~ The Great Virgin Test ~ ver. 1.0

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I am 37, she is 20 and a virgin. 100% sure about this, not fat or ugly or really that strange, somewhat a nerd and a Nebraskan. Forget all the judgmental crap and help me out with what would be the best \"Phero Brew\" to use on her ?
I have about 20 days till D-day. I have met her once and later in an e-mail she ask me what colon I was wearing. It was only a small amount of cheap stuff I got in Mexico ( non Phero ). This time I will have 3 days with her and I really do not know what to use. SOE , PI, or some mix ??? Any ideas ?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well, we\'re not even sure if pheros work well on virgins, Ghostclown.

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I\'m still a newbie at this whole pheromone thing but I would say it should be something not too strong or it will scare her.

[DrSmellThis]

First thing I\'d suggest -- STOP WEARING A COLON!

Maybe they put up with that crap in Mexico, but in the US of A, ghostclown, women do not like this! Duh!

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Nor am I convinced, yet, that pheros work FOR virgins.

[MadMaxx]

Yeah, for sure. Some people are worried about smelling like a bit of cat piss and this guy wears a colon when he goes out. lol.

[MadMaxx]

As for the virgin thing. I spend a lot of time with a whole bunch of 17-18 year olds. Now, I can\'t certify that they are all virgins, but going by statistcs in my part of the world and other things, it is probably safe to say that most of them are virgins. I definitely get hits from some of them. But, this is obviously inconclusive, since maybe the ones I am getting hits from are experienced. It\'s beyond me to guess who is experienced and who isn\'t for the most part.

[CptKipling]

I\'m with MM, my g/f is (or was!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif ) a virgin.

[EXIT63]

You\'re killin me doc ! ! !
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[**DONOTDELETE**]

Tough question, Ghostclown. What does your wife think?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Maybe she\'ll join in this time around! LOL

[Elana]

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[CptKipling]

lol

[bpg1]

Why shouldn\'t pheros work on virgins? They still have a VNO...

[MaxiMog]

Well, this is what I think: because they are still virgins, they probably never had a large amount of those certain \"love-substances\" in their bodies (chemicals, hormones, whatever) in a short time, normally causing people to get extremely horny etc. Probably because they\'re not familiar with such reactions of their own bodies, they feel embarrased or uneasy, causing them to run away rather than approaching other people. People who are familiar with sex and all the associated feelings can cope with the attraction induced by pheros a lot better, me thinks.

And I read that -none, -nol and -rone do not stimulate the VNO, unlike A1. Any confirmation on this?

[SonnyBlack]

they dont?????any info on this you guys??Im about to place my order and this statement frankly has me a little worried....

[MaxiMog]

This is just speculation. I\'m just assuming that IF it\'s more difficult to attract virgins, that it might be because of the reason I gave, but personally, It thinks it\'s equally \'easy\' to attract virgins as \'non-virgins\' with pheros. After the initial attraction, it\'s all up to you, then you have nothing but your personality to help you. Perhaps that\'s where it\'s a little more difficult with virgins...

[MadMaxx]

Maybe some of us could gather some data to help settle this question. I could take one or two of the 17-year olds that I get hits from, and ask them whether they are virgins or not. Of course I might have to \"disguise\" the question a bit somehow, telling them I\'m doing research on whether a virgin can be detected just from smell, looks, or manner. Anyone else willing to gather some data? I\'ve got one in mind that started rubbing her tits on me the first day she walked into my classroom. I was using only Andro 4.2 at that time. She\'d be a good one to ask since that was definitely a sexual hit.

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\'\'one in mind that started rubbing her tits on me \'\'


Ya, that`s it, sacrify yourself to science ;-).

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You can tell a virgin because she\'ll be the one with the unicorn following her.

[Whitehall]

I\'m speculating, but I think that oxytocin primes the female for a response to \'none.

Oxytocin is released in the stretching of the vagina in sex or in childbirth. Non-virgins would then have had at least one exposure to \'none from a male while their vagina was being stretched and oxytocin released.

Of course, a virgin female can still be attracted to a male via pheromones but the oxytocin conditioning from penetration would make her subsequently more receptive/proceptive.

I bet JV Kohl would agree.

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Well, then for the sake of argument, I\'ll speculate on the other side. I don\'t think having her vagina stretched has anything whatsoever to do with it. She can produce oxytocin without any penetration. Virgins aren\'t any different than women who\'ve had sex except that they haven\'t been penetrated **with a penis**. Of course they can detect pheromones and of course they get aroused and you bet they have orgasms, and maybe (likely) even orgasms with penetration - just not by a penis.

[MaxiMog]

Hmmm, very interesting really. I\'m telling you people, we\'re discussing complex matters here. Good, let\'s hear some more theories!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/ (\"http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/\")

type \"oxytocin\" into any search engine

has nothing to do with her vagina, stretched or not stretched

no disrespect intended to Whitehall\'s magic wand

[Gerund]

Bwahahahaha! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[MaxiMog]

Thanks! This is definitely some good reading!

[Whitehall]

re your oxytocin link:

What are you trying to do, get me in trouble? My corporate firewall thinks that this is some sort of porn site and informed me that it was taking names of employees who tried to access it.

My response will have to wait until tonight.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Ok.

Here\'s another link for general edification purposes while you\'re composing yourself.

http://thewebhouse.net/article7.html (\"http://thewebhouse.net/article7.html\")

Since you can boost oxytocin levels from eating chocolate, and they go up high when you\'re having an orgasm, it seems pretty clear (to me, at least) that vaginal stretching has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

I don\'t understand why y\'all think virgins are different in their reactions to men than non-virgins. Are you different in your reactions to females now that you\'ve had sex? Weren\'t you aroused by women way before you ever got your first piece? Masturbating way before you ever did the deed? Women aren\'t any different.

