How to read a womans body language [Archive] - Love-Scent Pheromones Forum

**DONOTDELETE**

09-30-2002, 11:36 PM

The first thing to be aware of regarding body language is eye contact. It\'s true that exposing her underarms is a positive sign, but only if she\'s doing it while aware of your presence, like, making eye contact, or she just made eye contact, looks away, and the raises her arms to do something to her hair while she knows you\'re looking at her. Ditto the foot thing. Otherwise, I don\'t think fooling with hair means anything -- I do it all the time, and mostly it means, dammit, I\'d give anything for an elastic, my hair\'s driving me nuts falling in my face, or it\'s too hot on the back of my neck so I keep picking it up and letting it fall back down again because I don\'t have anything to pin it up with on me...running her fingers through her hair is often a closure gesture, like, ok, now that\'s settled, and you finger comb your hair as if to symbolically put things into place. Some women do hair getures as nervous tics, like putting your hair behind your ears over and over again...I twirl my hair in my fingers when I\'m thinking sometimes ... Up dos of any kind (ponytail, french twist, etc) become uncomfortable after long and you have to take them down, scratch your head, and shake your hair out to give your scalp relief -- so if she does things with her hair when she knows you\'re looking, that\'s meaningful. If not, it probably means one of the above. I often slip my foot in and out of a shoe, especially, like, standing in line, and all that means is that my feet hurt and I\'m cursing the man who invented heels or I\'m wishing the flats I have on had more cushion in the sole...letting it dangle from your toes could just mean you\'re getting a blister on your heel...in the absence of eye contact, those things just indicate some degree of unselfconsciousness, such that if she saw you looking at her at that moment, she might suddenly become self-conscious and stop fidgeting. If she meant it and saw you looking, she might do it again or elaborate on the first gesture. So I think it depends on the degree of eye contact. Touching I would say means something more than just friendly - I think touching means wanting to be touched back.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 12:05 AM

Touching is an interesting subject. On many different occasions, someone I\'m having a conversation with will touch me on the forearm to agree with me on a point for example. Or if there is no desk between us, she\'ll lightly touch me on the knee to agree with something I said. But I also know that most of these women are merely being friendly. Some already have boyfriends, and others show no interest whatsoever outside of a casual touch.

Compare a touch on the arm to a woman rubbing her leg against yours. That is like night and day. Or a woman showing other obvious signs of interest (like \"ohh, let me feel that bicep of yours\" lol). Those are too obvious.

So an otherwise \"casual\" touch on the arm really means something more?

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 04:39 AM

Well. Maybe not. Maybe I\'m just in a very uptight environment. If I touched someone at work, it would definitely mean something. But I would think it\'s an indication of at least being very fond of you.

Irish

10-01-2002, 06:07 AM

Touching is fascinating - very dependent on your culture. Americans are pretty stand-offish and like their three feet of personal space, so a touch here tends to be fairly significant most times, especially someone you don\'t know very well. Of course there are some tactile people that always are touching casually as part of their persona, but I think that\'s a small minority in my area anyway. You can spot them though cause they will be touchy with about everyone, not just you...

A male/female embrace among casual acquaintances, as greeting and goodbye, has become common in my lifetime, often substituting for the polite handshake I was taught as a boy.

When in Europe I see a lot more touching, kiss-greetings for both sexes, and much less regard for personal space - so a touch there means less to me than when a girl touches me here back home. Hell, if a guy pecks me on the cheek in France as a hello I think nothing of it - if a guy tries that on me here I\'m reaching for my sidearm! These things are culturally defined and have meaning only in the local context.

As a man in America I have to be careful about touching a woman, or at least in my mind I do. Which is a shame really because I\'m affectionate by nature and enjoy non-sexual touching with women in my daily life. . But like a good PC boy I wait for the woman to touch first in conversation or flirting (like on the arm or shoulder) before I begin to reciprocate.

I\'m not always good at reading the exact meaning of a touch, but here in America if a woman touches me I know she at least is enjoying my company - and maybe more.

I\'m certain that if she found me repulsive she wouldn\'t be touching me at all.

CptKipling

10-01-2002, 06:14 AM

Was talking to an old girlfriend (last year sometime), recently, I\'m not interested but it was good to talk to her. Somehow the conversation wandered onto strange subjects, and I found out that this guy had declaired his undying love for her when we were going out. I laughed of course, because the way she told it, it was completely random. Actualy not completely, let me fill in some details, skip this para if your not bothered.

I did know this guy, not a friend, not even a friend of a friend, but I played football with him before. Him and my girlfriend met at a party I invited her to. His mates and her mates started to spend time together, and she sometimes tagged along. One day we basically broke up (huge argument) and they all got drunk ( Uber-drunk, apparently) and they made out a bit. Now take my word for it that this guy is nothing to write home about, not in the slightest /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif. Well we patched it up and got back together, but then broke up a few weeks later. Not long after we broke up, she went to a gig with loads of her mates and him and loads of his mates (not that he is the alpha of the group or anything). And thats the background....

The reason I\'m bringing this up is that she seemed completly unaware that she was giving him the wrong idea. It turns out she was leaning on him that night (like resting her head or something). Well then he leans over and tells her he loves her. I still find this funny, but it hit me that he had been trying to get this girl even when I was with her.

This is my question: Could she realistically have not realised that she was giving him signs that she might be interested. One more item of interest, a few weeks after we broke up, she let me read the messages on her phone. Loads from me, and one from this guy that she had kept. It was from a time when me and her had a big argument, and he was there and was comforting her. The message was all innocent, untill it ended saying \"...thinking of you\". Right.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 07:06 AM

The first thought I had on reading your post was, \"See what happens if you take someone for granted!\" -- there\'s always someone else ready to swoop down and take your place ... usually a couple of other people, actually.

I think she may have been using him to boost her ego while you two were having problems, with some awareness that he found her attractive, but not really with full consciousness that anything would come of it.

