Home made perfume [Archive] - Love-Scent Pheromones Forum

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10-10-2002, 12:11 PM

(sorry about the cross post, someone told me I should post it in the men section because some expert are there and they may miss this thread if it\'s hidden in the women section, matbe Bruce could move it all here...)

Do we have some members here who are mixing their own perfumes ? I mean not only adding phero to one or two existing colognes but using escential oils, carrier oil or alcohol, musk and everything...

Any input would be appreciated. Escential oils are so expensive that I want to minimise the risk by gathering lots of info before buying all needed components.

I`m personally more interested in oil based perfumes so I made some research and found out that apricot kernel oil would make a perfect base for a perfume. They say it have no smell, it`s very light and can even be used on the face.

Of course I would like to create a phero spiked perfume so I would have to integrate the musky smell of the pheros in the mix.

Does the chem kit provide a neutral base for the pheros ? I mean does it have any smell beside the smell of the pheros ? If not, I guess it would be my best choice for a phero source for this perfume.

Now what escential oils does mix well with the musky phero smell ? (I know there`s some info amongst a thousand threads already but it would be nice to have it all in one \'\'home made perfume\'\' thread).

Last but not least, what about true natural musks ? Is there an online source out there ? (But anyway, maybe it would be useless since I would use phero instead).

MaxiMog

10-10-2002, 12:17 PM

DRSMELLTHIS is an authority when it comes to mixing own perfumes: he definitely knows the dos and do-not-dos when it comes to mixing, and he has lots of experience besides the theoritical knowledge.

Search for \"essential oil(s)\" in the search section here. You\'ll probably find some information there.

Whitehall

10-10-2002, 12:20 PM

I\'ve been looking for natural musk for some time. I\'ve also started a thread some time ago about synthetic musks and the environmental concerns about some of the simplier ones. The older ones are non-biodegradable and have been found in surprisingly high concentrations in drinking water and mother\'s milk. I\'ve found and bumped the thread.

Natural musk deer hunting has been banned due to their endangered species status and the sale of musk has been prohibited by international treaty, signed by the US and all states except Red China and France. China has begun a deer farm system and has been active in developing deer breeding techniques and devising non-lethal harvesting of musk.

Hence to find real animal musk, I\'d look to Hong Kong or maybe Paris but one might have trouble with US Customs. In any case, you wouldn\'t need much. If you went to France and bought perfumes and colognes there you might find real musk as one of the ingredients

MaxiMog

10-10-2002, 12:22 PM

http://www.redgumsoaps.com.au/aromatherapy/blend.htm (\"http://www.redgumsoaps.com.au/aromatherapy/blend.htm\")

This is one I still had in my bookmarks. There are more around here in certain topics!

DrSmellThis

10-10-2002, 10:21 PM

Oscar is correct. I\'m really in a rush, but pmail me. Huge freakin topic.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-11-2002, 12:39 PM

Oscar ?

Well, when you get some time, I think it would be very usefull for some of us if you could give us a basic tutorial on perfume making (using both alcohol and oil based phero product as a base)

abductor

10-11-2002, 01:35 PM

Somebody, indicated that site:
http://www.perfumersworld.com/index.htm (\"http://www.perfumersworld.com/index.htm\")
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DrSmellThis

10-11-2002, 02:42 PM

That course is a pretty serious, difficult, and specific course, involving a significant committment, but they seem reputable. It wouldn\'t be the approach I would take, but it does teach you to recognize and work with all the basic fragraance notes.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-11-2002, 03:27 PM

I move it here, since it\'s related to perfume making...

From DrSmellThis :
\"your mistake is using APC and fake vanilla and azzaro, not the mild AE (old).

Get real essential oils and mix with the old AE. Try sandalwood and benzoin. Get vanilla essential oil too, if you want. It\'s expensive, but worth it. Oshadi makes a good one. Your girlfriend probably won\'t complain then.

