**DONOTDELETE**
11-18-2002, 04:06 AM
Another newbie here ... for anybody just starting out with this stuff I would STRONGLY recommend getting the starter pack with samples of as many different products as possible. I didn\'t do this and I wish I did. I ordered Primal for $70 and, while it arrived 2 days after ordering (I live near Denver), it isn\'t doing a thing for me - people are getting uptight and avoiding me, and no, I don\'t have too much on. Here is my theory, after reading a good amount of the traffic in this forum. This is just my theory, based on extremely limited knowledge of this entire arena.
I think that a person\'s general \"type\" - aggressive or passive - determines which type of pheromone is going to work for them. Androstenol - the stuff in Primal - is for the rugged, macho types. This doesn\'t mean you have to be good looking; it just means that this has to be the general way you come across to others. If you\'re more the passive type ... well ... let\'s put it this way - across a 6 month period of going to a local sports bar almost every day (even though I don\'t drink alcohol) I\'ve been told three times by various extremely delicious women working there - without my ever asking - that I have the \"sweet and innocent\" look. Passive. Doesn\'t mean that\'s my personality; but it does mean that this is the impression I give when a person first encounters me. This does not help one to \"get the girl.\"
With this said, I used the Primal stuff four different times. Every time, the result was the same. People got edgy and apprehensive and they avoided me. I tried Pro Edge (a sample that came with the Primal), but that\'s -nol as well so it had the same result. So lastnight I tried the sample packet I got of Scent of Eros. This is a mix of androsterone and androstenol. I think the results I got were from the androsterone in the stuff. I was at the book store in what I consider to be a high-end part of town (Park Meadows near Denver for those who know the area). This is a very large Barnes & Noble with 4 groups of 4 chairs each, spread around the store. I had to walk around the entire store before I found an unoccupied chair. At the time I sat down, there were two VERY delectable college babes sitting down at the same time, and there was a third woman, probably late 40\'s (I\'m 41 and I\'m forever getting people thinking I\'m 30; if I were a woman I\'d love it). At the moment I was sitting down, I made a comment, something like \"you have to circle this whole place 40 times just to find an open chair.\" While I was saying that, the older woman was staring at me, grinning from ear to ear, so focused on moi that she probably forgot where she was. The two college girls were in the same mode, but with lesser intensity. I still had their full attention; that moment completely threw me for a loop, it was like being in the Twilight Zone; like stepping down to the next stair but the stair isn\'t there, your mind freaks and goes numb for a split second. It was like an event; you would have thought I was some kind of major celebrity, gracing these people with my presence. Of course I fell into full conversation with the two college girls. I really can\'t see a lot happening with two girls probably 20 years my junior; obviously some guys would think it their mission in life to get these two into bed, but it doesn\'t work that way. Pheromones can get your foot in the door but they do not engage in mind control. My feeling is, they will make a woman trust you, implicitly, and want to be closer to you. You will have her full attention. But there are other factors at play and these have to be worked with. Environment. Who else is present. Her values. How lonely she is. In the case of these two girls, had I had either one of them alone, the outcome might have been very different, but they were together and whatever one of them said, the other would hear. Remember, I am not the rugged macho type. I have the passive, sweet and innocent look, and maybe they both didn\'t want to look like they were going after me in front of the other one. Neither one spoke to me unless spoken to, but while they talked to each other, they were definitely acting and role playing and making sure they put on the right show. They were quite aware of my presence. They were blocked by the circumstances - each other\'s presence. A good word to use is that they were overwhelmed by the mones. Almost in a trance. Plus, because of the age thing, I wasn\'t extremely interested in them, and this affected what I put out to them (but GAWD they were good looking!!!). Later I went to another group of chairs. One woman sitting across from me was dead to the world. She didn\'t even know I existed. No response from her, zero. Another time I stopped to look at the bargain books. A woman who was just walking away turned around and came back as soon as I opened a book and started looking through it. Again, very intense focus from her. But she still never spoke to me.
So it would appear that the right pheromone type - whatever works for each individual - will stimulate whatever desires it stimulates in a woman, but you still have to play the social interaction game and nurse things along, initiate, open doors and lay the groundwork for getting closer to somebody you want to get closer to. The use of pheromones seems to make all your efforts with a woman a hundred times more impactful and effective, but you still have to go through the motions. You still have to play the game. Actually what really seemed to happen is that the women who were interested went on overload. The stuff was TOO effective. They were so affected by it that they became confused and weren\'t sure what to do. They were not used to being in that \"state.\" It was completely new to them. They were not used to being affected this way by ANYBODY.
\"Emotions\" are called what they are because they are what drive people to do anything they do. They \"emote\" you. Emotions are a very tangible, real, and potent energy that drive all life on Earth. Being a tangible energy, they can be measured, if a person knew how to put the right equipment together. If this were not the case then no human being would have any response to them. If they create effects inside each person, they can equally create effects outside. Emotions are an energy form, just like radio waves. This is where I get my information. I really don\'t want to go into a long debate about it; I\'ve had 41 years to figure it out if I were imagining things. All the things I\'ve talked about come from my experience of the people around me. I just happen to be highly \"tuned into\" the emotions of others. I feel intent above all else. \"You make me apprehensive.\" I feel that apprehension. It\'s like taking your coat off in a room and feeling the temperature. You don\'t think, you don\'t analyze, you just feel it\'s too cold or too hot because that\'s what hits whatever sensors you have plugged in. The process works without initiation or effort. This is simply how I experience people. So when I report on people\'s reactions to whatever goop I\'m wearing, this is the source of my info. One of my ex-bosses once told me \"I HATE being read like a book!\" She was trying to act all bubbly and happy and I kept pressing her about what she was so depressed about. She finally broke down and told me. It was a no brainer for me to know she was depressed. I\'m not the only one who can do this. Just about everybody can; people just tune it out and invalidate it. Anyway I thought I would mention that since some might accuse me of imagining others\' reactions to the mones.