The other possibility is that she\'s lying through her teeth (re being innocent) and she\'s telling you all this to make you jealous.

DrSmellThis

10-01-2002, 11:48 AM

I\'m suprised jvk hasn\'t pickes this one up.

All those behaviors are mating signals, with good evolutionary reason; in part because they are all gestures that spread pheromones into the air. Think about it.

DrSmellThis

10-01-2002, 11:48 AM

I\'m suprised jvk hasn\'t picked this one up.

All those behaviors are mating signals, with good evolutionary reason; in part because they are all gestures that spread pheromones into the air. Think about it.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 11:50 AM

So you\'re of the opinion that anytime a woman touches her hair or bares her foot, she\'s coming on to you?

Irish

10-01-2002, 12:46 PM

FT - I think you said it best above. Whether these movements are unconscious come-ons or something else (tics, idle habits, sore feet, hot neck) depends on context and eye contact. IMO there will usually be definite eye contact mixed in with the cues if it\'s a legit come-on.

These unconscious cues like we\'ve mentioned (also including mirroring; sweaty palms and other autonomic effects) have one thing in common: they are generated unconsciously, not by an act of conscious will. If you\'re dangling your shoe because your foot hurts, it means nothing more than that. If you\'re sitting near an attracive man and happen to look down and notice you\'ve been angling your bare foot toward him, then that sounds like an unconscious cue.

Lots of studies about physical cues from both sexes in the presence of an attractive potential mate. But that doesn\'t mean everyone making those motions at any time is signalling sex.

CptKipling

10-01-2002, 01:19 PM

As I read it back through, yes I can see exactly why it seems that way. It even may be, but that would be her mistake in the way she read me, or maybe mine in the way I acted.

What really got me was the fact that me was that me and this guy had a relationship that was the good side of cordial. Mates just don\'t do that to mates, I\'m sure it\'s a written rule somewhere.
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I think she may have been using him to boost her ego while you two were having problems, with some awareness that he found her attractive, but not really with full consciousness that anything would come of it.

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This is probably very true. He is probably a 5.5 (really!), so it was a pretty cheap pick me up. Another possibility is that she wanted me to react to him. The first time they did stuff, ok we were basically broken up, and she was saying that she was splitting with me up so it didn\'t matter (on the night). Before that she was probably enjoying his attention, liking the fact that there was someone else (even if its a step down, Watcher, goes against our theories). The thing is, I come across as a bit of a hard bastard ( /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif ), but I dont really act it much, I dont give people a hard time etc.. So the way I seem goes against the way I act sometimes. When we got back together I said it would be hard to stop myself from hurting this other guy. She might have been staying in contact with him as a test for me, \'cos I told her I wasnt comfortable with her seeing him again, but according to her because it meant nothing it was ok, they were just friends now. Hurumph. Well I didn\'t hurt him in the end. Probably targeting my jealousy, backfired if that was it.

upsidedown

10-01-2002, 01:33 PM

Well, I sure hope the touching on the arm is a good sign, as I\'ve been getting a lot of that lately with the phreromones on. Just last week, I went into a restaurant and got a waitress who had waited on me once before, about 2 months ago. I have seen her in there a couple of times since then, and she would always wave to me from a distance, but never approached my table. However, last week I got seated with her again finally. When she saw me in her section, she came over all smiles and said \"I finally get you again!\" and proceeded to gently place her hands on my forearm which was laid out on the table in fromt of me, and she proceeded to briefly rub my arm and kind of grab my hand gently and briefly before letting go.. The rest of the night, she proceeded to find some way to touch me somewhere on my arm almost every time she came to my table and was in a position to do so. These weren\'t the touches like guys patting each other on the back, but more tender-like. At other times, when she didn\'t touch me, she sort of behaved as if she was about to but kind of came short of doing so.. I found this fascinating from a waitress who I had only met once before and really didn\'t know. BTW, there was a lot of flirting from her going along with the touching, and at the end she told me to start asking for her section when I come in.

Now, this goes to the question of what does this mean and how do you interpret it? I should probably think of the circumstances. This waitress is extremely attractive, and I realize this may just be her way of getting better tips from guys.. But, then agian I didn\'t see her behaving this way to her other customers, and she has always smiled at me and waved at the times she saw me prior to this when I wasn\'t sitting anywhere near her section and she had nothing to gain in the way of tips....so at least she\'s worth getting to know a little better. Maybe after a few more times of being around her I\'ll be able to determine if her touching is a ploy for better tips, or if my pheromones are maybe helping me out here and getting my foot in the door with her.

I personally think it was the pheromones...becaause a few nights later, at the same restaurant, I was eating and had a waiter. Some waitress I had never seen before brought out my food (she wasn\'t my waitress, but brought my food anyway for some reason) and after giving me my food, she proceeded to sit down at the seat across from me and said \"what\'s your name?\" I told her and she introduced herself to me. She just said that she had seen me in there a few times and wanted to meet me. When she got up to leave, she also placed her hand on my back and kind of rubbed me as she was walking away. So, another example of touching to be taken into context with the behavior.

So, I think my pheromones are working....as this second waitess had nothing to gain from introducing herself....unliess she\'s just setting herself up for me in case she ever does wait on me. But I doubt this. She\'s be a pretty shrewd waitress to go around setting up evrery potential customer like this. And, anyway, I\'m not really a great tipper....just tip the normal amount for the most part. And, since I\'m eating by myself, they could get a bigger tip by having a group of two or more than me by myself..

Anyway, I was meaning this as a post on the touching thing in context, didn\'t mean to turn it into a hit report. But, for those that are interested in what I was wearing (as I can anticipate people asking) I had on 3 drops of a mixture of AE(new scent):NPA:A1 @ 5:1:1. I also had on maybe an additional drop of A1 somewhere ( I forget where I put it...maybe the back of my neck.) I really think the A1 is helping in this. I\'ve been seeing a lot more touching from women since I\'ve started using A1, and think it does tend to remove bariers, and makes women feel like they know me more closely than they really do, as many on here have speculated.