Chem st is fine too, but I\'d still recommend the oils too, diluted in grain alcohol 50/50.. \"

So if there\'s alcohol in the mix, it should be kept over at least to 50%alc ?

I just took a look at Oshadhi \'s web site (very slow by the way). I took notes of the price of 11 oils I would like to get and the price tag goes up over 200$ ..

The winner : jasmine 1ml at 23.90$ ! (I know, it\'s very difficult to extract).

Some more exemples:
Sandalwood : 5ml 21.90
Benzoin 10 ml 17.90
Ylang Ylang 10ml 19.50
Vanilla 5ml 23.70
Myrrh 10ml 25.90
Coriander 10ml 9.50
Mandarin 10ml 13$
Frankincense 10ml 25.90
Patchouli 10ml 12.50
Juniper 10ml 35.00

I think we have the reason here why modern perfumers use chimicals instead of the real thing...unless they are making a very high end perfume. But why would I bother to make something less than extraordinary ?!

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10-11-2002, 04:32 PM

Some more questions...

For an oil based perfume, is it better to use a very penetrating carrier oil (jojoba...) or a non penetrating oil (almond) ?

Could someone point me out some reliable online shop for 100% natural high quality E.O. located in Canada or US. ?

I see there\'s many online shop with very different prices...

DrSmellThis

10-11-2002, 04:44 PM

Denatured palm oil is best, next jojoba, according to my info.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-12-2002, 01:35 PM

For what it\'s worth, I agree with the Doc, denatured palm oil, followed by jojoba make the best oil based carriers. I\'d also recommend trying Fractionated Coconut which is said to be more compatible with skin. Sometimes using a light textured, deodorized, non pore clogging, refined and sterilized carrier with an unlimited shelf life and can be very useful for creating perfume blends as well. I purchase all my carriers along with my e-oils here: http://www.naturesgift.com (\"http://www.naturesgift.com\")

Hope that helps a bit.

PS - I heard that using EO\'S in an alcohol base increases the potency and intensity of their scent, the higher the percentage the greater the increase in dispersal and smell. Does anyone know if this is actually true?

EXIT63

10-12-2002, 04:31 PM

This site looks pretty good to me.
Whatta ya think Doc?

DrSmellThis

10-12-2002, 04:45 PM

looks like a nice littele site.

DNPO has all the benefits the coconut does, but doesn\'t absorb into the skin. That is an advantage with perfumery.

EXIT63

10-12-2002, 05:01 PM

Didn\'t see den palm oil on the carriers page of that site.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-14-2002, 04:25 PM

I\'d ordered:

http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/massageoils.htm (\"http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/massageoils.htm\")

**DONOTDELETE**

10-14-2002, 10:07 PM

Essential Oils and Natural Perfumes: http://www.naturesgift.com/natural_perfumes.htm (\"http://www.naturesgift.com/natural_perfumes.htm\")

**DONOTDELETE**

11-07-2002, 06:04 PM

source of VERY rare substances (castoreum, civet...)

http://www.profumoterapia.it/eng/profumoterapia.asp?lang=it (\"http://www.profumoterapia.it/eng/profumoterapia.asp?lang=it\")

oscar

11-07-2002, 06:13 PM

Alchemist,

Nice find!
I checked out that site when you posted it in the \"Jovan Musk 2\" thread.
Real interesting stuff.
What is the conversion rate of Euros to $US?

Oscar /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

11-07-2002, 06:24 PM

It`s about 1 to 1.

Before ordering, people should contact the seller and ask about quantity (how many ml) and concentration of the product (maybe they sell it in diluted form and then we would need to know the % and in which substance it is diluted...). It is not clear on the site. If someone enquire, please share info here.

**DONOTDELETE**

11-08-2002, 09:38 AM

Another site for EOs: http://libertynatural.com/ (\"http://libertynatural.com/\") . I\'ve ordered several oils from them and been happy. It\'s best to call them and confirm pricing, availability, and ordering procedures.