So anyway, I\'ll be going back there today and see what happens... more reports as developments occur. :-)
I think that a person\'s general \"type\" - aggressive or passive - determines which type of pheromone is going to work for them. Androstenol - the stuff in Primal - is for the rugged, macho types. This doesn\'t mean you have to be good looking; it just means that this has to be the general way you come across to others. If you\'re more the passive type ... well ... let\'s put it this way - across a 6 month period of going to a local sports bar almost every day (even though I don\'t drink alcohol) I\'ve been told three times by various extremely delicious women working there - without my ever asking - that I have the \"sweet and innocent\" look. Passive. Doesn\'t mean that\'s my personality; but it does mean that this is the impression I give when a person first encounters me. This does not help one to \"get the girl.\"
With this said, I used the Primal stuff four different times. Every time, the result was the same. People got edgy and apprehensive and they avoided me. I tried Pro Edge (a sample that came with the Primal), but that\'s -nol as well so it had the same result. So lastnight I tried the sample packet I got of Scent of Eros. This is a mix of androsterone and androstenol. I think the results I got were from the androsterone in the stuff. I was at the book store in what I consider to be a high-end part of town (Park Meadows near Denver for those who know the area). This is a very large Barnes & Noble with 4 groups of 4 chairs each, spread around the store. I had to walk around the entire store before I found an unoccupied chair. At the time I sat down, there were two VERY delectable college babes sitting down at the same time, and there was a third woman, probably late 40\'s (I\'m 41 and I\'m forever getting people thinking I\'m 30; if I were a woman I\'d love it). At the moment I was sitting down, I made a comment, something like \"you have to circle this whole place 40 times just to find an open chair.\" While I was saying that, the older woman was staring at me, grinning from ear to ear, so focused on moi that she probably forgot where she was. The two college girls were in the same mode, but with lesser intensity. I still had their full attention; that moment completely threw me for a loop, it was like being in the Twilight Zone; like stepping down to the next stair but the stair isn\'t there, your mind freaks and goes numb for a split second. It was like an event; you would have thought I was some kind of major celebrity, gracing these people with my presence. Of course I fell into full conversation with the two college girls. I really can\'t see a lot happening with two girls probably 20 years my junior; obviously some guys would think it their mission in life to get these two into bed, but it doesn\'t work that way. Pheromones can get your foot in the door but they do not engage in mind control. My feeling is, they will make a woman trust you, implicitly, and want to be closer to you. You will have her full attention. But there are other factors at play and these have to be worked with. Environment. Who else is present. Her values. How lonely she is. In the case of these two girls, had I had either one of them alone, the outcome might have been very different, but they were together and whatever one of them said, the other would hear. Remember, I am not the rugged macho type. I have the passive, sweet and innocent look, and maybe they both didn\'t want to look like they were going after me in front of the other one. Neither one spoke to me unless spoken to, but while they talked to each other, they were definitely acting and role playing and making sure they put on the right show. They were quite aware of my presence. They were blocked by the circumstances - each other\'s presence. A good word to use is that they were overwhelmed by the mones. Almost in a trance. Plus, because of the age thing, I wasn\'t extremely interested in them, and this affected what I put out to them (but GAWD they were good looking!!!). Later I went to another group of chairs. One woman sitting across from me was dead to the world. She didn\'t even know I existed. No response from her, zero. Another time I stopped to look at the bargain books. A woman who was just walking away turned around and came back as soon as I opened a book and started looking through it. Again, very intense focus from her. But she still never spoke to me.
So it would appear that the right pheromone type - whatever works for each individual - will stimulate whatever desires it stimulates in a woman, but you still have to play the social interaction game and nurse things along, initiate, open doors and lay the groundwork for getting closer to somebody you want to get closer to. The use of pheromones seems to make all your efforts with a woman a hundred times more impactful and effective, but you still have to go through the motions. You still have to play the game. Actually what really seemed to happen is that the women who were interested went on overload. The stuff was TOO effective. They were so affected by it that they became confused and weren\'t sure what to do. They were not used to being in that \"state.\" It was completely new to them. They were not used to being affected this way by ANYBODY.
\"Emotions\" are called what they are because they are what drive people to do anything they do. They \"emote\" you. Emotions are a very tangible, real, and potent energy that drive all life on Earth. Being a tangible energy, they can be measured, if a person knew how to put the right equipment together. If this were not the case then no human being would have any response to them. If they create effects inside each person, they can equally create effects outside. Emotions are an energy form, just like radio waves. This is where I get my information. I really don\'t want to go into a long debate about it; I\'ve had 41 years to figure it out if I were imagining things. All the things I\'ve talked about come from my experience of the people around me. I just happen to be highly \"tuned into\" the emotions of others. I feel intent above all else. \"You make me apprehensive.\" I feel that apprehension. It\'s like taking your coat off in a room and feeling the temperature. You don\'t think, you don\'t analyze, you just feel it\'s too cold or too hot because that\'s what hits whatever sensors you have plugged in. The process works without initiation or effort. This is simply how I experience people. So when I report on people\'s reactions to whatever goop I\'m wearing, this is the source of my info. One of my ex-bosses once told me \"I HATE being read like a book!\" She was trying to act all bubbly and happy and I kept pressing her about what she was so depressed about. She finally broke down and told me. It was a no brainer for me to know she was depressed. I\'m not the only one who can do this. Just about everybody can; people just tune it out and invalidate it. Anyway I thought I would mention that since some might accuse me of imagining others\' reactions to the mones.
So anyway, I\'ll be going back there today and see what happens... more reports as developments occur. :-)