Masturbation and Pheromones.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Right, here\'s a question! Do we produce more pheromones ourselves if we cease masturbating?

Here\'s an idea i had. If we stop masturbating we are no longer providing the sexual release that our body needs. To maintain the level of release the body may try and get more sex. If our body wants sex, then that leads to physiological mechanisms stepping up a gear in order to get it. A very important example of one of those mechanisms is that of pheromones!

It has been mentioned before that semen contains pheromones. If the semen is not being constantly released, then our body would not require to continually replenish the supply, perhaps leaving more pheromone producing thingys (scientific term) for the rest of the body to use.

Anyone have any ideas about this? JVK, have you collected the T-shirts of people who masturbate and people who abstain?

Ahhh the sweet smell of science.

[CptKipling]

Yes there is definately a noticable increase, in paralell with increased testosterone. There was a discussion about this a while ago... cant remember the outcome though.

[Whitehall]

We guys have a minimum turnover rate for semen. If we don\'t get external release from sex or from masturbation, then we have wet dreams. Increased regular turnover, above that minimim rate is good for us and for our sperm. It exercises the prostate gland, which makes the fluid that the sperm swim in, and it encourages the production of fresh, healthy sperm. In fact, if you want maximum fertility, then masturbate a day or two before you try to make babies. Oddly, our body releases fewer sperm cells when we masturbate than when we have sex with a girl - as to how it knows that, I can only guess pheromone signals.

Consciously attempting to minimize semen/sperm production will cause a testosterone decline as the system scales back production. This is especially true the older you get. Use it or lose it.

My advice is that if you want to produce more endogenous pheromones, then produce more, not less, semen. I can\'t point to specific studies on this but it is my synthesis and conclusion from a number of books I\'ve read on the subject, especially \"Sperm Wars.\" Of course, you can go too far the other way.

That\'s the facts on Jack.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Very interesting, thanks Whitehall.

I\'ve just had another idea (wow - two in one day no less!), as pheromone production is related to testosterone, using PCC or EW should also raise the wearers own pheromone production.

[jvkohl]

Thanks for stepping in, Whitehall. As usual your response is great, especially the reference to Sperm Wars.

[jvkohl]

Astrid Jutte was able to elicit increased testosterone levels in men exposed to the mix of short chain fatty
acids present in ovulatory vaginal secretions--but not secretions from other cycle phases. This indicates that
the mix must be designed in accord with the early works of RP Michaels, which is not an easy task for
anyone who is not an experienced chemist.

[voodoo]

Very interesting indeed..Are you suggesting that to raise our testosterone levels we should masterbate or have sex more often??

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Sex of any kind is good for your health, overall. It makes perfect sense, what Whitehall is saying about \"use it or lose it,\" because that is definitely the case with females as they approach menopause. Guess what? \"Vaginal atrophy\" sets in if you don\'t use it -- lack of sexual activity for women also has bad effects on hormones, not to mention mood and energy level. Why would it be different for men, right?

[Whitehall]

I appreciate the compliments, James, Red, et al. Just had to plug the book again - it\'s that good.

Expanding on Red\'s female perspective, for a guy, one secret for good prostate health is turnover - doctors will prescribe it for recovery from prostate imflammations, in fact.

Enthusiastic sex on a regular basis is good for the whole body and being. It\'s part of the life well lived.

[franki]

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\"sex on a regular basis is good for the whole body and being. It\'s part of the life well lived. \"

Ok, just a stupid question: Does this mean you advocate going to a prostitute if you´re not getting it elsewhere.

I think I would say yes, but I don´t quite know how Americans think about that. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Watcher]

Ok folks dont bag me here for taking a slightly different viewpoint to try to figure it out - \"sex on a regular basis is good for the whole body and being. Its part of the life well lived\" ok so why is this different for say body builders who are told to keep from having sex to increase T levels to get maximum benefit out of their workouts.

On another front the society view against prostitutes is a religious one which vexes itself into morals. The christian church being stronger in the USA prostitutes are frowned upon. Go to europe however and it is actively encouraged and the same goes in australia, it is legalised in every state.
Government tightly controlls the legal brothel industry but doesnt step in to stop it, just regulates it.

That said the catholic and anglican churces have lost their power over society given the acceptance in law on embroynic stem cell research passing 2 votes to 1 in favour.

Franki americans really are religious fanatics in some areas \"The bible belt has been mentioned\" they maintain public power. As in europe its different. Me i would advocate going to a prostitute if not getting it elsewhere, this is why preists rape children, men rape women because they cant get it anywhere else due to the females of the race being either taken and those that are left are single waiting for mr prince charming and not giving out to all men.

20% of men getting 80% of all sexual intercourse.
This leaves 80% of men getting 20% of sexual intercourse. This challanges the religious view of one man and one woman in a society with 50:50 population. Doesnt make sense, those getting sex attack prostitution because that means that men can get it quite easily by paying for it and they lose their power over the masses.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

A few months back, this guy answered a personal ad of mine and sent his picture and I really liked him, and we started instant messaging on a regular basis. I asked him about his current situation, what was his status, divorced, dating, seeing anyone? He said he had sex with this woman that he really didn\'t like at all, but she was pretty good in bed, and he suffered a lot of guilt about it, because even though he\'d as much as told her he was with her just for the sex, she kept being convinced that they were in, or were heading into, a \"meaningful relationship.\" I wrote back to him that that must be rough, it\'s a pity he couldn\'t go to a prostitute instead.

HE GOT SO MAD AT ME you can\'t believe it. It was like that was the worst thing you could possibly say to him.

I\'m American, family came here from Scotland in 1797, but I do not understand the prejudices against sex workers. God knows, not only do I wish men could get what they need when they need it, all the more I wish women could too. I read an article once about a male prostitute in Australia and wished to god we had them.

I didn\'t realize it was completely legal in Europe. That blows my mind. I feel like we\'re so backward here.

Watcher, I don\'t think the storing up your seed for sports thing is good for your health or for your game, is it? Do you notice a difference when you\'re sexually frustrated in your workouts? I sure don\'t. It could be that stuff is old wives tales.