**DONOTDELETE**

11-11-2002, 04:47 PM

Oshadhi was great but soooooo expensive I will now order from other sources. Let me know if you know something about those sources of EO I just ordered from... Of course the only one I\'ll really compare is the sandalwood since I already have the one from Oshadhi. I\'ll let you know.

RedSafari.com (sandalwood mysore)

Essential-oil.com (ylang ylang extra Madagascar, jasmine sambac super India, juniper berry Himalayan wild crafted, Vetiver super wild crafted India)

Herbspicetea.com (cedarwood juniperus virginiana, cinnamon, frankincense, myrrh extract)

DrSmellThis

11-11-2002, 07:16 PM

I get quite a few oils from Liberty, as above.

**DONOTDELETE**

11-12-2002, 02:25 PM

note : I made a mistake in my previous post. I was reffering to Essential-oil.ORG not .com ...

**DONOTDELETE**

11-12-2002, 03:02 PM

Sandalwood oil, rose otto and jasmine sambac absolute from Ashburys will also be sampled.

That will makes 5 sources of EO, including sandalwood from 3 sources and jasmine from 2 sources. With that I should have a good idea... My credit card shoulds also have a good idea... Damn I better blend a nice perfume for my girlfriend before she find out about the expenses...

**DONOTDELETE**

11-20-2002, 07:08 AM

Sandalwood oil, rose otto and jasmine sambac absolute from Ashburys.com ...

The rose is AMAZING! It is so concentrated that you don\'t even need to open the bottle to smell it (same thing for the jasmine but to a lesser extend). In fact when you open the bottle, you have to smell only the empty cap from about 6 inch, otherwise it\'s so strong it will give an automatic headache (must be diluted several times).

I am less impressed with the jasmine absolute but I will have to prepare a dilution before judging. I have no fear about the rose otto, it is really amazing. I will have to contact them because I\'m not sure if the rose otto bottle is an absolute extracted from the concrete or if it is a steam distilled oil (both method are possible, giving different results but I have nothing to compare against. The absolute should be closer to the original flower).

The sandalwood is far less interesting than the Oshadhi sandalwood. The Oshadhi sandalwood is mystic, magic, amazing (and 3 times more expensive...). This one is just ok, more woody, closer to cedar.

An amazing and dangerous perfume of rose spiked with \'nol and copulin will be made soon for the girlfriend... If you have any suggestion of other oils I could blend with the rose to make it more complexe, sexy and amazing, tell me.

**DONOTDELETE**

11-20-2002, 07:13 AM

You\'re being so creative! It\'s great fun to read.

I\'m no expert, but ... do you have any cinnamon oil? Whisper \"cinnamon\" over the rose and see what happens. Also sandalwood gives the rose a nice bottom note.

**DONOTDELETE**

11-20-2002, 07:20 AM

What is this with women and cinnamon ? You\'r the third women, including my girlfriend suggesting me to use cinnamon in my aphrodisiac perfumes !

Ok, ok...I guess I\'ll get a bottle of it soon ;-)

**DONOTDELETE**

11-20-2002, 09:18 AM

There was a study somewhere that said it was aphrodesiacal for men, that\'s why! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

cuddlebear

11-20-2002, 09:59 AM

I have gotten good results with cinnamon essential oils as well .. but it irritates my skin ... Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

11-20-2002, 01:10 PM

It irritates your skin when used pure or diluted ? Most EOs should not be used pure...

cuddlebear

11-20-2002, 01:14 PM

Even diluted, it causes irritation and redness ... pity because it works really well. women wuv it ... huh huh huh ...Elmer Fudd ... Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif p.s. other EOs diluted no problem ...

cuddlebear

11-20-2002, 01:16 PM

Hey I\'m a full member ... WOO HOOOO ... What\'s the next step Phero Apprentice? /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

11-21-2002, 05:23 AM

Ok I did some experimentations and found out the hard way that it is better to dilute most EO to 10% before blending a test batch or else it can get expensive... Especially the floral ones.