Watcher

10-01-2002, 02:44 PM

When combined with other body signals, distance she puts between the two of you, is she waiting stupidly for you to say something not able to make the first move and at least ask for a cig, the time,a direction. Just spaced out DIHL being passive waiting for the guy to do the Testostrone thing and make the move.
Im hearing that natural blondes could be extinct in 20 years according to the world health organisation.
Does she listen to what you have to say, is she bearing her genetials ie butt presentation bending over, rocking back and forward, leaning into you and there are many others is she looking down and to the left, that can be a signal of interst.

At first contact do they maintain eye contact for longer than 3 seconds and so on and so on.

xxxPantero

10-01-2002, 02:53 PM

i remember one girl who would make no eye contact and would be not listening to whatever i said, but she would present her genitals to me. like sometimes she would wrap her thighs around my face and put a hand on my head. sometimes she would pull down my pants and put my penis inside of her. never could tell if she was interested, though. she would never flip her hair or make eye contact. i think she was just naturally a flirt. oh well, she MIGHT have been interested, but i\'ll never know!!

Watcher

10-01-2002, 02:57 PM

Lol she was having sex with you so she must have been interested lol. Im just talking about inital flirting lol not later on if shes having sex with u well then of course she must be a little bit interested lol.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 02:58 PM

\"Make him/her jealous\" is a double-edged sword and I don\'t play that game at all anymore and don\'t advise it.I\'m selling my sisters out again, but here\'s the truth: mostly we keep somebody on the back burner. Could be nothing but the fact that we keep a personal ad still running. Or maybe it\'s an old boyfriend we haven\'t slept with in ages but who we know would come over in a heartbeat if we crooked a finger, or a \"friend\" who we have never done anything with, but we know good and well he\'s dying for the opportunity. He\'s not Mr. Right, but he\'s for damn sure Mr. Right Now if her feelings get hurt and you\'re acting dickish and she\'s tired of it.This thing of how women don\'t \"trade down\" -- our standards are different from yours. We\'re not SO into looks are you all are, so if he\'s not as good looking, that\'s not necessarily an issue. Most of us work, so we can pay our own bills, so if he makes a little less money than you do, who really cares? it\'s not an issue -- so, often what it comes down to is, who makes me feel good and acts happy to be with me vs. who gives me grief and takes me for granted? and you find you\'ve lost out to a guy you didn\'t even know existed, half a foot shorter than you, not as good looking, etc. etc., and then you wonder why. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif He\'s been there all along, waiting for his chance, for you to f*ck up that one good last time and her to throw in the towel, so he can come over and make it alllll better.P.S. Capt. Kipling - when it comes to your squeeze, the best friends is no friends, I learned that the hard way too, and it\'s a rite of passage a lot of us have been through. 99% of the thing is proximity. Who\'s going to be closest to your girl? Your buddy who you\'ve trusted alone with her, who tags along on your dates, who\'s at your place all the time, hanging out, when she comes over. This sounds really cynical, but I swear to you, who\'s likely to stab you straight between the shoulder blades is your buddy and your girl. A hard dick has no conscience (a wet crotch, neither). /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Watcher

10-01-2002, 03:03 PM

Ok we should seperate that theroy FTR

9 and 10 women (the attractive ones - \"mostly\" bitches
- They trade up based upon looks, social status of the male or money or influence. They dont care about the guy being nice to them becuase they have a short time to get ahead and bleed all those men dry and keep trading up

8s and down in looks department.
90% of women here mostly non-alpha dominant category (nice women the ones that arent bitches in other words)

-Will go with the guy who gives them exctitment and is also there on an emotional level, however sometimes if they find someone more exciting they may jump ship for a one night stand or to put some excitement back into the existing relationship so they sleep with someone else to get rid of that bored feeling, they are happy and go back to mr boring.

And the relationship continues with my boring being none the wiser.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 03:05 PM

Watcher, all the love in the world to you, but I\'m not even gonna try to talk to you about women, so think what you want to, \'cause you\'re going to anyway.

Watcher

10-01-2002, 03:06 PM

I know women but i sprout [censored] to encourage forum particpation. Thats all.

cuddlebear

10-01-2002, 03:06 PM

Wow! Make her feel good and make her feel you\'re happy to be with her. Probably wouldn\'t need any mones then. Whatta concept! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif cuddles

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 03:12 PM

What whe have her is the classical difference betwene the sexes.
Given that the female right and left brain halves are 10% better connected to eachother than the male brain-halves women are much better at social behavior(the woman will think that she is letting the guy know that she wants him.... the guy on the other half is completely in the dark) on the other hand guys are generaly better at tecnical stuf because their brain-.halves are mor separated and this more used to opperate independantly of each other.

Of course there are exeptions to this with both genders.
There are down sides to, witnguys its the \"lack of emotion\" thing and the lack of \"social grace\" (an all the problems this entails) with women it is the lack of analythical ability and aplication of this to emotions(women are more prone to soscial pressure(eating dissorders are predominantly a fe,male problem and in the west there are more female smokers than male ones)

As far as body language is concerrned I am sure everyone here has read this but I am including a link anyway.