Not that old wives don\'t know what they\'re talking about sometimes... /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Watcher]

As far as sports things, i have done meditation and self-hypnosis for relaxation self control etc. What i have found is that when i am sexually frustrated (the T level build up from no sex for a week or so) is that i can then shift it back into getting a better workout and better results as a result, because the body is pumped and ready to go i can then redirect that into an aggressive workout and get maximum results.

One thing that is recommened to many sports stars (male soccer players for example and others is not to have sex for up to a week before a big game) because it enhances their performance with higher T levels. Thats why Testostrone supplements are banded by the international olympic committee because anything higher than normal enhances performance to an unfair level.

Chinesse female swimmers put on T level supplements were found to grow muscles more like men and to perform way above normal. Of course in many western countries these supplements are illegal and so to for the olympics but are readily availble in many asian countries. EW or PCC has the same effect but from an external source.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I knew about the supplements but I always suspected the not having sex before the big game was just a way to get the players to play harder so they could get laid and celebrate after.

[jamesdeanmartin]

Man, if you need to have sex on a regular basis in order to stay healthy...I\'m so fuckin\' screwed! :-)

LOL
JDM

[EXIT63]

You know, condoms are not foolproof.

[Watcher]

Exactly i dont need sex everyday (it would be nice) but there is just so much more to do in life - like play with pheros and the like. Make money workout learn, educate ourselves.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Masturbation = sex with someone you love /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[Watcher]

Thats even better someone to return the play.

[Gerund]

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Watcher, I enjoy your posts, but I think your stream-of-consciousness writing style resulted in you getting a little carried away this time. I know how that happens, and it\'s easy to do: you have a lot of thoughts that you want to express and somehow tie together.

So I have to ask you to re-read the above quote I pulled from your post. You can\'t actually believe what you wrote? I believe it\'s been extremely well-established for decades that rape is a crime of violence, power, and control -- not sexual desire.

Let\'s look at it another way: If it could be reliably demonstrated and proven that legalized prostitution results in the elimination of rape and child sexual abuse, I\'d bet that all of the \"unenlightened\" countries such as the U.S. would be lining up to legalize prostitution, Bible Belt or no.

Anybody have stats on rape and child sexual abuse in countries with legalized prostitution, versus countries that don\'t allow it? I\'m certainly willing to be proven wrong.


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20% of men getting 80% of all sexual intercourse.
This leaves 80% of men getting 20% of sexual intercourse. This challanges the religious view of one man and one woman in a society with 50:50 population. Doesnt make sense, those getting sex attack prostitution because that means that men can get it quite easily by paying for it and they lose their power over the masses.
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I don\'t know where you got the 80/20 ratio, but I assume you have a source, so I won\'t quibble. However I have to say that you can\'t believe everything you read, especially if it involves statistics.

Anyway, the end of the paragraph seems to indicate a conspiracy on the part of men who are good at getting laid with a variety of females. In this conspiracy, these men seek to keep prositution illegal, so as to retain their power over men who aren\'t getting laid as much?

What power? Promiscuous men lose power to other men if the other men have greater opportunity to get laid?

You can\'t expect me to believe that -- I don\'t have sufficient paranoia built up in me at this point. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

This last one makes me chuckle. Watcher, please take a nap or something, and come back and write lots more, \'cuz I do like your posts, but this last one was really over the edge~

[jose]

\"me I would advocate going to a prostitute if not getting it elsewhere, this is why priests rape children, men rape women because they can\'t get it anywhere else.\"

Watcher did you take your medication before you wrote that, you have got to be kidding me. Why would a rapist pay for it when he can get it for free by attacking a stranger. How many prostitutes are raped and robbed by their clients? It\'s a power trip you know that.

[Watcher]

Ok but in a percentage of cases normally calm men get frustrated and that is what leads to some rapes. Ok there are a percentage of men who are just so sadistic that they attack women anyway - prostitutes being targets. I meant to say that there are men out there who get so pissed off with women giving them the slip not responding that they just go ahead and express their libido. Im just saying that the church isnt exactly perfect either (usually in the past has attracted men who like to have sex with children and get away with it because of the secretive nature of the catholic church and the trust thrust upon them by their mindless followers who believe whole heartedly.)

The power trip is those that use this structure for less than \"noble and moral\" purposes.

Plenty of prositutes are robbed and attacked by thier clients because there is a certain risk involved, the alternative outlaw prostitution leave men without sex as women hold off for prince charming and see what happens to society ???. Anyone wanna respond.

[xvs]

I find several things wrong with prostitution:

- It makes what should be a mutual pair bonding experience, which is really the foundation of our society (the family, created by pair bonds produced largely by sex) into a commercial transaction.

- This makes the female prostitute view males as means to an end (money), and male customers view females as something they can buy.

I have actually had this conversation many times with prostitutes, because I used to live in NYC and would take a nightly walk down Broadway. Invariably I would be approached by prostitutes who would say \"Going out tonight?\" and I\'d say \"No thanks.\" they\'d sometimes say \"Why not?\" and I\'d say \"Well, if you really want to know, I\'ll tell you...\" and then I\'d explain the above to them. Funny thing.. nearly all prostitutes I spoke to would agree with me about this! They\'d say \"yeah, you\'re right...\" and then usually throw in \"but that won\'t happen to me!\". Ah well.

Other things I find wrong with prostitution:

- I\'m not interested in having sex with anyone who isn\'t excited by me and who isn\'t wanting it themselves. Prostitutes might sometimes be, but I would guess that usually they aren\'t.

- Studies have found that a high percentage of prostitutes were sexually abused as children... they are acting out a sexual control story to make up for their lack of sexual control when they were children. So it\'s not as if they\'re making an informed decision to become prostitutes... they\'re suffering from psychological issues that are pushing them in this direction.

All that being said, I don\'t think it should be illegal... but it also seems rather distasteful for those reasons...not to mention the risk of disease.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Whitehall\'s idea view that if we increase our sexual activity (solo or dual effort!) we will increase our base level of testosterone production makes perfect sense, and i\'m sure it has lots of evidence to back it up.
On the other hand as Watcher pointed out Bodybuilders/athlete\'s have to abstain to build up T-levels.