For exemple : jasmin sambac absolute... I found out that it should be used <1% or else it\'s too strong. One single drop in a bottle change it all. Problem is I added 5 drops... Which mean I would have to add at least 1000 drops of everything else to make it nice, not very useful when you just want to make a test batch... not fun at all when you already have the pheros in there...

Same thing applies to many oils (ylang ylang, rose, vetiver, cinnamon...)

For now I declare this experiment a waste, hopefully I was making a test with all the SOE gel pack and the Edge sample I got for free, I just wasted some \'rone from my chem kit. Damn, only 1/2 drop of jasmine would have been ok and I put 5 + other things...

cuddlebear

11-21-2002, 05:31 AM

Wow, jasmine city! Sorry to hear it dude .. just know that all of us from time to time have wasted phero product on unsuccessful experiments. Just happens. I may try again at some point with diluted cinnamon EO. Later Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

cuddlebear

11-21-2002, 05:43 AM

Oh, and not only have I made that mistake before but I\'ve also made the mistake of actually WEARING failed mixes because I was too, uh, proud to waste pheros! Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Lucky

11-21-2002, 06:21 AM

The cinnamon sounds good to me, too. Have you ever made candles with your concoctions? What would happen if candles were made with Pheromones in the scent?

cuddlebear

11-21-2002, 06:24 AM

As long as the mones could withstand the high temperatures, it would probably be very effective ... Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

11-21-2002, 06:29 AM

They recommend not to heat it over 55C ...but I\'m not sure if it\'s for the mone or if it\'s to prevent the ethanol base from evaporating.

MaxiMog

11-21-2002, 08:29 AM

I\'m not sure how good cinnamon is to attract women, but if you use cinnamon oil on your skin, you\'ll have to dilute it to <1%.

cuddlebear

11-21-2002, 09:06 AM

Hi Maxi, I\'ve had great results with cinnamon plus NOL but it seems that I cannot avoid getting the redness and irritation on my skin so I had to stop using it. A shame cuz it was working. Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif p.s. all this talk about it makes me wanna try again ...

**DONOTDELETE**

11-21-2002, 10:16 AM

Be also aware that there\'s two kind of cinnamon.

The expensive one, the \"true\" cinnamon (Cinnarmomum zeylanicum) have a more complex smell.

The cinnamon bark (Cinnamomum cassia) or false cinnamon is less expensive and have the typical cinnamon smell we\'r all used to. That\'s the most common one because of the lower price (about 1/2 the price) but it may not be the most interesting one for perfume making. That\'s the one I have right now but I\'ll brobably end up buying the other one soon.

cuddlebear

11-21-2002, 10:19 AM

I had forgotten about that. I don\'t know if the true cinnamon would be any less irritating but perhaps it would be worth a try. I tried to order some before but something messed up and I never got it. Now that you bring it up, I think I will pursue the true cinnamon again ... Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

MaxiMog

11-21-2002, 12:00 PM

One of them is less irritating, but that doesn\'t mean you should put it on your skin without proper dilution i.e. < 1%. It sucks, but that\'s just the way it is. They both are skin irritants...

cuddlebear

11-21-2002, 12:03 PM

Well not surprising really. After all cinnamon is cinnamon. I will proceed with caution. And thanks for all your info. You in particular have answered many of my questions and it is appreciated. Cuddles /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Whitehall

11-21-2002, 12:19 PM

If cinnamons are irritating to the skin, apply them to your hair.

**DONOTDELETE**

11-21-2002, 12:21 PM

Or sprinkle them in your bath water.

cuddlebear

11-21-2002, 12:22 PM

Both ideas intriguing ... do you like cinnamon as a male smell FTR?

**DONOTDELETE**

11-21-2002, 12:33 PM

Very much.

cuddlebear

11-21-2002, 12:35 PM

OK gotta get some cinnamon again /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif It did work well for me in the past, but I only stopped using because of the redness of the skin. In my hair or diluted in bath water surely should work ... Cuddles

**DONOTDELETE**

11-21-2002, 12:40 PM

Look on the internet for cinnamon lotions or bath gels. I had some once but I can\'t remember now who made it. You could spike them with extra cinnamon and/or -nol.