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/02_How_to_Get_Started/bodylanguage.shtml (\"http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/02_How_to_Get_Started/bodylanguage.shtml\")

Satan

proteus

10-01-2002, 05:37 PM

I\'ve given up trying to read \"signs\" of interest from women - it\'s useful to a degree but women can consciously do stuff to get your attention then act all innocent when you act on those signals. Case in point one of my serious cocktease female \"friends\" - we hangout (cpl of years ago when I was in college), go to the movies, while sitting inside waiting for movie to begin we are chatting, topic of tattoos come up, she says she has one -I ask where, she unzips her jeans, pulls them down a little, pulls aside her panties and shows me her tattoo right next to her you know what - I\'m figuring if she\'s comfortable enough to do that she must really be interested in me, I make a move on her she says she just wants to be friends, whatever gave me the idea that she wanted more than just friends??? Since then I ignore all these things as women can be really strange with some of the things they do :-)

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 07:01 PM

I went to a movie a while back with this girl. I was tired and I laid my head down on the arm rest to sleep. Well she started rubbing my head. And she saw that after the movie I was trying to hide something. So the next day in class she was talking to me,then she brought that up. I told her it turned me on. Well that was back in March. And now we go to the movies every other week. She rubbes my head, knowing what it does to me. I tried asking her out and she said I wasn\'t her type. Now either rubbing my head was a sign or she just likes getting guys happy. I don\'t know and would really like it if someone can tell me what to do. Cause she still does it. Also a while back, we got lost in Dallas, TX. Well when we got out of the car, we walked up to a store and asked for directions. She was holding my hand, and this wasn\'t just once. We asked for directions about 4-5 times. At first I thought she was scared, but if she kept doing it, it doesn\'t mean she was scared does it? Also she is always talking to me about how she wants to have sex with me, then 2-4 seconds after saying something like that she\'ll say,\"I just kidding.\" And with this look in her eyes like she just feel in love with me or something( you know where they just look striaght into your eyes and don\'t want to blink so that they don\'t miss even 1/2 a second of you). Or if she does blink she will close her eyes real slow and then open them real slow. I know what your thinking I really suck at body language. I havn\'t really been with a female since about November of 2001. Well if anyone can give me some advice, PLEASE DO! Thanks

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 07:29 PM

Dude, try initiatin a bit og kino youself instead of lettin her do it, if she doesnt pull away... gradualy increase the kino unthill a \"tender\" moment when it feels right to go for a soft kiss(moving in slowly while looking into her eyes......

To me it sounds like she has fwewlings for you but are a liitle unsure of exactly what they are/mean to her and she is testing you with her comments trying to make you act......If you don´t push hard or rush her this could probably turn into something more.......

Satan

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 07:51 PM

This is a little off topic, but oh well, I\'ll bring it up anyways. Here are some observations I\'ve found about the \"9\'s and 10\'s\", \"7\'s and 8\'s\" and those under 7. Again, these are broad generalizations.

For the \"9\'s and 10\'s\" of this world, I agree, being nice doesn\'t cut it. You need to turn on the cocky and funny routine. Whatever you do, don\'t compliment her on her looks. Even if she makes Cindy Crawford look like a 5. I think you\'ve got to be different around these kinds of women because they are so use to guys worshipping them and saying how hot they are all the time, etc.

\"7\'s and 8\'s\"-Their confidence in their looks can actually be quite unstable. Teasing and making fun of them can backfire, depending on their insecurities. Again, I\'d agree they generally are looking for that emotional connection like most women are, but they like the danger and excitment part sometimes as well.

\"6\'s\"-I find alot of women who can be really cute, but not the Playboy centerfold type fall in this category. You can be nice, charming, confident but not overly arrogant around them. I like their down to earth qualities.

Above all, who are we kidding, you could have the hottest woman in the world, but if her personality is horrible, it suddenly makes her not very hot. Vice versa for the 6\'s.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 08:09 PM

mroray:

She knows you interested in her and she is playing on that, you need to stop being a nice guy and introduce the jealousy tactic by hanging around other girls. By seeing other girls your puting doubts into her head and she will begin thinking \'hang on, I may lose this guy to another girl!\', if she is interested in you she will fight for you.

You are not her toy, so don\'t let yourself be treated like one.

Watcher

10-01-2002, 08:48 PM

Youre being used as \"flirt post or flirt guy\" it boosts her ego, gives her practice while shes single but youll be ignored if someone better comes along. You aint her type except as a friend, youve been put into a box as friend and it is near impossible to break out.
Start hanging around other girls and leave her as a friend. Or just playing sucker and try to pursue it for the next 10 years.

CptKipling

10-02-2002, 06:12 AM

Yeah that all makes sense.

But this guy is truely a freak. Just take my word for it, borderline offensive to look at. But then he is the classic all-too-nice-guy-loser-help-me-im-despirate-please-accept-me-type. He was a good friend to both of us when we had this one problem (not really anyones fault, we were both under the influence of alcohol, together, things got dicy). This was a while after they had their fling (well a once off snog). I\'m pretty sure now that SHE never intended to take it further, but just to have me worried, \"see there is someone else, keep acting nice\". This was around the time of an attitude transition, when we first went out I was the classic nice guy, verging on the all-too-nice type. But then I got tired of it and stopped taking her [censored], not acting a dick, but standing my ground.

This is brilliant:
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often what it comes down to is, who makes me feel good and acts happy to be with me vs. who gives me grief and takes me for granted? and you find you\'ve lost out to a guy you didn\'t even know existed, half a foot shorter than you, not as good looking, etc. etc., and then you wonder why.

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This is essentially what happened, but I believe her when she says that she doesnt really want anything from this guy, afterwards I had her on the phone crying for me to take her back, I think I even took the piss out of her a bit for doing that with him, but I was so angry I could have killed him the day she told me. The next time I saw him I warned everyone to keep him away from me, he kept appologising and he bought me beer and stuff. Then me and my SO had our drunken incident, and he was being quality, comforting her and talking to me and stuff. But it really is a kick in the teath that he sent her SMS\'s basically telling her how interested he was in her \"...thinking of you...\" OMG.