In my view both these ideas are probably true. If a person has raised their base T-level by frequent sex/masturbation, then suddlenly abstains for a short period (e.g. a week), their T production mechanisms may not cut out immediately and continue to produce at a reasonably high level. This will lead to large T buildup. If the abstainence continues, T-production will slow down and the buildup will slowly be reduced through nocturnal emmission, or other mechanism. Therefore, a short period of abstainence should increase pheromone production, but if the person continues to abstain, pheromone production will eventually go right down.

On another note, Stone labs claim that PPC incrase T by 100% on their site. Therefore it does appear be be a useful tool in increasing one\'s own pheromone production.

[Whitehall]

I have a confession - I hired a prostitute - once.

OK, so I bargained her price down on a slow night on my first evening in San Francisco. She was an attractive female and I was 27, just out of college and had just driven my Porsche out from Florida, tanned and quite the stud. It should have have been great sex but....

It wasn\'t. The worst part was just as I was getting up to speed, she asks \"Aren\'t you done yet?\"

That was irritating. The next day I wrote a letter to Ralph Nader, consumer advocate, complaining about the poor service. I\'ve never gone that route again.

The point is that quality matters with sex (a lot) and you can\'t expect it from a prostitute. She is only motivated by the sale and her time is money. You want to manipulate her and she wants to manipulate you. I will grant that some fresh prostitutes may be very lustful and truly enjoy their work but to most, it\'s a job they can do stoned. My advice, young men, is save your money. Seeing prostitutes will harden your heart.

I will allow that it may be the only option for any sex life for many men. Given that sex is important to health, I would certainly support regulated, discreet prostitution even though that is a recipe for official corruption.

[CptKipling]

Grimnim, exactly what I was thinking.

Another thing, men sometimes suffer from depression with low T-levels

[CptKipling]

I don\'t think I\'ll ever hire one, I know it might be difficult for some people but I think it\'s dicusting. I know someone who recently lost his virginity to one.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I\'ve never met a prostitute so don\'t know anything about it except what\'s available from popular media -- but what about, like, call girls, women from escort services, not streetwalkers -- I mean, like, the modern equivalent of courtesans. For some reason that\'s what I think of when the word \"prostitute\" is used - maybe because I can\'t imagine going to a streetwalker either.

[CptKipling]

I prefer just not to think about it, I think its degrading a prominant example of human suffering, in all the fields you mentioned. Actually curb crawlers are the worst, with call girls second and escorts third. I\'m sure there are loads of risks with being an escort though.

[CptKipling]

I prefer just not to think about it, I think its degrading a prominant example of human suffering, in all the fields you mentioned. Actually curb crawlers are the worst, with call girls second and escorts third. I\'m sure there are loads of risks with being an escort though.

[franki]

Going to streetwalkers is terrible, 90% of them are drug addicts.

Going to a club however, where everything is clean, the price is set and the prostitutes are safe (and not forced to have sex) is another thing (yes, I did it too).

I admit it´s nothing like the real thing, but the most important thing about it IMHO is the fact that you know you can always go to it if you want to!

What eases me is the fact that I now KNOW I can go to a prostitute when I want to (not that I do that regularly at all).

With pheromones it is quite the same thing: I know I can get laid when I go to a dance club and I use them. Most likely not with the girl I want, but the most important thing is the idea that I can get laid.

Well, just my €0,02

[Gerund]

Watcher, your follow-up post may be worse than the original. You make the mistake of stating your opinions as facts, because of the way things *seem* to you. You apparently believe that any conclusion you reach is the right conclusion, and you don\'t even appear to recognize the POSSIBILITY that there are things of which you are unaware, or have failed to consider.

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Really? I doubt it. Who are these men? Do you know these men? As I and others have already mentioned, rape isn\'t about sexual desire. You need to accept that.

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I doubt that the Catholic Church attracts men for that reason. Get real. You don\'t have to be Priest to be a pedophile. It takes a lot of work to be a Priest. There are much easier occupations to be in if you want access to kids. The ideal job for a pedophile would probably be more on the order of a little leage baseball coach -- a lot less dedication and no vow of poverty required.

It *seems* (hint, hint) to me, and I recognize that this is only my *opinion* (hint, hint), that the Church\'s insistence on celibacy for Priests is the biggest factor leading to sexual problems among their clergy. But I\'m willing to have someone more knowledgeable enlighten me further (hint, hint). By the way, I am not now, nor have I ever been Catholic.

One last thing. I believe it\'s also well-established that the majority of pedophiles were themselves sexually abused as children. It\'s not a freedom-of-choice, sexual-desire thing for most, from what I understand. But I may be wrong (hint, hint).

[Gerund]

xvs, please key in at least your age and gender in your profile, unless you are in a Witness Protection Program. Then you\'re automatically excused, of course /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Gerund, can I ask you a question while Watcher\'s composing himself to give you a well-thought out answer -- I understand that rape is about control rather than desire -- what do you feel about date rape? I had an instance when I was a young girl of a guy I flirted with (way too much, I realize now) at a bar asking to drive me home, I agreed and let my girlfriend go home by herself, and once in the car, the electric locks went down and I was toast, no matter how much I said no. I broke all my fingernails clawing at the doors trying to get out. He was very turned on and had had a good bit to drink by the time we left the bar and I should have realized, I guess, what was going to happen, or what he expected was going to happen, but I hadn\'t a clue. In a case like that, would you say it was testosterone in overdrive, or still an example of a control issue?

[CptKipling]

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She won\'t take much more, Captain!.

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Quite possibly Gerund, quite possibly.

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[Gerund]

My first thoughts after reading your post are telling me that date rape is predominantly a control issue. Although a horny and *drunk* young male who has been hard most of the night could get carried away and do things he wouldn\'t normally do -- out of pure sexual desire -- I don\'t think that truly happens very often.

You said in your post that the guy locked the doors electronically to keep you in the car. Sounds to me like a control thing. Sounds to me like he planned ahead of time for such a situation. Cold, calculating, premeditated -- controlling.

I don\'t think it was a spontaneous, lust-boiling-over testosterone-drive my cock-is-going-to-explode gotta-have-it action. I think he was a low-life weasel who schemed to create a situation where he could eliminate your options -- where he could be in control.

Having said that, I\'d be interested to hear what others have to think!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. hehe /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well, it probably did me a favor - I\'ve stayed completely out of bars the rest of my life unless escorted by a male I know and trust.

I don\'t know why it never hit me that it was premeditated, but now you talk about it, it makes sense.

Do you think there exists in the male psyche (which Watcher seems to be hinting at if I am understanding him) the idea that \"she \'teased\' me, she deserves it.\" Because that\'s what I\'ve been buying into all this time.

[Whitehall]

Rape is just one more way for DNA to replicate itself. It is a tactic that is part of our genetic makeup because it works. It\'s estimated that one doesn\'t have to go very many generations back to find a genetic contribution from rape. I\'m not justifying it morally, just giving the facts. A lot of rape is associated with war - to the victors belong the spoils - and is important in the long-term mixing and blending of genetic materials across geographic and ethnic boundaries.

Curiously, women respond with increased fertility when raped. Their chances of getting pregnant from rape are significantly higher when raped then normal. The theory is that a man with the audacity and cunning to break through all the barriers to rape a fertile woman is a good bet to have some especially potent genes and that the raped woman senses that and responds with ovulation. The fruits of victory, if you would.

\"Date Rape\" has some strange features too. Women will often test a male\'s resolve by putting up resistance even though they want him to prevail. \"Her lips said no, no, no but her body said YES\" is an ancient truth. One study claimed that couples with a history of date rape were MORE likely to be together after a year than average.

[Bruce]

Whitehall,
Dude... I think we should put you in protective custody or something. Your going to get blood all over my nice clean forum floor.
Bruce

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Date Rape\" has some strange features too. Women will often test a male\'s resolve by putting up resistance even though they want him to prevail. \"Her lips said no, no, no but her body said YES\" is an ancient truth. One study claimed that couples with a history of date rape were MORE likely to be together after a year than average.

MAN, I find that hard to believe.

[Gerund]

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Do you think there exists in the male psyche (which Watcher seems to be hinting at if I am understanding him) the idea that \"she \'teased\' me, she deserves it.\"
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No, I think it\'s a rationalization used by weasels~

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Bruce,

Is this not absolute proof of my promise I\'d be good? /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

(It\'s killing me....)

[Whitehall]

I know I\'m getting redundant here, but the book to read is \"Sperm Wars - the Science of Sex.\" I\'ve seen supporting work elsewhere so while the author of SWs is on the edge of scientific understanding, he\'s not out to lunch.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=53BFSES00V&amp;isbn=0788160044 (\"http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=53BFSES00V&amp;isbn=0788160044\")

Again, I\'m offering a moral endorsement of neither stranger rape nor date rape - I\'ve partaken in neither. These are controversial concepts but so was evolution when Darwin first proposed it and it remains so to this day in certain parts.

[Bruce]

Yes, you have passed with flying colors.
Whitehall and I put that little test together for you.
... just kidding.
Bruce

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I don\'t have a problem with the idea of rape being a way to disseminate genes, etc. - I think of this in relation to wars, though, where it\'s kind of traditional, burn your village, rape your women, salt your fields...

If I were to object to anything it would be to the idea that a woman\'s \"no\" means \"yes, work harder for it.\" Certainly not if she\'s crying, screaming, clawing. I don\'t think it\'s a good idea ever to assume that no means yes.

[xxxPantero]

hmm... wow touchy subject.

while reviewing an old videotape, i noticed that my girlfriend would sometimes weakly push my hips away
when asked about it, she replied that she wanted to feel like she was \"taken\"
also, in spanish \"cojame\" which means \"take me\" also means \"f*ck me\"
so, some women want to be taken.

yet as far as a girl SAYING no, even if her body is responding, it still means no. But it might depend on how they say it, i\'m guessing. weakly pushing or saying no could most likely be an invite to continue (using my gf as an example), but clawing your f*cking way out of a car, and yelling no is a definite no, and i would break even my future son\'s arms if he did that and i saw it. damn, i say it\'s touchy, but i get riled up, too... ok deep breath.

and even if the girls body is responding, she will remember she said NO, and you didn\'t respect her and her body, and now has the option of taking your butt to court
it\'s like when you know you should wear a condom, but your body doesn\'t want to. after the act, you\'ll be scared and worried for months!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

See, this is the thing -- you are communicating with your girlfriend and she with you. It\'s fun to play those kinds of games where you understand that she\'s play fighting and really wants something other than what she\'s saying. But these activities have to come by mutual agreement. Play rape is fun IF you both agree that\'s what you want. Right?

[xxxPantero]

FTR: good point!!!
although we played the games before we communicated about it.
communicating about that only gave me insight about what she likes: she likes to feel taken, violated - hence why her favorite pos. is doggy style, hard! i have a small problem with that though. when we \"play hump\" she gets off on me doing her doggy style, hard, but in real life, my penis is a little too big to do it that hard, and if i do that i will hit her cervix. any advice on any angles or something i could use?

i analyze things too much i think. oh well, that\'s why i love psychology!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

With doggy style, you can stand still and let her move against you. That way she can have it as hard as she wants -- if she\'s willing to do the work! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Her internal sensitivity may vary according to where she is in her cycle - sometimes it might feel good if you\'re banging against her cervix, once she gets used to the feeling - other times, not at all. Let her tell you whether harder or deeper is good and when.

There is one more thing that I know of, which is that with practice (or maybe she could do it without practice, come to think of it, but it took me awhile to learn) she can use her vaginal muscles to control the depth of your penetration; in other words, she can make herself very tight at the point inside her where she doesn\'t want you to go any further in.

How long have you two been together sexually?

[Watcher]

We need to go back 60 years even, rape has been common throughout history. Think about it as a DNA ancestory in our past, well over the past 2000 years women were regarded as 2nd class look at afganistan etc etc. In less technologically advanced societies etc rape is common men see they take they rape.

The old bang her over the head with a club and take her back to the cave and have youre way, im not advocating rape, sure we have a civilised society but it may take another 100 years for the natural genetic urges to be purged from the human gene pool in western societies.

The female submission issue comes to the fore. I think that the stats are that 1 in 3 women has been raped in the technical sense that she didnt want sex said no but the male went all the way anyway. Thats about 35%. Think about all the child sex abuse. 45% of preists have \"apparently\" been proven to be leaned towards homosexuality whilst 70% of men are capable at some point to be tempted to a gay experience.

I admit my personal view on rape is that it is wrong and would never be pushed that far myself, yes i have been to a brothel once about 2 years ago (more as a try it out sort of thing just to see what it was like - it was very dull sex and a waste of money - i can get and have gotten better with pheromones)

One of the reasons i use pheromones is to get laid followed closely by the influence. Ok with regards to earlier comments i was pissed off by someone who had attacked me and it came out in a confused post. But within the family history sex abuse by the church has occoured so thats why im sceptical of the church. The one thing is all the secrecy and practices and attitudes which lead to a very closed off public inaccessable and cannot be screntisied.

And to be honest it keeps people dull and convicted to a single belief system. It gives people hope but controls their thoughts and actions to a very narrow field. Also raising children from day 1 basically brainwashing them like a cult to follow the christian way is wrong.

[xxxPantero]

before i go on... i hope no one minds the sex talk, but hey, it\'s an aspect of pheromones!

FTR: okay. but she knows how hard she wants it, and it\'s very hard (it\'s a mental thing) she loves it when i grab her waist tight and it\'s like i\'m dominating her. maybe that\'s why i figured she would love -none during sex. but she might react and want me to do it too hard.
but i\'ll try the standing still thing. as far as banging against her cervix, she\'s only liked it once, and that\'s when we had make up sex 10 minutes after a fight. i\'ve never been able to go that deep, that hard, until she was that aggressive. maybe PCC will really open her up.

so far TE isn\'t working, although SOE is getting chatty responses. i am going to see if TE enhances this weekend, if it\'s just the normal good times we get, and nothing noticable, i\'ll have to try PAN plus PCC. PPA, plus NPA, plus PCC. I\'ll name it SATYR if it works. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif did anyone get my post about pan as being a fitting name? anyway...

thx for the help. and yes, we do kegels when we\'re in the act, and it feels damn good. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

changed PPC to PCC - i mean the one with the copulins

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Yeah, see, I think the banging against her cervix has to be when she\'s extremely aroused. Which it sounds like you\'re going to make sure of, teasing her all day.

Hope you have fun.

btw, what cranberry pills are you talking about?

[xxxPantero]

cranberry pills - to avoid UTI (urinary tract infections, often called \"honeymooner\'s disease\")

she used to get them all the time, since we did it 3 times a day, every day for a few months. then we found cranberry pills, which help prevent it.
i\'ll explain how.
cranberry coats the lining of your bladder, so that bacteria doesnt\' stick to the organ, and flows out freely with the pee, so 60% less chance of UTI, even more if you pee right after.

btw. that\'s another issue, usually my GF has to pee during sex (even when she peed before) and this is even when i\'m NOT gliding against her g-spot. sometimes it\'s frustrating for both of us, since we both have to stop, let her pee, and then get back to it when she\'s properly wet and turned on again.

do you have any advice on this?

oh yeah, do you also think the PCC will help open her up so she can take it a little harder?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I think extended foreplay will let her open up so she can take it harder - and if you haven\'t done this, you\'ll really be surprised how hot a woman can get if you let her rev completely up and even \"OD\" her on foreplay. 20 minutes (what the books say) is barely a start. You\'re going to make a day of it, so you\'ll have plenty of time. The PCC might help, couldn\'t hurt.

I don\'t know about the pee issue. Except maybe she should limit fluids before she sees you. But it\'s been said that some women enjoy penetration even more if they have to pee a little.

If she\'s prone to UTI\'s, just live with the getting up to pee, you know that helps her stay UTI free.

I feel like you\'re going back and forth about the ramming issue. If she wants to be rammed, ram her. You\'re afraid you\'ll hurt her, or she\'s afraid you\'ll hurt her, or what?

[xxxPantero]

she wants me to ram her, i want to ram her
but...
her pu$$y doesn\'t want me to ram her, becasue it HAS hurt before (but i think it was due to lack of foreplay, although she was turned on)! anyway, i think if I OD on foreplay it\'ll be alright.

\"I feel like you\'re going back and forth about the ramming issue\" Freudian slip?

Foreplay? Afterplay? Wait a minute... isn\'t it ALL play? /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I caught that afterwards and decided to leave it. I guess it was a Freudian slip.

Sounds like you know what you\'re doing.

Just one thing - I didn\'t mean Kegels. I meant she can make her pussy the size and shape she wants it to be and hold it like that - like, she can close up the deep end if she doesn\'t want you in that far, and she can stay shaped real tight if she wants to, and that will keep you from going in too deep.

But I really think it\'s a matter of being completely ready.

Sounds like you know what you\'re doing. You go, boy! Best of luck to you.

[Gerund]

When FTR mentioned that she didn\'t mean Kegels, it occurred to me that Kegel exercises may help considerably toward reducing her need to pee so often -- and with the side benefit of more powerful orgasms. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

As for banging the cervix: in my experience, the optimum time for a female to take the full length of a too-large-for-her penis that will contact her cervix is about 5 seconds before she starts cumming. Then take her as hard and deep as you want. The contact will push her over the edge into orgasm, and make her cum so hard her head will cave in. And she\'ll even thank you later for making her \"a little bit sore in there.\" hehe /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

That\'s good, Gerund, I didn\'t think of that re Kegels for a girl her age, but I bet you\'re right.

Re 5 seconds before she\'s about to cum - this is what I\'m saying -- get her in a very high arousal state until she\'s right on the edge like that and then KEEP her there, don\'t let her cum. Keep her on the edge. When she\'s in that high a state of arousal, she\'s not going to feel it as pain when you bang into her cervix, and she\'ll be sore the next day but she\'ll be smiling about it.

[Gerund]

Yeah, baby!! hehe

[xxxPantero]

well, she does a lot of kegels (has been doing them since 13), and gets really powerful orgasms...

i noticed the way she likes it (and many women, too), which is basically to leave my penis inside of her, and f*ck her clit with my pelvic bone instead of f*cking her pu$$y with my penis. that means it doesn\'t come out very far, and i have to be at an upward angle so my penis isn\'t rubbing her cervix. but... maybe when she starts to orgasm, i\'ll shift the angle downwards, penetrating her deeply - the only problem with that is that I absolutely do NOT want to change motions while she\'s orgasming, that MIGHT stop her orgasm dead in its tracks (unlike guys, who could care less about anything once he\'s cumming)

i don\'t want to let her orgasm until the end of the day (or maybe i\'ll let her orgasm lightly a few times throughout)

note: i\'m not a super stud that knows how to make everyone orgasm. i just noticed how she got off when she was f*cking me (yay, i\'m the first one she ever got off with, although it took a whole lot of experimenting, not that i\'m complaining) and now i replicate those motions - instead of sliding out 3/4ths of the way out and then 3/4ths of the way back in, i just grind her clit with my pelvic bone, in whatever position, or i try to enter at an angle, or sometimes with shallow thrusts since the most sensitive part of the pussy is in the first 1/3rd..

anyway i\'ve got an idea... the only way that i think i can enter her all the way in the throes of an orgasm without losing stumulation is if that stimulation comes from a \"inevitable penis\" technique or whatever you want to call it (i just made that name up) that is teasing her, but builiding up (entering 1/2 inch, for a few minutes, then 1 inch, then 1.5, then 2, and so on. i\'ve only got 6.5 inches so i have to take it VERY slow to get the full benefit of our time. don\'t want to go all the way in within 5 minutes.)

also, FTR (and others):
my gf\'s clit is a little too sensitive to lick directly during cunnilingus, i\'ve tried other methods, but they don\'t seem to really get her off, sadly (except when i\'m inverted, and i loop my tongue) but i\'d like to know any other methods you guys or FTR (or any other female who wants to reply) that is good for a girl with a sensitive clit?

oh and does any female (or gay male) know any methods for blowing an uncircumcised guy? i\'d like to give my gf some tips, because she loves to blow me, but she never is able to finish the job (since i\'m the first guy who\'s penis has been in her mouth for more than 3 seconds) and so she is a bit inexperienced (although i would hate it if she was an expert at anything sexual without me - yup i\'m jealous/possessive - so what, i\'m human dammit, i\'m allowed to have those feelings - screw apollo, i\'m dionysian! - end of rant)

anyway guys, i hope you all don\'t mind the sex talk and the graphic details...

i mean, we\'re all helping each other increase the quantity of sex, i figure it would be awesome if we could increase the quality! anyway, feel free to reply, even if you\'re a virgin and read something in a book, but never tried it. that\'s how i learned most of my techniques!

(btw i have 3 gigs worth of sex and kissing tips on my pc - some from official *paid* websites i used to be a member of, for whoever wants it. as soon as my CD burner is working, send me either a blank CD or two, or $1.50 for a CD -or $3 for 2-, and i\'ll make you a copy and mail it to you - the information is too big to set up a website, unless someone wants to make a website for it once they get the info?)

oh by the way, FTR... my gf and i have been together 11 months, but we\'ve been sexual for 10 months (unless you count dry humping, oral sex, mutual masturbation, and handjobs - in that case, we\'ve been sexual for 10months and 29 days /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif )

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Pantero, you\'re awesome, you\'re a major dude. So good on you to notice how she gets off and what she likes to such an extent. I am like her about changing rhythm - it\'s like, you start to make noises because what he\'s doing feels so good exactly like he\'s doing it, it\'s taking you over the edge, and as soon as he hears you moan, he changes stroke and you\'re completely thrown off and have to start all over again, it can be really frustrating...I\'ll send you a couple of links tomorrow re oral for her -- sounds like you two are very open with one another, though - does it not work for you to encourage her to do whatever it is you are wanting? Is it easy for you to orgasm from oral with other women?I don\'t understand the question about her clit. Try everything -- all your ideas sound good.

[xxxPantero]

well sometimes i like what she\'s doing, and she keeps doing it, but that\'s not enough for me to climax (although that\'s not the whole point, but we\'d both like it better if i did) and i have never had oral from another person before, so i don\'t know what others might do to get me off, so that\'s why i\'m asking all the wonderful \"fellatrixes\" out there to share some tips which i could share with my gf. so as far as it seems, it\'s not easy for me to orgasm easily during oral.

it could have been related to my penis which i used to masturbate a little too hard, but that\'s why i\'m doing sensitivity training now - jerking off with the lightest of touches, and a lot of teasing, which results in the hardest orgasms, and a sore penis head, and increasing sensitiviy enough where i\'m able to enjoy sex with a condom - guys you should try that instead of masturbating like a bullet train - you will thank me over and over for it (or you might just think it\'s because it\'s your own damn self who\'s so good - either way, you\'ll enjoy it)

and the question about her clit: it\'s too sensitive to put my tongue directly on during oral sex. i was wondering what other techniques would feel good besides tongue on clit. some women LOVE clit action, some don\'t. my gf is one of those who don\'t. so i was wondering if you knew any oral tips that had INDIRECT clit stimulation

BY THE WAY: For the records, I am 19 years old, and my girlfriend is 20 (11 months older than me). So if anyone thinks that someone who replies is doing something immoral or illegal... it\'s not. We are a loving couple, we have talked about the future, we are responsible with birth control, and we are also of LEGAL age. There is nothing wrong with talking about such things.