[Funlover]

Thanks, FTR... Be sure to include all of this in your book, and I have recently decided to buy at least two (2) copies.

Gee, I wish I would have learned this much in school...

Funlover

[BassMan]

<blockquote><font class=\"small\">In reply to:</font><hr>

I don\'t understand why y\'all think virgins are different in their reactions to men than non-virgins. Are you different in your reactions to females now that you\'ve had sex? Weren\'t you aroused by women way before you ever got your first piece? Masturbating way before you ever did the deed? Women aren\'t any different.

<hr></blockquote>There is at least one theory going around that part of a female\'s response to male pheros is conditioned by the presence of male odors while she is having sexual pleasure. The theory would hold that a virgin doesn\'t have the same level and frequency of exposure to male scent as a female who is more sexually active. This obviously has some holes, depending on how \"technical\" her categorization as virgin is - in other words, how much sexual play she\'s engaged in with males while remaining unpenetrated. But on the face of it, it seems to make sense.

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It doesn\'t make sense to me at all. But thanks for the information.

[Bruce]

Hi Folks,
This forum has had its ups and downs over the years, but for pure entertainment value, it don\'t get any better than this. :-)
And yes, wearing a colon around your neck can put a damper on your social life in most cultures.
Thanks a million,
Bruce

[Walter]

Yes thats right.
Ghostclown should only be viewed as entertainment or you will go nuts. His last post started up quite a controversy, rightly so, and I think he comes here and tries to stir us up .
If his post were real I figure his wife would have killed him after his last post, if he went through with it.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

He\'s set himself to the debauchery of deflowering virgins. ... well, at least he\'s taken it out of the family! Don\'t be so hard on him -- maybe this is progress.

Except how much you wanna bet he hasn\'t told the girl he\'s married?

[Walter]

It may be progress I really don\'t know.
However I doubt that he is still married after trying to nail his wife\'s sister. If he is still married his life is a living hell if she found out.

BTW Who know a 20 year old female virgin who would give it up to someone she has meet only once? Something doesn\'t add up.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Uh-oh. Austin Powers time. (\"She\'s a maaan, baybee!\")

Seriously, tho. Not only is she giving it up to a virtual stranger, but one who\'s doing the hit and run, like, he won\'t even be around after the deed is done. That rilly doesn\'t make sense to me, either.

[Walter]

I glad I am not going completely crasy. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif
<font color=red>Someone</font color=red> else see the insanity in this post.

[Watcher]

Well to be honest THIS GUY WAS NUTS LAST TIME ROUND AND HES BACK

Ok to break a virgin in leave -none to a minimum otherwise she will run like hell. No wonder some young guys in their 20s cant get laid lol all the old guys are screwing them stupid instead.

[Walter]

I guess you are right watcher, but should we be giving him advise. There\'s no telling what he will do.../ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif.... On the other hand, Ghostclown wear 8 or 9 sprays of andro 4.2 or attraction 4 or 5 sprays of the edge and run amuck. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif lol.

ps 3

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Sounds to me like in this girl\'s case, wouldn\'t take much screwing.

[Whitehall]

\"No wonder some young guys in their 20s cant get laid lol all the old guys are screwing them stupid instead.\"

Ahhh, Grasshopper, enlightment approaches!

[krtel]

Your right, I don\'t think she will give it up either, that is if she has any value/self-respect for herself.

- Krish

[Watcher]

If she has no self respect well then she will fall prey to ghostclown given that when under the effects of strong pheromones women lose all their self control and they just want to be laid by that hormonal/pheormonal behaviour driven thingy.

[Kari]

Question guys... Why do men get so hung up on being the \"first?\" Women are MUCH more realistic.. we want to be the LAST. &lt;g&gt;

BTW-- I sometimes wonder about guys who want virgins. Maybe they\'re afraid they can\'t compete with previous lovers?

BTW2-- I wouldn\'t worry about Ghostclown\'s wife. I once had a friend who fished off other piers, now and then. His wife seemed oblivious. Turned out she was looking the other way, because she had some \"fishing,\" to do, of her own. &lt;gg&gt;

K.

[Kari]

I dunno. I know a lady who chose a near stranger, for her first. She wanted to be \"initiated,\" and chose a guy who \"seemed harmless.\"

Maybe Qhostclown \"seems harmless?\"

K.

[Kari]

Sometimes it\'s EASIER to attract virgins. Less ability to discriminate.

K.

[franki]

Woah Kari,
That is some old stuff you are bumping up... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

To which posts exactly are you replying?

Franki /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[MOBLEYC57]

Who is thou, that hast pissed on the grave of the DOODOO thread!?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Show thy face, and get royally spanked!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Kari]

That\'s \"who ART thou,\" and it seemed royally worth pissing on.....re: the spanking... is that an offer? &lt;g&gt;

[Kari]

My apologies, Frankie. It came up first under the \"Pheromone\" catagorie, on my search. I think I overlooked the YEAR, while gazing at the month and day (duh!).

I\'m not sure I know how to navigate these messages, yet.

K. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[franki]

It is not bad that you bumped this thread, Kari. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I was just wondering why out of all threads on this forum you read this one..

Franki /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Elana]

This is one of those threads that is best left buried in the rubble. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Brian]

I remember it well. There also was the sister in law thread as well. If he was nothing else, he sure was consistant with his posts. Consistantly full of sh!t, that is. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Brian

[Kari]

I probably should\'ve looked more carefully., so as not to accidently post to something old. But, I\'m afraid I got a little judgemental. He seemed like such an arrogant shithead.

Can we say these things on this list?

[Kari]

I\'m a mental health professional. The text got me hooked.

[CptKipling]

Searching for \"Pheromone\" on a pheromone forum might not give you the most streamlined results /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif