kept looking at me &

turning away, and kept her mouth & nose covered. She had this horrid look on her face & was scrunching her nose.

This was when I remembered about the 2 drops of PI/m (too little, too late on my part…oops).



The other Filipino girl (who was helping me w/my deposit) just smiled & deposited my check for me. I thanked her &

bolted for the door. Two weeks later, the girl who flipped out had quit (I don’t think she had quit b/c of me, but I

think it’s pretty funny).


2. I wore an alcohol-based concoction I’d made one night. It was kind

of an AE/m clone, except it also had NPA/m, chemset –none, and A1 (in addition to chemset –nol & chemset –rone). I

pretty much kept the –nol to –none to –rone ratios the same as AE/m’s ratios. I wore maybe 4 or 5 drops of this (I

was even newer to –mones during this incident).

The next morning, I was supposed to meet a

friend & his parents for dim sum. Well, I woke up late, so I was in a hurry yet again. You guessed it…I forgot that

I had –mones on & ran out the door w/o showering or reapplying a cover scent.

I didn’t get any

obvious bad reactions like I did at the bank, but I could tell people at the restaurant were kind of shying away

from me. I had a 3 or 4 foot radius around me while we were waiting for our table. The radius would’ve probably been

bigger if there was more room…haha. I didn’t remember about the –mones until we were half-way through with dim sum.

My friend’s mother kept covering her nose. This was either June or July of the same year as incident #1

(above).

So both times, the –mones were still “going” the next morning, but I did wear an OD level the

night before during both incidents (so maybe these aren’t good examples). And I’m sure that most, if not all, of the

chemset –nol had converted to –none in incident #2.

One thing I do know (as WorkingMann pointed out) is that

body heat helps get your –mone signature out there. Back when I played with –mones more often, I would apply a bit

more during the winter months (like WorkingMann said, colder weather = slower evaporation).

If you’re

concerned w/alcohol based –mones not lasting as long, you can try applying via the lotion “trick;” it may/may not

slow down the evaporation rate. Two or three squirts of lotion in a teaspoon or into the palm of your hand, then

place however many drops of w/e -mones into the lotion, mix w/your pinky, and then apply. I suppose dabbing & then

rubbing lotion on top would work also.

Or you can go w/what WorkingMann said: apply to your clothes,

instead.

In the end, I prefer making my own mixes; so I prefer playing w/alcohol based -mones (i.e., the

chemset).

EDIT: and yes, both incidents were very embarrassing for me. :p

[stuttgart-man]

Hallo,

Is there a rule

of thumb how long works None on skin (supposed average heat)?

If I want to have a constant level of None after

which time I have to apply which amount? After 4 hours 1/2 of the initial amount?

Which time needs Nol to

convert to None? Depends it on temperatue too?

Do I risk an None-OD if I apply 1/6 Gel Pack of SOE and a 1/6 of

TE every day? Or are the pheromones completely eliminated within 24 hours?

Thank you in advance for replying my

many questions :wave:

[WorkingMann]

Hallo,



Is there a rule of thumb how long works None on skin (supposed average heat)?

If I want to have a constant

level of None after which time I have to apply which amount? After 4 hours 1/2 of the initial amount?

Which

time needs Nol to convert to None? Depends it on temperatue too?

Do I risk an None-OD if I apply 1/6 Gel Pack of

SOE a 1/6 of TE every day? Or are the pheromones completely eliminated within 24 hours?

Thank you in advance for

replying my many questions :wave:

Most say that in general about some hours.. 5-6-7 I would say.. 5 if

it's sommer, 7 if winter perhaps.. but again different from person to person.. So perhaps even though it's winter

will only last 5 hours..

constant level of none? :think: I would be affraid of buildup.. Why you want that

anyways?

[stuttgart-man]

Hallo Workingman,

I

noticed very good results in communicating with other people if I wear 1/6 pack of SOE and TE each! But up to now I

have had any doubts regarding OD if I wear this every day!
Are the pheromones of SOE and TE (almost) eliminating

within one day so that I can apply the same amount and get the same results?

[WorkingMann]

Hallo

Workingman,

I noticed very good results in communicating with other people if I wear 1/6 pack of SOE and TE

each! But up to now I have had any doubts regarding OD if I wear this every day!
Are the pheromones of SOE and TE

(almost) eliminating within one day so that I can apply the same amount and get the same results?

If you

shower and clean up I wouldn't worry..! I use mones at least 5 days a week and some times more.. And I haven't had

problems yet.. I shower every morning before I leave and I scrub the application points with soap and the hairsoap..

This is mostly my neck and wrists and haven't had problems with it yet..

[stuttgart-man]

The none from

LaCroy (NPA/TE) however, is known as the most aggressive, sexy and bad smelling compared to the none

of Stone and the none in PI.

would it be possible to filter out the negative smelling properties of None

so that None works but not smells?

[stuttgart-man]

Ah, and it is also the most unstable source of anone.

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- Krish

What is meant with "stable" and "unstable"?

Does it mean that the moons works many hours and thus this product is "stable" or has it to do with the circle in

woman, and so a product which works very good in one part of circle do work bad in another one? Or does it mean

another one?

Thank you in advance!

[visual999]

I think what they mean under

stable and un-stable is that PI is distributed more evenly across 5-7 hours, while NPA for exmamples gives OD on

first 2 hours and then normal on 3-4 hours and gone after that.

PI vs NPA for purely sexual hits is a very

interesting debate for me too.