As for those who are NOT over 18, talking about sex openly will encourage a comfortable feeling with the subject. When people are more comfortable with it, they tend to discuss it more. And the discussion of birth control is one of those discussions. It may be illegal in most states to have sexual intercourse if you are under 18, but the reality is, that most teenagers ARE doing it. Wouldn\'t you rather have them talking about it openly and responsibly, than to be ignorant and have a baby and be forced to live a miserable life, not to mention live off the taxpayers money? I think you would. Tax money should go to the nation, while free advice can save us tax money.

Also... What was that 1st amendment again? /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Generally it works to hold the foreskin back and concentrate on the head relentlessly. That\'s my experience, anyway. I dunno re the clit thing. Nobody has to tell you to experiment (!) but if you\'ve watched her masterbate, notice what she\'s doing with her clit, and mimic that. She probably favors one side or another of it rather than straight on the head.

[Watcher]

Im watching it im watching it thanks for the advice guys it helps not just you two it helps others as well.

[xxxPantero]

i have watched her masturbate, which i did watch carefully and learn from. as a result, i can bring her off with my hand, though it takes a while /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

but there\'s no way my tongue and lips can do what her hands do! but i\'ll keep that in mind as a general reference. if only i could watch her lick herself. plus the point is to offer my tongue as a DIFFERENT way of bringing her to orgasmic pleasure. why would you want the same sensations with different parts? that\'s the whole fun in exploring different parts!

oh [censored], that gives me an idea! i wanted to surprise her with oral skills, but wouldn\'t it be cool if i put my hand up by her mouth, and mimick her pussy with my hand. and then i tell her to do to my hand what she wants me to do to her pussy!!! so in essence, she WILL be licking herself.

omg that could also work for blowjobs!!! i\'ll suck her finger the way i want my penis sucked! wait a minute, then in essence i\'ll be giving myself a blowjob... oh well, we all know if could i wouldn\'t leave the house /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

anyway, keep other ideas pouring in guys and gals, and mainly FTR - come on guys, doesn\'t anyone have the balls to speak on this subject? or does this WOMAN have more balls than you guys (besides gerund and watcher)!

[Watcher]

Hey thats a great idea show her the way you want to be sucked off, do it to her finger. Hey my balls are big lol and i got what it takes, of course the horny goatweed+tribulus plus a big bulked up muscular body helps. Now add pheromones and im always rearing to go and its easier to relax her (whomever my sex partner is for the night) with SOE etc or DD# 1. Hey i take all the advice from here and apply it in real life, a few girls ive been with ive asked (they know about pheros but not couplins) to apply the couplins around thier stomach area and i go even longer and harder he he.

And why on certain days im in this forum all the time, well i do a lot of online sharetrading, lets just say ive made a lot of money in the last two years and whilst not looking for a good profitable buy or doing research (Mind mapping and acclerated learning have helped) and also not out hunting womens for sex lol. Im able to jump on here and help out seeing as though pheros have become a bit of an addiction to me (very helpful though) and my self confidence is 100% complete now i know pheros are responsible for sexual attraction. FTR is great and also you guys and girls have good advice.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

!! Those are really good ideas re oral. As far as your using your tongue to mimic what she does with her fingers being the same thing -- trust me, it\'s not. Tongue feels completely different from fingers, plus there\'s the whole intimacy factor of oral. If she\'s vocal, maybe you could just set out to explore - lick everything everywhere using different kinds of strokes and see what makes her react. If nothing else, it would at least be fun.

Good, Pantero, you\'re creative, that\'s so cool.

[xxxPantero]

i would like to lick everywhere, but the only drawback is the smell of dried saliva...

lick your wrist and then smell it after it dries... not very nice smelling, is it. on genitals it might be fine, but i don\'t want it anywhere near her range of smell.

but yeah. if i have to explore, then give me a hat, and call me Marco Polo, dammit! or call me Ponce DeLeon - I will find that \"fountain of youth\"!!! well, i\'ll find a fountain of something, that\'s for sure....

[CptKipling]

RE the clit thing, try stimulating her more through the inner \"lips\", and try to \"fold in\" her clit between the lips and apply light pressure and motion. Also, finger her while you\'re doing this. Explore her whole pu$$y with your mouth, then go back to her clit as described above. Get a good rhythm going, be done in no time! Also, when she comes, she will get \"after shock\" that, if you get the proper rhythm going, will lead to multiple orgasms. My best experience of this was when I kept it going for what seemed like ages (more like 10 mins), and she had like 50!

[Bernard]

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Right, here\'s a question! Do we produce more pheromones ourselves if we cease masturbating?
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&lt;br&gt;Here\'s an idea i had. If we stop masturbating we are no longer providing the sexual release that our body needs. To maintain the level of release the body may try and get more sex. If our body wants sex, then that leads to physiological mechanisms stepping up a gear in order to get it. A very important example of one of those mechanisms is that of pheromones!
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;It has been mentioned before that semen contains pheromones. If the semen is not being constantly released, then our body would not require to continually replenish the supply, perhaps leaving more pheromone producing thingys (scientific term) for the rest of the body to use.
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;Anyone have any ideas about this? JVK, have you collected the T-shirts of people who masturbate and people who abstain?
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;Ahhh the sweet smell of science.

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soory to bring up this topic again . but i have to know if lots of masturbation cause loss of personal pheromone . if it is true , is it mean that we should reduce the number of times we masturbate? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[CptKipling]

You should not masterbate more than once a day, its a drain on the bodies resources. That will keep your pheros high. But i think they do get produced in greater volumes when you dont masterbate for a while, either that or im just so horny that i am much more forward with women /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[MOBLEYC57]

Now I understand why I don\'t have any natural mones! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[travis]

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Now I understand why I don\'t have any natural mones!



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We know that testosterone has something to do with pheromone.

Testosterone decreases during the day and increases when you sleep at night, while you are sleeping the heat from your body brings out your scentless, natural, 100 percent, pure, pheromone to your skin and clothes. Many of us showers during the day, we are not aware we are washing out our natural pheromone by doing that. I suggest that take a shower before going to bed in that way your natural pheromone stays with you all day.