**DONOTDELETE**

11-26-2002, 07:28 PM

Here\'s a perfume recipe I\'ve made using Cinnamon. Has a sweet fruity scent. Very delicious.

Using a 4 dram vial (1/2 oz):

Drops EO/PO
36 Pear
12 Peach
6 Cinnamon
9 Nutmeg
24 Vanilla
9 Glycerin
45 Distilled Water
Fill remaining to 4 drams (1/2 oz) with 95% Alcohol (190 proof)

You can substitute Johoba for the Alcohol if you want it oil-based instead (and leave out the Water and Glycerin).

**DONOTDELETE**

11-27-2002, 03:40 PM

Pear and peach ? you must be talking about fragrance oils, not 100% natural EOs...

By the way if someone knows where I could get some true 100% natural raspberry essential oil (from the berries, not just from the leaf), let me know. So far I only found some fragrance (fake) oils but that\'s not what I\'m looking for.

**DONOTDELETE**

11-28-2002, 08:00 AM

Yes, the Pear and Peach are fragrance or perfume oils, not essential oils. I use fragrance oils when I can\'t find or afford the natural essential oils. I\'ve used Raspberry, but it is a fragrance oil also.

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11-29-2002, 05:30 AM

Today\'s perfume :

\"A variation on the traditional Indian Attar of jasmine\"

12 drops sandalwood Mysore
5 drops jasmin sambac 10%
1 drops ylang ylang extra 10%
1 drop Juniper (berries&leaves) 20%
3 nol
2 rone
1 none

Notes: mones are from the chem set and \"%\" means I\'m using a dilution in alcohol. Mones concentration is about 0.24mg/ml.

It is a very simple perfume opening with a juniper note that adds complexity to the woody santal. It is very strong on jasmine (2%) but the ylang is there to complexify the otherwise unidimentional jasmine note.

I wear 5 drops (on arms, neck and chest). I applied this half an hour ago, I\'ll see how it goes over this last day at work (I\'m moving out to other projects...). Honestly It is a bit too strong in the morning but I\'ll try it next time I go out at night.

My goal ? Not sexual at all. I want some people to remember me as a strong, reliable, grounded but cool leader.

Sandalwood provide the \"grounded, down to earth, peaceful and meditative\" effect. True (non synthetic) jasmine sambac absolute provide the \"will remember me effect\" as it is a very special heady and rich smell that most people are not used to. There\'s some Indian people around here, I wonder is some of those will recognise this traditional smell. Unfortunately I don\'t work directly with any of those so I\'m in no position to ask them about it.

Ok...let\'s do some scouting !

edit: I use dilution of some EOs in alcohol to be able to blend smaller batchs but I suspect it would be a bit different if I was keeping the same EOs proportion, making a bigger batch without using dillutions.

CptKipling

11-29-2002, 07:44 AM

Sounds quite nice Alchemist, does it smell good?

**DONOTDELETE**

11-29-2002, 08:55 AM

Of course it does but I will have to wait for at least a week or two before knowing how it smell on the long run (I mixed a tiny batch of this this morning so chances are it will be different in a week as perfumes needs some time to settle).

Maybe I could add another drop of juniper and a drop or two of Benzoin or some other fixative. It is not perfect yet but it\'s a good starting point.

So far the effect seems a bit intimidating, maybe it would be better to use one extra drop of \'nol.

muskamber

09-29-2005, 01:04 PM

Im in the process of making a

Mukhallat, which means mixture, at the moment. Im using Sandal wood as the base. sandal Wood is used as a base in

many Attars because it takes on the scent of the ingrediant added 2 it. Im also using an old Amber that is over 10

years old, Cambodi Grade 2 oud and Bulgari rose. Its not a quick process and can be months in the making just 2 get

it right.