She isnt amazingly beautifull herself, maybe a 7. I was with her because of her personality, but towards the end I could see lots of immaturity. She was REALLY influenced by her friends, despite her trying to come off as slightly alpha, easy to see through. I can remember this one time, all getting drunk, it was me and her and one of her mates and one of my matse separate from everyone else making out some. She kept looking over to see what her mate was doing, and then copying it. I even called her on this type of thing once, she seems to be influence hugely by her friends, and this isnt very atractive (it was at my expence mostly). Of course she said no, wasnt a good judgment call on my behalf /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif.
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He\'s not Mr. Right, but he\'s for damn sure Mr. Right Now if her feelings get hurt and you\'re acting dickish and she\'s tired of it.This thing of how women don\'t \"trade down\" -- our standards are different from yours. We\'re not SO into looks are you all are, so if he\'s not as good looking, that\'s not necessarily an issue

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Yep! But the whole thing is slightly crazy, after the first incident she knew I wasnt happy with his presence, I threatened to go and sort him out. But apparantly she still stayed in touch, \"just as a friend\" is what she was saying, but in her mind maybe \"someone I know I can dominate, he will come when I call, he will keep my b/f on his toes, besides, he maybe a bit of a freak, but he is always so nice to me, will do anything for me etc.\" When I said freak, i didn\'t mean in looks, I meant in personality, he \"tried\" to get with another one of her friends, they all though he was strange. In fact, we all joked about it, they wanted my advice on how to get rid of him, I said don\'t be harsh, but dont let it carry on \'cos thats worse. But guess what happened, she kept stringing him on, she also had a b/f. She obviously got some kick out of having him doting, I feel sorry for him for this. Oh and yes, apparantly he is a terrible kisser, she might even have been his first kiss /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 08:23 AM

CaptKipling - http://personals.nerve.com/personals/emlo/09_26_02/ (\"http://personals.nerve.com/personals/emlo/09_26_02/\")

CptKipling

10-02-2002, 11:13 AM

Hmmm... nearly, \'cept we had an argument earlier the earlier in the day when she made out with him. Interesting article though.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 12:23 PM

She has seen me with other girls. I\'ve seen her standing around the corner while I talk too or hug other girls. She stands there watching me watching her, while I hug or talk to girls. Today she was rubbing my head and then went to rubbing my leg. So I asked her how would it make her fill if I teased her( while I was rubbing her iner thi). She said it doesn\'t bother her. So I kept doing it, and she just stared at me with those eyes again.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 12:29 PM

Out of everything anyone has ever told me about this girl, you just made the most sense. Thank you very much.

krtel

10-02-2002, 04:23 PM

Hell, I don\'t even bother with the 9\'s and 10\'s. Sometimes 8\'s, but I mostly stick to the 7\'s and 6\'s. The hotter they are, the more horrid their personality is.

- Krish

cuddlebear

10-02-2002, 04:33 PM

Yeah, and sometimes you will run into someone you think is a 6, only to find out when you know them better that they have some knockout feature (like a cute navel or a tongue from heaven) and then she\'s an 11. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 04:49 PM

Do you guys also find this true -that it\'s a real pain to be with someone who\'s gorgeous because your friends fall all over them panting and they turn heads whereever they go, so it\'s like, even without meaning to at all, they\'re constantly flirting with other people when you\'re out with them because people are constantly flirting with them? It\'s never ceased to amaze me how forward women are about this - they will flirt with your guy IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE if he\'s really desirable. Are men like that when you\'re with a beautiful woman? ... I can\'t take it, I admit it.

cuddlebear

10-02-2002, 04:52 PM

YES! All of a sudden guys who had ignored you for centuries are saying \"Well, Hey, Dude, how\'s every little thing?\" ... Don Juans they all are .. sheesh ..

BassMan

10-02-2002, 04:57 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr>

Are men like that when you\'re with a beautiful woman?

<hr></blockquote>Absolutely.

cuddlebear

10-02-2002, 04:59 PM

So is there a mone to help with that phenomenon?

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 05:00 PM

FTR - It depends on what the guy looks like whos with the beautiful woman. If he looks like a whimp or a loser, yes some guys will flirt with the man\'s date, but, if he has style, class, dresses appealing and looks like he should be with his good looking date, then usually men will keep their distance and admire her from a far!

Just one guys opinion, I welcome others.

MOBLEYC57

10-02-2002, 05:17 PM

Justhuge, I agree with you, and if you look like a criminal, like myself, they won\'t bother you either. I stand six\'three\'\' with hazel contacts, and when I\'m in a dark place, my eyes open real wide. People say I look like I\'m on coke, not to mention 250 pounds of well shaped muscle. People come by to say hi to get a closer look at my date, but they don\'t say too much when \"I\'m around.\" But there are always those that have had a little too much to drink...alcohol and sex on the brain, makes one brave, but that\'s another story. Yes FTR - women flirt a lot with other peoples men, those are the ones that I like to burst their bubble, turn my back, and just ignore them. But that makes them work that much harder, and all I wanted them to do is flirt somewhere else.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 05:36 PM

One boyfriend I had could have been a male model ... one of my girlfriends did manage to get him to sleep with her, which he was bitterly ashamed of and pissed off at himself about later .. others would just say, Oh, come over next Saturday -- and BRING EDDIE -- and I could see, looking at them, that they were all turned on at the thought of him, it\'s not like they could help their reaction, but the forwardness of their wanting to be with him in my face amazed me. ... I used to work at a law firm that gave an awesome Christmas party with a full bar and a band, and my husband was so much fun at a party, danced with everyone and made sure everyone had a good time ... he was dancing with some girl near me on the dance floor (I was dancing with some co-worker) and she kept trying to get him to leave the dance floor and I heard her say, Where\'s your wife? and him say She\'s dancing right next to you! and her saying, You know you want to, don\'t bullshit me! Come on! She\'s not looking! etc. --I finally cut in and led him off ... then another coworker comes up and sits directly in front of him and leans way down so he (and I) could see down her dress ...

I\'m happier with not so gorgeous men, tell you the truth. Having seen the women in action around them, sometimes I have a little sympathy for the devil when they cheat.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 05:40 PM

Sorry MOBLEYC57 - I didn\'t mean to leave the criminal look out - It was wrong of me and it won\'t happen again!