Now take note, when you sweat a lot during the day your sweat washes away your pheromone. Try doing what I tell you and you will see results. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[MOBLEYC57]

Oh!!! I thought it was because I\'ve been strokinit!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Strokinit to the east!
Strokinit to the west!
Strokin night and day!
Oh what a mess!
Strokinit!!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CptKipling]

lol

[travis]

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Oh!!! I thought it was because I\'ve been strokinit!!!
Strokinit to the east!
Strokinit to the west!
Strokin night and day!
Oh what a mess!
Strokinit!!



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Be happy now, you can stroke all day, every hour if you want too but just refrain stroking during sleep because testosterone is building up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[MOBLEYC57]

Alright!! Will someone get this right! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif Because I masturbated daily, sometimes three times a day, when I found out there was magic in me weenie...did I jack off all me mones? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif If masturbation causes one to lose mones, then mine was all gone before I was 20! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Cloud9]

MASTURBATION DECREASES TESTOSTERONE

[monesrule]

no it doesn\'t -- it makes your knuckles hairy

[Elana]

It makes you blind

[MOBLEYC57]

Well....

I\'m still horny as hell...my noodle is up in the early a.m. doing pushups before my eyes even open,
I don\'t have hairy knuckles,
Annnnnnnnd, I can seeeeeeeee!

Next! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cloud9]

I was being serious about masturbation lowering your testosterone. You can do a search and learn about it.

[EXIT63]

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It makes you blind

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Can\'t I just do it til I need glasses?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Bernard]

does anyone know if we masturbate too much and causes testo to decrease ,will we still gets enough sexual hits with the help from pheromone product even if our personal phero has reduced

why i want to ask this is because i used to experience a few sexual hits using jb#1.but then when i used jb#1 recently, i couldnt get a single hits. maybe it because i have ejaculated all my sperms. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[TBiRD]

The biggest problem with masturbation/over-masturbation is that it drains the brain of important bio energy. Side effects you might experience are indeed blurry vision ,beeeeps in your ears, tilted vision , back aches , a feeling of weekness and so on...oh well its been discussed already..just google for overmasturbation - its not healthy at all.

+ Even if you (over)masturbate , this will not have any effect on topically applied pheros.

+ If u feel the urge to play with your salami every now and then...why not put the time to use and invest it into P-enlargement.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[tallmacky]

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The biggest problem with masturbation/over-masturbation is that it drains the brain of important bio energy. Side effects you might experience are indeed blurry vision ,beeeeps in your ears, tilted vision , back aches , a feeling of weekness and so on...oh well its been discussed already..just google for overmasturbation - its not healthy at all.

+ Even if you (over)masturbate , this will not have any effect on topically applied pheros.

+ If u feel the urge to play with your salami every now and then...why not put the time to use and invest it into P-enlargement.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Those who over masturbate do this for a reason related to maintaining good physcical health. I have been known to go 2 times a day but can hold out for awhile, all I can say is that is my penis enlargement trick.

I did some math and I figure I have masturbated 1,900 in my whole life so far.

[TBiRD]

rofl..don\'t even know what to reply 2 that..I\'m amused ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Maybe u want to give us insights on your

MASTURBATION to SEX ratio....???

[EXIT63]

365x1x20=7300

just an average

[furburger]

I would have to agree with the use it or lose it theory. if you stay sexually active your body makes more of the things that were released. Plus if you are sexually aroused more often you would give off that particular pheremone scent.

[CptKipling]

If you abstain from masterbation then logic tells us that our phero output will increase to attract more women. Do a search.

[marv14yag]

No, because having sex makes you want to have sex.

Just like eating makes you want to eat.

It WILL INCREASE, at first, but hte body will than reduce how much it makes.

It\'s like exercise. Of course it LOWERS at first, but then it goes up higher than it was before.

Bart

[CptKipling]

You believe what you want to believe and i will believe what i know to be true. When i dont masterbate for a day or more a get very horny----&gt;more testosterone----&gt;more pheros (or more active approaching from me...).

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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You believe what you want to believe and i will believe what i know to be true. When i dont masterbate for a day or more a get very horny----&gt;more testosterone----&gt;more pheros (or more active approaching from me...).

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More active approaching from you, which is likely to get you more real sex, as opposed to sitting around jacking off several times a day. This is one thing I agree with Gunwitch about.

[marv14yag]

For a DAY OR MORE!

lol

IT INCREASES!!!

DUHH!!

I said it DOES!

But after about 2 weeks production goes back down.

Simple as that.

lol

It INCREASES yes.

but after a coulpe weeks the body stops making as much.

If your\'e used to \"expelling\" it constatnly, the body is going to make more and more, and when you don\'t jack off it\'s goign to keep making more, but when it RELEAIZES that you AREN\'T GOIGN TO USE IT than it slows down production.

That\'s just why they say, use it or lose it.

That\'s one of the reasons that when you\'re 50 and you\'re damn impotent, can\'t get it up, that\'s why. Use it or lose it.

Of course it will increase for a WHILE, lol.

Just like, I do pushups every day, 100..

Occassionally I skip a day or so.

When I skip that day, I have MUCH MORE TESTEREONE, and energy too.

HOWEVER, you\'re going to tell me that if I DIDN\'T EVER WORK OUT it would STAY THAT HIGH?!!?

No, the body will realize it doesn\'t need to keep testeroene/growth hormone/metabolism elevated because it has no etimulin anymore.

Damn.

If I don\'t jack off I get more testeroen too. But after about a week, two weeks, production slows down and your testerone goes back down.

Bart

[CptKipling]

Pull your head out of your ass i never said it wouldnt decrease again after time.

[marv14yag]

If we both agree on the same thing, what are we arguing about?

lol

Ohh... Arguing just for teh sake of arguing, lol.

Bart

[marvin]

I just

stopped doing it period.

Bart

[Holmes]

Working

out or masturbating?


Holmes

[DrSmellThis]

They\'re not one and the same?

[Holmes]

Maybe in

the service.


Holmes