Dallas was OK, but how about those Chargers & Raiders! Go CA...

MOBLEYC57

10-02-2002, 06:38 PM

Justhuge - Yeah Yeah Yeah with the Chargers and Raiders, and they\'re even better than Dallas, but no SuperBowl for them either.

FTR - Rule number one when it comes to your man...don\'t trust nobody. Rule number two...never forget rule number one. It\'s an ugly world isn\'t it? BUUUUUUT if someone loves you, you won\'t ever have a problem...you can trust even me on that one!!! ; ) Now to your post, and I\'m in all caps but not yelling. \"One boyfriend I had could have been a male model ... one of my girlfriends did manage to get him to sleep with her, which he was bitterly ashamed of and pissed off at himself about later .. others would just say, Oh, come over next Saturday -- and BRING EDDIE -- and I could see, looking at them, that they were all turned on at the thought of him, it\'s not like they could help their reaction, but the forwardness of their wanting to be with him in my face amazed me LUST IS AMAZING IF YOU HAVEN\'T GOTTEN A GRIP ON IT FTR. IN HIGHSCHOOL, A GIRLFRIEND OF A FRIEND CAME TO MY HOUSE, MOM LET HER IN, SHE CAME UP TO MY BEDROOM, BEFORE SHE LEFT WE SLEPT TOGETHER, AND THAT HAS BEEN OVER 26 YEARS AGO. I SAW HIM A YEAR AGO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 26 YEARS, AND I STILL GOT A KNOT IN MY STOMACH. I NEVER TOLD HIM, BUT I LEARNED THAT DAY, THERE IS NO SEX IN THE WORLD THAT\'S WORTH A FRIEND. I NEVER TOLD HIM, BUT 26 YEARS LATER I STILL GOT A KNOT. NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AGAIN. I\'VE HAD FRIENDS THAT THEIR GIRLS AND WIVES HAS HIT ON ME, I NEVER TOLD, BUT I JUST STOP GOING TO THEIR HOUSE. YOU CAN GET LAID ANYWHERE, BUT FRIENDS ARE RARE FIND. SOME IN THEIR 50\'S STILL DON\'T KNOW THIS...AMAZING!!... I used to work at a law firm that gave an awesome Christmas party with a full bar and a band THOSE ARE THE DEATH PARTIES, AND BEFORE I READ WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY...YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL WHO\'S BEEN MESSING WITH WHO AT WORK DURING THE XMAS PARTIES. ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH ALCOHOL, and my husband was so much fun at a party, danced with everyone and made sure everyone had a good time ... he was dancing with some girl near me on the dance floor (I was dancing with some co-worker) and she kept trying to get him to leave the dance floor and I heard her say, Where\'s your wife? and him say She\'s dancing right next to you! and her saying, You know you want to, don\'t bullshit me! Come on! She\'s not looking! etc. --I finally cut in and led him off ... then another coworker comes up and sits directly in front of him and leans way down so he (and I) could see down her dress. GEEEEZ!!! I WAS WRONG, I THOUGHT AT THE PARTY IS WHEN YOU FOUND OUT HE WAS FOOLING AROUND. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT FTR, KINDNESS ALWAYS SEEMS TO MAKE WOMEN MELT. IT\'S LIKE I ALWAYS HEAR HOW WOMEN SAY THAT THEY WANT A MAN THAT MAKES THEM LAUGH. MY EXWIFE TOLD ME THAT I FLIRTED ALL THE TIME, WE\'D GO INTO BURGER KING, AND I\'D SAY, \"I JUST HEARD ON THE RADIO THAT YOU WERE GIVING AWAY THREE CHICKEN SANDWHICHES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE.\" EVERYBODY WORKING, AND IN LINE WOULD BUST OUT LAUGHING, BUT SHE SAID I WAS FLIRTING. THAT\'S NOT FLIRTING TO ME, BUT THAT DOES MAKE WOMEN INTERESTED FOR SOME REASON. FLIRTING IS GIVING COMPLIMENTS, WHICH COULD BE HINTING INTEREST IN MY BOOK. NOT MAKING SOMEONE LAUGH. IT\'S LIKE WOMEN SAY THEY WANT A CHALLENGE...A CHALLENGE IS NOT SEEING IF YOU CAN SLEEP WITH SOMEONE ELSE\'S MAN OR WOMAN, BUT FIXING THE PROBLEM YOU\'RE HAVING AT HOME, MAKING IT BETTER WITH YOUR PARTNER.

I\'m happier with not so gorgeous men, tell you the truth BECAUSE YOU\'RE LIKE ME FTR, YOU\'RE A WORRIER!!! I DON\'T LIKE SHARING. I DON\'T LOOK LIKE A MODEL, BUT I\'M A GOOD LOOKING MAN. GORGEOUS MEN ARE GOING TO CATCH YOUR EYE FTR, WHICH MEANS YOUR CRAVING IS DEEP AND WELL HIDDEN. THERE ARE GOOD LOOKING FAITHFUL MEN OUT THERE, AND YOU BEING AFRAID BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS HIM, IS ONLY STARVING YOUR DESIRES, FLESH, WHATEVER. SHORTCHANGING YOURSELF FROM WHAT YOU WANT IS NOT GOOD. I FEEL THE SAME WAY YOU DO, BUT I BE DAMNED IF I\'M GOING OUT AND DATE SOMEONE THAT DOESN\'T HAVE MY EYE, FOR THAT WILL ONLY LEAVE ME LOOKING AT SOMEONE ELSE...YEAH, YOU TOO!!! Having seen the women in action around them, sometimes I have a little sympathy for the devil when they cheat. YOU SAID A MOUTH FULL THERE FTR, I KNOW WOMEN THAT SLEEP WITH THEIR SUPPOSINGLY, BEST FRIEND\'S MEN. I CALL THEM BACKDOOR PIMPS... IN THE BACKYARD, BY THE TRASHCAN, UNDER THE WINDOW...SHE WHISPERS IN TO HIM \"IS SHE GONE YET!!? NO, SHE\'S GETTING HER PURSE!!\" MY RULE OF THUMB...NONE OF MY FRIENDS COME IN AND WAIT FOR ME WHEN I\'M NOT HOME, NOR DOES HERS. IT DOESN\'T STOP ANYTHING, BUT IT HELPS, BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS A THOUGHT, AND THEN THE FIRE\'S BURNING. ONE CAN ONLY HOPE FTR, THAT WHAT THEY HAVE, IS REALLY THEIRS. I\'M AT AN AGE NOW, AND HAVE LEARNED THAT ALL I NEED IS ONE THAT\'S NOT A CHEATER, ALCOHOLIC OR DRUGGY, BELIEVES IN GOD, AND I\'M HAPPY. I\'LL EVEN TAKE A NASTY ATTITUDE, IN WHICH I CAN\'T STAND!!! BUT I BELIEVE KISSES AND NIBBLES CAN FIX AN ATTITIUDE PROBLEM IF THE OTHER\'S IN LOVE. ;- ) THE END.

krtel

10-02-2002, 06:41 PM

Well, if I\'m with a really HOT gf, and this is another reason I try to avoid getting close with really hot girls, but, usually people will hit on her left and right, and well, from my experience, she\'ll flirt right back.

- Krish

krtel

10-02-2002, 06:47 PM

Whoa dude, whats with the anger! Settle down a bit eh? /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

- Krish

MOBLEYC57

10-02-2002, 06:57 PM

krtel - If your lady\'s flirting back my friend...that\'s not your lady, someone\'s missing in the respect category, or your kindness is being taken for blindness, and someone needs to receive walking papers along with the words...\"getta stepping!!\" Either or...that\'s not good, but don\'t feel bad...I once had a lady that came right out and said, \"there are good looking men out there, and I\'m going to look!\" Well, I already knew she was looking, the ugly thing is...she was looking while she was with me!!! Duhhhhhhhh...respect!!! Doesn\'t cost a dime. Not all hotties are like that. I played football for an Italian team out of Rome, Italy, and I\'ve had a girl 10+ that would quickly ask a guy what he was looking at. I\'d look to see who she was talking to, and he\'d be looking the guy all the girls in the world would just fall for. I\'ve had only one American hottie, that neverr disrespected me in that way. She too would ask someone what they were looking at, or may she help them when they were looking too hard. I know a bunch of 10s with their feet on the ground, so don\'t you fear none...you can always tell what type you have, if you watch and listen. The key to hotties is...treat them special, don\'t act like they\'re special. No one walking this earth is better than the next, but people think that way about people with looks and money. And as the old saying goes, \"If you sit in the back of the bus long enough, that\'s where you\'ll begin to believe you belong.\" Sorry...I\'ve said all that to say...there are hotties that have manners and respect for others.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 07:04 PM

Mobley, you\'re preaching to the choir - read above where I said when it comes to your squeeze, the best friends is no friends, because that\'s exactly who you have to watch, is your best friend. Been there done that bought the tshirt a couple of times, actually.

The guy I\'m with is WAY too good looking. I\'m not starving myself, I\'m especially not starved for goodlooking. But I\'m saying, I think about the men I\'ve been with who weren\'t knockouts, and I was happier. You\'re right, I worry and fret. I have reason to. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 07:22 PM

Some people should use what I call the \"Italian way\" (no disrespect intended by the way, I love italians).

There it is : You marry her young, sexy and slim and then you stuff her with tons of fine foods, cheeses, breads and fine wines. You cook her so many fine romantic dinners that she will eventually get fat and ugly so that will reduce the competition and people start calling her a \"mama\" ;-)

Half-joking of course...

MOBLEYC57

10-02-2002, 07:35 PM

Joke all you want!! There are people that want their partner fat because of the chances that no one else will want him or her. Geeeeez, I\'ve even thought about it!! Problems of the heart...see what it does to you? :-(

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 09:28 PM

Great insights. I think that the \"true love and honorability\" idealist attitude is a dinosaur.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-02-2002, 09:58 PM

At my college, super hot women are in good supply. They are very much into fashion. Like they stepped out of a J Lo video. Middle Eastern, Asian, Caucasian, etc. So Cal seems to be the place for hot gals.

My take though is that these 9\'s and 10\'s go through an aweful lot of crap from guys. Case in point, in one of my classes, one guy turned around and asked a hot girl how many boyfriends she had? Seriously. He said oh, \"you\'re so beautiful, you should have a boyfriend for money, one for sex, one for love, etc\". I was thinking \"oh man, this is a classic case of a guy becoming a chump in her eyes\".

I wonder what percent of guys they talk to ever ask them real questions, like, oh what made you choose your career, or anything on a personal or emotional level.

9\'s and 10\'s are out of this world, but are they really worth it? I think I\'d choose the Meg Ryan, Cameron Diaz type over the Pam Anderson, Brooke Burke kind.

Watcher

10-03-2002, 02:43 AM

That is probably why they are so bitchy and snottynosed, they have to cut out the crap chumpy guys who just express their testostrone driven dribel that they sprout every day and harass good looking women left right and centre with no real idea how to land such good looking women.

http://www.anitadoth.myby.co.uk/anita%20doth_2%20u%20downloads.htm (\"http://www.anitadoth.myby.co.uk/anita%20doth_2%20u%20downloads.htm\")

MadMaxx

10-03-2002, 05:57 AM

I have dated very hot women long term and never had any problems. As justhuge suggested, maybe that was because I looked liked I belonged with them. We looked like a good couple. I could never figure out what guys were talking about when they would tell me that they never wanted to date a beautiful woman because they would have too much trouble from other guys. I always figured it was something they said to make themselves feel better because they couldn\'t get a beautiful woman.

CptKipling

10-03-2002, 06:06 AM

It\'s something that has never really crossed my mind. I dont like to pre-judge. If I like them, \"hi\", and then we see if their personality is good enough, if it isnt, then shortly after \"hi\" its \"bye!\". There are certain patterns that tend to dictate bitchiness, but there is definately no rule, and you also find that certain behavoiral patterns are constant throughout friendship groups, and are largly dependant on who they grew up with.

You can get stunning girls, but they are innocent and \"cute\", shy etc..

Irish

10-03-2002, 12:07 PM

Guthrie had lots of ideas about social signalling 25 years ago:

http://employees.csbsju.edu/lmealey/hotspots/ (\"http://employees.csbsju.edu/lmealey/hotspots/\")

He ties a lot of our dress, posturing, makeup, etc. to various types of innate social signaling - most of it having to to with threat or social status.

Chapter 5 covers scent, which we all like to talk about on this forum.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-03-2002, 05:07 PM

Okay, I talked to that girl(the one from that post 2-3 days ago). After I watched her more closely, I found out that she does that to alot of guys. Well I told her about this girl I was trying to hook up with. Now she see\'s me with this other girl today. I saw her out of the corner of my, and may I say she looked pissed. I didn\'t want to make her mad, but if thats what it takes to stop her from getting me UP well so be it. I was talking to her awhile ago on the phone, and all we talked about was that girl. Now I think either she will become a friend or maybe try to go with me befor the other girl. But I think the jealousy tactic is working just great
Thanks Sterlingwh

MOBLEYC57

10-03-2002, 05:14 PM

One thing about using jealousy...people tend to be closed off with just it makes your partner come back. I beg to differ...it does one of two things...it either brings them back, or it sends them on their way. Risk - running them away. Is it worth it? Nope!!! Be careful!

a.k.a.

10-03-2002, 06:38 PM

CaliGuy,
Are you saying that Cameron Diaz is NOT a 10 and that Pam Anderson IS?

Regarding body language. The main things to watch when you’re hitting on a girl are eyes, mouth, hands, and posture.
Eyes signal “go”, “stop”, “slow down”, “get to the point” and other factors that effect your timing.
The mouth signals pleasure with a smile, judgment with pursed lips, desire with a grin, wonder with an open mouth and many other things.
Hands are great for revealing the comfort level. Touching is a sign of attraction in itself, but it also reveals that the girl is pretty much at ease with you. Hands held together may reveal a particularly self conscious girl that doesn’t want to be obvious about her attraction. Open hands signal comfort. Clenched hands signal tension.
Preening actions signal self consciousness or desire, depending on the eye-contact (read Full Tilt’s first response).

Posture doesn’t reveal much about what a girl thinks of you, but it’s a good way to get a first (rough) impression of her personality: stable - easily set off, confident - depressive, active - passive... This helps put the other signs into context.

Just a start.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-03-2002, 09:00 PM

I agree that the jealousy tactic doesn\'t work in all situations, some you will win some you will lose, however I always prefer to know where I stand, if she is interested thats great, if she isn\'t well now you know and you can stop wasting your time with her. All you have done is encouraged her to make her mind up, you\'ve also shown her that your not her little play thing, you can still be a nice guy but your not going to take being treated like that.

Unfortunately I learnt this lesson the hard way. /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

Watcher

10-04-2002, 12:43 AM

WEll it is a tactic netherless. yeah you can be a nice guy but refuse to take female [censored]. If its sitting in friendship zone long term, you must force it, you can make female friends anywhere any time that part is easy, plenty of available women want male \"friends\" as it gives them a broader field of other male friends to try out until they find a guy. But if nothing is happening think of youreself instead of her and force the issue, if you lose, use pheormones to make other female friends where something could happen.

I guess its a matter of you making a \"decision\" and then doing something about it, most guys dont make \"decisions\" instead being weak to womens urges dont that makes you a loser. Ok attack me for going over the top, but to get ahead in life ive forced the issue a couple of times and it either worked or didnt but it allowed me to put personal and life energy into other facets of my life which were more deserving.

http://www.anitadoth.myby.co.uk/anita%20doth_2%20u%20downloads.htm (\"http://www.anitadoth.myby.co.uk/anita%20doth_2%20u%20downloads.htm\")

proteus

10-04-2002, 03:52 AM

yeah, sometimes you have to force the issue - saves your time and hers telling her you want XYZ and if she just wants a friend, well you got enough friends to last a lifetime and don\'t need another one and then split, forget about her. Had to do this very recently - course the cocktease is now doing all kinds a sh*t to get me to hangout with her again but unless she\'s willing to take this to the next level, it is not happening

**DONOTDELETE**

10-04-2002, 12:14 PM

I would really like to be with her. But if she just goes on her way it shows that all she really does want is to be friends. I\'m just showing her that she needs to make up her mind. If she just wants to be friends that also good. It gives me a chance to now more girls. Also if she just wants to be friends, I know other girls that would like to date me. Never the less, I will always be a gentalmen to her and other girls.

MOBLEYC57

10-04-2002, 12:28 PM

Mroray - You\'ve got the right idea, but you\'re hiding. First...if you knew other girls that want to date you, and you them, that\'s where you\'d be. It\'s o.k. to admit that you want something that you can\'t have, be it the case, but it\'s manly...more than you think to admit it. If you wanted to know other girls, or even date other girls...trust me, that\'s what you\'d do. Never go against the heart my friend, for you will always lose. Should she not want to be with you, you\'re going to have to out grow it. All the sex in the world won\'t heal that, only time. I hope it works out for you, for matters of the heart can seem deadly at times. Sometimes I look back, and I\'m amazed that I\'m still living, or how I survived. It\'s taken me 44 years, I\'m 45, to understand, and not take it personal. The only thing I can say to you is...no one that loves you will ever break your heart. You may get disappointments, but never a broken heart, for to me, a broken heart can only come from a third party. Good luck!!